[mikespy]

I was at chargerforums and saw this post by GSM. They say they now are taking orders for gears for the 5.7 and the 6.1. My first question is how come they haven't posted here( or have i missed it) and the second thing GSM is saying is that by adding gears the computer will not be affected. So whats going on. Have we pissed em off they no longer post here????

QUOTE:
"Hey guys, so we have the price for the gears. For both the 5.7 and the 6.1. We're finally close and I want to start a list of anyone / everyone interested. We will be offering 343's and 370's. For now, we're selling the gear sets only. We will eventially have the complete Quaife Diff with these gears, but as for now, gears only.

Gear set, $795

E-mail me all your personal info, (ie phone, e-mail and addy), the info on your car, as well as which gear set you're interested in.

E-mail me with any questions / interests.
[email protected]
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[MagnumFreak]

They are posting over at 300cforums also. Until respected people come online and post that it works with no issues I wouldn't spend a dime. His claim that the car looks at the wheel speed sensors is true, however, the pcm also knows that at x rpm in y gear the car should be going z mph. If it doesn't add up, pcm thinks there is a problem. Look for codes and limp modes.

Hey GSM, send me one fully assembled and I will be happy to test it for you. :wink:

 

[MAGNUM8R]

Good one Andy, Spot ON!!

 

[mikespy]

They are posting over at 300cforums also. Until respected people come online and post that it works with no issues I wouldn't spend a dime. His claim that the car looks at the wheel speed sensors is true, however, the pcm also knows that at x rpm in y gear the car should be going z mph. If it doesn't add up, pcm thinks there is a problem. Look for codes and limp modes.

Hey GSM, send me one fully assembled and I will be happy to test it for you. :wink:

Yeah, i figured there will be probs. For them to post otherwise without any proof is kinda F***** up. Kinda like other things in the past. Buy now and ask questions later. It would be cool though... Maybe they'll put their product in your hands since the gears supposedly work without any problems. They should have nothing to worry about right...... opcorn:

 

[GasGunR]

There was a thread on here from a guy who did this in his SXT... GSM better have a PCM program in their pocket!

Don

 

[mikespy]

There was a thread on here from a guy who did this in his SXT... GSM better have a PCM program in their pocket!

Don

I remember that.. and i also remember how it screwed up his ride. On a positive note though. If they are making them it doesn't matter if they work on the car or not. Magnumfreak needs to get them for Morpheus testing. That way X Y and Z are satisfied and so am I.

 

[PowerWagon896]

I remember that.. and i also remember how it screwed up his ride. On a positive note though. If they are making them it doesn't matter if they work on the car or not. Magnumfreak needs to get them for Morpheus testing. That way X Y and Z are satisfied and so am I.

$800 for a ring & pinion is a rip.

The R&D and setting up production for a new ring & pinion is about $30,000. Divide that by 250 = $120 a set. Richmond Gear says they will market R&P sets for between $200 and $300 a set through their distributor.

Some one has to answer the programming question 1st.

GSM is pushing the wrong ratios too. A stock R/T will run out of gear @ 95 MPH W/3.43 axle gears. An SRT might be able to use them though. The 3.70s are worthless unless you have a FI SRT.

I want 3.23 gears. W/the 1.41 reduction in 3rd gear, that is 4.55 FDR.

A 3 speed automatic W/4.55 FDR in 3rd would be awesome. Then there would be 2 more gears for road racing.

If you want to use 4th in the 1/4 mile you will need 4.10s or 4.56s.

 

[NOLAchargerRT]

$800 for a ring & pinion is a rip.

The R&D and setting up production for a new ring & pinion is about $30,000. Divide that by 250 = $120 a set. Richmond Gear says they will market R&P sets for between $200 and $300 a set through their distributor.

Some one has to answer the programming question 1st.

GSM is pushing the wrong ratios too. A stock R/T will run out of gear @ 95 MPH W/3.43 axle gears. An SRT might be able to use them though. The 3.70s are worthless unless you have a FI SRT.

I want 3.23 gears. W/the 1.41 reduction in 3rd gear, that is 4.55 FDR.

A 3 speed automatic W/4.55 FDR in 3rd would be awesome. Then there would be 2 more gears for road racing.

If you want to use 4th in the 1/4 mile you will need 4.10s or 4.56s.

PowerWagon896, Keep saying it maybe on one of these boards GSM will actually listen to you and explain their reasons for such ridiculously high prices/ratios, because so far I haven't seen them once acknowledge any of your wise input into the situation which I, and anyone else who has paid attention to your research into our gears, is just plain foolish. Hell with all the $$$ GSM has they should know more about the gears then you, not the other way around. I say they show some proof for reason for their choice of ratios or hire you for their R&D.

 

[Jason_B]

These gears will -NOT- work, you cant just slap gears into these cars its been proven, you throw codes and go into limp mode.

We NEED programming before it works.

 

[RobAGD]

BTW - what else does GSM sell ? FI kits for SRT's and 5.7's

I am still intresting in the 3.23 set, for the NA car. I would be tempted to put the 2.83's back in with the new motor, Ill have more than enough torque to move this pig, at that point ill be traction limited.

-R

 

[msdnga]

One thing to keep in mind before you think the programming is not possible:
I changed from a 27.5" tire to a 25.25" tire, and had no problems. I did not re-adjust the Superchips height either. I still run the 25" tire with the 27.5" setting. That moved me from a 2 series to a 3 series gear drive. No problems or issues since then. Food for thought.

 

[PowerWagon896]

One thing to keep in mind before you think the programming is not possible:
I changed from a 27.5" tire to a 25.25" tire, and had no problems. I did not re-adjust the Superchips height either. I still run the 25" tire with the 27.5" setting. That moved me from a 2 series to a 3 series gear drive. No problems or issues since then. Food for thought.

