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Northern Rider
04-02-2013, 08:58 AM
It has been a long, cold winter and my baby's been off the road since February, getting suited up for a 9 race series starting May 4th. Here's the series we are running: Calabogie GT Challenge (http://www.300cforums.com/forums/road-course/103705-calabogie-gt-challenge.html)

She's back home now. Not much left to do - mount summer tires (1 set for track; 1 set for daily driving); set up alignment front and rear for some serious negative camber on the track; then do some custom tuning on the ECM and probably install a Tranzformer TCM tuner to set up shifting at the track.

At the end of last season, we managed a 2nd place finish in our class and needed to address 2 important issues:

1. Suspension adjustments for more negative camber

Late last summer we put on adjustable front upper control arms

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And immediately we started to run at the front of the pack as to lap times.

So . . . we needed a solution for the back wheels, as well. I was in South Florida in January, so I dropped into SpeedLogix in West Palm Beach to see Lisa and Mikey.

It just so happened, they had a brand new, custom engineered set of neat adjustable rear control arms -
Speedlogix Adjustable Billet Rear Control Arms 05-13 Challenger, Charger, 300, Magnum
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Here's the rear cradle down with the new arms (black) installed

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Hopefully, we'll get even more grip in the corners!

While we had the cradle down, we installed 2 new halfshafts, just as a precaution, as one has been leaking since an "incident" at California Motor Speedway back in 08. The shafts came from Speedlogix as well at a very good price.

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2. Engine cooling!

The 6.1 running at 4500 to 6200 rpm was overheating. This meant short-shifting and giving up way too much hp and torque to our competitors.

The answer, after much research, pointed to custom fitting a large Fluidyne cooler to a sandwich plate installed at the oil filter take off.

Here's the big new cooler, just after I painted her flat black (for stealth reasons http://www.300cforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif )
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Here she is installed above the bumper. We put in a new heavy duty rad, while we where at it:

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Some of you may know that I have been running Eibach Multi Pro R2 coilovers and have been quite happy with them - until late last summer. The Pedder's sway bar ripped off the RF strut bracket. I ran the last 2 races with no front swaybar!

We contacted Eibach last fall. They asked us to send back the 2 front struts. They then sent us back 2 new struts with a heavy, redesigned lower bracket for the end link attachment. All under warranty.

Now that is service! Here is a pic of the new strut bracket:
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This week we will put on our track rims; install 2 new tires and get everything aligned to race specs

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Finally, a big thanks to Ian Madden, owner of Metric Auto Services in Ottawa - and a damn fast racer, himself!

I would not put this amount of time, effort and money into any car - unless the bone stock vehicle was already well suited to road racing.

The 300C - and particularly the SRT-8, certainly is. I think we will see more and more of the older LX and LY bodies showing up on road courses.

And here are some of the reasons why:


The Chassis is made from Hydro formed steel - a first, on a large mass-produced sedan. This ensures a very rigid platform with very little flex.
Chassis flex is the enemy on a road course. It will change the suspension geometry making the handling unpredictable, and that will compromise corner speeds and braking.
The Engine and transmission are very strong and reliable, with gobs of torque. Note that I have not done any mods in this area, except for a CAI; free flow exhaust and a chip tuner.
The overall quality and engineering seems to stand up well throughout the entire vehicle even under race conditions where we push up to 1.75 G's of lateral force in certain corners.

Out of the box, the car is fine for lapping on the weekends.

If you want to step up into competition against Bimmers and Porsches, here are the areas that need to be improved:


Suspension Bushings - if your car has over 60,000 miles
Better pads for braking
LSD is an absolute must
Adjustable camber settings front and rear
Power Steering Cooler
Engine Oil Cooler
Adjustable Coilovers are nice - but not essential
Wide grippy tires
This car is so easy to set up for neutral handling and is so predictable under cornering, braking and acceleration. This makes it a joy to drive on a twisty track, despite its obvious size.

