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New 2020 Challenger Scat Pack - Intake Question (and other things)

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#1 ·
Hey Everyone,

I just got my 2020 Challenger Scat Pack on Friday. Had 13 miles on the clock (special ordered again). I was disappointed to learn that the Rhombi Air Catcher headlamp on my Challenger is fake. No idea why they would put that on the window sticker when it's just (as it stands) a gimmick.

I saw on the web that I can buy the lower part of a hellcat airbox as well as the intake tube and attach it to the rhombi air catcher (after removing the cap in the rear):
https://amzn.to/3fK5B9h - Box
Amazon.com: 2019 Dodge Challenger 6.2L Engine Fresh Air Cleaner Duct New Mopar OEM: Automotive - Tube

Has anyone with a scat pack done this yet? Specifically a 2019/2020? Seems like it should be an insanely easy and relatively cheap mod, even if it doesn't make much (if any) difference at least I won't have to explain that the driver side headlight intake is a phony.

On an unrelated note, is the Challenger significantly quieter than the Charger (I had a 2018 Scat), or is it just because I'm still in the break-in period? Also on an unrelated note, how hard is it to fix dents on a the side-seam? The car arrived with a dent (that the dealer knew about) and because they're 1,500 miles away I can't just bring it to them and had no idea it had a dent before they shipped it. It looked worse upon arrival because the car was filthy from the car-carrier and the dent had other paint or dirt in it that I was able to clean out. It's very small, the dealer will pay to fix it but I'm trying to decide if it's worth it. Would they have to drill a hole or take off internal panels to get to it?

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#2 ·
I don't understand why you say it's phony? It lights up on the inside and you can see the rhombi glow at night well at least mine, some have the scat pack bee glow up but is not phony, second it's a functional intake tube all you have to do is take off 2 screws of the cap, twist and you can install the tube and Hellcat lower airbox then it's a fully functional air intake tube so I don't understand why you say it's phony?

If you say it's phony cus you didn't get the headlight tube and the lower box from factory already set up well all 2015 to 2020 Scat Pack and SRT 392 didn't come with the hellcat tube and lower airbox those are standard in hellcats however our scat packs and srt 392 didn't get those Hellcat parts cus they are no Hellcats lol [emoji23]

However since the headlight air catcher is functional by removing the cap and buying the Hellcat parts to make it functional hence not phony but rather a personal choice of mod

And yes this mod has been done like a million times from 2015 to 2020 mine is a 2019, and I did the intake tube, lower air box and upper airbox Hellcat set up

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#3 ·
Thanks for answering the question about it working (though I've heard the tube for 2015-2018 is different from the ones for 2019-2020.)

It is 100% phony. If you have to modify the car to make it work as they claim, then it is phony... I will do this mod but like, c'mon. Dont cut them slack. For claiming something and delivering something else (though it does say air catcher, and I guess the blocked off hole would catch a lot of air).

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Well I can see why Dodge gets away with it then lol.

No worries, once I use the part that is not meant for my car since i dont have a hellcat and will need to replace a perfectly functioning airbox to do so. I will no longer have 2 phony headlight intakes, just one.

Again. I appreciate the confirmation that this mod can be done easily. That was the main point of the post, though I can tell you've had to defend the phony headlight intake a few times already to others. That's what I'm talking about.

I'm not being sarcastic in my thank you, btw. I am genuinely grateful that you confirmed the mod. I'm buying the parts now, it will be cool to have it functional. I wonder if we'd be able to hear the air getting pulled in through the light if standing right near it.

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#8 ·
Well I can see why Dodge gets away with it then lol.

No worries, once I use the part that is not meant for my car since i dont have a hellcat and will need to replace a perfectly functioning airbox to do so. I will no longer have 2 phony headlight intakes, just one.

Again. I appreciate the confirmation that this mod can be done easily. That was the main point of the post, though I can tell you've had to defend the phony headlight intake a few times already to others. That's what I'm talking about.

