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MattRobertson
05-29-2008, 10:20 PM
I discovered totally by accident a few minutes ago that Speedventures has added a Laguna day. This coming Saturday. As in day after tomorrow.

I don't have the fundage right now, having just bought wheels to get back my track set. And having both street and track tires all nicely mounted/balanced. So of course I thought long and hard for all of 30 seconds and hauled out the credit card.

I think I am going to try and get an interval from the starter rather than what I usually do, which is start with the other guys in traffic. I'll just let them all get 1/2 a lap ahead of me, get a clear field and go. And I've had zero instruction time. I could have actually bought quite a bit at this session since they have part and full time instructors available, but the track fees were steep this time, and I wasn't comfy blowing another $150 for 4 full sessions with a copilot. Probably a dumb move.

I got **** to get together fast. Staying the night in Fresno tonight so I'm worthless for prep here. Looks like I'm taking the afternoon off tomorrow and hauling ass home

fill gas cans (shoot self in head afterwards)
change wheels
find brake pads
find tools
find brake fluid
find tools
find track numbers
Just buy another bleeder nipple wrench. Those are too easy to lose.
duct tape
blue tape
fireproof undies
helmet
gloves
camera
charge batteries
lawn chair
hat. skinhead must have hat.
ice chest
fizzy water
sammiches
figure out what I forgot
pack carhttp://foohbar.com/ul/woohoo.gif

Ron380
05-29-2008, 10:30 PM
Congrats Matt!! :thumbs_u:

There's a good bunch of videos on YouTube with Laguna runs... maybe watch some of those a buncha times to get a better idea what you're in for!

Oh heck... hang on, I'll go find some for ya! .....

this one labels the turns!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fY3ozm3piU

(good one... but try not to do the "spin" part!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgzJ2r65rrs

nice long one with traffic-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_aVxnraXYE





That should get ya started-- Enjoy! :mrgreen:

Cam
05-29-2008, 10:33 PM
Oh hell ya, you go boy!!. :)

CoolVanilla
05-29-2008, 10:37 PM
Oh you dawg. Ohhhh you dawg. Be the first track day with the Pedders, no?

ChargerGirl
05-29-2008, 11:00 PM
Have fun!!! :)

JarZ
05-29-2008, 11:02 PM
I raced that course dozens and dozens of times.... in Gran Turismo. Man that would be so great to try for real. Have fun!

CoolVanilla
05-29-2008, 11:11 PM
Matt's done in with the Magnum at least a couple times. In fact its thought he holds the record on that course for an LX at 1:54.

Mind some spectators Matty? Might come watchu make some Porsche owners cry.

SMosher
05-29-2008, 11:13 PM
Man. This would be a blast!

Ozzie
05-29-2008, 11:14 PM
Way to go, Matt! :thumbs_u:

ChargerGirl
05-29-2008, 11:15 PM
Yes, yes it is a blast. Hoping sometime after Maddy's older and before I have any more little ones I can make it out to Laguna to drive my own car.

Matt, let us know how your set up works for you. Gotta decide whether to start putting away money for Pedders and alternate wheel/tire set ups for track days.

Leadfootluke
05-29-2008, 11:17 PM
Dang, cant wait to get impressions :)

DevilzTower
05-30-2008, 02:32 AM
I raced that course dozens and dozens of times.... in Gran Turismo. Man that would be so great to try for real. Have fun!

I hear that, I memorized that course in GT ....

:waves angry fist at left coasters: :rock:

MattRobertson
05-30-2008, 02:39 AM
Matt's done in with the Magnum at least a couple times. In fact its thought he holds the record on that course for an LX at 1:54.
hmmm. lets count:
2 years running on the SRT Track Experience driving SRT Magnums, 300's, Chargers, Crossfires and ... Vipers. The driving was epic... but getting to know and hang with the core LX crew was the real deal there. Tamara... you know what I mean.
4 separate times in my own car since 2006. Arf! Arf! Arf!Yeah a couple times. Arrrh!

Mind some spectators Matty? Might come watchu make some Porsche owners cry.
You know you never need to ask my friend. I'll be in the line waiting for the track to open at 7 am. I already have a pit crewman joining me but if you need a crash location let me know and I'll make the honeymoon suite available for you and The BossGirl.