Can't wait to get back out on the track in 4 weeks! http://www.300cforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif


2006 300C SRT8 Brilliant Black (Black Beauty II)

Factory Options: All except Kicker
Current Mileage: 98,000 miles



Modifications Installed:

PERFORMANCE

Stock 6.1 Hemi and Stock Transmission
Corsa Exhaust
AirHammer Cold Air Intake
Relocate of AIT Sensor
Quaife Limited Slip Differential
New Half-Shafts from Speedlogix 2013
Diablo Trinity ECM Tuner
GSM Phenolic Intake Spacer
APM Ram Air Hood - increased cold air induction & hot air extraction
Custom Power Steering Cooler
Custom Large Fluidyne Oil Cooler from Speedlogix 2013
New Heavy Duty Radiator 2013
Wide Angle Racing Rear View Mirror
Oversized PS Pump Pulley from from JoelVan to reduce pump rpm's; larger serpentine belt (July 2013)
CMR Tune from Johan (August 2013)

HANDLING

Eibach Multi-Pro Coil-Over R2 Shocks and Springs
StopTech Brake Pads
DBA vented and slotted Rotors (July 2013)
Braided Brake Lines
Upgraded Brake Fluid
Pedders Bushings Upgrade

Pedders Bump Steer Kit

Pedders Upgraded Sway bars

Michelin Pilot Super Sport 275/30/20 High performance tires (for Track)
Light open ASA 20x10 Wheels (for Track)
Adjustable Front Upper Control Arms (2012 )
Adjustable Rear Upper Control Arms from Speedlogix 2013
Front and Rear Shock Tower Braces from Speedlogix (2012)
New Wheel Bearings all around 2013
Front Splitter -modified from a Challenger (Aug 2013)


APPEARANCE

Billet Technology custom pedals and dead pedal
Debadged BT SRT Grille Oval and Trunk Wing
Black Window trim and B pillars
Custom LED Taillights
Custom TommyZ Deep Dish Grille with black powdercoated mesh
Upgraded lighting
Blacked out side markers
Piano Gloss Black Interior panels and trim
American Racing "old school" Torque Thrust M Anthracite Wheels (for daily driving)

Links to BBII:

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/road-course/103705-calabogie-gt-challenge.html

I Won 1st Place in Final Race - 2nd Place for the entire Series! (http://www.300cforums.com/forums/road-course/100870-i-won-1st-place-final-race-2nd-place-entire-series.html)

Black Beauty II Gets A Make Over (http://www.300cforums.com/forums/300-eye-candy/86986-black-beauty-ii-gets-make-over.html) 2006 300C SRT8 Brilliant Black (Black Beauty II)

Factory Options: All except Kicker
Current Mileage: 98,000 miles

CT-MSRT
04-02-2013, 09:13 AM
lookin good. can't wait to see how you make out with the upgrades.

bob1964
04-02-2013, 09:22 AM
Very cool ...cant wait for the vids

RobAGD
04-02-2013, 10:37 AM
NR you may want to take a lookie at JoelV's High Cap Radiator to get some more cooling cap into your system.

It will need a little finesse to install but several people are running it with good results.

Kinda surprised you didn't go for the Take off Conti's for on track :D

Can't wait for the War Stories for the season Pat Tear them up!

-R

Ron380
04-02-2013, 11:34 AM
Great write-up NR! :thumbs_u: Best of Luck to you for this season! :)

Northern Rider
04-02-2013, 02:39 PM
Very cool ...cant wait for the vids


lookin good. can't wait to see how you make out with the upgrades.

Thanks guys!

Will keep you posted, as we go to battle . .

Northern Rider
04-02-2013, 02:39 PM
Very cool ...cant wait for the vids


lookin good. can't wait to see how you make out with the upgrades.

Thanks guys!

Will keep you posted, as we go to battle . . .

renman
04-02-2013, 02:49 PM
Looking good! I need to do something about my oil temps for this season.

Northern Rider
04-02-2013, 04:22 PM
NR you may want to take a lookie at JoelV's High Cap Radiator to get some more cooling cap into your system.

It will need a little finesse to install but several people are running it with good results.

Kinda surprised you didn't go for the Take off Conti's for on track :D

Can't wait for the War Stories for the season Pat Tear them up!

-R

I did and almost ordered it. Went another route - they sent me the wrong rad and had to get a MOPAR heavy duty one for as much $$$ as Joel's would have cost me. Just got jammed for time.

Wish I had gone with Joel's from the get-go. Car is sure running cool now, in any event.

