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    From John Hopkins....finally some useful information on this bloody thing...
    * The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
    * Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
    * The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
    By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
    * HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 77 degrees Fahrenheit for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
    * Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
    * Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
    * Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
    * NO BACTERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibiotics cannot kill what is not alive.
    * NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
    -between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
    -4 hours (copper and wood)
    -24 hours (cardboard),
    - 42 hours (metal) and
    -72 hours (plastic).

    But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
    * The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
    They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
    * UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
    * The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
    * Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
    * NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
    Edit: there are a few alcohols more than 65%, and Vodka does come in 50%, but still not strong enough to kill the virus.

    * The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
    * You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
    * You have to Moisturize dry hands from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
    * Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RT NOMAD View Post
    . It seems clear to me that Rich is very intelligent. But we are both speaking past one another.

    I will attempt to explain Test and CI for Two Proportions.
    Let's begin with a Test and CI for One Proportion. What is the Confidence Interval for 3,684 trials that yields 1188 events.
    This test assumes the population is very large, even greater than 8,000,000.
    When we run the test we find the 95% CI is (0.306551, 0.336937)
    The proportion (mean) is 32.16% and we are 95% confident that it is no lower than 30.65% and no higher than 33.70%, and that is all we know.

    If we sampled 10 times as many, i.e., 36,940 trials that yielded 11,880 events we would find:
    The proportion (mean) is the same, 32.16% but the confidence interval would tighten (more data). We are now confident that it is no lower than 31.16% and no higher than 32.64%.

    When we do a Test and CI for One Proportion of the deaths: 206 trials and 85 events:
    The proportion (mean) is 41.26% and the 95% CI is (0.344663, 0.483132)
    Here we are 95% confident that the persons dying that have Type A blood is no less than 34.36% and no higher than 48.31%
    Note that with a relatively small sample size that the confidence interval is rather large.

    For a Test and CI for Two Proportions that is done, the null hypothesis is that the proportions are alike. That is to say, if the 95% Confidence Intervals overlap, so we must not reject the null hypothesis. (Or in my words, there isn't enough data to show there is a difference). If the intervals don't overlap we accept the alternate hypothesis. In our example there is not a overlap. That is to say, blood Type A is more adversely effected by Covid 19 as it pertains to fatality.


    Now we need to talk about "noise" vs "signal". In Test and CI for One and Two Proportions the null hypothesis is noise.
    The alternate hypothesis is a signal.
    To a statistician a signal is a call to investigate.
    Could there be a false signal? Yes, it is called alpha error (Type I error). Statisticians live with it, stats say investigate and attempt to identify if it truly a signal or just a false alarm.

    Addressing sampling: It is critical that sampling is representative and random. I made that assumption for all stat tests that I preformed.

    I can't image a persistent right brain person could let it rest as is, but stranger things have happened.

    I promise to let this rest as I presented it regardless of an opposition post. I friend of mine often says, "He who is convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."
    Very good, sir! Well thought. So our basic problem is trust in the data, isn't it?
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    You would have to go full Howard Hughes to completely avoid this virus. That’s not practical for most people. Take the necessary precautions, stay home, stay away from others as much as possible. At the end of the day, we’re all rolling the dice.
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    CORONA Common Sense (share):

    Since they are calling on Respiratory therapist to help fight the Corona virus, and I am a retired one, too old to work in a hospital setting. I'm gonna share some common sense wisdom with those that have the virus and trying to stay home. If my advice is followed as given you will improve your chances of not ending up in the hospital on a ventilator. This applies to the otherwise generally healthy population, so use discretion.


    1. Only high temperatures kill a virus, so let your fever run high. Tylenol, Advil. Motrin, Ibuprofen etc. will bring your fever down allowing the virus to live longer. They are saying that ibuprofen, Advil etc will actually exacerbate the virus. Use common sense and don't let fever go over 103 or 104 if you got the guts. If it gets higher than that take your Tylenol, not ibuprofen or Advil to keep it regulated. It helps to keep house warm and cover up with blankets so body does not have to work so hard to generate the heat. It usually takes about 3 days of this to break the fever.



