[txjeff]

It's about frikking time!

http://www.computerworld.com/action...wArticleBasic&articleId=9126238&source=NLT_AM

:banana:

 

[bandaid]

Cannot happen fast enough for me. As the victim of many hard drive crashes and data loss. I run two backup drives now but don't back up daily. Therefore oops and email files are lost.

 

[CHARGERTREV]

I back up one a week to a wireless external. Will be pricey though.

 

[Junior]

Awesome. Once it takes hold, the price will come down fast. Have you priced memory lately? It's almost ridiculous.

I was given a 32GB flash drive my first day on my new job. 32GB Corsair - that's good stuff. I looked it up and they sell for about $70. That's silly cheap, compared to just a year or two ago.

1GB DDR2 DIMMs for a PC are like $15-20 each, nowadays.


Anyway, I can't wait for solid state to replace the platters...

 

[Fondy]

i hear ya this will help mobile technology grow fast.

 

[TehKing]

That article is optimistic at best. Five years, doubtful.

HDD's have 10 years left in them as dominant data storage. Minimum.

 

[done]

Hmmph, youngsters in the game. When I bought my first PC, I didn't get a hard drive as I could not come up with the extra $2,500 for that 5 MB jewel.

TehKing, you will be surprised.

 

[Super T]

I love the idea especially for laptops, but I disagree that "users don't need that much storage anyway." How do you create a media center server for your home theater if you're limited to drives in the 256GB range as the article suggests you should be content with?

Interesting to see where it leads.

 

[txjeff]

That article is optimistic at best. Five years, doubtful.

HDD's have 10 years left in them as dominant data storage. Minimum.

I don't understand your thoughts on this. As was mentioned in the article, there is already a Dell Latitude D420 with an SDD ram drive in it. In fact, it came out in 2007.

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13700-Dell+Latitude+D420,+HDD+free+(SSD+inside).html

So it's not a matter of "when". It's here. It's more a matter of bigger, faster, and cheaper. This is to me like the phasing out of VHS and phasing in of DVDs. I'm sure there will be a need for HDD technology for various applications, but hopefully we're seeing a much more reliable and faster breed on the "near" horizon.

Personally, I HATE PCs! If we had a fast enought network country wide, such as Fiber, we wouldn't need any local drive. We'd be able to stow all our files on the internet on some safe server and we wouldn't have to 'buy' applications. If you needed a "Word" type app, you would just open a browser, click on it, type your 'letter' and save it. You would only need a 'node box' (networking only system), about the size of a cable tv box or smaller, to do your work.

Of course the greedy entrepreneurs would soon find a way to charge 'leasing' fees for the various apps and storage space. :roll:

 

[Super T]

I don't understand your thoughts on this. As was mentioned in the article, there is already a Dell Latitude D420 with an SDD ram drive in it. In fact, it came out in 2007.

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13700-Dell+Latitude+D420,+HDD+free+(SSD+inside).html

So it's not a matter of "when". It's here. It's more a matter of bigger, faster, and cheaper. This is to me like the phasing out of VHS and phasing in of DVDs. I'm sure there will be a need for HDD technology for various applications, but hopefully we're seeing a much more reliable and faster breed on the "near" horizon.

Personally, I HATE PCs! If we had a fast enought network country wide, such as Fiber, we wouldn't need any local drive. We'd be able to stow all our files on the internet on some safe server and we wouldn't have to 'buy' applications. If you needed a "Word" type app, you would just open a browser, click on it, type your 'letter' and save it. You would only need a 'node box' (networking only system), about the size of a cable tv box or smaller, to do your work.

Of course the greedy entrepreneurs would soon find a way to charge 'leasing' fees for the various apps and storage space. :roll:

I'd prefer to keep my porn... errrrrr, personal media files.... locally, thank you very much :banana:

 

[TehKing]

I have a computer with an SSD. Getting past the gee whiz factor, it is not a replacement for a platter drive. Not even close.

In five years we may see $/GB parity and comparable read/write speeds, but SSD's will always be limited in their R/W cycles and capacity. For long term, fast, secure, reliable (yes, HDDs can be very reliable) mass storage, HDDs will be the dominant format for quite a while.

 

[05MagnumRT]

Of course the greedy entrepreneurs would soon find a way to charge 'leasing' fees for the various apps and storage space. :roll:

Those "greedy" entrepreneurs would have laid out a great deal of cash to purchase the drives for the storage space, the licenses for the applications you use, and the large bandwidth fees for having a connection large enough to provide this for thousands of users. None of that stuff is free to you now, nor would it be to them in this scenario, Microsoft is still going to get paid for making Word, AT&T is still going to get paid for having the fibre and providing the service, Buffalo is still going to get paid for building the storage solution, Dell is still going to get paid for building the computer the thing is hosted from.

 

[TehKing]

Personally, I HATE PCs! If we had a fast enought network country wide, such as Fiber, we wouldn't need any local drive. We'd be able to stow all our files on the internet on some safe server and we wouldn't have to 'buy' applications. If you needed a "Word" type app, you would just open a browser, click on it, type your 'letter' and save it. You would only need a 'node box' (networking only system), about the size of a cable tv box or smaller, to do your work.

Of course the greedy entrepreneurs would soon find a way to charge 'leasing' fees for the various apps and storage space. :roll:

Cloud computing is a very interesting concept. I've dabbled with a few different applications of it out there and I'm all for it, but I do have a hang up, and it is security and privacy. Local storage is the only way to ensure both.

 

[txjeff]

Local storage is the only way to ensure both.

For now....

