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Northern Rider
07-17-2012, 06:54 PM
Photos from race 3 of 6 at Calabogie Motorsports Park.

After this 40 minute race with 23 competitors, BBII and I had moved up to 2nd place in the GT2 class.








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Kippc
07-17-2012, 07:16 PM
awesome. love how you left the tags on the car.

Meech
07-17-2012, 07:26 PM
Looks great brother!

legmaker
07-17-2012, 07:30 PM
love how it looks like you just drove from the street out onto the track amougnst a bunch of race cars and kicked butt!

Northern Rider
07-17-2012, 08:03 PM
awesome. love how you left the tags on the car.

Of course! It is my daily driver.

Mr.Nemo
07-17-2012, 08:04 PM
Nice, is that a U-go? in the back in the 1st pic?

Northern Rider
07-17-2012, 09:10 PM
Looks great brother!

Thanks!


love how it looks like you just drove from the street out onto the track amougnst a bunch of race cars and kicked butt!

Well . . . I guess that is pretty much what has been happening at this 6 race series. Of the 23 cars on the track that day, 19 were trailered in as pure race cars, and almost all of those were running slicks.

My 300C SRT8 has a stock engine and tranny (never turned a bolt on them); 87,000 miles on the odo and running street tires.

I know a lot of these guys and it is fun racing against them. When I rolled in for the first race, someone asked what I was doing there. I told him that I was a "Driver Rescue Limo Service". If they broke down on the track, I would roll out and chauffeur them back to the paddock in air-conditioned comfort and style" - lol!

He believed me, until I lined up in the pack for the first race . . . :)

Rat Patrol
07-18-2012, 12:25 AM
Great to see!!!

Have you upgraded the brakes at all?.....How do you find the braking distances compared to the "track day special" stuff?

Northern Rider
07-18-2012, 06:15 AM
Nice, is that a U-go? in the back in the 1st pic?

The red, square boxy thingy? No, no u-go . . . The one I think you are referring to is an old VW Rabbit.

Rat Patrol
07-18-2012, 06:22 AM
The red, square boxy thingy? No, no u-go . . . The one I think you are referring to is an old VW Rabbit.

Have you upgraded your brakes?

vyper883
07-18-2012, 06:39 AM
Have you upgraded your brakes?

Way to go Pat!!!

The car is looking great!

As far as I know, Pat has Pedderized the car from front to back, which makes a world of difference on the track. These cars feel lighter than they look, even with stock suspension components, but with the Pedders treatment, it's in a league of it's own for a 4300 lbs monster sedan. He also has a Corsa Catback, and if I'm not mistaken (feel free to correct Pat) True cold air from the custom ram air hood.

Other than that, this car is representing with full factory engine, drivetrain and Brembo factory brake calipers.

Northern Rider
07-18-2012, 07:13 AM
Have you upgraded your brakes?

No - just running EBC Yellow Stuff pads - on the street and at the track.


Way to go Pat!!!

The car is looking great!

As far as I know, Pat has Pedderized the car from front to back, which makes a world of difference on the track. These cars feel lighter than they look, even with stock suspension components, but with the Pedders treatment, it's in a league of it's own for a 4300 lbs monster sedan. He also has a Corsa Catback, and if I'm not mistaken (feel free to correct Pat) True cold air from the custom ram air hood.

Other than that, this car is representing with full factory engine, drivetrain and Brembo factory brake calipers.

Thanks Gus - for the accurate summation! Pedders bushings have eliminated the "knitting needle in rice pudding" feel of the stock OEM bushings. Now the full potential of the suspension is unleashed. We also have an AirHammer, a Quaife LSD and Eibach Pro V4 springs and adjustable shocks . . .

Oh - and I almost forgot our secret weapon - a Gloss Piano Black Dash kit covering the sea of grey hard plastic in the cockpit. It appears that when competitors peer into my "limo", the reflections from the dash panels temporarily blinds them and induces erratic driving on their part . . . .