This is not the same situation. HAL has a problem when driveshaft RPM and axle RPM do not jibe with his parameters.

A mere tire diameter change does not affect this, an axle ratio change does.

I want 3.23 axle gears so I can run M&H 28" drag radials and have the same effective FDR as my street radials. (4.55:1 in 3rd gear)

Changing from a 28" tire to a 25" tall tire will give you a 12% increase in effective gear reduction or the same effective ratio as a 3.16 axle gear. That will give you an effective FDR of 3.45:1 in 3rd gear compared to 3.98 W/stock diameter tires. All this is fine @ the strip until you have traction issues. Then the larger footprint of the larger 28" M&H drag radial will pay divdends. Besides, as mentioned before, once you put your street radials on, you are back to 3.98 FDR in 3rd gear.

 

[FloridaRT]

Our 5.7 should be able to pull a 3:40 or 3:70 gear set with no problems, once they come up with a fix for the computer.

I ran 3:73 gears in my 96' Impala SS with no problems and it still would go 150MPH. I wanted 3:43 gears, but they were on back order at the time.

I think 3:43 gears would be a good compromise for our cars.

Bob

 

[PowerWagon896]

Our 5.7 should be able to pull a 3:40 or 3:70 gear set with no problems, once they come up with a fix for the computer.

I ran 3:73 gears in my 96' Impala SS with no problems and it still would go 150MPH. I wanted 3:43 gears, but they were on back order at the time.

I think 3:43 gears would be a good compromise for our cars.

Bob

Your 3rd gear in the LX is not 1:1 ratio like most automatics, it is 1.41:1. Your FDR right now is 2.82 X 1.41 = 3.98. Why would you want to shift into 4th gear W/a 3.43 FDR @ 95 MPH ? A 3.23 axle gear will give you a 4.55 FDR in 3rd gear and you will not run out of RPMs or gear in the 1/4 mile. @ 103 MPH you would be doing 5800 RPM. Actually if you do not have Superchips, a 3.10 or 3.15 might be a better choice.

Why would you want to shift gears just before the traps? Unless you can pull 6200-6300 RPM you will. You will not be able to "pull" those gears in 4th gear. Not in the 1/4 mile.

And the bigger question is why would you pay 3 times the fair price for a ring & pinion?

 

[gremlinsteve]

They are posting over at 300cforums also. Until respected people come online and post that it works with no issues I wouldn't spend a dime. His claim that the car looks at the wheel speed sensors is true, however, the pcm also knows that at x rpm in y gear the car should be going z mph. If it doesn't add up, pcm thinks there is a problem. Look for codes and limp modes.

Hey GSM, send me one fully assembled and I will be happy to test it for you. :wink:

exactly. i would wait myself.
especially at 795 for a set of gears.
steve

 

[x_HAWAII RT]

ahhhh...here we go with GSM again. DO YOUR HOMEWORK on these guys. have you ever wondered why they are no longer liked in WITHIN THEIR EX-community where they started?? ask the Dakota R/T guys. or maybe you can e-mail or call them, but don't expect an answer until you show up with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in hand.

 

[obiwan]

Maybe it's due to us knowing the history on them, having so many members done wrong?

 

[x_HAWAII RT]

obi,
your guess is as good as mine. I give them credit for trying to R&D parts for these platforms, but at least make sure it is COMPLETE before they release it!!!!!!!! Their customers should be aware that they may NEED more items Prior to purchasing some items, or that there maybe some issue with the current set-up, aND the list goes on. OH, HOW ABOUT CUSTOMER SERVICE??????????

 

[NOLAchargerRT]

ok ok let's try this AGAIN... E-X-P-L-A-I-N yourself, for the choice of these gears. Plain and simple... If you can give EVERYONE a good reason to wwwhy these gears are better suited for our 1.41:1 gear reduction in 3rd gear and If you can give us a educated reason and not "Hey we have gears for the LX's and no one else does so buy them for too much", I can damn near promise you, you won't be heckled and you might even get a few more customers, if not respect from everyone here for not ignoring, basically, the same question over...and over again. For us... and for your business give us a reason that makes sense. ok?

This post was simply a "who's interested" post period.

The only reason we posted a price is because it is very high in my opnion and we needed to put that out there as a consideration, the tooling cost is very high with the opening order for gears at $60,000.

We are not locked in to any ratio's we are simply testing these as our first choice.

So to make this clear we are not selling any gear sets period and we wont till we test them on our fleet of Hemi's

Thank you

Scott Quaranta
GS Motorsports
888-GSM-HEMI

FINALLY this is the closest thing to the truth we've heard yet! Almost like pulling teeth with these guys, pretty much had to over at chargerforums.com So these gears are NOT final what-so-ever they are just the "suggested" gears AND nothing has eve been tested....

 

[PowerWagon896]

FINALLY this is the closest thing to the truth we've heard yet! Almost like pulling teeth with these guys, pretty much had to over at chargerforums.com So these gears are NOT final what-so-ever they are just the "suggested" gears AND nothing has eve been tested....

I got news for them. If they are going to offer gears sets in both of the ratios listed for the R/T AND SRT, the initial cost will be more like $120,000.

Set up cost is estimated @ $30,000 a ratio.

Are these guys aware that the ring & pinions for the R/T & SRT are entirely different and will therefore require different set up costs. So 2 ratios X 2 differents set ups = 4 X $30,000.

As I said on Chargerforums. The price might be somewhat reasonable for the SRT gears, but for R/Ts that have 17 times more potential market?

Sounds like they want the R/T owners to foot the bill to me.:doh: