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joseph
02-04-2007, 11:43 PM
UPDATE: forget the pepboys set, get this one: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=GOR%2D91944&N=700+0&autoview=sku READ POST #65 FOR PICTURES.

I found out the hard way, after having half of my stock lug nuts stripped and destroyed, that the stock lug nuts are good for nothing.
They are regular nuts covered with an aluminum cover shaped like a lug nut but they will break off, strip off, get stuck in the lug wrench, all kind of crap...
Last time I rotated my tires, half of them got destroyed and ended up in the trash so I went to pepboys with my wife's car and bought a whole set of lug nuts with locks for $29.99 (emergency situation)
This is no great write up, just some info I think should be shared with all.
Also, I don't know if they all come like this on all the different size wheels... but it's good info.

What is needed is 14x1.5, conical seat of 60 degree and bulge type.

joseph
03-08-2007, 07:40 AM
They have pictures here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?p=755193#post755193

FloridaRT
03-08-2007, 09:38 AM
Did you bother to compare the tapered seat width of the old lug nuts to the new ones?

I have yet to find a proper set of lug nut replacements, that have the wider width like the stock nuts do.

Take a long look.

Bob

wantit
03-08-2007, 10:30 AM
yes, fla. r/t you are right about the tapered seat being smaller. I have a set of gorilla locks, that I am afraid to put on, because of the difference in the size. I called gorilla direct, and even though they say they are correct, I'm still debating if I should put them on, or not.

FloridaRT
03-08-2007, 06:26 PM
yes, fla. r/t you are right about the tapered seat being smaller. I have a set of gorilla locks, that I am afraid to put on, because of the difference in the size. I called gorilla direct, and even though they say they are correct, I'm still debating if I should put them on, or not.


Yeah, I hear you. I have a set of Gorilla's also, plus a set from Summit and another set from ????? laying around in my garage. I just don't trust them enough to put them on.

Bob

cadzilla74
03-08-2007, 07:18 PM
If by "tapered" you mean the "acorn-shaped" curve where lug meets wheel....the stock curvature is 60 degrees. The lugs I got at Discount Tire for $1.25 each when I got the BFG's put on have the same taper. 14mm x 1.5 x 60 degree curve. They fit the stock 18" Mag wheels perfectly. I have no idea what brand they are...my regular Discount Tire guy is as big a fanatic as I am and he went the distance on these for me or I'd just be talkin' out my butt here.

joseph
03-08-2007, 07:53 PM
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da BoMM
03-08-2007, 08:17 PM
yes, fla. r/t you are right about the tapered seat being smaller. I have a set of gorilla locks, that I am afraid to put on, because of the difference in the size. I called gorilla direct, and even though they say they are correct, I'm still debating if I should put them on, or not.

Very interested in this comment -- I had NTB put Gorilla's on my SRT8 -- I too noticed they are narrower and much longer than the stock lugs -- it seems there are 2 Gorilla sets that will fit -- the 1st set he looked up he was out of stock on -- I wonder if that's a "better" set than the ones I ended up with.

FloridaRT
03-09-2007, 09:07 AM
I am talking about the actual width of the tapered seat of the lug nut that fits against the wheel. All the replacement lug nuts I have seen (that will actually bolt on) have a much narrower seat area - which to me, would dig into the rim, and not be safe. When I bought new tires, the guys installing them said they would NOT use the new lug nuts I had bought, as the seat area was too narrow - might cause damage to the rim.

So I am still using my original lug nuts, until I find a suitable replacement.

Bob

joseph
03-09-2007, 10:44 AM
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Carfinish
03-09-2007, 10:50 AM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h7/pjosephlv/Tires/th_100_1848.jpg (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h7/pjosephlv/Tires/100_1848.jpg)

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h7/pjosephlv/Tires/th_100_1851.jpg (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h7/pjosephlv/Tires/100_1851.jpg)

Joseph you have the condition that FRT is referring to...you can see a portion of the tapered hole on the rim...meaning that it is digging into the rim and not covering the full seat....I have a set of Gorilla nuts :wink: as well and have not put them on for this reason since I am using the stock 18s

FloridaRT
03-09-2007, 01:27 PM
Joseph you have the condition that FRT is referring to...you can see a portion of the tapered hole on the rim...meaning that it is digging into the rim and not covering the full seat....I have a set of Gorilla nuts :wink: as well and have not put them on for this reason since I am using the stock 18s

Glad someone else shares my thoughts...................nice color Magnum you have. I also have a Magnesium Pearl Magnum.