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bigjim
07-18-2012, 07:30 AM
LOL, I love being one of the two or three with plates on the car, Thanks for the prod pal!:blam:

Just got married lest week, next year Pat! Next year!

Ron380
07-18-2012, 07:51 AM
Congrats Jim! :thumbs_u:

Knight
07-18-2012, 08:41 AM
Awesome pics! Crazy to see how well your doing vs some of these race cars!

Northern Rider
07-18-2012, 11:16 AM
LOL, I love being one of the two or three with plates on the car, Thanks for the prod pal!:blam:

Just got married lest week, next year Pat! Next year!

Congrats, Jim! Sally and I really enjoyed meeting you and your new bride in Etobicoke a few weeks back.

Really looking forward to turning some wheels on the track with you next season, Jim!

MAGFX
07-18-2012, 11:21 AM
Wow, I just love seeing things like this. Way to go, Pat.


... When I rolled in for the first race, someone asked what I was doing there. I told him that I was a "Driver Rescue Limo Service". If they broke down on the track, I would roll out and chauffeur them back to the paddock in air-conditioned comfort and style" - lol!

He believed me, until I lined up in the pack for the first race . . . :) Classic!

bigjim
07-18-2012, 01:11 PM
Awesome pics! Crazy to see how well your doing vs some of these race cars!


Trust me when I tell you that the car is a much less important component than the nut behind the wheel! (ps, NOT a shot at Pat, more an observation from my years on track).

PAPITO
07-18-2012, 03:26 PM
nice pics! Thanks for sharing!

Northern Rider
07-18-2012, 05:10 PM
Trust me when I tell you that the car is a much less important component than the nut behind the wheel! (ps, NOT a shot at Pat, more an observation from my years on track).

Hey Jim - I resemble that remark!!! :mrgreen:

NBx33
07-18-2012, 05:38 PM
Wow thats a nice Merkur.. You dont see those often.
Looks like you had fun. thats the way it should be
I should be hitting my local track again soon.

xevilpetex
07-18-2012, 06:57 PM
So wait, they let you race wheel to wheel in an uncaged street car? Thats uhhh... interesting :shock:

Northern Rider
07-18-2012, 07:22 PM
So wait, they let you race wheel to wheel in an uncaged street car? Thats uhhh... interesting :shock:

Yep! Up here in the Frozen North, we don't need no stinkin' rules . . . .:rulez:


Oh, wait - uh, I think there are actually some rules. You can read 'em here: Calabogie Motorsports Park Ottawa Citizen Race Series (http://www.calabogiemotorsports.com/event-registration/ottawa-citizen-race-series/)

RobAGD
07-18-2012, 07:50 PM
lol, Pat still kicking a$$ love it!

Your write ups from your 300c many moons ago inspired me to do track days.

What a blast

-R

Rat Patrol
07-18-2012, 09:12 PM
Says a lot for the factory brake spec that the calipers and rotors will handle circuit driving in a 4400
Lb car!

Sure the suspension geometry improvements share the braking load better - but I'm still amazed you're not cracking rotors every meet.

Great to see!

TNCHARGER
07-18-2012, 09:43 PM
Reading this thread made me chuckle about a recent post over on the red site....member was defending street racing and commented that the SRT was made to race on the street....said it is too heavy and slow to compete with other cars a track......evidently your car is a one off...LOL....congrats...bet you had a ball..

Northern Rider
07-18-2012, 11:49 PM
lol, Pat still kicking a$$ love it!

Your write ups from your 300c many moons ago inspired me to do track days.

What a blast

-R

Glad you are enjoying track days - Rob. Yeah - I'm still at it. Promised I'd quit when I entered my 8th decade on this planet . . . but that's only 22 months away - may have a re-think! http://www.lxforums.com/board/images/icons/icon6.png


Says a lot for the factory brake spec that the calipers and rotors will handle circuit driving in a 4400
Lb car!

Sure the suspension geometry improvements share the braking load better - but I'm still amazed you're not cracking rotors every meet.