I thought of the take off contis - in fact had a deal lined up with a member for 4 18" rims and a bunch of take-off's but it didn't happen. I already am swimming in 3 full sets of 20" rims, so I'll start this way. If I get bumped up to GT1, will definitely have to switch to slicks to match their lap times.

It's a long series, Rob - 9 races - so we'll just see what happens!

mcshocks
04-02-2013, 09:10 PM
Very nice and well thought out, great post!

freefallin
04-02-2013, 11:46 PM
thanks NR for your info and vids, just curious about you changing your wheel bearings for 2013 season, how many miles where on the old ones, were they the oem's before, if so is it something that doesn't last that long when road racing on these cars? i just moved up to hpde2 with 50,000 miles on them.no problems with them now. just curious if it was for pm only. thanks again

Northern Rider
04-03-2013, 08:40 AM
Great write-up NR! :thumbs_u: Best of Luck to you for this season! :)

Thanks, Ron.


Looking good! I need to do something about my oil temps for this season.

I did a long 'test' run with the engine at 5000 rpm and everything stayed cool . But the outside air temp was just above freezing.

So far, so good. The real test will come at the track with 90 degree outside temps. I'll keep you posted.

steves
04-03-2013, 02:41 PM
Looks good. I want to get those tires. How much shorter are they than the factory size?

Northern Rider
04-03-2013, 03:02 PM
Great write-up NR! :thumbs_u: Best of Luck to you for this season! :)


Very nice and well thought out, great post!

Thanks, guys.


thanks NR for your info and vids, just curious about you changing your wheel bearings for 2013 season, how many miles where on the old ones, were they the oem's before, if so is it something that doesn't last that long when road racing on these cars? i just moved up to hpde2 with 50,000 miles on them.no problems with them now. just curious if it was for pm only. thanks again

There were 92,000 hard miles and 7 years on the oem's. A new set came with the new half-shafts / hubs for the rear so I decided to go ahead and also replace both fronts. These sealed bearings rarely give you any warning when they go - and with the rotor heat generated at the track, I didn't want to join the little club of guys who have had wheel bearing failures while competing.

Northern Rider
04-04-2013, 09:18 PM
Looks good. I want to get those tires. How much shorter are they than the factory size?

You can get the PSS tires in either a 35 or 30 profile, so it will drop you down a bit - not sure of the exact difference. If you go on Tire Rack's site, you can get the difference from their charts.

Dan79
04-24-2013, 12:02 PM
Great write up NR. Do you recommend any of those mods for the street as well? I haven't gotten into road racing although I have always wanted to.

My Toyo Proxes 4's are about shot so I was thinking of getting those Pilot Super Sports and then switching them out during winter. Now that I have to buy 4 new tires I was hoping the PSS's might serve me semi decently for a handful of trips to the quarter mile this summer since I probably won't be able to get a separate set of drag tires right away.

Meech
04-24-2013, 12:25 PM
Very well done Patrick! Hopefully we can meet up on the course some time! I love your comment on the Bimmers and Porsches!

Meech

Northern Rider
04-24-2013, 01:56 PM
Great write up NR. Do you recommend any of those mods for the street as well? I haven't gotten into road racing although I have always wanted to.

My Toyo Proxes 4's are about shot so I was thinking of getting those Pilot Super Sports and then switching them out during winter. Now that I have to buy 4 new tires I was hoping the PSS's might serve me semi decently for a handful of trips to the quarter mile this summer since I probably won't be able to get a separate set of drag tires right away.

Good questions, Dan. The SRT8 - as a street machine - is pretty awesome right off the showroom floor, imo. The only items I would strongly recommend for street driving are a Diablo tuner and good rubber on the wheels. I cant say enough good things about the Michelin PSS tires. They really suit these cars and have a decent wear index, as well.

If your car is a Gen 1 and getting up there in mileage, you will have to deal with the bushings issue, as well. The OEM rubber bushings just don't stand up to the forces that these cars can generate.


Very well done Patrick! Hopefully we can meet up on the course some time! I love your comment on the Bimmers and Porsches!

Meech

Thanks Meech! Definitely want to run with you and other modern Mopars on a road course . . .