Bob

Carfinish
03-09-2007, 02:33 PM
Glad someone else shares my thoughts...................nice color Magnum you have. I also have a Magnesium Pearl Magnum.

Bob

right back atcha...thanks Bob

I wish they would make some after market nuts with proper seating....don't want to be stuck one day and spring is coming here and hopefully none of my nuts gets trashed even though I have a couple spares

Stell

05mgnm4espy
03-09-2007, 09:21 PM
The first change I made to the Mag was locking lug nuts from Les Schwab. In their kit, all the lug nuts were lockers. I never noticed any problem with them, even when I went from the stock rims to the Centerlines. Gives me food for thought, though.

joseph
03-11-2007, 03:20 AM
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cadzilla74
03-11-2007, 09:16 AM
As far as I know you want a 60 degree curve on the acorn to match the stock wheels...my lugs I got from Dsicount are one-piece stainless. Not sure if they can get locking ones...maybe ask the Discount Tire guy over in the Vendor aisle?

joseph
03-11-2007, 09:51 AM
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cadzilla74
03-11-2007, 10:07 AM
Joseph...man those things look RIGHT but it's so hard to say...they list the right specs except the seat...why don't company's specify this??? It's important...guess you have to call them...I wouldn't want to guess ALL acorn lugs in 14 x 1.5 are 60 degree. Measure twice, cut once, right?

FloridaRT
03-11-2007, 12:32 PM
As far as I know you want a 60 degree curve on the acorn to match the stock wheels...my lugs I got from Dsicount are one-piece stainless. Not sure if they can get locking ones...maybe ask the Discount Tire guy over in the Vendor aisle?


My local Discount Tire place does not carry any lug nuts and they don't do wheel alignments. What kind of tire store is this?

Bob

Carfinish
03-11-2007, 01:23 PM
So, should I get this set, it's the 60 degree base right?
http://estore.websitepros.com/802805/Detail.bok?no=1007


they are not right eve though they will fit...that's what I have and I did a comparison...they will still dig in

joseph
03-11-2007, 09:48 PM
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FloridaRT
03-12-2007, 08:14 AM
Wheel torque specs are over 100#, you sure you want to put that much pressure on a lug nut that does not fit properly?

The stock lug nuts have an extra wide seat, to take that much torque.

I will keep my stock lug nuts for now.

Bob

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03-12-2007, 08:51 PM
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03-14-2007, 02:42 PM
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Carfinish
03-14-2007, 04:34 PM
Joseph
I will take pics tomorrow of original from car and post up the diff...thanks for all your research


Stell

joseph
03-14-2007, 04:52 PM
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Carfinish
03-14-2007, 05:05 PM
I assume you're talking about the little crappy stock lug nut, right?
Is it apart too?

take pic of both...no...mine are still in great shape..surpisingly ...but I think one or two may be going south

NAS T MAG
03-14-2007, 05:15 PM
I'll be watching this thread. Just replaced my Winter wheels with the Summer ones. I had new tires installed at NTB and I asked them to hand torque the lug nuts. I don't think they did that. They were on very tight. I had to chisel off one of the covers on the stock nuts.

The stock lug nuts are 13/16" and I think maybe a 7/8" rounded the covers. Anyway, I threw all the stock nuts away. I want to get chrome replacements before Winter rolls around again.

FloridaRT
03-14-2007, 06:51 PM
I think the stock lug nuts are a metric size, not 13/16" - which will work in a pinch.

Bob

joseph
03-15-2007, 04:11 AM
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FloridaRT
03-15-2007, 10:28 AM
I would go with the second ones listed.

Bob

NAS T MAG
03-15-2007, 10:36 AM
I think the stock lug nuts are a metric size, not 13/16" - which will work in a pinch.

Bob

All I know is the 13/16" socket fits perfectly.