    1. The body is going to dehydrate with the elevated temperature so you must re-hydrate yourself regularly, whether you like it or not. Gatorade with real sugar, or pedialyte with real sugar for kids, works well. Why the sugar? Sugar will give your body back the energy it is using up to create the fever. The electrolytes and fluid you are losing will also be replenished by the Gatorade. If you don't do this and end up in the hospital they will start an IV and give you D5W (sugar water) and Normal Saline to replenish electrolytes. Gatorade is much cheaper, pain free, and comes in an assortment of flavors



    1. You must keep your lungs moist. Best done by taking long steamy showers on a regular basis, if your wheezing or congested use a real minty toothpaste and brush your teeth while taking the steamy shower and deep breath through your mouth. This will provide some bronchial dilation and help loosen the phlegm. Force your self to cough into a wet wash cloth pressed firmly over your mouth and nose, which will cause greater pressure in your lungs forcing them to expand more and break loose more of the congestion.



    1. Eat healthy and regularly. Gotta keep your strength up.



    1. Once the fever breaks, start moving around to get the body back in shape and blood circulating.



    1. Deep breath on a regular basis, even when it hurts. If you don't it becomes easy to develop pneumonia. Pursed lip breathing really helps. That's breathing in deep and slow then exhaling through tight lips as if your blowing out a candle, blow until you have completely emptied your lungs and you will be able to breath in an even deeper breath. This helps keep lungs expanded as well as increase your oxygen level.



    1. Remember that every medication you take is merely relieving the symptoms, not making you well.

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    If you live in a state where NO social distancing / Shelter in Place order is in effect, or you live in any state or province and you are not taking ANY AND ALL PRECAUTIONS​ to protect yourself, you MUST START NOW!!!

    Do not f'n wait - or much worse - ignore!!!


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    I am STUNNED that there are states that STILL have not gone to shelter in place. Literally blind and stupid people.
    THE only way China got a grip was shutting down cities and going to shelter in place. We are now worse than China got.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netnathan View Post
    I am STUNNED that there are states that STILL have not gone to shelter in place. Literally blind and stupid people.
    THE only way China got a grip was shutting down cities and going to shelter in place. We are now worse than China got.

    I don't know how to convey Nathan...just how dire the situation is down your way. These are the facts in the US:
    - Only yesterday(!) was it grudgingly made clear publicly the MINIMUM number of forecasted deaths - IF absolutely everyone across the country immediately commenced 100% self-distancing (MINIMUM 2 meters / 6-6ft) and stayed the f^ck away from everyone else...period
    - Today, it was finally admitted that the US is on a similar - if not worse - trajectory than Italy
    - That "best case scenario" range is from 100,000 to 240,000 people
    - In stark terms that I sincerely HOPE everyone can understand; with twenty States - now nineteen (a threatening lawsuit FINALLY changed bonehead desantis' mind) - that refuse(!) to understand and HEED the pending consequences.........that loss-of-life guesstimate ain't gonna happen and will be shockingly worse.

    So long as f'n POLITICS continue to mislead, ignore, marginalize and outright lie about the true consequences - actually its too late - the US is going to be overrun by the virus as will the rest of the planet. However the number of deaths over the coming weeks and months because of willful ignorance and arrogance (2nd, 3rd etcetera waves - because people will continue to refuse to obey self-distancing / shelter-in-place) and the following(!) Winter season(s) of colds, influenza and the deadly SARS-CoV-2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemissary View Post
    CORONA Common Sense (share):

    Remember that every medication you take is merely relieving the symptoms, not making you well.
    Though I only heard from one doctor about a week ago or so, but I’d like your thoughts on his take.
    He said it wasn’t the Coronavirus that destroyed the lungs. It was immune response that killed the patient. Their own immune system destroyed the lungs in the process of fighting the virus.
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    When I first shared this link in the beginning of March the infected was at 160,000 and only about 4 states in the US were showing infection....now look at it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by RT NOMAD View Post
    Though I only heard from one doctor about a week ago or so, but I’d like your thoughts on his take.
    He said it wasn’t the Coronavirus that destroyed the lungs. It was immune response that killed the patient. Their own immune system destroyed the lungs in the process of fighting the virus.
    Please keep in mind I'm not an expert...

    Based on what I have learned, my personal opinion mirrors that. Go read the data in post #1; specifically Cytokine Storm, COVID 19's Infection Mechnasim​ and others.

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