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FlyByU
03-15-2015, 01:15 PM
https://www.facebook.com/HPTuners


pretty nice gains with just a basic adjustment.

FlyByU
03-15-2015, 01:15 PM
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FlyByU
03-15-2015, 01:16 PM
https://youtu.be/AkFL1scP6Rs

TNCHARGER
03-15-2015, 01:29 PM
Dan I saw that in another thread but there is no mention of it on HP's website?

legmaker
03-15-2015, 01:50 PM
will there be some kind of introduction of a handheld for the masses, or software, or something??? i guess i am just a bit skeptical, but that is likely due to being around this platform for so long and recalling all the drama that seemed to go on with getting tuning for the genI's, gen II,s' etc. If HP is the real deal with the Hemi stuff, then this could be a game changer.

hd7585
03-15-2015, 06:52 PM
So..........the Hellcat doesnt have enough HP ?????

someotherguy
03-15-2015, 07:18 PM
So..........the Hellcat doesnt have enough HP ?????
Is there such a thing?! :mrgreen:

Remember, the factory setup is designed to be hammered on for extended periods without breaking. If a tuner can get in and make changes then that should open the door to a lot more power, some of it still likely in the "reliable" range, before stuff starts coming apart.

Richard

Classy
03-16-2015, 12:41 PM
It is a beta release. Not all the tables are unlocked yet. I am so glad that there is another tuner besides Diablo now!

MrC1
03-16-2015, 03:11 PM
So..........the Hellcat doesnt have enough HP ?????

Seriously? Of course not.

cortlandt.neely
03-16-2015, 03:46 PM
You guys. If dodge had a rocket to strap on your car's. Lol. Y'all would try to boost the rocket. I love mopar people.

ICLOSEM
03-16-2015, 03:53 PM
You guys. If dodge had a rocket to strap on your car's. Lol. Y'all would try to boost the rocket. I love mopar people.

Or at least try and fit on another rocket :thumbs_u:

RonVpr
03-16-2015, 04:01 PM
Hell, If I could find one that the dealer isn't gouging on price, I would have a Hellcat by now. But alas, they are not taking anymore orders until September

EvilSRT
03-16-2015, 04:19 PM
So..........the Hellcat doesnt have enough HP ?????


Hahaha. This guy.

Illinois Chaos
03-16-2015, 04:31 PM
It's not JUST for the Hellcat.

lafrad
03-16-2015, 05:07 PM
HPTuners is a *very different* type of tuner than the Diablosport is.

There is no "Handheld" for HPTuners. You buy an interface device, then get the software. You get credits for your car and YOU TUNE YOUR CAR.

It does provide nice support for saving the tune, you can e-mail the files around, and there is a great community around how tuning should work... but... its not the same model as a Handheld with pre-set tunes.

The software itself, for adjusting the tune, is great! I personally like working in it more than Diablosport's CMR. The "Email Tune" feature just doesn't work for it, however... so... yea. win some, lose some.

FlyByU
03-16-2015, 10:45 PM
Thanks for the input Mike, lots of unknowns to most of us, just what we've heard.

rzrsedge
03-16-2015, 10:48 PM
Love it for the GM and wish it was further along for the Dodge stuff. It's coming along in leaps and bounds though. When tcm support gets here and a few more supported configs for logging it will be the program to have IMHO.

ChuckWagon
03-17-2015, 07:59 PM
I'd like to buy it and start learning how things work in the tuning world. It's affordable and with some guidance, I could begin learning how tuning is done and maybe, someday, know enough to make changes..little ones...

Blown7
03-17-2015, 08:31 PM
HP tuners explains what the changes do

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c96/Blown7/ScreenHunter_17 Mar. 17 18.20.gif (http://s25.photobucket.com/user/Blown7/media/ScreenHunter_17 Mar. 17 18.20.gif.html)






CMR doesn't.

IMHO HP will never be as advanced as CMR .....for example you'll always need Diablosport to change gear ratio....... HP Tuners will never have that option.