I'd like to look back on this in 10 years and see where we are... If Bill Gates is still pumping out Windows 18, or, if we can finally label it as 'tired' and have one that isn't based on the original microprocessor with 'smoke and mirrors' coding.

None of that stuff is free to you now, nor would it be to them in this scenario, Microsoft is still going to get paid

It does NOT have to be that way! The whole computer nation is brain washed into thinking that is the 'only' way, but it is not. If we stay indifferent about it, sure that will be the case. Change is not always bad (at least not after awhile).

As far as 'having to pay for software', not true either. There are plenty of open source software that can do a fine job for a fraction of the price.

We have to stop with the 'monkey see - monkey do' attitude - a 'mob' mentality..

Shoot, look at us....we're still driving gas guzzlers even though the fuel prices are escalated. So LXers are willing to behave outside of the box. But what about the masses that are panic driven? "I want my Maypo!"anic:

Sorry for the rant. I guess having past 16 years in the IT world has me irritated with all of this crud. Gotta get a "Luddite's do it by telegraph" tshirt. :blah:

 

[05MagnumRT]

For now....

I'd like to look back on this in 10 years and see where we are... If Bill Gates is still pumping out Windows 18, or, if we can finally label it as 'tired' and have one that isn't based on the original microprocessor with 'smoke and mirrors' coding.

It does NOT have to be that way! The whole computer nation is brain washed into thinking that is the 'only' way, but it is not. If we stay indifferent about it, sure that will be the case. Change is not always bad (at least not after awhile).

As far as 'having to pay for software', not true either. There are plenty of open source software that can do a fine job for a fraction of the price.

We have to stop with the 'monkey see - monkey do' attitude - a 'mob' mentality..

Shoot, look at us....we're still driving gas guzzlers even though the fuel prices are escalated. So LXers are willing to behave outside of the box. But what about the masses that are panic driven? "I want my Maypo!"anic:

Sorry for the rant. I guess having past 16 years in the IT world has me irritated with all of this crud. Gotta get a "Luddite's do it by telegraph" tshirt. :blah:

As far as software, well, using open source is an option. But, it's an option that the common public isn't comfortable with yet. Perhaps one day they will be, and I will welcome that day.

However, all of the hardware and network connections would still need to be paid for. You can't just whip up a computer, a stack of hard drives, and a world wide fibre network from a pile of sand and some scavenged wires just because you have some free time.

 

[txjeff]

However, all of the hardware and network connections would still need to be paid for. You can't just whip up a computer, a stack of hard drives, and a world wide fibre network from a pile of sand and some scavenged wires just because you have some free time.

Hmm... need money for fiber? Let's see.. ditch Microsoft, take the billions saved and put in Fiber.
But, as I said, we're so 'hooked' on that MS stuff, it's like heroin. I've been to batches of homes in the Fort Worth/Dallas that are part of the FIFO rollouts, and it is the way to go! It makes DSL and Cable look like modems.

 

[05MagnumRT]

Hmm... need money for fiber? Let's see.. ditch Microsoft, take the billions saved and put in Fiber.
But, as I said, we're so 'hooked' on that MS stuff, it's like heroin. I've been to batches of homes in the Fort Worth/Dallas that are part of the FIFO rollouts, and it is the way to go! It makes DSL and Cable look like modems.

No argument with you there, brother.

 

[bigjim]

I gotta agree with the security issues with distributed systems as well. I went RAID mirror years ago and don't give a rats butt when a drive fails, simply drop in a new one and the data is reconstructed from the remaining good data on the surviving drive. I won't go back to a single drive that needs to backed up to save my stuff, what a pain, all it does is create a job for someone. Cost is a card and another $120 drive. To not have to "rebuild" again, I would pay 5 times that!

 

[txjeff]

Yup. In today's technology, a well setup raid system is the ****.

 

[Nightshade]

I gotta agree with the security issues with distributed systems as well. I went RAID mirror years ago and don't give a rats butt when a drive fails, simply drop in a new one and the data is reconstructed from the remaining good data on the surviving drive. I won't go back to a single drive that needs to backed up to save my stuff, what a pain, all it does is create a job for someone. Cost is a card and another $120 drive. To not have to "rebuild" again, I would pay 5 times that!

Same here. I run an ESX server at home using desktop hardware.. Opted for a good LSI raid raid controller and 4 500Gb drives. Performance is much better than single drives and I can loose a drive and not loose my data... It becomes an issue to backup though with drives that are so large. I find that disk is cheap enough that I just have a cheap dlink DNS323 NAS and use that as a backup device.... 2 1TB drives in a dlink NAS is still cheaper than a LTO3/LTO4 tape drive and the tapes.. heck, two drives and the NAS is cheaper than just a 5 pack of LTO tapes.

I think were we will see the best performance is with large numbers of SSD drives. I have already been playing with the idea of a large raid of SSD drives.. but to be honest, performance just isn't there yet.. If they can get the write speeds up to where they should be, will be quite impressive.. seek times on SSD drives is obviously impressive and no longer have to deal with drive fragmentation (ssd drives don't need to be defragmented since it would not yield any better performance)

Next laptop will have an SSD drive though.. since I do most of my work on a Virtual machine running on a server (via terminal services or VDI) there is really no point to having so much local storage..

I don't think it will even take 5 years to see SSD's start to take significant market share. I would say within a year or two, you will see most laptops with SSD drives.. maybe no optical drives built in either.. wireless USB devices would be pretty sweet.. wireless charging stations.... already have 300Mbps wireless ethernet...

Fast SSD is still too expensive.. but performance getting better... and pricing is bound to come down once it becomes more commonplace in the enterprise.