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Yup and the original lifter lasted the longest (110k). However the second set were MOPAR replacement with only lasted 18K. Going with a complete kit from Crower this time. Hoping the high volume oil pump I'm installing this time will do the trick.

With that high of mileage, you can't seriously expect Chrysler to do something. It's well out of warranty, and who knows what had been done to it. Was the block properly cleaned before the new lifters were installed? There's no way to prove anything, so Chrysler will tell you to get lost.

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I agree completely. I've heard about the dropped valve seats in the 5.7 Hemi. I've heard rumors it's caused by overheating, you name it. My Magnum overheated the day I drove it home. I drove it about two hours, I think it topped out at about 240. I have since put almost 30k on it, no issues. I was seriously concerned at first, hearing so the horror stories, but then decided to enjoy my car. If it were to break, I'd deal with it then. I hate how everyone gets so paranoid about something with a very small chance of occuring, and then tries to blame the failure of a 100k+ mile engine on the manufacturer.

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My logic for Chrsler being held liable for faulty engineering in the first place which GUARANTEES a parts failure at some time. Think of like when Ford was sued for the spark plugs breaking in the 05-09 5.4l REGARDLESS of the mileage. Ford redesigned the plugs to prevent it from happening and refunded millions upon millions to customers who paid to have the broken plugs removed and/or engine repairs associated with the broken plugs!

The proof is from the multiple failures I've had on the intake valve on the #5 cyl along with MILLIONS of others!!! There's the proof. When the engine was received by me it was freshly built and still wrapped in plastic and all lifted bores were cleaned out by me before the lifters and heads were installed. Highly unlikely that 3 lifter failures in the same location on the engine along with the hundreds I've personally seen and the millions of others that have had the same failure has anything to do with contamination unless all engines were contaminated from the factory. In which case it goes back on Chrysler for contamination the engines upon the initial build of the engines.

Millions... That's quite the jump. That implies that every single engine Chrysler built has had a failure... Which is blatantly false.

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Actually the Gen 3 hemis have production numbers of approx 3.9 million to date. So just going off the percentages of lifter failures I have personally seen in the last 10 years of working in a Chrysler/JEEP service dept the "millions" statement is probably a bit long. However, how many 5.4L Ford engines were damaged by spark plugs CAUSED BY CUSTOMER NEGLECT (ie leaving the plugs in for too long)? Answer: a very small percentage. None the less Ford made it right because enough people made some noise. That's the whole point I'm trying to make here.

... But we aren't talking about Ford here. Last I saw this thread was intended to be about lifter failures in the Hemi. It's a completely different animal. You're comparing apples to oranges. And every post I see from you loses your credibility more and more...

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I'm well aware as mine was one of them and have probably with a whole 3 or 4 others out of the thousands of them that I've dealt with over the years! Do the percentages on that and you'll see the lifters are a far more prevalent issue causing far more damage! Again, this is a design flaw that Chrysler needs to address as it is STILL happening because the basic architecture of the engine nor the oiling system has been addressed!

Will what do you expect Chrysler to do? Replace all the engines? Good luck with that! Again, with the millions of engines out there, it's a small probability it will occur. Getting a lawyer isn't going to do a damn thing. If it's as prevalent as you say, it would cost billions. It's not a safety issue, so there's not really any chance of a recall. It's not emissions related, so I really don't think anything will come of it.

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Not replace the engines but redesign the oiling system so either the lifters get oiled first or install oil squirters in each lifter bore providing more oil to the lifters for the engines that have had verified failures. Then apply this redesign to the most recent engines coming out of the factory. I could almost guarantee one of these would solve the issue. Most recalls/extensions of warranties are for a very small number of vehicles, excluding Takata air bags, and most of those recalls are BULL**** anyway!!!

Again, look at the the 3.6L Pentastar . The engine had a very small percentage of drivers side cyl head failures. So what did Chrysler do? The extended the warranty and redesigned the head to prevent the issue from coming back. They didn't replace every cyl head in every 3.6L. Only the ones that had the failure.