Carfinish
03-15-2007, 10:36 AM
Should I get this set: http://estore.websitepros.com/802805/Detail.bok?no=1007

or that one: http://estore.websitepros.com/802805/Detail.bok?no=884

I'll just keep the 4 locking lug nuts that came with the set from pepboys.
The 2 above sets have the long sidewall, should provide good equal pressure, and they're one piece.

Joseph I have the first ones you listed...same issue...I forgot to bring the camera in so i can't do pics until tomorrow



I would go with the second ones listed.

Bob


Bob,
the second ones listed are same except Longer....jason @ HHP says they do not look good because they stick out further....guess just a matter of taste on that.

will try to remember camera tomorrow.

Stell

joseph
03-15-2007, 01:21 PM
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cadzilla74
03-15-2007, 10:53 PM
The stock lugs are 21mm not 13/16ths...that's another mistake shop jocks make and it helps tear up the OEM's but good...and over $4 apiece for them, too...it's highway frigging robbery...

NAS T MAG
03-16-2007, 07:30 AM
I just went through a terrible time switching my wheels from the Winter ones to the Summer ones. I usually do my own rotation every 5000 miles with no issues.

The Winter wheels were mounted at NTB when I bought new tires. There were only 3500 miles on the tires when I went to put the Summer ones on. I've always used a combination lug wrench that has two ended sockets, but they are not metric sizes. I'm sure you've checked out the correct lug dimensions at 21mm. For all the other rotations I've done, the 13/16ths worked fine.

My first concern was that a tremdous amount of effort was required to remove the first wheel (front), but all the nuts were removed. My problems developed on the next wheel {rear) when the socket would not fit over the nut. I think what happened is the nuts were overtightened by NTB and it slightly rounded the edges of the outer cap. A 7/8" was too sloppy to work. I had to chisel off the decorative cap that covers the actual nut. It wasn't hard to do. Just punch a hole in the cover and keep prying it open until you can get a grip with needle nose pliers to work it off. The polished cover is very thin. I used the 13/16" socket to remove the actual nut.

I torque the nuts to 110 ft/lbs. I don't know how careful tire shops are when tightening these nuts to the correct ft/lbs. I pitched all the original nuts because I am going to chrome the originals and will need to buy chrome lug nuts.

Now I hope one of you figure out the best ones that will work for me when I buy new ones. Thanks for all the input.

joseph
03-16-2007, 08:45 PM
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BToohey44
03-17-2007, 03:56 AM
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/gor-91147.jpg

Here is a pic of the Gorilla Lug Nuts I used when I bought a set of take-off R/T Rims. SummitRacing part # GOR-91147

joseph
03-17-2007, 10:47 AM
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jbp-ohio
03-17-2007, 11:50 AM
http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/gor-91147.jpg

Here is a pic of the Gorilla Lug Nuts I used when I bought a set of take-off R/T Rims. SummitRacing part # GOR-91147

I got the same for the G/F's Charger when I put her Daytona rims on. Held beside the stock R/T lug from my Magnum, they looked almost identical. They are constructed the same. Only difference is the stock lugs are $4+, while the Gorilla's are $5 for 4..............

I'm pretty sure the Gorilla's are 13/16" and not 21mm.............. ?

I think I see the difference! The conical seat type on the lugs you want are bulge, the type you have are standard. That is what it looks like to me using the SummitRacing site..............

jbp-ohio
03-17-2007, 12:10 PM
Summit Racing part # GOR-91944 . 24 lugs with 4 locks and chrome valve stems in a kit for $24.99

BToohey44
03-17-2007, 12:29 PM
I'm pretty sure the Gorilla's are 13/16" and not 21mm.............. ?


Yes the Gorilla lugs are 13/16 not 21mm.

Batman
03-17-2007, 01:02 PM
I also went with Gorilla's but didn't like how one nut on each wheels looked different from the others. Lucky Gorilla makes a 20 set locking system where every nut is a locker using the same locking socket which is provider. Below is the link if interested.

http://www.gorilla-auto.com/products/?sfID1=259&sfID2=292&productName=The+System&image=6232.jpg (http://www.gorilla-auto.com/products/?sfID1=259&sfID2=292&productName=The+System&image=6232.jpg)

NAS T MAG
03-17-2007, 02:02 PM
Summit Racing part # GOR-91944 . 24 lugs with 4 locks and chrome valve stems in a kit for $24.99

Thanks,

See you in May?