FlyByU
03-17-2015, 08:43 PM
Well hopefully they prove you wrong :) IMHO

rzrsedge
03-17-2015, 10:59 PM
They've been pursuing Dodge aggressively as of late, so I don't think they would go this far and skimp on the end result.

Illinois Chaos
03-17-2015, 11:57 PM
I'm having my car tuned with it.

370 Dart
03-18-2015, 12:50 AM
Best thing in my opinion is there are a couple dudes locally that have the HP software already, just need to get them the Mopar stuff. I have been at a dyno session at a Callaway Vette dealership and the guy running the dyno tuning my buddies LS3 said he can get 20RWHP out of any stock ECM GM car with his tune. Torque is usually right there or 30ft lbs +. I bet he is one that will get the Mopar codes first around here.

rzrsedge
03-18-2015, 07:19 AM
I can say that I'm pretty familiar tuning GM LS engines; but the Dodge stuff is an entirely different animal. Obviously the same principles apply; but the execution is considerably different. I know there are plenty of capable tuners that will do well with the software. There is just a learning curve in the Mopar computer.

bryan24207
03-18-2015, 05:40 PM
i like the shop that says they cracked the hellcat, can't even tune a 392 hemi. or even get the name between charger or challenger right. they recently tuned a 392 with heads, cam, intake, headers, exhaust and only made 464hp...

FlyByU
03-18-2015, 09:31 PM
We need some of our go to current hemi tuners to get their hands on this. Its happening :)

OsO
03-18-2015, 09:57 PM
i like the shop that says they cracked the hellcat, can't even tune a 392 hemi. or even get the name between charger or challenger right. they recently tuned a 392 with heads, cam, intake, headers, exhaust and only made 464hp...

LOL, then your really going to like the work they did to get a cam only 6.1 to idle, I say they are entitled to use the word hack:mrgreen:.




http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p299/ONESHORTOF/IMAG0515.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/ONESHORTOF/media/IMAG0515.jpg.html)

lu047w
03-18-2015, 10:00 PM
LOL, then your really going to like the work they did to get a cam only 6.1 to idle, I say they are entitled to use the word hack:mrgreen:.




http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p299/ONESHORTOF/IMAG0515.jpg (http://s131.photobucket.com/user/ONESHORTOF/media/IMAG0515.jpg.html)

That's a joke right?

lu047w
03-18-2015, 10:09 PM
Nope.

That "shop" should be blacklisted.

Myhemi
03-18-2015, 10:39 PM
I just added hptuners to my 2012 challenger 5.7 and lots better than diablow, fast upload too

modernmuscle
03-18-2015, 11:19 PM
I just added hptuners to my 2012 challenger 5.7 and lots better than diablow, fast upload too

Coming on here trying to bash another company when HP tuners is 8 years late to the party is not going to get you to far.

Myhemi
03-19-2015, 05:57 AM
No bashing.....just said I like it better than diablo

Blown7
03-19-2015, 07:31 AM
Well hopefully they prove you wrong :) IMHO

Unless they change their mode of flashing .....and that would require a full rewrite of their flashing software/hardware it ain't gonna happen. They need to talk to the FCM/TIPM to make the other changes than the engine calibration.


I just added hptuners to my 2012 challenger 5.7 and lots better than diablow, fast upload too

Nothings any different.... they have access to the same tables in the PCM just a better GUI for the novice/uninformed.

Myhemi
03-19-2015, 04:28 PM
So diablo tune one yet?

HULK
03-19-2015, 04:54 PM
So diablo tune one yet?

I have been asking if HPT tuned a Hemi for YEARS. Take your fanboy nonsense elsewhere if you can't constructively participate in a conversation over here.

Blown7
03-19-2015, 06:33 PM
Now the truth comes out more BS..

Not the factory PCM .

Big deal... Remember when you had to install a 2012 ish PCM to tune a 2013 car ....

Now you have to use another PCM flash other than the factory 2015 OEM PCM

notton_08
03-19-2015, 06:38 PM
Now the truth comes out more BS..

