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    This is no fun learning this sh1t; nor today's assertion that come Fall - we will be at this again but not as what is classified as 2nd or 3rd+ waves (which we all are going to experience).

    No; the southern hemisphere is starting - experiencing their winter season (loss of UV --> less bacteria / viruses killed --> many more colds / flu / etc)...while the same happens for our coming fall / winter as people travel back and forth from southern to northern hemisphere...continuing to spread SARS-CoV-2. Now try and imagine stopping people coming into the northern hemisphere...and vica-versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemissary View Post
    This is no fun learning this sh1t; nor today's assertion that come Fall - we will be at this again but not as what is classified as 2nd or 3rd+ waves (which we all are going to experience).

    No; the southern hemisphere is starting - experiencing their winter season (loss of UV --> less bacteria / viruses killed --> many more colds / flu / etc)...while the same happens for our coming fall / winter as people travel back and forth from southern to northern hemisphere...continuing to spread SARS-CoV-2. Now try and imagine stopping people coming into the northern hemisphere...and vica-versa.

    COVID19: What's the End Game? - deonandia
    Agreed, it's only the beginning... The only historically recent event we have for reference of a pandemic is the Spanish Flu... That influenza bounced across the globe for nearly 3 years before petering out... International travel at that time was by ship, which is why staging locations like Ellis Island in NY harbor were so critically important for immigration and quarantine purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richierevs View Post
    Agreed, it's only the beginning... The only historically recent event we have for reference of a pandemic is the Spanish Flu... That influenza bounced across the globe for nearly 3 years before petering out... International travel at that time was by ship, which is why staging locations like Ellis Island in NY harbor were so critically important for immigration and quarantine purposes.
    Imagine if the Spanish Flu hit now with international travel being as easy as a few clicks on a keyboard and an Uber to the airport.

    This thing is far from over because too many people don't understand that it needs to be taken seriously. This is not a drill.

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    For my US friends, here is a state by state summary which includes infection rate, # of hospital beds available, at risk population, health insurance coverage, and a lot of other information which demonstrates how the healthcare system could be overwhelmed if the infection rates continue to rise. Data is updated daily from each county.



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    I believe the Spanish Flu of 1918 was the Swine Flu, it hit us again a decade ago and did some harm. Medicine has come a ways in the last century. The hardest hit nations still haven't lost .1% of their population, we can withstand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnsand View Post
    I believe the Spanish Flu of 1918 was the Swine Flu, it hit us again a decade ago and did some harm. Medicine has come a ways in the last century. The hardest hit nations still haven't lost .1% of their population, we can withstand it.
    It's not the immediate (or historical) deaths that should worry you or give you peace. It's the infection rate which could overwhelm healthcare facilities and bring them to their knees that should be the cause for worry. If hospitals can no longer accept patients, or if health care workers get infected and have to be removed from the front line, THAT is what should cause the worry. The death rate will increase if it gets to that point. People focus too much on the death rates as opposed to looking at the bigger picture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BryGuy View Post
    It's not the immediate (or historical) deaths that should worry you or give you peace. It's the infection rate which could overwhelm healthcare facilities and bring them to their knees that should be the cause for worry. If hospitals can no longer accept patients, or if health care workers get infected and have to be removed from the front line, THAT is what should cause the worry. The death rate will increase if it gets to that point. People focus too much on the death rates as opposed to looking at the bigger picture.

    As well as the plethroa of deaths from non-virus related incidents - the other things people need to go to hospital for and will not be able to receive help :^(