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You can open the other one but I left mine closed just personal preference, I left mine closed cus it looks ugly to see one open seeing thru my wiper reservoir it looks odd since the other is fully dark with the tube and airbox and I noticed my engine bay got dirty quicker

Others leave it open since you have that option it's not phony headlight but they Leave it open for more air to go thru the engine bay for the heat extractor vents

I am very happy Dodge Gave us the option to do either one cus I would not be happy if both were open for the reason why I stated above but it's personal choices

FYI we have not had to defend this as your the first one to ever called the headlight "Phony"

On the other side yes chargers will be louder than challengers why idk, but I will tell you I did the mid muffler delete it was loud but I did noticed power loss on the lower end, I put it my stock muffler and I noticed the difference I regained that lower end power loss so I am a believer challengers need some sort of back pressure

Right now I am in between he Dynomax bullets or the Flowmasters super 10

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#9 ·
I just wish dodge didnt specifically put it on the window sticker. I too am glad I have the option to make it function though I wish it was functional from the start. The parts are only going to cost me 100 bucks... would've cost dodge 2 bucks for the plastic tube...

I dont plan on doing anything with the exhaust but I am a bit disappointed coming from the Charger. Oh well, I think the dent put me in a bad mood from the start.



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#10 ·
I just wish dodge didnt specifically put it on the window sticker. I too am glad I have the option to make it function though I wish it was functional from the start. The parts are only going to cost me 100 bucks... would've cost dodge 2 bucks for the plastic tube...

I dont plan on doing anything with the exhaust but I am a bit disappointed coming from the Charger. Oh well, I think the dent put me in a bad mood from the start.

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I would have not taken the car from the get go, when my car came down the truck I made sure I did walk thru, look at it side profile for any dents, and I demanded the dealer for a full detail and full tank of gas, that's even on top that they gave me 3 years worth of unlimited oil changes, I would have demanded a new car or a discount

My wife charger I guess one of the tarps the wind blew it over along with the structure scratching the car, so I got 4k off the car from the additional power dollar discount and other incentives and they repainted all the body parts, I don't sign and take a car off the lot until the inspection I do I am happy

I am still curious to see your window sticker where it says "Functional Air Grabber" or "Functional Head light Intake" I bet it does not say "Functional" hence us not getting those Hellcat parts, it's technicality that they win with, it seems you interpret in a different way

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#12 ·
It's a air catcher by design [emoji1748] however just cus it's not functional it does not mean it's not a air catcher by design, it's a air catcher cus you don't have to buy a different head light just cus is not functional from the factory it does not mean it's not a air catcher lol [emoji23]

Well that's you don't sign until he car is there and if they are not willing to do so then you better off going to a different dealer, cus my dealer allows me not sign or even exchange it if I don't like when it arrives

If they can't just pop it they will just have to do body work, bonds, primer, paint the part and do a blend around it so if the dealer is willing pay for it let them do it, if your going to do it on your own if I seen estimates of 600 plus for one dent

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#13 ·
Idk where you live but there is no way it would cost 600 bucks to repair that dent. No paint work needed...

The dealer will pay but I dont want the body shop or PDR guys to do more damage. I'm not sure you understand what my scenario is. The dealer is 1500 miles away they were not going to send me a car in Florida from Nebrask without me buying it. They should have fixed the dent before they let it go, and/or definitely told me about it. They had to know that since I got the car shipped I was going to look over every inch of it extremely carefully...

There are no challenger scat pack by me that have the upgraded audio, I was able to order exactly what I wanted and the dealer gave me over 1k equity in my lease trade in. I'd quote the amount but it keeps changing so I have no idea. On the sheet it says they gave me 40,500 trade allowance. Which is obviously nuts.



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#14 ·
Idk where you live but there is no way it would cost 600 bucks to repair that dent. No paint work needed...

The dealer will pay but I dont want the body shop or PDR guys to do more damage. I'm not sure you understand what my scenario is. The dealer is 1500 miles away they were not going to send me a car in Florida from Nebrask without me buying it. They should have fixed the dent before they let it go, and/or definitely told me about it. They had to know that since I got the car shipped I was going to look over every inch of it extremely carefully...

There are no challenger scat pack by me that have the upgraded audio, I was able to order exactly what I wanted and the dealer gave me over 1k equity in my lease trade in. I'd quote the amount but it keeps changing so I have no idea. On the sheet it says they gave me 40,500 trade allowance. Which is obviously nuts.