As far as emissions goes, WHO CARES ABOUT EMISSIONS?!?! I could care less about that crap! I'm more worried about all the people I see on a daily basis, who I'm being endangered by, with metal to metal brakes, steering and suspensions that are shot to ****, puking oil, ps fluid, brake fluid and coolant all over the place and when brought to the customers attention they tell me, "I have a mechanic that takes care of my vehicle and is cheaper than you guys!" Both of which are BS most 9 times out of 10!!!

Lastly, another one to look at, as far as a BS extension of warranty, is the Grand Cherokees that have the leather dashboard that's pealing back. They extended the warranty on THAT for 10 years! That's a $2500.00 job at warranty rates. Speaking of which, I had a customer 2 weeks ago who came in because their idiot "private mechanic" saved them so much money by going to him and didn't solve a damn thing yet charged them $1400.00 for a bunch of crap that didn't need to be done and wasted a week of their time. Then my tech gets it and has it squared away in on one day for about $400.00. The sad thing is his dash was pealing back and I was hoping to get it covered for them but because they wasted a week at their "private mechanic" the extension of warranty had expired 3 days prior to bringing it to me. Yea that sounds like it was a real bargain, huh???

But only redesigning the oil system wouldn't fix your problem, only issues in new vehicles. Again, giving an extremely warranty, with the amount of failures you claim, would put them out of business (not that I believe the problem is as widespread as you claim). Do you seriously expect them to warranty a 100k+ mile engine that they can't verify the maintenance on? Your example of Ford spark plugs wasn't so much a maintenance issue as it was a brilliant design from the beginning. Can you 100% prove all the failed engines were maintained? There's no way to prove its a design flaw. FCA will tell you to pound sand.

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How do you figure resigning the oiling system (reverse the oil pump so flow goes to the heads/lifters first and/or adding oil squirters to the lifter bores) wouldn't solve the issue caused by LACK OF LUBRICATION TO THE LIFTERS??? They wouldn't go out of business if they only took care of the ones that have had lifter failure issues and then update the new engines from the factor. Beside (
if it's as infrequent as you say) it'll only be a handful or so, RIGHT???

As far a warrantying 100K+ engines? YES!!! Again, Chrysler has done that very thing with the 3.6L! Do you know how many of them are out there and how EXPENSIVE that cyl head is?

As far as me or anyone else proving the engine were maintained, I DON'T HAVE TO!!! Chrysler has to prove they weren't maintained correctly! If they can't do so they will lose in court and they know it!!! That's the criteria the manufacturers have adopted these days. I deal with it on a daily basis! For an example I have a HELLCAT Charger in the shop right now that has an exploded supercharger! The owner has an underdrive pully on it and has put an aftermarket pully on the SC! Guess what? We're warrantying it, PER CHRYSLER, even though I can almost for sure tell you the mods caused the failure. I even have proof he's been abusing the vehicle due to the fact it only has 7k miles, the rear tires have been replaced, what's left of the original tires are splattered all over the inner wheel well liners and fenders, the metal to metal front brakes AS WELL AS the videos on the owners youtube channel of him powerbreaking, lighting up the tires and drifting the vehicle and Chrysler is still insisting we warranty the damage!!!

Lastly, on the Ford spark plug issue, the design was a partial problem but mostly due to people waiting until 100K+ to replace the plugs. When the plugs were done around 60K miles they came out without issue. However, enough people made a stink about it and Ford redesigned the plug to prevent it from happening again, even if they were left in for 100K, and reimbursed thousands of people who had the replace cyl heads! Once again, I'm speaking from personal experience in that I've owned an 05 Expy since brand new and have done the spark plugs 3 times around 60k miles and not one has broken! To top it off I worked in a Ford serv dept for almost 8 years and saw first hand devastation caused by broken/seized plugs. It use to be almost $7k to replace both cyl heads on those engines!!!

You keep having fun pretending that Chrysler will do something for you, or that a lawyer will take your case. I'm going to go drive my car and not worry about it breaking!

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5-6 is not comforting as far as I am concerned.

So what are the options to remedy this?

"I'm going to be honest with you...
I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality. Whatever you want to call it, I can't stand it any longer. ITS THE SMELL, IF THERE IS SUCH A THING, I FEEL SATURATED BY IT!"