Great to see!

The brembos are great brakes! Well balanced to our very stiff chassis and neat suspension geometry.

At the last race, a Z06 won the GT1 class and finished with a cracked rotor. I keep checking mine, but haven't seen a crack yet.

bigjim
07-19-2012, 08:42 AM
Says a lot for the factory brake spec that the calipers and rotors will handle circuit driving in a 4400
Lb car!

Sure the suspension geometry improvements share the braking load better - but I'm still amazed you're not cracking rotors every meet.

Great to see!

LOL, Pat crack a rotor??? That would mean he uses the brakes.... after all I was taught at Jim Russel racing school to drive straight and never slow down to get good lap times.

I have done in my share of rotors using street tires, still on the rotors I ran Mosport with last season, slicks very nicely reduce the brake use.

Ron380
07-19-2012, 10:41 AM
That's one thing I still need a lot of work with...

Use the brakes MORE (in the right manner) to get faster times. :caveman:

Northern Rider
07-19-2012, 03:11 PM
LOL, Pat crack a rotor??? That would mean he uses the brakes.... after all I was taught at Jim Russel racing school to drive straight and never slow down to get good lap times.

I have done in my share of rotors using street tires, still on the rotors I ran Mosport with last season, slicks very nicely reduce the brake use.

I hear ya . . . brakes are a precious resource to be used sparingly.

On the tight twisty track that is Calabogie, I am learning how to carry more speed into the corners, with a touch of trail braking - slicks would really help the cause.

joelvan
07-19-2012, 04:32 PM
I cannot figure what you guys are talking about. Not using the brakes. That's the best thing about our cars. That's where I make up the most time on track. I wait till the very last second and stomp on em has hard as possible with out locking up the tires and trail brake while starting while the turn in I will admit I only get 2 to 3 races out of a set of pads but the stock rotors last me all season. Watch my last race video and you'll see what I mean.

CircuitMotorsports
07-19-2012, 05:02 PM
Car looks good on the track!

tick2791
07-19-2012, 05:25 PM
How did the new wheels and tires hold up? Great pics. Has anyone got to close for comfort?

Ron380
07-19-2012, 05:30 PM
People don't try to "rub" Rider for 2 reasons:

1. His car is so sharp and intimidating. It's like giving Chuck Norris the "buddy punch" on the shoulder- you'd break your hand! :shock:

2. If they did "rub" his car... They'd have to deal with that wolf in his avatar. ;)

Northern Rider
07-19-2012, 07:47 PM
I cannot figure what you guys are talking about. Not using the brakes. That's the best thing about our cars. That's where I make up the most time on track. I wait till the very last second and stomp on em has hard as possible with out locking up the tires and trail brake while starting while the turn in I will admit I only get 2 to 3 races out of a set of pads but the stock rotors last me all season. Watch my last race video and you'll see what I mean.

Joel - I know what you mean - and your vids are great. I get on them very hard at the end of the straights, as well - try to avoid lock-up, and get off to allow the car to settle, before turn-in. Since my car is a street car, I'm not running dedicated pads such as Carbotech . . .


Car looks good on the track!

Thanks!


How did the new wheels and tires hold up? Great pics. Has anyone got to close for comfort?

Wheels are fine. The tires are Michelin Pilot Super Sports - 275 on front; 285's on rear. Street tires grind down pretty quick under this type of driving; an abrasive track surface at Calabogie and hot days with the temp here soaring into the high 90's; especially the fronts. Won't get the summer out of them - probably just race 4, which is coming up this Saturday.

I have to say, the Super Sports are the next best thing to running slicks on an SRT8; the turn-in response is instant and the grip on exits is excellent.

bigjim
07-19-2012, 10:01 PM
I seem to remember a "rub" incident where the wolf came out...