As to expensive imports at the track - well let's just say that there is an evil little person somewhere inside me that takes great pleasure in whuppin' guys who have vehicles costing 2 to 3 times the price of mine . . .

Meech
04-24-2013, 03:54 PM
Thanks Meech! Definitely want to run with you and other modern Mopars on a road course . . .

As to expensive imports at the track - well let's just say that there is an evil little person somewhere inside me that takes great pleasure in whuppin' guys who have vehicles costing 2 to 3 times the price of mine . . .

Well I'm sure you've seen the pic of the BMW Z4 (who was the lead instructor); after going through 12 cars, I caught him in the Octopus (NJMP Thunderbolt) last year
Like yours, now, the car was dialed in as you already know, his comment to me was: "Yeah, that's because my tires are seven years old." We have since become friends, and he's one of the nicer of the Bimmer owners and a good guy all around, but there are far worse comments for our Mercedes Hemi Hybrid Cars.

Dan79
04-24-2013, 06:35 PM
Good questions, Dan. The SRT8 - as a street machine - is pretty awesome right off the showroom floor, imo. The only items I would strongly recommend for street driving are a Diablo tuner and good rubber on the wheels. I cant say enough good things about the Michelin PSS tires. They really suit these cars and have a decent wear index, as well.

If your car is a Gen 1 and getting up there in mileage, you will have to deal with the bushings issue, as well. The OEM rubber bushings just don't stand up to the forces that these cars can generate.



Thanks Meech! Definitely want to run with you and other modern Mopars on a road course . . .

As to expensive imports at the track - well let's just say that there is an evil little person somewhere inside me that takes great pleasure in whuppin' guys who have vehicles costing 2 to 3 times the price of mine . . .

I couldn't help but notice that you don't seem to have any strut tower braces, front or rear. Have you considered adding those?

Northern Rider
04-26-2013, 01:19 PM
Well I'm sure you've seen the pic of the BMW Z4 (who was the lead instructor); after going through 12 cars, I caught him in the Octopus (NJMP Thunderbolt) last year
Like yours, now, the car was dialed in as you already know, his comment to me was: "Yeah, that's because my tires are seven years old." We have since become friends, and he's one of the nicer of the Bimmer owners and a good guy all around, but there are far worse comments for our Mercedes Hemi Hybrid Cars .

Yeah, I saw that! I also do have a couple of decent acquaintances with Porsche and Bimmer pilots. Not so much with STi guys . . .

Speaking of Hybrids, here's the artwork for a windshield decal I am getting made up for the Beast:


49073

It will be peel and stick and will run right across the very top of the front windshield. I'll run a few extra if anyone contacts me and wants one for their car (at cost)

A couple more mods, guaranteed to make us faster :) :

A flat black wrap on the raised cowl to reduce sun glare as most of our races start at 6 pm.

49082

49083

Northern Rider
04-30-2013, 07:07 PM
I couldn't help but notice that you don't seem to have any strut tower braces, front or rear. Have you considered adding those?

Actually, now I do. I have a Razor's Edge multi-point on the front - ugly but rigid. And I have their 4 point brace on the rear, where I can really feel the difference, on the track.

Northern Rider
08-31-2013, 04:08 PM
Finally got around to installing / modifying a Challenger front splitter to fit on the front of my beast.

We did this to generate more down force on the front wheels to help raise entry speeds into corners at the end of straight sections. The weight of the car works against turn-in at higher speeds. The splitter will help generate more down force.

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It ain't pretty - but should do the job.

The other thing we have been up to is working with Diablotoona - Johan - for a CMR tune to give us more mid-range torque and a different shift pattern.

Johan is the best!!! Big difference. It will get the ultimate test on the weekend of September 6-8th. We have the final 3 races of our 9 race series at Calabogie Motorsports track. Hoping that the splitter and the tune will help me pick up 2 or 3 more seconds per lap . . .

Ron380
08-31-2013, 05:06 PM
Wow, that front splitter is wicked! Glad to see you have 3 braces supporting it.

(And I dearly hope you don't have any off-track excursions, or it's going to auger-in up to the bumper! :panic: )

Looking forward to the results from next weekend! :thumbs_u:

Northern Rider
08-31-2013, 05:26 PM
Thanks, Ron. I forgot to mention - we have a steel plate underneath, onto the front belly pan. should absorb the minor bumps. A major one will definitely re-arrange the face of the Beast . . .