There's a good bunch of videos on YouTube with Laguna runs
Thank you my friend but I am no stranger to this track. I literally live just down the road from Laguna Seca and I consider myself greatly privileged to be able to call it my home track. Here is my video from last year. Where I came in 3rd place behind Meister (#1) and Fast56k (#2 by a nose) but gave a great view of the line in an LX or any other car, so I've been told.

http://foohbar.com/magnum/laguna.wmv

Watch that Subaru leave my ass behind at the straight after 11. While I eventually reel his ass in and he submits, be advised that what you see on this video is why I did the Reloaded project. That one moment is where I said Fu** No! No effing way am i going to put up with someone leaving me like that, regardless of whether I can run them down and grind them to dust via driving ... eventually (which as you can see I did).

This is a monster 125mb video at 640 x 480 so just download locally and have at it.

I have told many folks privately that I will not release the video I took this April when I took temporary ownership of the LX lap record for this world-class track. It was 5 seconds faster than the video you see here. I flat out sucked at driving Darth Hemi; having just taken possession back after the full Reloaded project's completion. Plus I had other issues with the brakes. And despite this I did pretty well.

Its up to me to do better.

Hopefully I will not embarras myself on Saturday. I have some ideas on how to better my driving, and I think I have my brake issues squared away. Saturday will be a day of learning. I have a lot of work ahead of me just to get the car ready, to get my head right, and oh, yeah...




http://foohbar.com/ul/woohoo.gif

SMosher
05-30-2008, 07:25 AM
And I quote the great Matt while in the cork screw ... "Oh $hit!" *crunch*.

Thanks for the video Matt. That was fun.

gotls1
05-31-2008, 08:20 PM
Matt, here are your free pictures - just remember that you get what you pay for. :p All pics were taken from the top of the hill near the corkscrew, so if some of the shots look far, it's because they are. lol

If you want any of these in high rez, let me know.


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/gotls1/IMG_0662.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/gotls1/IMG_0663.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/gotls1/IMG_0669.jpg

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gotls1
05-31-2008, 08:22 PM
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gotls1
05-31-2008, 08:23 PM
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gotls1
05-31-2008, 08:26 PM
Here's a sequence where Matt reels in a BMW M coupe. :mrgreen:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/gotls1/IMG_0680.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/gotls1/IMG_0681.jpg

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MattRobertson
05-31-2008, 09:32 PM
Thanks M! Was great to see you both again. Bring helmets next time :D

That run where I had to come in a lap early after getting meatballed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Auto_Racing_Orange_Circle.svg) turned out to contain my personal best times. A 1:54, and a couple of 1:53's. So the new best LX lap time is down to 1:53.7. We're getting closer to a 1:49.999!

The day started out not with the predicted sun but heavy coastal fog. The kind that makes the ground - including the race track - wet. Cold and wet. A wet race track. Nice and cold so the tires stay chilly. It largely burned off but it never really warned up. The sun did come out but it went bye bye again pretty quick. On the next run after you guys left I was getting mist on my windshield in Turn 2... Hairpin after a 110 mph straight... Definitely amps up the pucker factor a tad.

So between that and the farking *traffic* I was real happy to get the kind of times I did. About that traffic... oh man I was dying out there. The bimmer in gotls1's pics was actually pretty good about pointing me by (you can see her signalling me to pass right in the next to last pic). But there were three or four guys out there that just did not follow the rules. One guy in particular in a Ferrari was pissing everyone off early, and a few guys in late model Porsches who haven't learned to drive them yet clearly were not handling the concept of a station wagon filling their mirrors well. Not well at all.

Which leads me straight into the next and most interesting part: The crowd. Showing up to a race track like this one - where it is positively filled with the best of the best in terms of sports coupes ... well, the bigass station wagon was not getting a lot of love early in the morning. I had one guy huff to me early (from across the paddock)

"You're going to run that with street tires?"

"These aren't street tires."

But as the day progressed, and I had a very good day, I wound up having the most traffic stream over to my car than I ever have seen. Some of the comments I can remember:

What kind of motor is that?
Is that stock?
You're obviously not stock.
Jesus that thing sounds incredible roaring down the track (lots of those).
That was really something seeing you keep up with those Porsches.
You would never think a station wagon is a race car that can hang, but it is.
We're not used to seeing a giant station wagon running people down out here.
When I saw you in my mirror I just pulled the hell over.It was all in fun. No matter what its a 4-door ICBM on wheels, but it can surprise people.