Not the factory PCM .

Big deal... Remember when you had to install a 2012 ish PCM to tune a 2013 car ....

Now you have to use another PCM flash other than the factory 2015 OEM PCM

Any documentation on that? Forgive my ignorance, but by swapping the PCM, wouldn't you lose the performance page, and all the features with it? If so, then it's totally not worth the 36HP.

AvantSRT8
03-19-2015, 07:30 PM
Now the truth comes out more BS..

Not the factory PCM .

Big deal... Remember when you had to install a 2012 ish PCM to tune a 2013 car ....

Now you have to use another PCM flash other than the factory 2015 OEM PCM

Wat!?

If true, that's some bogus stuff.

Blown7
03-20-2015, 10:40 AM
Yea read the other thread on here or go to ....

http://www.hellcat.org/threads/hellcat-ecu-unlocked.4578/page-7

Myhemi
03-20-2015, 10:51 AM
Same thing happened to tune the first 2011 cars....

Hemissary
03-20-2015, 11:05 AM
Blown7's right; very misleading on their part and disappointing...more internet bullsh!t in an attempt to make a name for themselves that folks are already buying into.

AvantSRT8
03-20-2015, 11:45 AM
Yea read the other thread on here or go to ....

http://www.hellcat.org/threads/hellcat-ecu-unlocked.4578/page-7

I'm still unclear. Are they reflashing a stock OEM 2015 HC PCM and switching it out or are they swapping in a pre-2013 PCM and flashing that?

Basically, have they cracked the 2014+ PCM's or not?

I'll reserve judgement whether they intentionally led us to believe they cracked the HC PCM tuning issues, but it is still exciting news nonetheless.


edit:
Although when you title your youtube vid "HellCat ECU unlocked" ... it doesn't help clear up the confusion. lol

AvantSRT8
03-20-2015, 12:01 PM
Nevermind, I see the other thread.

Voted: misleading, at best.

Myhemi
03-20-2015, 12:35 PM
You cant get a blank pcm from chrysler.....the pcm is still a hellcat one since it works in the car, and the only pcm to work with a supercharger from chrysler

Diablo never got ripped on in 2011 for doing this

Myhemi
03-20-2015, 12:48 PM
HP Tuners added 2 new photos.
Yesterday at 2:32pm ·
The first two Hellcats to have their DNA altered!!!


Without the ability to alter a late model vehicle's PCM making changes to the engine is fruitless. HP Tuners realizes this and has been hard at work adding support for the Big 3's latest offerings. The most challenging has been the 2015 Dodge Hellcat. On Friday the 13th, 2015, HP Tuners worked with Serious Horsepower and Unleashed Tuning so two such Hellcat's could have their DNA altered.


Unleashed Tuning-Torrie McPhail
Stock 647WHP 585 WTQ
Unleashed 680 WHP 616 WTQ


Serious Horsepower
Stock 652 WHP 585 WTQ
Serious Tuned 687 RWP 611 WTQ


Given the talent behind the keyboard and different weather conditions between Toledo, Oh and Houston, TX HP Tuners is confident that these gains are representative of what a stock Hellcat can do with a tune, and HP Tuners is proud to be the FIRST to offer it!

"they mention the pcm above" (without the ability, no misleading)

Hemissary
03-20-2015, 12:48 PM
You cant get a blank pcm from chrysler.....the pcm is still a hellcat one since it works in the car, and the only pcm to work with a supercharger from chrysler

Diablo never got ripped on in 2011 for doing this

Diablosport did not outright LIE about it by claiming(!) to have cracked the 2015 Hellcat ECM. Fools...

Myhemi
03-20-2015, 12:49 PM
No lieing check the facebook page for hptuners

AvantSRT8
03-20-2015, 12:55 PM
Sounds like you have a lot invested in this HP tuning thing.

Myhemi
03-20-2015, 01:40 PM
Nop just the truth

Vagabond
03-20-2015, 04:09 PM
Bit confused, which truth would that be, the truth spun by HP or the ACTUAL truth where they didnt crack the code at all?