Ron380
08-31-2013, 05:55 PM
Forgot to mention... If I ever saw that coming up behind me, I'd get the heck outta the way for sure! :shock:

:mrgreen:

formerice
08-31-2013, 07:22 PM
I actually feel sorry for the drivers of those expensive imports. About like the day Rich Millers stock appearing RT Magnum completely destroyed a rich young punk's AMG63 at NEDW. The guy almost cried and Richie got banned for being too fast without a cage. You may want to bring a couple hankies, for those guys just in case. Your car in the rearview must look like the "Grim Reaper"

renman
08-31-2013, 07:57 PM
Patrick, I love your car man. It looks mean and everything is functional.

Northern Rider
08-31-2013, 09:22 PM
Forgot to mention... If I ever saw that coming up behind me, I'd get the heck outta the way for sure! :shock:

:mrgreen:



I actually feel sorry for the drivers of those expensive imports. About like the day Rich Millers stock appearing RT Magnum completely destroyed a rich young punk's AMG63 at NEDW. The guy almost cried and Richie got banned for being too fast without a cage. You may want to bring a couple hankies, for those guys just in case. Your car in the rearview must look like the "Grim Reaper"

Now that you guys mention the 'rear view' thing, that could be worth a couple of positions . . . :) As to the younger guys with the Uber-expensive toys - I've already had the hanky out a few times. One guy still refuses to believe that my motor is stock. The front splitter should really stir up his cappuccino!!!


Patrick, I love your car man. It looks mean and everything is functional.

Thanks, man. Who would have thunk that Chrysler would make big 4 door sedan that could easily be made to look 'mean' on a road race circuit? Thank you, Ralph Gilles!

RobAGD
09-01-2013, 11:18 AM
Hey Pat, Might want to look into 2 things as you have been running high rpms - Consider the valve springs and the timing chain tentioner.

With your track time I would consider those a yearly preventive.

Cant wait to hear about the exploits.

-Robert

Northern Rider
09-01-2013, 06:32 PM
Hey Pat, Might want to look into 2 things as you have been running high rpms - Consider the valve springs and the timing chain tentioner.

With your track time I would consider those a yearly preventive.

Cant wait to hear about the exploits.

-Robert

Good advice, Rob! We're hitting 100,00 miles on the ole gal. Definitely will be giving the engine some lovin' after racing season ends.

Northern Rider
09-03-2013, 01:09 PM
Added a splash of blue to the edge of the splitter - in keeping with our theme . . . .

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Northern Rider
09-17-2013, 02:50 PM
Our final weekend in September had 3 races. That weekend saw the Porsche GT3 Cup National Final event; The new Lambo racing series (where you can rent your drive for a mere $45,000 per weekend; The Canadian Touring Car final event; The Porsche 944 final championship event; A new open wheel series finale. One of the guys set a new track record of 1:52 over the difficult 3.05 mile track, in a Formula Atlantic - shattering the old track record of 2:02!

And then there was our group - the Gentleman's GT series with groups based on our lap times - GT1; GT2; and GT3. I came 2nd in the GT2 Group last year.

We were the largest group on the track - with 38 competitors. Our series really took off this year - 9 races and 2 test and tune days for a total cost of $1400.00. No scrutineering; no licenses; no restrictions on modifications. The big difference this year was more dedicated track cars and more competitors with serious experience and driving skills.

Although my times were faster than last year, when I got 2nd overall in the GT2 class, I ended up in 4th position this year in the big GT2 group. I battled Vettes; BMW's; various Stangs and a whole pile of light, fast dedicated race cars.

The front splitter really helped entry speed into the fast corners - but at a price. It put more load on the front tires and at the end of the second race on Sunday morning, I had corded out my left front tire. That slowed me down (we changed out for the final race) - but was not my biggest issue.

We had programmed the transmission to upshift at red line and to downshift with the triptronic manually. Over the weekend, the downshifts were erratic. We found ourselves coming out of corners in a higher gear that we thought we were in.

That really slowed us down. Haven't yet figured out what the issue is - probably sensors . . .