One picture I wish I had took: All the cars lined up at the fence in the paddock, where we all park in between sessions. I was sitting in the middle of a line of Lotuses, Bimmers and Porsches. It looked like a moving van was parked in the middle of the group, the car and its monster wheels was so big by comparison.

Speaking of pics, I forgot my camera.

Oh and I mentioned I had gotten meatballed. Turned out I had cooked my rear brakes (the rear brakes. Not the fronts). Using BP20 pads in back and H's in front (those H's are the absolute shiznit). So I get the meatball flag and I pull in and the guy waves me by. So I start to go out and another guy says "Whoa you have smoke" And right hen he says "smoke" a big cloud floats past my window and I say "Holy **** I have smoke!" and pull straight in. The rear pads were so hot from the rotors they were putting out a fair bit of smoke. I knew I smelled something but I thought it was from a Porsche in front of me that was kind of a beater.

Once they cooled, they were fine.

Oh and for you guys who know about the experiment... the SRT rotors cracked. Not much but wait until tomorrow and lets see how bad it is. If it stays as it is its not enough to junk them and I'll get another day at least out of them. At $61 each I can live with that. The rear rotors look perfect. Still. After two years. Thats gonna take some understanding.

I'm beat. Cleaning the car tomorrow is gonna be a real biatch. You have to see my wheels to believe them. The track pads are dust machines.

CoolVanilla
05-31-2008, 10:10 PM
Whooo verrry nice time Matt. Gratz!

Also gratz on the comments bud. They are very well deserved and earned.

Get some rest. I wanna hear about those tires, front rotors and how the car generally performed.

Junior
05-31-2008, 10:26 PM
Nicely done! 1:53! Whittle it down. Great corkscrew pics, M~.

MattRobertson
05-31-2008, 10:49 PM
I wanna hear ... how the car generally performed.It is a holy terror.

I hunted down and got a point-by from an Exige. Talk about an ego trip. I was able to hang with all of the Cooper S' in the corners. The straights they had no chance in and they knew it, but they fought hard in the twisty sections and I was absolutely amazed when a guy driving a Cooper S really well tried to lose me in Turn 2 and I double-apexed it, kept on the throttle, didn't lose traction and stayed right behind him. That was a thing of beauty to pull that off. And that guy had done something to that car because I was able to reel him in on the straights but I really really had to work at it, and it took awhile.

I would kill for a video of my second run because I would have had a video that you guys would have freaked over. Tons of traffic so the lap times sucked but I was just running past one car after another.

Because of the weather I spent much of the day laying off the throttle and experimenting with different things, in particular trying to use the brakes as little as possible. Plus entering and exiting stuff differently to see what happens. I have driven this track enough to have gotten set in my ways and sure enough I was doing some stuff slower than I could have. Late in the day I figured out how to get thru Turn 11 early and get on the throttle while in 1st gear before straightening out. Before if I tried that I would kick the back end out every time.

So today was a driving day using bad conditions as an excuse to slow down so I could speed up. Slower is faster as they say, and I was working that side most of today.

RobAGD
06-01-2008, 12:06 PM
Great to hear Matt, got you had fun. I soooo want to run that track some day......

Maybe take a summer off and road trip it out to the left coast for a few weeks and do nothing but race :)

How on earth can you forget the camera :mrgreen: hehehe

As far as instructors, I am kinda surprised you didnt high jack one of you speed ventures buddies for a few laps.... Funny thing is at Fontana, I got a lot out of letting on of them run my car with me in the passenger seat...

-R

X E Ryder
06-01-2008, 12:41 PM
Great write up - I found this after I "Damned" you in another thread! :)

Well done man. Looks like we need rear pads with a higher temp compound..... sigh

Throw away SRT rotors - I can live with that, at that price.

SMKG HOT
06-01-2008, 01:03 PM
Oh and for you guys who know about the experiment... the SRT rotors cracked. Not much but wait until tomorrow and lets see how bad it is. If it stays as it is its not enough to junk them and I'll get another day at least out of them. At $61 each I can live with that. The rear rotors look perfect. Still. After two years. Thats gonna take some understanding.

Matt, Did they crack? Mine haven't cracked, but did get "Hot Spots" after that 2 day beating in May. I still like the way they are holding up, until we find a better rotor to use with the brembos. I have a new set ready for August and I'll probally have these turned for spares. (And at $58.00 each, you can't go wrong).

:magburno: Great job at the Track. :thumbs_u:

bruno
06-01-2008, 01:20 PM
Great play-by-play Matt! I think you missed your calling in life, lol!