Northern Rider
07-20-2012, 10:13 AM
People don't try to "rub" Rider for 2 reasons:

1. His car is so sharp and intimidating. It's like giving Chuck Norris the "buddy punch" on the shoulder- you'd break your hand! :shock:

2. If they did "rub" his car... They'd have to deal with that wolf in his avatar. ;)

LOL!


I seem to remember a "rub" incident where the wolf came out...

Boy - have you got a good memory, Jim!

It was back in the spring, 5 or 6 years ago. Lapping (not racing) at Le Circuit Mont Tremblant in Quebec, in my 05 300C (5.7). There was an inexperienced 'boy racer' in a gutted, somewhat prepped Acura, who thought he was Villeneuve.

He was behind me, coming into the right hand hairpin at Namerow. I took my line from the extreme left and was setting up to step the tail out, in order to throw the big sedan around one of the tighest corners known to road courses.

As I approached the apex in full drift, I caught a glimpse of his nose coming on the inside right!!! A BIG NO-NO in lapping . . .

Then came the invevitable "CRUNCH" as he drove into my right rear passenger door . . .

We both came to a stop, disentangled, then headed into the pit entrance just to our left, with him in front of me.

Was I pi$$ed!!!

As we got out of our cars, helmets in hand, I flung my helmet at him, aiming for a head shot. He ducked and my helmet bounced off his car (helmet still bears the scars).

What happened next was ugly . . . 2 marshals pulled me off of him, as I had him on the ground and going for my 3rd punch.


He was banned from the track and sent packing, and I went on to set some good times for the rest of the day.

But - not before confronting him, one more time, in the parking lot, as he was loading his sled onto his trailer, and demanded compensation for the damage. He emptied his wallet - I seem to remember that I got about $500.00 from him.

Not my finest moment in motorsport - I guess the 'wolf' in me just came out . . .

Northern Rider
07-22-2012, 06:39 PM
Just ran the 4th race of the 6 race series yesterday. Temp was in the 90's and we were joined by some members of the local BMW club.

They had 180 members at the track, lapping and a handful running one sedan club race. A few of the racers hung around and registered for our event.

It was a grinder in the heat, but we held our own. Results are still being sorted out as they inserted a mandatory 2 minute staggered pit stop and it screwed up the timing transponders.

Hopefully, we will have some results pics and video in a couple of days. Now it's time to go and buy some more tires!


Question: Will 285/35 (or 30) 20's fit on the front of my SRT8 without modification?

vyper883
07-23-2012, 01:32 AM
Pat, I believe the widest you could go in the front is 275 with a factory SRT wheel. If the A/M wheels that you are running have the same width and offset, then you shouldn't have a problem. Honestly, I don't think you'd want to run wider that 275 in the front, as it may actually hurt your performance on the track. 275 is probably the upper limit of the improved braking and cornering performance gains.

Of course, since this is your daily driver, there are other considerations, that may or may not be an issue for you. For instance the wheel's return to center tendency, may take longer after a sharp turn due to the larger footprint. Also, crowned and uneven road surfaces will be more pronounced, thereby giving the sensation of the car pulling to one side or the other. OTOH, knowing you Pat, these would only be minor annoyances. :)

Northern Rider
07-23-2012, 06:38 AM
Pat, I believe the widest you could go in the front is 275 with a factory SRT wheel. If the A/M wheels that you are running have the same width and offset, then you shouldn't have a problem. Honestly, I don't think you'd want to run wider that 275 in the front, as it may actually hurt your performance on the track. 275 is probably the upper limit of the improved braking and cornering performance gains.

Of course, since this is your daily driver, there are other considerations, that may or may not be an issue for you. For instance the wheel's return to center tendency, may take longer after a sharp turn due to the larger footprint. Also, crowned and uneven road surfaces will be more pronounced, thereby giving the sensation of the car pulling to one side or the other. OTOH, knowing you Pat, these would only be minor annoyances. :)

Yeah - I hear you, about having too large a contact patch on the front. The wheels have the same width and offset and right now we have a neg camber of 0.5 on the front and a touch of + toe. My street driving is limited.

