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#1 ·
Has anybody tried a pedal commander on a Challenger Scat Pack? And if you have what do you think, is it worth the money?

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The burnden of proof lies on the manufacturer/advertiser...NOT THE DAMN CONSUMER!!!!

The oil issue has arrisen before and tests/results were asked for as proof of it's claimed efficacy. They were not provided. The only thing that WAS provided was more hype and more unsubstantiated claims.

The same lies here with the pedal commander.

If you're going to advertise "20% increase in MPG", then prove it.

If you're going to advertise "Increase in throttle response"...prove it.

We already know there is no built in lag in our drive by wire systems. That being said, how can you improve something that doesn't even exist?

We already KNOW it alters the TPS signal to the PCM. Big deal, I can alter the TPS with my right foot...and that doesn't cost me $300+ and install time.

I'm sorry you got your feelings hurt by the truth, but it is what it is.

Burden of proof should NEVER lie on the consumers. Ever.

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Periodically on Forums, there is a line which goes something like: "...you trying to win an argument - or learn something?" In this case it's the fore.

With no evidence to counter or debate the actual topic at hand, inevitably Strawman tactics commence:

"A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.[SUP][1][/SUP] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP]
This technique has been used throughout history in
polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or a learned understanding of both sides of the issue.


Or, the conversation degrades to the point of marginalizing and attacking a person's character.

Frankly, I don't care if anyone wants to spend money on something without first understanding how it works. Its their money. I contribute because I know there is a sh!tload of Forum Members who place a great deal of value on facts. How do I know? Cause they take the time to corroborate and acknowledge by letting me know. Those folks far FAR outweigh the odd / infrequent closed-minded individual (we don't need those types here).

One thing you can take to the bank; I will not back down from countering and / or clearing the air when I read disinformation, fallacies or just plain ol' bullsh!t. As we read sometimes - its easy to spout off from behind a keyboard. We know if we were all standing in the same room, a lot of the bullsh!t we sometimes read here - would never be uttered.

So always take the high road...
 
#45 ·
As me being an actual owner of one i can tell you that its worth the money. Just buy one off amazon and try it. If you dont like it then send it back. But i am almost positive you will keep it. Everyone talking negative on it are the people that dont have it. There is a reason when you go to youtube and see good reviews on it because these people actually have one.

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As me being an actual owner of one i can tell you that its worth the money. Just buy one off amazon and try it. If you dont like it then send it back. But i am almost positive you will keep it. Everyone talking negative on it are the people that dont have it. There is a reason when you go to youtube and see good reviews on it because these people actually have one.

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You join LX forums today and your first two posts are to flog something and slag contributors for their knowledge - right outta the gate. How does youtube make your case?

Wait...do you own the company in question??
 
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#48 ·
I joined today and commented on something i actually own not just guessing. Your opinion is not valid on the subject if you never owned or tried it. Atleast my two posts are from an actual owners perspective not from someone rambling on about what they guess it feels like.

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I actually bring facts, not just an opinion. Given you have only three posts to your name, its clear you've not bothered to read the other threads on this sordid subject where those, including me, who do have first-hand experience with this silly / expensive gimmick. Do us all a favor, go read those threads in their entirety.

And no...the video you pointed to does not add any more credence than you and your first two posts :^)
 
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#49 ·
You should borrow one from someone that lives local or test drive one that has it installed. Thats the best way to get your answer. With out having those whom never used it, explain its its function without actually testing it. The forums will spam you with reasons not to buy instead of actually trying it out.

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#50 ·
I have one installed. The newer model has a bluetooth to change the settings. If you have a custom tune, they can tune the PC to match it. After having it for a month i can honestly say its useful it depends on how much and how hard you drive the car. Id say id recommend it to anyone who wants to try something different. Best part, if you dont like it, you can get money back.

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#52 ·
I've been dealing with Sean for years now , NEVER ONCE HAS HE RECOMMENDED A PC, just saying.

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Why are we back at this again? Jon, Simon.... we're not allowed to talk about this POS because we don't own one. Didn't you hear them?

We can't talk about the space shuttle either, because we're not astronauts.