All said, while I was hoping for a better finish, I have had so much fun all summer racing with a great bunch of people. The 'social' aspect at Calabogie is a big part of their success. We always have a great time up there after the races.

Hopefully, we'll do it all again next year - perhaps on 18 " wheels with slicks . . .

Here are some pics from the weekend:

New front splitter in profile
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Lambos in hard combat - 2 wide in the kink - Yikes!
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Being chased tight to the cement wall for turn 2
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Pesky VW - LOL!
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My wife Sally, me, our friend Darlene with Chris, one of the track owners
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Group Photo of our 'rogue' GT Challenge Race Series
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Sally's daughter, Sarah - hamming it up in front of Greg's Vette - winner of the GT1 Series
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Sarah in one of the Lambos - "Drive it Like You Stole it!"
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Out of shape in the Quarry - he managed to save it . . .
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Vettes to the wall
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Good wide angle view of corners 19 and 20 up onto the front straight
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RobAGD
09-18-2013, 12:50 AM
Damn that is a lot of camber in the LF !

Congrats on the great runs.

What "tuning" have you had done to the TCM/Trans control ? I always found that the srt hold worked well, I kinda miss the Super Chips Auto Kick ( Held rpms to shift point and would shift, but held gear no matter what until you stopped )

-R

Northern Rider
09-18-2013, 01:40 PM
Damn that is a lot of camber in the LF !

Congrats on the great runs.

What "tuning" have you had done to the TCM/Trans control ? I always found that the srt hold worked well, I kinda miss the Super Chips Auto Kick ( Held rpms to shift point and would shift, but held gear no matter what until you stopped )

-R

Thanks, Rob!

3 degrees neg camber up front. About 2 neg on the back. Might switch to Nitto 1's. heavy cars seem to run well in the dry on those tires.

As to the tune - I had Johan do a CMR for me which included some shifting parameters. I'll pull the tune out and go back to stock, before we try to 'fix' the shifting issue.

370 Dart
09-18-2013, 02:10 PM
Awesome! Im a twisty lover guy too! Did you cord the inside? One thing I would do is video the car and see if during a hard corner your tires are flat with the pavement. If they are still camber'd out in a hard turn, you have to much camber and you've hit the point of diminished returns. Here is my old Dart that im in the process of getting a 6.1 together for. Does the engine get hot while lapping or did the oil temp just get out of control? I have to run a remote filter for packaging reasons in my Dart anyway so i'll plan on a cooler too. I run 1 degree negative camber and next year im gonna try 2. 72 Dodge Dart at MPH. First time for and car and driver, sorry about the wind noise. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BvJ8hsZ8KY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJ_8nGI42-FXKtyKQ5Dj1iQ)

Northern Rider
09-18-2013, 03:06 PM
Awesome! Im a twisty lover guy too! Did you cord the inside? One thing I would do is video the car and see if during a hard corner your tires are flat with the pavement. If they are still camber'd out in a hard turn, you have to much camber and you've hit the point of diminished returns. Here is my old Dart that im in the process of getting a 6.1 together for. Does the engine get hot while lapping or did the oil temp just get out of control? I have to run a remote filter for packaging reasons in my Dart anyway so i'll plan on a cooler too. I run 1 degree negative camber and next year im gonna try 2. 72 Dodge Dart at MPH. First time for and car and driver, sorry about the wind noise. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BvJ8hsZ8KY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUJ_8nGI42-FXKtyKQ5Dj1iQ)

No - it was the outside that corded. There have to be 15 right hand turns - with lots of big elevation changes. In some corners, almost all the weight is loaded up on the left front.

Nice run with the 72 Dart! What weight does the run (wet) at? And - what kind of rubber are you running?

370 Dart
09-18-2013, 07:35 PM
Thanks! Seems pretty typical for most road courses to be predominantly right turns. The one in my video is the same way . I was running nitro nt555's front and toyo ra1's rear. It was pushing pretty bad. Definitely need better fronts, and something non directional so I can swap sides between runs. Car is about 3340 with me in it. After the 6.1 stroker swap it should get under 3300 at least. I plan to hit some autocross's next year once I get some different front tires. My sizes are 275/35/18 front and 335/30/18 rears.