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If the dent can be popped with a suction cup type then you dont which I doubt it since you say it's small but maybe they can who know, so once Again let me say one more time, if the dent can not be popped, yes it will need new paint, wether they make a hole if it's small they won't most likely they use bondo and primer it will need paint which can be 600 or more

FYI you didn't had to get that car but it was the fastest, you could have ordered a new one and just waited out but since you wanted faster that's comes with Inherent risk but anyways if they are willing to pay for it who cares what it cost let me put bondo and primer and paint it and blend it, this way they don't do a hole or they don't just pop it and later on it may resurface again, they can't do more damage your over thinking this way to much like with the headlight let them fix it it's free! And get it done and enjoy the car

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#17 · (Edited)
Good luck with your car it seems you are overthinking it

I understand that you may cringe about body work on your new car, but unfortunately cus it’s so small on a body line it requires more work, there is no shortcut or Mickey Mouse solution compared to bigger dent that is on flat surface fixable with the suction cup

The only way to make your 100% new is thru body work and if Your not willing to do that then learn to love that dent and see it as badge when your bought the car

Or next time if you can not drive to a dealer that has the car that you want and inspect before signing I would just order it from the factory it may not be the fastest like getting it from a different dealer cus it’s going to take way more then 2 months lol but when you order the car from the factory you don’t sign the loan until the car arrives which gives you the opportunity to inspect the car, and eliminate all these type of risks,

Good luck and have fun with your new car

If I was in your shoes I would leave it alone it’s not noticeable or big enough for me to freak out about it but if it truly concerned me I would do body work

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#18 ·
I'm not sure what world you live in where you can order directly from the factory but I DID order from the factory through the dealer... I said that like 10 times already. Doing body work will not make the car new it will make the car have had work done. I'd much rather have a tiny dent then a repainted door with bondo. I'm shocked that anyone would choose that... there is a type of dent repair where they go behind the sheet metal and roll the dent out. If you google it you'll see a bunch of dents right on the seam of our challengers that they fixed in this manner. That requires them to pull out the interior panels and/or drill a whole somewhere under the fender or in the door jam to put the metal rod in there. Obviously I dont want someone drilling into my car.

Seriously though you have to be trolling right? How many times did I say I ordered the car? And since when is 2 months considered a fast process to buying a car? Hell it might have been longer, with covid lockdowns everything blurs together.

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#19 ·
I'm not sure what world you live in where you can order directly from the factory but I DID order from the factory through the dealer... I said that like 10 times already. Doing body work will not make the car new it will make the car have had work done. I'd much rather have a tiny dent then a repainted door with bondo. I'm shocked that anyone would choose that... there is a type of dent repair where they go behind the sheet metal and roll the dent out. If you google it you'll see a bunch of dents right on the seam of our challengers that they fixed in this manner. That requires them to pull out the interior panels and/or drill a whole somewhere under the fender or in the door jam to put the metal rod in there. Obviously I dont want someone drilling into my car.

Seriously though you have to be trolling right? How many times did I say I ordered the car? And since when is 2 months considered a fast process to buying a car? Hell it might have been longer, with covid lockdowns everything blurs together.

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So if it came from factory you didn't sign the loan at the dealer like you mentioned lol you can't sign a loan when you order the car from the factory cus the bank has no VIN Yet to do loan docs, lol so you had the opportunity to inspect the car before signing, That's on you then

FYI even doing your method that you mentioned is considered body work as well lol [emoji23] and they are going to have to patch that hole with something and paint it so there is no noticeable repairs right? unless Your okay with the hole

And I will mention it for the 10x time any other method to fix your small dent will require body work, bondo and filler is not the only thing considered body work you know that Right?
So if your looking for a solution that will require no body work then good luck lol [emoji23]

Just love your dent and move On your looking for a solution that requires zero body work and unfortunately it does not exist so live with your dent

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#22 · (Edited)
Hey Everyone,

I just got my 2020 Challenger Scat Pack on Friday. Had 13 miles on the clock (special ordered again). I was disappointed to learn that the Rhombi Air Catcher headlamp on my Challenger is fake. No idea why they would put that on the window sticker when it's just (as it stands) a gimmick.