Congratulations on all your runs and your new track record. Thanks, too for beating your car to heck so others might benefit from your experiences and experiments!

bruno

MAGFX
06-01-2008, 03:28 PM
Wow, you are just having too much fun. I was on the edge of my seat just reading and viewing your write up. Good stuff and congrats, Matt!

"When I saw you in my mirror I just pulled the hell over"...classic!

MattRobertson
06-01-2008, 11:16 PM
Matt, Did they crack? Mine haven't cracked, but did get "Hot Spots" after that 2 day beating in May. I still like the way they are holding up, until we find a better rotor to use with the brembos. I have a new set ready for August and I'll probally have these turned for spares.Yeah they cracked but not everywhere. The usual tiny cracks.

When we talked today I forgot to ask: What do you mean by a hot spot? You talking about pad material getting stuck on the rotor?

I would just run the rotors you have on now. You know they're gonna wear out and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Just run em a couple more times and then chuck them (or recycle them... I'm hearing that scrap iron is bringing good money).


Looks like we need rear pads with a higher temp compound.I pulled the back wheels and took a look. It was the brakes for sure. None of the boots or bushings were bubbly or burned to ash. No sign of any damage anywhere actually. But the pads do look cooked from what little I can see of them (I was too lazy to pull them today although I need to). If I were to use B pads on the back I wonder if that would eff up the biasing? I would expect so.

Maybe there's another way. The hand-up-to-the-wheel test picked up a LOT more radiant heat from the rears after a session (my IR thermometer had a dead battery). Clearly the fronts, while hot, were getting benefit from the brake ducts/fans I let run constantly. Bilge fans are a cheap solution with low current draw. Maybe Bob can think something up for the back.


Throw away SRT rotors - I can live with that, at that price.So can I, and I think we are going to get at least three sessions out of a set. But also maybe I just wasn't treating them as well as I could have. The checkered flag lap was a cruiser. Under yellow, no passing and no braking on purpose. Then I did the paddock parade for about 5 minutes. Thats all good. But maybe I could have gone for an additional 5-10 minute drive thru the rec area for some more cooldown time. ToddTCE warned me about the need for extra precautions and, while I took them, maybe we can do more.

SRT5150
06-01-2008, 11:29 PM
I would love to know where I can get a set of SRT Rotors for 61 bucks:thumbs_u:



Thanks M! Was great to see you both again. Bring helmets next time :D

That run where I had to come in a lap early after getting meatballed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Auto_Racing_Orange_Circle.svg) turned out to contain my personal best times. A 1:54, and a couple of 1:53's. So the new best LX lap time is down to 1:53.7. We're getting closer to a 1:49.999!

The day started out not with the predicted sun but heavy coastal fog. The kind that makes the ground - including the race track - wet. Cold and wet. A wet race track. Nice and cold so the tires stay chilly. It largely burned off but it never really warned up. The sun did come out but it went bye bye again pretty quick. On the next run after you guys left I was getting mist on my windshield in Turn 2... Hairpin after a 110 mph straight... Definitely amps up the pucker factor a tad.

So between that and the farking *traffic* I was real happy to get the kind of times I did. About that traffic... oh man I was dying out there. The bimmer in gotls1's pics was actually pretty good about pointing me by (you can see her signalling me to pass right in the next to last pic). But there were three or four guys out there that just did not follow the rules. One guy in particular in a Ferrari was pissing everyone off early, and a few guys in late model Porsches who haven't learned to drive them yet clearly were not handling the concept of a station wagon filling their mirrors well. Not well at all.

Which leads me straight into the next and most interesting part: The crowd. Showing up to a race track like this one - where it is positively filled with the best of the best in terms of sports coupes ... well, the bigass station wagon was not getting a lot of love early in the morning. I had one guy huff to me early (from across the paddock)

"You're going to run that with street tires?"

"These aren't street tires."

But as the day progressed, and I had a very good day, I wound up having the most traffic stream over to my car than I ever have seen. Some of the comments I can remember:

What kind of motor is that?
Is that stock?
You're obviously not stock.
Jesus that thing sounds incredible roaring down the track (lots of those).
That was really something seeing you keep up with those Porsches.
You would never think a station wagon is a race car that can hang, but it is.
We're not used to seeing a giant station wagon running people down out here.
When I saw you in my mirror I just pulled the hell over.It was all in fun. No matter what its a 4-door ICBM on wheels, but it can surprise people.