The harsh reality seems to be that, at the track, driving perfect lines, my lap times will not improve and tires will wear out quickly, unless I go to a dedicated track set up with aftermarket control arms that can give me -2 camber on the front.

90 % of the cars I am running against never see the street. http://www.lxforums.com/board/images/icons/icon9.png

bigjim
07-23-2012, 08:15 AM
Hey Pat, it comes down to, if you enjoy spanking 2/3 of the towed in cars and consider that excelling, all is good, simply replace the tires with what you love that do track and highway equally well. If you want to put the "C" in front, it is time to SPEND money on it. I enjoy playing on track and won't be spending more on mine (well much more), except to try to keep it where it is with maintenance. Mine still sees ALOT of highway miles, I couldn't imagine my tire consumption with -2 degrees camber on the front.

What are your plans this weekend? Mt. Washington Saturday? Stop down for brunch and Jump in the convoy Friday morning at my house ?

lmhoward
07-23-2012, 08:25 AM
Northern: As you've figured out, -2 to -2.5 is needed up front for street tires. For track tires I'm told you need even more. I like 0 toe in the front which makes the car twitchy on the street but turn in is much better on the track. For the rear I'm best with 1/8" toe in and -.8 to -1 negative camber. Less toe in or more -camber and I have to wait for grip to get on the gas coming off the corners which kills the speed on the straight. Can anyone confirm the best LX settings for the rear?

Les

Nothing equals out running track cars on Hoosiers with a daily driver on street tires. The stickiest cheapest street tires don't come in 20's but the best I've found are Kumho XS and Hankook RS-3.

bigjim
07-23-2012, 08:37 AM
Imhoward, I didn't find grip till I put in a limited slip diff (LSD). I used a Quaiffe with stock gears last time, it is currently sitting on my shop floor waiting to go for 3.55 gears and new bearings. It was the best thing I ever did as far as getting out of the corners! BTW I run 0 toe in the rear, I played with different settings and found anything greater than nothing severly limited the top end! I run -.8 camber in the back and stock -.55 in the front with about -1/8" toe in front. As above, too many highway miles to be done with this car, twitchy is not good for 7 hour drives.

Northern Rider
07-23-2012, 09:02 AM
Hey Pat, it comes down to, if you enjoy spanking 2/3 of the towed in cars and consider that excelling, all is good, simply replace the tires with what you love that do track and highway equally well. If you want to put the "C" in front, it is time to SPEND money on it. I enjoy playing on track and won't be spending more on mine (well much more), except to try to keep it where it is with maintenance. Mine still sees ALOT of highway miles, I couldn't imagine my tire consumption with -2 degrees camber on the front.

What are your plans this weekend? Mt. Washington Saturday? Stop down for brunch and Jump in the convoy Friday morning at my house ?

Nice words of wisdom, Jim! I do enjoy tracking my car . . . however the 'racing junk' lads are developing their driving skills and track knowledge and getting faster. I have hit the wall right now with my tire / suspension set up. If I do any more it won't be streetable.

Would love to go up to Mt. Washington, Jim, but am busy this coming weekend. We are going to Tremblant, but not to race. Sally and I are having a golfing weekend. :)

bigjim
07-23-2012, 09:20 AM
Do yourself a favor and call this guy. I got my Hoosiers from him (used with LOTS of life left) at $375 for 4. Put your favorites back on the car for street and run some street slicks on an "alternate" set of wheels. You WON"T regret it. Lap times fall FAST!

John Berget Racing Tires (http://www.jbracingtires.net/)

Edit! LOL, I see Mike (CTMSRT) just posted this link in the tire thread this morning...

Northern Rider
07-23-2012, 12:45 PM
OK - so I'm thinking of running slicks at the track. What are my oprions for 18" rims (other than Borbets)?

bigjim
07-24-2012, 08:58 AM
What ever you find that fit over your brakes, please post up. The lack of 20" tires is what has kept me from even considering a suspension / brake conversion to SRT stuff.