I saw on the web that I can buy the lower part of a hellcat airbox as well as the intake tube and attach it to the rhombi air catcher (after removing the cap in the rear):
Amazon.com: Dodge Challenger Charger Hellcat SRT Air Intake Cleaner Box Mopar OEM: Automotive - Box
Amazon.com: 2019 Dodge Challenger 6.2L Engine Fresh Air Cleaner Duct New Mopar OEM: Automotive - Tube

Has anyone with a scat pack done this yet? Specifically a 2019/2020? Seems like it should be an insanely easy and relatively cheap mod, even if it doesn't make much (if any) difference at least I won't have to explain that the driver side headlight intake is a phony.

On an unrelated note, is the Challenger significantly quieter than the Charger (I had a 2018 Scat), or is it just because I'm still in the break-in period? Also on an unrelated note, how hard is it to fix dents on a the side-seam? The car arrived with a dent (that the dealer knew about) and because they're 1,500 miles away I can't just bring it to them and had no idea it had a dent before they shipped it. It looked worse upon arrival because the car was filthy from the car-carrier and the dent had other paint or dirt in it that I was able to clean out. It's very small, the dealer will pay to fix it but I'm trying to decide if it's worth it. Would they have to drill a hole or take off internal panels to get to it?

Challenger Dent - Album on Imgur

Thanks everyone!
Congrats; yes - you can add the H/W to your year. And you're right, no measurable performance gain (and zero ram air effect).

Can hardly see the dent in your pics. Either way. its a no-brainer for someone to perform a paintless dent repair repair from the backside. Less than 5min for someone who knows what they're doing with the proper tools...
 
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Congrats; yes - you can add the H/W to your year. And you're right, no measurable performance gain (and zero ram air effect).

Can hardly see the dent in your pics. Either way. its a no-brainer for soemone to perform dentless repair from the backside. Less than 5min for someone who knows what they're doing...
Thanks!

Would they have to go through the interior panels?

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#26 · (Edited)
I have two paintless dent repair guys on my “Rolodex”

Every dealership as a couple “on call”. Why not cut out the middle man?
 
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I have two paintless dent repair guys on my "Rolodex"

Every dealership as a couple "on call". Why not cut out the middle man?
Yea I havent decided where to take it yet. I'm north east of Orlando. The dealer in nebraska will pay for it when I get it done so I want it done right if I get it done. Either of your guys do work in the orlando area, lol.

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ok I'm late to the party but you all know I'm chiming in on this, at least the comment of challenger quieter than charger. I've had 3 chargers, 2 stock and 1 with bullets (which was loud as can be) and now I have a challenger. it IS quieter and it drives me crazy. I removed the mid mufflers and put in magnaflow competitions (based on recommendation of a certain exhaust shop) and it sounded great but WAY too quiet. I ripped them off and installed the vibrant 1794's... much better but still about as loud as my 19 charger stock. then again, the 19 charger was DEFINITELY different than my 16 and 18, stock. deeper and louder. so who knows but I'm glad someone else has noticed so I'm not going crazy here LOL.All that being said, I think I'm at peace with it and at WOT its still sounds AMAZING
 
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Yea, it is a lot quieter. Still only have 125 miles on it though so maybe it will get louder? I'm still in the break in period, very noxious smell from the exhaust. The most noticeable lack of sound is on start up. My stock 2018 was the loudest stock start up I've ever heard. I had a 2013 and 2015 charger and challenger RT before the scat and they had virtually no noise at all. I dont think I'll be messing with the exhaust on the challenger but I am a bit bummed. Guess we all have to grow up sometime right? lol

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PDR guy said that he'd likely have to drill a hole after removing the fender liner to get to the dent. Unsure what to do. Small dent, noticeable to me but probably not immediately noticeable to most. Will still get a quote so I can charge the dealer, then maybe hold off on it until the car isnt brand new.

Ugh.


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#47 ·
To clarify; drill an access hole for the tool(s) to gain access to the void behind the dent - right? If so, this is a non-issue. Although likely not required, the small access hole can be covered permanently with a flexible patch.
 
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#46 ·
The dealer just called me and I told him about the pdr saying it required him to drill into it and he was like oh yeah, that's how we fix all of them. Even on new cars that get door dings. He was saying that they normally drill in through the door jam, if the guy can do it even drilling through the metal behind the fender liner then I guess I'll do it.