One picture I wish I had took: All the cars lined up at the fence in the paddock, where we all park in between sessions. I was sitting in the middle of a line of Lotuses, Bimmers and Porsches. It looked like a moving van was parked in the middle of the group, the car and its monster wheels was so big by comparison.

Speaking of pics, I forgot my camera.

Oh and I mentioned I had gotten meatballed. Turned out I had cooked my rear brakes (the rear brakes. Not the fronts). Using BP20 pads in back and H's in front (those H's are the absolute shiznit). So I get the meatball flag and I pull in and the guy waves me by. So I start to go out and another guy says "Whoa you have smoke" And right hen he says "smoke" a big cloud floats past my window and I say "Holy **** I have smoke!" and pull straight in. The rear pads were so hot from the rotors they were putting out a fair bit of smoke. I knew I smelled something but I thought it was from a Porsche in front of me that was kind of a beater.

Once they cooled, they were fine.

Oh and for you guys who know about the experiment... the SRT rotors cracked. Not much but wait until tomorrow and lets see how bad it is. If it stays as it is its not enough to junk them and I'll get another day at least out of them. At $61 each I can live with that. The rear rotors look perfect. Still. After two years. Thats gonna take some understanding.

I'm beat. Cleaning the car tomorrow is gonna be a real biatch. You have to see my wheels to believe them. The track pads are dust machines.

SMosher
06-02-2008, 12:55 AM
Me also please.


I would love to know where I can get a set of SRT Rotors for 61 bucks:thumbs_u:

CoolVanilla
06-02-2008, 01:05 AM
Believe it or not, call up your local dealer. They can be had online for under $60, but then you get to pay huge shipping costs. Or give your dealer a shot and ask them to come close.

For example, just a real quick google turned them up for $64.44 here: http://tinyurl.com/6x73nt

rwalshphoto
06-02-2008, 11:02 AM
wow congrats, that must have been a blast!

MattRobertson
06-02-2008, 02:58 PM
What CoolVanilla said on the rotor prices. Swift Dodge in Sacramento wanted $85 each for them, which is essentially the MSRP number. However they sold them to me thru SVS via a lucky accident so they discounted the price to $61. $61... $85... Either way its the lowest cost solution for a really big rotor, and since they are the slotted kind that Chrysler went to after the abortions that were the first rotor design... they work great.

But they are not perfect. WaltSRT8 seems to be the guy putting that one to rest, since his are in a Brembo-caliper'd wheel and he's developing issues himself. Its just simple physics in action.

Steve Levin
06-02-2008, 07:17 PM
I wish I'd known; I would have come out. I was originally going to be racing up in Portland but ended up having to work on Friday (sigh).

Sounds like you had a lot of fun, though!

Steve

Todd TCE
06-05-2008, 11:30 PM
For $65 each they are "throw aways" and hardly worth a second thought. Even at one weekend a set they are a deal. Two weekends equate to a $65 total expense. I spend that on 5g of fuel...

MattRobertson
06-06-2008, 12:08 PM
Yup. Todd the way I see it this makes a Wilwood caliper kit a smoking deal to a whole lot more people cuz they can go to a full big brake kit on a much smaller budget.

I blew about $105 in gas that day. The 1/2 tank or so I had plus the three 5 gal cans of gas I brought with me cuz I didn't want to pay $8/gallon at the track.

BTW After a lot of poking around and talking with folk we are thinking the smoke I was generating from the rear of the car was not the brakes smoking, strictly speaking. I probably had some dried fluid and general crud on the rear calipers and, once they got good and hot, simply was burning whatever it is off. Another theory thorwn out was the caliper and the pots swelled unequally as they got really hot and maybe a little fluid leaked out and started burning. I will probably have the time to pull the pads this weekend and get a look at the pads themselves and inside the caliper.

The garage still has "that smell" that started when the smoke started, despite the fact I have had the garage open from two sides and very well ventilated. Smells almost like the bunsen burner smell when you were in science class, and turned on the gas before igniting the burner with the sparker. Remember that gas smell? Thats what I remember this smell as.