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Advertising / marketing? Generate sales without being a paid vendor?

The concerted efforts by BrontoFaux here, and Thood03 in the other thread that just popped up outta nowhere to peddle / flog the device, and at the same time attempt to marginalize those who are pointing out the facts is pretty clear. Makes ya wonder who's behind it.

The fact remains; for $325USD a device that is installed between the gas pedal and the PCM is simply altering the pedal position signal that STILL goes through the PCM before it reaches the the throttle body. It simply plugs in between the gas pedal connector and the PCM.

It does not, nor will it ever alter any inherent transmission shift delays, make your car faster at any point during its application, save fuel, produce any more power or save puppies from a burning building.

Like I've stated previously; buy one and enjoy a facsimile - otherwise known as your right foot. It'll compliment nicely a throttle body spacer, E3 sparkplugs, turbonators, machined throttle bodies, strut towers / underbody braces and oh ya...boutique engine oil :^)

In the meantime, the rest of us who have a good, solid relationship with our right foot will continue living in the real world...

EDIT: I almost forgot; remember that cat and fake mouse I referred to? Go watch the video that was pointed to that flogs this device. Now tell me that ain't no cat. Its pretty darn funny; "...wait...wtf....wtf is GO'IN ON HERE?????
 
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Something most have not thought about I'm sure; sticking some aftermarket electronics between your foot and the engine - over and above what's already there?

No thanks.

I wonder what Insurance Providers would say...
 
#59 ·
Recently, in another thread a member observed by-way of data logs the fact that at WOT, the throttle momentarily closes just prior to shift events in order to take some short term loading out of the shift process (its a tuner issue).

The point being? Just how quickly the servo stepper motor and gearing within the throttle body responds to inputs - big or small.
 
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#60 ·
I’ve read a crap load of these pedal commander posts and seen all the arguments. It’s not available for my year truck but I wish it was. I think it’s way over priced for what it is. But I don’t like any lag whatsoever in my throttle. I like it very snappy and responsive, it makes a nicer “performance” feel when driving. Nothing gets on my nerves more then cruising down the highway and have to keep pushing the pedal more and more before it reacts. My truck was always pretty bad (especially before the tunes and tons of performance parts) about feeling like putting the pedal to the floor before it wanted to downshift and go somewhere. Not all cars are the same, I’m sure the 6.4 cars are way more responsive then a 5.7 truck. I normally have my throttle booster turned up all the way to 20% and it helps, but still could be better. I don’t think the idea of the PC making the WOT faster or faster off the line is the right angle, I think of it more of city driving and responsiveness. I think they should have been priced at like $100-$150, $300 is just insane. If I could I would pick up a used one and just enjoy a preppy throttle, but not think to myself it’s actually adding speed. My .0002...
 
#61 ·
just bought one P31 W/BT for 17 Charger SRT392, it's works, however..saved gas and MPG all that goodies only when you drive ECO mode...any other mode like City/Sport i am lost my MGP from 4-5 MPG...throwed my into a "LIMP" NOS mode twice...car drive like a retarded 20 miles stuck in 2nd gear can't get out got a pullover reset all error code wait 3 minutes at least kinda stupid in the middle of the road...but sure accelerated when driving Sport +3/+4 mode, faster then Sport Button or SuperTrak my MPG was at 12.1 or less driving Sport +3 or higher.. Support was terrible...about the issues,,,and they were saying because my installation was not correctly done...if installation was not done correctly how is it works anyhow...this is my personal opinion bad experiences...so ended up removed since i don't want any warranty void still under dealer services...anyone want this let me know mine was model P31 W/BT almost brand new...everything still unopened accepted the pedal for installed..everything still factory seal box...i also heard that is good for lower trim model such as SXT, R/T but SP,SRT392 and HC plenty of power and computer onboard also very sensitive for this kinds of stuffs will goes off anytime.
 
#65 ·
What the hell is your problem dude? Seriously.

Out of nowhere you just come in boasting about this thing telling us we can't have an opinion because we didn't waste our money on one.

Everything we've stated is fact. We explained exactly what it does and how it works...all of which can be done for free with a little pressure from the right foot.