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#53 ·
For all; examine the dent very carefully. FOR PDF to be successful, the paint must:
- Not be fractured in any way
- No scratches / gouges; certainly not deep enough such that compounding will not be effective at removal (through the clear coat would be a good example)
 
#54 ·
Now I don't know what to do.

One guy said it cost $100, drilling the hole through the fender and plugging it. The other said $3-400 removing the rear seat and interior panels.

Money aside...

Do I trust them to not screw things up with the interior? Damn decisions...


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#55 · (Edited)
Now I don't know what to do.

One guy said it cost $100, drilling the hole through the fender and plugging it. The other said $3-400 removing the rear seat and interior panels.

Money aside...

Do I trust them to not screw things up with the interior? Damn decisions...

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Has FCA allowed you to choose who will do the work? Have you got that in writing? Also, will that Vendor be charging the controlling Dealership / FCA directly?
 
#56 ·
No, the dealer just said to get a quote and send it to them. Though they might fight me on the 300+ one since they probably know 100 bucks is the normal price. I guess I'll do the drill through the fender one because I dont want the interior to get screwed up, is there any thing the drill style of fix can do that would mess any thing else up? How do they know where to drill?

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No, the dealer just said to get a quote and send it to them. Though they might fight me on the 300+ one since they probably know 100 bucks is the normal price. I guess I'll do the drill through the fender one because I dont want the interior to get screwed up, is there any thing the drill style of fix can do that would mess any thing else up? How do they know where to drill?

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its an assumption on your part that the interior fascia will somehow be damaged; that's not the way reputable businesses operate - so don't go there. Nor would I take on any financial responsibility by paying out of pocket.
 
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Before you do anything, I would be ensuring this problem is indeed on the books (actually documented - to FCA's satisfaction) at the Dealership in question. In simple terms; with no documented history of this issue, along with taking on unapproved charges destined for the Dealership / FCA, you can be left holding the bag - no matter which process you elect to follow (with zero legal recourse)...

For everyone; always ALWAYS get written agreements of any type in writing. Do not take on responsibilities without the paperwork to back up verbal / goodwill conversations...
 
#59 ·
Before you do anything, I would be ensuring this problem is indeed on the books (actually documented - to FCA's satisfaction) at the Dealership in question...
Well I'm working under the assumption that it might be done well enough for most. But I'm insanely anal and if something rattles down the line it will drive me nuts.

Why do I have to tell FCA? I'm just working with the dealership.

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Hey, does anyone know if there is a way to turn off mds in the 2020s? I hate that there isn't a "sport" button anymore and that I have to click into the drive modes menu first but also I think my charger had an indicator that said when it was in 4cyl vs 8cyl and I dont see that in the 2020 challenger. I'm assuming that putting transmission in sport or track would turn it off tho.

Fyi, here is the intake temp (on a very hot day) with the headlight intake attached. I don't have a comparison temp though.


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Hey, does anyone know if there is a way to turn off mds in the 2020s? I hate that there isn't a "sport" button anymore and that I have to click into the drive modes menu first but also I think my charger had an indicator that said when it was in 4cyl vs 8cyl and I dont see that in the 2020 challenger. I'm assuming that putting transmission in sport or track would turn it off tho.
Easiest would be to set up a configuration with the transmission in Sport and then save it as your Custom mode, then anytime you don't want MDS just double click on the SRT drive modes button and it will go straight to Sport and no more MDS.

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Putting the shifter into manual mode works as well. I like Slidd's suggestion with custom mode. Another option is if you don't have ACC on your car, get a Tazer and the blank switch panel for the steering wheel. Then you can save some driving modes to those too.

For the 4cyl display, go to fuel economy page. It will show in the middle of the round gauge.
 
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The Rhombi air catcher headlamp is an “ illuminated hollow headlamp.” It is not a Mopar Cold Air Intake System. It doesn’t come with the cold air intake box or headlamp ventilation tube. The window sticker is correct if you have this headlamp . You can add the Mopar Cold Air Intake onto a SP vehicle utilizing the Rhombi Illuminated Headlamp! 🤙🏻[emoji41]


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