-Agent Smith

There's really no way to know. It's like the valve seat on the older 5.7s. it's claimed to be caused by overheating, by the mds, by Bigfoot, etc. No one really knows. I've known people who never overheated, charged their oil every 3k miles, and the seat dropped. I've known people who have hammered on theirs, only charged the oil when it got black, etc. No issue. Same with this lifter issue. No one knows the root cause. You can baby it and it could break, you could hammer on it and have it live. The way I see it, you can be paranoid about it, or you can keep your car maintained and enjoy it. Your call. But just because some guy on the internet claims he knows better than the engineers who designed it and thinks he knows how to prevent it doesn't mean anything.

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My engine did overheat. The day I bought it, for a 2 hour drive home. 30k miles ago. Want to try again?

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Give it time. I'm not saying, just like with the lifter failures, it will absolutely happen. However the chances are better it will happen than not since the engine has been overheated at least once. Of course I see the worse of everything in vehicles and EVERYONE claims they treat their vehicles like baby carriages and they're maintained to the highest standard by their "private mechanic"! However, when I see their "properly maintained vehicle" the torque strut bushings are falling out of the vehicle, there's no oil in it, brakes are metal to metal, MIL is on, diff oil has NEVER been changed and is water fouled, etc etc etc!

Which proves my point- no need to worry about something so unlikely to happen. You can blame the failure on whatever you like, NO ONE KNOWS THE CAUSE! We know the seat drops. That's it. It could happen to anyone at anytime, no matter the maintenance history. Which means there's no definite cause, which means stressing about it is pointless.

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I'm not saying park it and never drive it. I just saying to minimize possible damage don't what so many people see do and that's just turn the radio and that noise will go away, put a piece of black tape over that warning light, let the car in front of you stop you, etc! What I am saying is if your car is overheating, DON'T KEEP DRIVING IT! If your brakes are shot, DON'T KEEP DRIVING IT! If every time you hit your brakes you feel the entire front end shift back and forth, DON'T KEEP DRIVING IT!

The way you talk it sounds like you're saying just drive it and when it explodes then fix it! Well, not everyone, wants rediculous repair bills or perpetual car payments! I've LOVED not having a car payment in 10 years which has allowed me to buy other things I want. But that's me.

There's really no way to know. It's like the valve seat on the older 5.7s. it's claimed to be caused by overheating, by the mds, by Bigfoot, etc. No one really knows. I've known people who never overheated, charged their oil every 3k miles, and the seat dropped. I've known people who have hammered on theirs, only charged the oil when it got black, etc. No issue. Same with this lifter issue. No one knows the root cause. You can baby it and it could break, you could hammer on it and have it live. The way I see it, you can be paranoid about it, or you can keep your car maintained and enjoy it. Your call. But just because some guy on the internet claims he knows better than the engineers who designed it and thinks he knows how to prevent it doesn't mean anything.

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Nope, pretty clearly stated in post 68 that you should keep it maintained and drive it. If it's neglected of course it will break. No one is contesting that. But then it will not be covered by the manufacturer, so that's a moot point.

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"But then it will not be covered by the manufacturer." Wanna bet??? Chrysler gives so much **** away unjustly it makes me want to puke!!! Especially when it's obviously abuse!!! You just don't know how to whine and complain correctly.

No, I don't. I take responsibility for my actions, and don't try to blame everything on everyone else. It's called being an adult. Maybe try it sometime?

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YOU SAID, "But then it will not be covered by the manufacturer." as general statement. I was just pointing out you were incorrect due to the fact that in general the public thinks all vehicle repairs should be free just because!

As far as me trying to take responsibility for myself. I work my ass off everyday with a bunch ungrateful idiots who don't know the first thing their talking about! I've haven't been given ANYTHING since I was 15 years old (now 48). I have 5 GREAT kids, a loving/beautiful wife of 26 years who also works her ass off! We run a small business, pay our taxes without fail every year and have gotten nor asked for a handout from anyone however I've given many out to others who were in need. So you can take that one and stuff it!

I'm not the one trying to give advice about whining to get their way. My 2 year old is learning not to whine. I think you missed that boat.

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Here we go again

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