TNCHARGER
03-20-2015, 04:35 PM
HP Tuners added 2 new photos.
Yesterday at 2:32pm ·
The first two Hellcats to have their DNA altered!!!


Without the ability to alter a late model vehicle's PCM making changes to the engine is fruitless. HP Tuners realizes this and has been hard at work adding support for the Big 3's latest offerings. The most challenging has been the 2015 Dodge Hellcat. On Friday the 13th, 2015, HP Tuners worked with Serious Horsepower and Unleashed Tuning so two such Hellcat's could have their DNA altered.


Unleashed Tuning-Torrie McPhail
Stock 647WHP 585 WTQ
Unleashed 680 WHP 616 WTQ


Serious Horsepower
Stock 652 WHP 585 WTQ
Serious Tuned 687 RWP 611 WTQ


Given the talent behind the keyboard and different weather conditions between Toledo, Oh and Houston, TX HP Tuners is confident that these gains are representative of what a stock Hellcat can do with a tune, and HP Tuners is proud to be the FIRST to offer it!

"they mention the pcm above" (without the ability, no misleading)

Torrie is a good friend of mine though I haven't been in touch with him for over a year. I will get the 411 on this from him. He is a tuning wizard mainly for Ford but he also developed the SCT tuner for the Vipers when there was nothing else.

Quick
03-20-2015, 05:10 PM
Sounds like you have a lot invested in this HP tuning thing.

I thought that at first too but now I'm thinking maybe he has some personal bone to pick with DS.

Speedlogix Sales
03-20-2015, 05:20 PM
HP Tuners added 2 new photos.
Yesterday at 2:32pm ·
The first two Hellcats to have their DNA altered!!!


Without the ability to alter a late model vehicle's PCM making changes to the engine is fruitless. HP Tuners realizes this and has been hard at work adding support for the Big 3's latest offerings. The most challenging has been the 2015 Dodge Hellcat. On Friday the 13th, 2015, HP Tuners worked with Serious Horsepower and Unleashed Tuning so two such Hellcat's could have their DNA altered.


Unleashed Tuning-Torrie McPhail
Stock 647WHP 585 WTQ
Unleashed 680 WHP 616 WTQ


Serious Horsepower
Stock 652 WHP 585 WTQ
Serious Tuned 687 RWP 611 WTQ


Given the talent behind the keyboard and different weather conditions between Toledo, Oh and Houston, TX HP Tuners is confident that these gains are representative of what a stock Hellcat can do with a tune, and HP Tuners is proud to be the FIRST to offer it!

"they mention the pcm above" (without the ability, no misleading)

That does not say they are switching PCMs.....

I hope both Diablosport and HPTuners have offerings to be honest. Options are not bad things.

But I do wish they came out and said before the numbers were released that they did swap the PCM...either it be a Hellcat one or a blank one. Thats all they had to do.

Myhemi
03-20-2015, 11:36 PM
Give you that and first logical post in this thread

TNCHARGER
03-21-2015, 12:27 AM
Torrie at Uleashed Tuning told me they did flash the OEM ECU....but this is very limited..

Quick
03-21-2015, 01:40 AM
Heh, that's not so bad if they flashed the OEM ECU with at least some changes.


(too bad Myhemi has given them such a bad rep already.)

Myhemi
03-21-2015, 07:36 AM
I posted a direct email from them earlier stating that about the ecu

hey any rep is publicity

just bad rep in your opinion

Myhemi
03-21-2015, 07:38 AM
Here it is again for you.....

"Pcm's need to be modified internally by us to be able to read/flash them, basically they send us their pcm or a spare we make the mods and from there they can flash the pcm.

Thanks,
William Henn
HP Tuners LLC.

Quick
03-21-2015, 11:14 AM
Here it is again for you.....

"Pcm's need to be modified internally by us to be able to read/flash them, basically they send us their pcm or a spare we make the mods and from there they can flash the pcm.

