Dyno CMR Tuning Pricing??

[BritishNate]

What are people paying for dyno CMR tuning??

I have spoken to 2 different shops locally to me here in phoenix and 1 wants about $700 and the other said it could be as much as $900???

These prices seem really high to me. Anyone have any thoughts? What should I expect to pay and should I be looking for anything in particular??

Thanks.

[SKULLBOY]

What are people paying for dyno CMR tuning??

I have spoken to 2 different shops locally to me here in phoenix and 1 wants about $700 and the other said it could be as much as $900???

These prices seem really high to me. Anyone have any thoughts? What should I expect to pay and should I be looking for anything in particular??

Thanks.

I paid $125.00 per hour for CMR/Dyno tuning At Carb-Connection in Kirkland WA........

Look for a shop that is familiar and experienced with LX based vehicles............

[BritishNate]

I paid $125.00 per hour for CMR/Dyno tuning At Carb-Connection in Kirkland WA........

Look for a shop that is familiar and experienced with LX based vehicles............

How many hours did it take them?

[Mymopar]

This is really apples to oranges but it may give you an idea:
http://lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=137508

CMR $375 for up to 4 hours add $100 for dyno time and $75 per hour after that and you get $700. So your estimate isn't that out of line. $900 on high side, I guess it depends on your mods. For simple bolt ons and cam I'd imagine the car can get tuned within 4 hours.
Superchargers will take longer I'd imagine.

[SKULLBOY]

How many hours did it take them?

I had two sessions.............the first session cost me $450.00.........There were problems with my based S/C'd tune..............got the car properly drivable, but I ran out of time and had to leave............The owner told me to come back when I had time and they would finish tuning the car at no extra charge........

All together I guess there was at least 7 to 8 hours of Dyno CMR tuning.........

[Junior]

I don't know if I've just been fortunate in the tuner I use, but four hours in person seems like way too long to tune anything but a one-off monster build, no?

CMR Histo make that much of a difference? And if so, why isn't everyone using it yet?

[seanol]

If you are getting a tune, does this include datalogging? You would not be able to tune the entire range available in CMR on a dyno unless you have a lot of time and fancy equipment.

Some experienced tuners may have a tune close to your combo that may only need to be tweaked at open loop for proper running but if you have a combination that is unique you will need to do a combo datalogging and dyno session to get everything working.

Make sure that the tuner has loading capabilities as well. An inertia dyno will not hit all the points you need to tune open loop ve tables.

I would pay around $450 for a tune for a more standard combo with updates at a certain number for free then so much per update after that. Dyno time should not be more than $125 to $175 per hour but supply may dictate that if you don't have many tuners to choose from.

Just as an aside, as long as you don't have a wild combo you should be able to get within 90% of what your max number will be on a dyno with logs.

Hope that helps,
Sean

[BritishNate]

I have a 3.5 V6 and so it is very new territory for the tuners and they seem to be a lot harder to tune than the V8's. I just dont want to drop a bunch of money into a tune and it not work.

[SKULLBOY]

I don't know if I've just been fortunate in the tuner I use, but four hours in person seems like way too long to tune anything but a one-off monster build, no?

Well, I am tuning a S/C'd 3.5L, so this is pretty much new ground as CMR tuning goes..............Justin at Modern Muscle is the expert on this combo, and could probably dial in my tune pretty quick, but Chicago is a little bit of a drive for me!!!!

Plus you have to factor in cooling down time...............We let the car sit for 20 mins then did another pull and saw HP go up 10 HP...............

The Dyno I was on was a Dynojet loading dyno that has AWD capabilities...........and Data was loged during the pulls.......

[BobCrespo]

Good stuff Sean.
The best all around tunes IMO are a combination of Road/Track and Dyno.
More information the better.
When possible I like to send an email basetune to the customer a week or so before their
appointment to let the adaptives fill in.When the car gets here I can do a stepped load test while logging then run it through the histo and usually nail the part throttles down fairly quick leaving more time for WOT.

If you are getting a tune, does this include datalogging? You would not be able to tune the entire range available in CMR on a dyno unless you have a lot of time and fancy equipment.

Some experienced tuners may have a tune close to your combo that may only need to be tweaked at open loop for proper running but if you have a combination that is unique you will need to do a combo datalogging and dyno session to get everything working.

Make sure that the tuner has loading capabilities as well. An inertia dyno will not hit all the points you need to tune open loop ve tables.

I would pay around $450 for a tune for a more standard combo with updates at a certain number for free then so much per update after that. Dyno time should not be more than $125 to $175 per hour but supply may dictate that if you don't have many tuners to choose from.

Just as an aside, as long as you don't have a wild combo you should be able to get within 90% of what your max number will be on a dyno with logs.

Hope that helps,
Sean

[GoManGo613]

Oh yea Bob !!!!! Guys,Bobs the man !!!!!

[q8charger]

I have Software CMR

[seanol]

Britishnate,
You will want to find a tuner that has experience with the v6 platform.

My opinion only, when you push the envelope you can't do it on a budget. If you want to try to help a tuner develop experience in v6's you will be working on it for a while. I would try to work a deal with one for a reduced rate as they will be learning on your vehicle and then selling that experience to their customers.

Think about it this way, if you go to a big name tuner and get a tune, that tune has been developed on a number of cars and that cumulative data is their experience (not all of it but the specifics).

If you are going to be the first you are valid in having an expectation of reduced costs in light of the inevitable setbacks that will occur.

Good luck,
Sean

[BritishNate]

Britishnate,
You will want to find a tuner that has experience with the v6 platform.

My opinion only, when you push the envelope you can't do it on a budget. If you want to try to help a tuner develop experience in v6's you will be working on it for a while. I would try to work a deal with one for a reduced rate as they will be learning on your vehicle and then selling that experience to their customers.

Think about it this way, if you go to a big name tuner and get a tune, that tune has been developed on a number of cars and that cumulative data is their experience (not all of it but the specifics).

If you are going to be the first you are valid in having an expectation of reduced costs in light of the inevitable setbacks that will occur.

Good luck,
Sean

I accept what you are saying about having to accept I will have to pay a fair amount for it but like you say this is going to open up the potential for some income for whoever figures it out so a deal to help both of us out is what i think I am looking for at this point.

I have already spent a ton of money getting to this point and I was thinking at most I would have to pay like $500 for Dyno Tuning!!

[seanol]

Britishnate,
Look at it from an hourly standpoint.

When I was tuning a car from scratch it would take 2 days to get it to run closed loop on the tables properly. That is a stand alone system on an untested vehicle. This is a race car so I didn't have to mess around with alot of areas on the tables that a street car will have to run acceptably at.

You will need at least 1 to 2 days of tuning to find out all the areas that need to be adjusted. From there you will need to test some of those areas to make sure there are no adverse effects like poor or harsh throttle response, timing issues, overheating.

This is assuming that you have a tuner with v6 experience on your platform and is willing to do the development work. If you can find a tuner that already has tunes for your car you will be much further ahead of the curve and will spend less. You may have to go email first and just log dyno runs locally.

You also want to make sure the tune is middle of the road in concerns for your enviornment. A tune that works well in AZ with more timing and modified ve tables will make good horsepower but then you travel to California or New Mexico and you may find that the adaptives are maxed out because of the difference in altitude, temperature and conditions. Detonation or a rich condition could result.

I am not helping you with an answer to your question, and I am sorry about that, but I hope you are more prepared for the road you are traveling.

Good luck,
Sean