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    Quote Originally Posted by BryGuy View Post
    It's not the immediate (or historical) deaths that should worry you or give you peace. It's the infection rate which could overwhelm healthcare facilities and bring them to their knees that should be the cause for worry. If hospitals can no longer accept patients, or if health care workers get infected and have to be removed from the front line, THAT is what should cause the worry. The death rate will increase if it gets to that point. People focus too much on the death rates as opposed to looking at the bigger picture.
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    As well as the plethroa of deaths from non-virus related incidents - the other things people need to go to hospital for and will not be able to receive help :^(
    Good points... We mustn't forget that the front-line medical staff put themselves at risk each and every day. Imagine if that staff dwindled (at least temporarily) in numbers due to COVID-19? We should also avoid being either cavalier or complacent about the virus, nor we should discount/ignore its longer term effects in terms of lung damage, asthma, and other chronic conditions. Viruses are known to change the genetic code of cells as well as trigger latent conditions. This doesn't mean being fatalistic, but it does mean focusing on what can be done now to mitigate the potential harm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richierevs View Post
    Good points... We mustn't forget that the front-line medical staff put themselves at risk each and every day. Imagine if that staff dwindled (at least temporarily) in numbers due to COVID-19? We should also avoid being either cavalier or complacent about the virus, nor we should discount/ignore its longer term effects in terms of lung damage, asthma, and other chronic conditions. Viruses are known to change the genetic code of cells as well as trigger latent conditions. This doesn't mean being fatalistic, but it does mean focusing on what can be done now to mitigate the potential harm.

    Good points, to add to this; the Healthcare System, as you know it, is under attack from overwork and under-staffing. There is no way they can handle the workload - nor should they be expected to. You - as citizens - must step up to help anywhere and everywhere possible! Your Countries need every last one of you to self-isolate and help where possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hemissary View Post

    There is no way they can handle the workload - nor should they be expected to.
    #1 It is their job.
    #2 The Coronavirus death rate in the US is 1/3rd - 1/6th that of the normal flu.
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    COVID 19 (the disease) --> SARS-CoV-2 (specific virus)...

    [#1 It is their job.
    So we shouldn’t expect them to do there jobs? Pretty stupid comment!!
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    It’s the American way to overcome obstacles. Improvise adapt overcome
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFScatPack View Post
    #1 It is their job.
    #2 The Coronavirus death rate in the US is 1/3rd - 1/6th that of the normal flu.
    Seriously???

    You need to watch the news, where the hot spots are for starters. What ALL Healthcare Professionals and Workers are going through as I type this!

    There is ZERO relationship between the number of influenza deaths and where the US will end up in 2,3 or many months from now, out of the gate, for a brand new virus that no one has immunity to. If it ain't on your doorstep now...it WILL be!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SFScatPack View Post
    #1 It is their job.
    #2 The Coronavirus death rate in the US is 1/3rd - 1/6th that of the normal flu.
    Two comments: Healthcare professionals (who have careers), as opposed to healthcare workers (who have jobs), are highly invested in what they do. Their calling, during crises like this, is to do what it takes. However, there's an axiom at work here: you can't make chicken salad out of chicken poop. These professionals can only deliver the necessary care if provided with the means and tools, like ventilators. Nor do they have the wherewithal to convert a fireplace billows into a make shift ventilator. To suggest otherwise is complete nonsense. Sure there are bag ventilators, but there aren't enough clinicians around to use them on all the patients in the ICUs.

    Secondly, let's compare the mortality rate of this virus after it's all over. Only then will we know the reaper's bill. The fact remains that there are only 2 ways to beat the virus: vaccination and recovery, that's it.

    The human immune system, in a general sense, is seeing this virus for the first time. All the optimists are crossing their fingers and holding their breaths anticipating that sometime in the next few weeks there will be a technological break-through and this will all fade away like a bad dream. The realists, pragmatists, and humanists in the crowd are trying to do their part to help in whatever way possible, including following instructions to practice social distancing. The nihilists and libertines in the crowd, who believe that the human will to power will miraculously overcome anything, are actually idealists who should have swallowed the red pill like Neo and see reality for what it is. In the end, we all have to individually choose which group we're in.

    All I know is that I'm old enough to remember how to duck and cover during an air raid warning, and the siren is blaring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richierevs View Post

    The fact remains that there are only 2 ways to beat the virus: vaccination and recovery, that's it.
    It is difficult to read your statement and understand if you're referring to the individual or the virus as the invisible enemy of society.

    Since a huge percentage of individuals contract Covid 19 are asymptomatic, are you including them in the "recovery" group
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