Thanks,
William Henn
HP Tuners LLC.

In that case maybe you can expand on "Pcm's need to be modified internally by us to be able to read/flash them".
If you have to modify them internally before you can read/flash them then that implies physically modifying them.
Are you completely gutting them and simply using the case and connector?
Are you replacing the processor and ROM?
What exactly does "internally modify" mean?
You don't need to divulge any trade secrets. Just tell us how much "OEM" is left before you flash them?

Myhemi
03-21-2015, 11:24 PM
Don't know and don't care, not a tuner, just see a product that has made it first on the block, i would send them a spare computer, than have the stock one....too

again not any different than what arrington has done and others

legmaker
03-21-2015, 11:54 PM
smh.......

1FST4DR
03-22-2015, 09:23 AM
SO basically they are doing what B&G has been doing for years... And what Arrington has been doing with there little black box. If this is the case, although another option it wont be for everyone..Im also curious as to why they would go after the Hellcat. The 2015 5.7s/6.4s would be where the money is at IMO. Again Im speculating...

Myhemi
03-22-2015, 09:32 AM
Hellcats are the exception which this thread is about, wheree you have to send your pcm in

Hptuners can do 05-14 model years mopars, just like my 12 challenger rt, and this tuning is normal just plugin the hptuners and you are done, no sending out the pcm for non hellcats

The hpt on my challenger is lots better, specially the driving part, and how the car behaves more like factory

Myhemi
03-22-2015, 09:32 AM
So yes hptuners has 05-14 model years figured out also

Blown7
03-22-2015, 02:46 PM
What exactly does "internally modify" mean?
You don't need to divulge any trade secrets. Just tell us how much "OEM" is left before you flash them?

What they are doing or AJ or even Diablosport can do this..... and I've been doing this for 5 years myself with the NGC4 PCM's is..

You take the bootloader code made by FCA Powertrain engineering for a particular make/model of vehicle for a Freescale MPC 5XXX series processor, compiled by FCA that hasn't been "rolling code encrypted" like the later model PCM's that DS hasn't supported yet... because of the rolling encryption.

Then take the calibration of the Hellcat and then flash that modifed bootloader/calibration firmware into the Hellcat PCM.

Wala... tune the Hellcat with the rolling encryption roadblock removed......then go online get praise from all sides.

However the OEM PCM can't be hacked as ever..............

As for internals all are not touched ..not even the PCM is not even opened.




Don't know and don't care, not a tuner

Then you really should stay out of threads that require some sort of intelligent input.

Myhemi
03-22-2015, 02:52 PM
Get em yeah i don't care on a hellcat i don't own one

you don't know either blown7?

LSU300SRT8
03-30-2015, 07:09 AM
Can someone sum up what actually happened. Most of the technical stuff is beyond my knowledge, So I am completely lost as to what was actually done.

gfr-300SRT8
03-30-2015, 11:29 AM
I think blown already described what "might be able" be done. I know on my pcm hhp had someone flash it with a cal that is for a std trans so I could stick the th400 in there. I think there are several cases where the pcms have been re-flashed to overwrite the factory original tune. Unless HPTuners comes out and gives a play by play it's all speculation and I doubt they are going to do that...

notton_08
03-30-2015, 11:42 AM
Can someone sum up what actually happened. Most of the technical stuff is beyond my knowledge, So I am completely lost as to what was actually done.

From what I've gathered, simply plugging the HP tuner in and performing a custom tune out of the box is not possible yet (like how we use out intunes and trinity). The way they tuned the hellcat was to order a blank PCM from FCA and write their own tables with the tuner and swap it into the car. It's not cracking anything, it's just writing to a blank.

Big RobsR/T
04-14-2015, 01:44 PM
First hellcat tuned with e85. Looks like they added a boost-a-pump and new injectors and tuned with HPTuners.

https://youtu.be/eYjA8h8s5Mo

ramryder77
04-15-2015, 01:26 PM
Well that is pretty impressive. I would like to know more about what changes they are making.