BTW also as pad wear goes, it went GREAT! My revised style of driving no doubt helped this, but I was using my set of partially-worn H pads (still had the slots in em so not too worn down) and half-worn BP-20's in the back. I am down to 1/4" on both, so to be on the safe side I will call them done, but thats two full days on a super-hard-on-the-pads course. I still have a new set of front H's and rear BP20's so I'm good for probably the rest of my track appearances this year. Also the H pads gave no sign whatsoever of grinding on the front rotors. Perfectly shiney and smooth. No question in my mind they are the best pad I have ever tried for track use.

Todd TCE
06-06-2008, 02:39 PM
General thoughts.

1. BP20s may prove not up to the sustained temps we see out back. They give up with higher temps. But that's nice for over biasing the rear. May want to try Poly E (not shown) for a more similar bite but more durable temp.

2. Burnt smell may be pads, fluid, or...powder coat on the hat surface. Take a look.

3. Rear hat bolts. Let's check them out. I'd say for you needs if not running back up nuts on them we should be. Little thread engagement, high heat, loss of black pc may make for less than stable interface.

4. You're off my fave customer list. I liked you better buying rotors....!

Todd TCE
06-11-2008, 02:59 PM
How about a W6a caliper for a 1.375+ wide rotor guys?

Stand by.

MattRobertson
06-11-2008, 03:38 PM
BP20s may prove not up to the sustained temps we see out back. They give up with higher temps. But that's nice for over biasing the rear. May want to try Poly E (not shown) for a more similar bite but more durable temp. We oughtta talk on that so I can get a better idea of what the score is. Bottom line is I am really happy as to my brake performance that day. I'm pretty sure I only got hot fluid that day and didn't boil it since I saw ZERO bubbles when bleeding all day. Still, I bled every time under the theory that I'd rather spend a few bucks in fluid rather than risk having a suboptimal session. Next time I am going to skip the bleeds entirely based on the no-bubbles situation I saw before and see what happens when the fluid is allowed to cool a bit, only. I think my kinder/gentler approach to driving, coupled to the powered ducts that have demonstrated a 200-degree drop in temp versus the rears, have changed the fluid situation.



2. Burnt smell may be pads, fluid, or...powder coat on the hat surface. Take a look.I have, although I was lazy and didn't pull the pads. Maybe this weekend. Anyway its not powder coating I don't think. The caliper looks fine. Some of what happened may be just general flashing off of crud on the caliper once it got hot enough to burn off dried brake fluid or whatever. I'll make sure I take pics of the pads. They looked lighter-colored and whitish around the edges from little what I saw when crawling under the car.



3. Rear hat bolts. Let's check them out. I'd say for you needs if not running back up nuts on them we should be. Little thread engagement, high heat, loss of black pc may make for less than stable interface.Hah! Remember I'm the guy that was the poster child for adding those backup nuts in the first place, when I had some back out you sent out some longer bolts and the nuts and that ended the problem. From what I hear you upgraded some other guys too after that. Are those standard now?



4. You're off my fave customer list. I liked you better buying rotors....!Yeah I figured as much. I debated whether to highlight the SRT rotors and I'm thinking for our members this makes your kit a whole lot more attractive for any kind of brake upgrade. EDIT: and besides it looks like I will make up for it by buying spacers. I can't find my second set now. Boy am I pissed and I am going to take the garage apart. I can't believe they disappeared again.


How about a W6a caliper for a 1.375+ wide rotor guys?I am in lust with that caliper. XE Ryder had better not leave me anywhere near his car in the paddock. I have floor jacks and a torque wrench and I can have those calipers switched in the time it takes him to go thru the lunch counter line. The W6a is definitely on my radar for an upgrade, when I get mod money again. It is just too capable ... and, uh, too bitchen-looking.

Todd TCE
06-11-2008, 09:32 PM
I finished up drawing the bridge spacer for the W6a and sent the file to the water jet shop today Matt. I also sent the crossover tube out for a quote. Won't be difficult to do this really. I'm gong evaluate some issues on exactly what I want to do but I'm targeting 1.375-1.400" application, maybe larger od too depending upon stud.

And yes I could do the W6a on Brembos for anyone who wants to do that now based on how you did this with the BSL6r part. I'd need to work maybe with JT and see if he has time to check shim requirements for the mount center change on this rotor. I'd hope we don't need to do any change to the bracket. That would be bad.


Hey, where are the bikini gals??

MattRobertson
06-11-2008, 11:36 PM
Bikini girls are back. The alternative was too horrible to keep. I'll try and call you this week. BTW when I got the H pads out I found they weren't as worn as I thought. The dam things are good for another day.

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