You wait almost a year and come hoping up reviving this crap. Are you making money by peddling the gimmick? That's the ONLY reason I can think of.

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#66 ·
What the hell is your problem dude? Seriously.

Out of nowhere you just come in boasting about this thing telling us we can't have an opinion because we didn't waste our money on one.

Everything we've stated is fact. We explained exactly what it does and how it works...all of which can be done for free with a little pressure from the right foot.

You wait almost a year and come hoping up reviving this crap. Are you making money by peddling the gimmick? That's the ONLY reason I can think of.

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The problem is you telling someone not to have opinion based on your own.

I agree stated facts, but the goal was to actually help the OP. Not be biased.

Actually try it. Even If you knew how it works.

That's what the OP intended question was for.

Not once did I boast. I stated results based of me using it. Simple as that. You got butt hurt for no reason.

Lastly, theres no goal in reviving this nor money peddling. Litterlayy showing just how biased people can be. No hard feelings and I dont loose sleep off this.

I honestly have no clue who you are and dont care.

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#68 ·
LX Forums being trolled...once again.

Note there are other parts being peddled by miscreants who join forums, pretend to ask innocent questions about the parts they are flogging, then others chime in just how great those rip-off parts are.

All in the name of thieving hard-earned money from good folks who don't know better.
 
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LX Forums being trolled...once again.

Note there are other parts being peddled by miscreants who join forums, pretend to ask innocent questions about the parts they are flogging, then others chime in just how great those rip-off parts are.

All in the name of thieving hard-earned money from good folks who don't know better.
Also another off the wall response to the original OP but okay

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#69 ·
I agree with most... not worth the effort or money. Get a real tune.

Bought a used one (different brand) to test on my Corvette. Although it worked it dropped a code, easily reset. But, the big PITA was it would loose calibration, again easily redone. Sold it for what paid for it and moved on.
 
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#79 ·
In my personal talks with Sean it was never recommended to me with my fbo ram or my charger 392. I will say this , if I was in the business of selling parts , I'd probably be selling what people are buying too. If you haven't noticed from other forums , people will buy anything if it's sold right.

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The way I see it , there are “modders” and then there are enthusiasts. The modders will gain from this because they probably won’t go much further if at all. So it may very well have some worth to them for the effect. Enthusiasts however, know what the gains are and already plan on tuning along with whatever else gets them to their goals(probably not a PC, cough cough). So take it for what it is , some like it , some don’t. I for one , feel that it would be silly to add one to a 392. But may have some but dyno results for a 5.7, I wouldn’t know so I can’t speak on that. Maybe I’ll try it on the new Durango. So who wants to buy my new pc , because I doubt they’ll give a money back return. Oh , and obviously I won’t get full retail for it , so there’s that. I already lost and didn’t even try it yet, unless who knows , maybe I’ll like it.


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#80 ·
Sorry, the 'if you haven't experienced it you can't comment' argument is bull****. I've never experienced getting shot in the face, but I'm not signing up for that one, no matter how great you say it is. Buying and returning products that you already know how they work and what they do, is a waste of time. I value my time far too much to spend it on crap. Hell, I value my money too much for it too. Temporarily being out 350 plus dollars may mean that a forum member misses out on a deal or a sale for a part that actually matters to their build. Not to mention the 'return it if you don't like it' stuff is a gimmick, people are busy, and they are forgetful, so if they don't get this thing installed, tested, boxed and shipped back out within 30 days to get their money back. Missed the deadline? Out of luck buddy!
 
#83 ·
Chiming in as I just installed one.... If you say it's a gimmick or don't think it does squat fine... On my 5.7 RT it's a VAST VAST VAST improvement. You say you can do the same thing with your foot..... I'd love to see someone try. I can't. The throttle is much more responsive through the entire motion of the pedal. On sport+ & +4 I can burn the tires with a little throttle blip. When I mash the gas it surges & then surges even harder at high RPM. I can't even drive normally on this setting as the throttle is way to sensitive & touchy. I'm using sport & +2 for now & testing others over the week.
I got mine used..didn't pay anywhere near full price. Mounted it hidden under the dash & use the BT app to adjust.
 
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