RobAGD
09-18-2013, 08:58 PM
Hey Dart, check out some of the continental series take offs, they have worked very well for several guy on here and they are an 18 tire. Not sure on widths but at about $100 a tire is hard to beat.

-Robert

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Northern Rider
09-19-2013, 07:35 PM
Well guess what? The organiser - Matt, announced that our series was most likely going to include a race at Mosport and at LeCircuit (Mount Tremblant) next year.

And - we also know that track owners in the US are looking closely at our format. We have run 30 events over 3 years and there has not been any car-to-car contact, so far.

Hopefully, this "Gentleman's Racing" format will spread to tracks in the US, as well . . .

fnkychkn
09-19-2013, 07:47 PM
hey Pat. please clear out your message box. thanks.

Northern Rider
09-19-2013, 08:35 PM
Sorry Pete. Done!

renman
09-20-2013, 02:44 AM
Very nice Patrick!!

Live n Mizery
09-20-2013, 10:20 AM
4th out of 38 is a damn good accomplishment! I'm loving the look of your front splitter with the blue line across too. Good job Pat.

I'm hesitant to read your threads and view your pics because each time I feel the pull towards tracking the car... I have no future mod plans but it probably won't stay that way if I start racing!

L n M

Hemissary
09-20-2013, 10:36 AM
Yes reading this thread makes me smile and weep at the same time :^)

I sure hope the Tilke-designed track being bantied about around here comes to fruition, it's painful not having an outlet to blow out some carbon...

370 Dart
09-20-2013, 11:35 AM
I should have never tracked my car. It's like a crack pipe addiction guys, once will never be enough. Then its all about how to go faster....

Hemissary
09-20-2013, 11:40 AM
Our track closed last year, I'm in withdrawal.

Northern Rider
09-20-2013, 01:00 PM
I should have never tracked my car. It's like a crack pipe addiction guys, once will never be enough. Then its all about how to go faster....

Worse than 'crack' . . . No matter how long the withdrawal period - 30 years in my case - the addiction never goes away! :)

It's so bad that I'll take a 4500 lb., 4 door, luxury sedan onto an evil hilly, twisty track to cross swords with M3's and Vettes. Now that's an addiction! :racing:

Hemissary
09-20-2013, 01:13 PM
Worse than 'crack' . . . No matter how long the withdrawal period - 30 years in my case - the addiction never goes away! :)

It's so bad that I'll take a 4500 lb., 4 door, luxury sedan onto an evil hilly, twisty track to cross swords with M3's and Vettes. Now that's an addiction! :racing:

nah...that's just simple hightened unadulterated pleasure <grin>

Northern Rider
09-20-2013, 06:13 PM
nah...that's just simple hightened unadulterated pleasure <grin>



Yeeepppp!!! :banana::banana::banana:

Northern Rider
10-01-2013, 10:17 AM
Here's a nice pic by a pro photographer - shows the front splitter. It was during a practice run - I still had the front plate bolted to the grille . . .

http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/IMSA-GT3/IMSA-GT3-Canada/2013-KBC-Grand-Prix/2013-Metroland-GT-Race/i-K37wwng/0/XL/COPH3619-XL.jpg

Northern Rider
10-02-2013, 05:14 PM
Loading up the LF tire in a very fast right hander . . . .
http://coburnphotographyca.smugmug.com/IMSA-GT3/IMSA-GT3-Canada/2013-KBC-Grand-Prix/2013-Metroland-GT-Race/i-SQXLsQN/1/XL/COPH4799-XL.jpg

MikahB
10-11-2013, 03:54 PM
Great shots and cool project! If you're at -3.0 front camber and still cording the outside of non-race tires, you need more front swaybar (probably rear as well). There are not a ton of options for really big bars, but there are stiffer bars than Pedders you might consider. Also - do you know your front and rear spring rates? I could probably suggest some adjustments there as well that might even out tire wear front/rear and side/side.

Northern Rider
10-11-2013, 04:08 PM
Thanks Mikah! I am running the Eibach ProV2 set, so I will get the spring rates from them.

This series is getting more competitive and the track is 3 miles of every type of corner you can imagine. Weight is definitely the enemy, as corner momentum is key.

Will be talking to you soon.