Tom

joseph
03-18-2007, 02:53 AM
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03-18-2007, 02:58 AM
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FloridaRT
03-18-2007, 07:49 AM
Here it is, it seems perfect, I'm ordering them, conical seat, bulge, 60 angle, and for all it comes with, the price is great, I think we have a winner here: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=GOR%2D91944&N=700+0&autoview=sku


Good luck, those still have the narrow seats, as compared to the original lugs.

Bob..............had a 96' Impala SS

jbp-ohio
03-18-2007, 09:03 AM
Good luck, those still have the narrow seats, as compared to the original lugs.

I had a R/T lug in my pocket when we went to Summit to get the lugs for her Charger. I compared it to the Gorilla's while in the pack, they looked the same to me.

joseph
03-18-2007, 09:35 AM
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03-18-2007, 09:38 AM
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FloridaRT
03-18-2007, 12:17 PM
Okay, here is a photo of the lugs I have tried so far. Not the best picture, had to use my old camera.

Bottom lug is the stocker, the one to the right is from Gorilla(I think), the one to the left of stock is from Summit, The top 2 are different locks I tried. Best locks are from the dealer, BTW.

Hard to see, but only the stocker has the wide seat. The others are narrow.

Bob

BToohey44
03-18-2007, 01:01 PM
I don't have the stock lugnut I used for comparison anymore but what I remember was that the seat of both the stocker and gorilla were the same. But the stocker had an extra rib (as shown on Bob's pic) which to me appears to just fill the gap in the wheel. Because the seats were identical, as were the depth they both sat in the wheel.

I think the rib on the stocker is to hold that cover they put on it on.

My rims (R/T) have been secured with the Gorilla's for over 6 months now with no issues.

Here is a website saying they fit for a 2005 up Magnum http://www.sfxperformance.com/parts/GOR91147SS-20.htm

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03-18-2007, 04:49 PM
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03-18-2007, 04:54 PM
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jbp-ohio
03-18-2007, 07:47 PM
Thanks,

See you in May?

Tom

Took a vacation day!! :pepper:

da BoMM
03-18-2007, 08:14 PM
Here's the GORILLA lug NTB sold me vs the STOCK lug (put on the SRT8, although I think the same stock lugs are used on the RT)

The seat is not as "wide" but the angle (60 degrees) is correct --
I don't think there's any issue, unless there's something I don't know. BTW theres 5 locking GORILLA lugs on each wheel.

Any of you LUG NUT experts out there?

MikeEast
03-18-2007, 10:17 PM
Not to muddy the waters any further, but how about a shot of the suspects placed end-to-end?

Interesting discussion, that's why I like this place...

Mike

joseph
03-19-2007, 01:08 AM
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Batman
03-19-2007, 01:13 AM
I checked it out, there is no magnum listed in the search, and is it acorn or acorn bulge that we need?

I'll probably get what jpb recommends (GOR-91944)

I ordered it for the 300. works fine for the maggies. Have had mine on for almost 2 years now.

DaddyGoFast
03-19-2007, 01:14 AM
I just bought a set of Gorillas. I only put 1 on each wheel though. I liked these the best as they do not make a key that is the same. The Mopar locks seem like they all share the same key.

They guy at the auto parts store, Tognottis, here in Sac said that they would fit. They did. I torqued them to 115 per the spec on the mopar ones.

What are you torque'ing them to?

Batman
03-19-2007, 01:30 AM
Here's the GORILLA lug NTB sold me vs the STOCK lug (put on the SRT8, although I think the same stock lugs are used on the RT)

The seat is not as "wide" but the angle (60 degrees) is correct --
I don't think there's any issue, unless there's something I don't know. BTW theres 5 locking GORILLA lugs on each wheel.

Any of you LUG NUT experts out there?

Mine look just like that but half (1/2) the length. Those look kinda long.

FloridaRT
03-19-2007, 08:21 AM
Okay, use whatever you feel comfortable with.

Just one last thing to consider.

Make sure that your stock lug wrench will fit onto your new lug nuts or wheel locks. Nothing like getting a flat and finding out that your lug wrench doesn't fit your new wheel lugs.

Good luck,

Bob

da BoMM
03-19-2007, 08:41 AM
Mine look just like that but half (1/2) the length. Those look kinda long.


These were the only ones this NTB location had in stock -- they are rather LONG.
I didn't want to wait to get LOCKING LUGS on my wheels, and figured I can get another set when I pin down a "better" set.

I think I want a shorter locking lug in BLACK -- I will call Gorilla when I get around to it. (Someone's said it already -- they don't list the Magnum in their website).

jbp-ohio
03-19-2007, 10:04 AM
What are you torque'ing them to?

Says 110#'s in the owners manual..

joseph
03-21-2007, 06:12 PM
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jbp-ohio
03-21-2007, 09:02 PM
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h7/pjosephlv/Tires/th_100_1908.jpg (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h7/pjosephlv/Tires/100_1908.jpg)


Looks like the Gorilla has about 80% of the surface area of the stock lug. I feel confident with that.

quarky42
03-23-2007, 10:46 AM
Thanks for finding these. I ordered some too.

DaddyGoFast
03-25-2007, 11:47 AM
Are you guys doing just one per wheel or did you order the the 20 piece set and do a locker on each bolt?

I use the gorilla and only used one on each wheel. I am wondering if I should get the whole set.

Thoughts?

joseph
03-25-2007, 02:25 PM
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taki
03-29-2007, 06:14 PM
For those wanting OEM replacements at a cheaper price, these appear to be very similar:

http://www.ezaccessory.com/Stainless_Steel_Lug_Nuts_p/1709lss.htm

Charg-um
03-29-2007, 07:45 PM
UPDATE: forget the pepboys set, get this one: http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=GOR%2D91944&N=700+0&autoview=sku

I found out the hard way, after having half of my stock lug nuts stripped and destroyed, that the stock lug nuts are good for nothing.
They are regular nuts covered with an aluminum cover shaped like a lug nut but they will break off, strip off, get stuck in the lug wrench, all kind of crap...
Last time I rotated my tires, half of them got destroyed and ended up in the trash so I went to pepboys with my wife's car and bought a whole set of lug nuts with locks for $29.99 (emergency situation)
This is no great write up, just some info I think should be shared with all.
Also, I don't know if they all come like this on all the different size wheels... but it's good info.

What is needed is 14x1.5, conical seat of 60 degree and bulge type.


These are what I have on 001, haven't ordered them for 002 yet. I put them on every set of wheels I own.. Love em, recomend em !:thumbs_u:

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03-29-2007, 11:12 PM
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04-01-2007, 08:19 AM
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FloridaRT
04-01-2007, 04:32 PM
Bad news, my lug nuts stripped off on one wheel during a hard turn and the wheel came off, almost died, got a tow truck to take it to a local mechanic, will see what I do to fix it.


Hope that this is an April Fools joke.....................

Bob

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04-01-2007, 08:45 PM
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juanitorus
08-16-2007, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by josephhttp://www.lxforums.com/board/images/bbcodemanager/simple/link.gif (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?p=797999#post797999)



Bad news, my lug nuts stripped off on one wheel during a hard turn and the wheel came off, almost died, got a tow truck to take it to a local mechanic, will see what I do to fix it.






Hope that this is an April Fools joke.....................

Bob

Is this for real or just a joke. I was about to order this until I saw this. I see that he has been banned and so I can't read his response to the question.

Batman
08-16-2007, 11:56 PM
This thread still lives??? Yeah, it was a joke and a bad one.

stunna12927
02-01-2009, 03:00 PM
The reason the seat on the original compared to gorrilla looks bigger really the cap on the OEM nut tricks your eye. Do you really trust a cap that comes off as being the bigger part of the nut that is going to hold your rim on that is stupid. The gorrilla ones I believe will work fine...Any opinions are welcomed

AIRWOLF
09-12-2010, 08:48 PM
Must get it!

10ChallSRT8
10-31-2011, 06:18 PM
The original link in OPs first post just takes you to Summit home page. Searching for 14mm x 1.5 RH 60 degree bulge netted several sets that will work. I'm looking at ordering a set of 24 (PN#91944) that includes the lock lugs and key for $31.99.

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/gor-91944_w.jpg
Gorilla Automotive 91944 - Gorilla Wheel Installation Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/GOR-91944/)