Chrysler 300 Diesel

[mikeyb]

Specs are out for the European 2006 300 CRD model. 3.0L V6, 207hp, 376lb-ft. torque @ 1600rpms, Common Rail Injection, Variable Vane Turbocharger, 24v DOHC and will use the current MB 5spd auto.

MikeyB

[Rev.Hammer]

I had an idea a while back about building a 1969-70 Imperial with a wicked Modded Cummins turbo Diesel!

[gn300]

That would work!

[Rev.Hammer]

HUGE AND FAST Hehheheehe!!!

[GoofyGuy]

thats a ton of torque.

[FStephenMasek]

Here is a link to nice pictures of the car:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...threadid=19961

It is scandalous that the wonderful and clean diesel engines sold in Europe are not available here (with a very few exceptions, and not in the five states which copy California emission regulations). Cleaner (ultra-low sulphur) diesel fuel is coming soon, so that should help.

One of the magazines (maybe C&D) compared the Mercedes E320 diesel and E320 gasoline engine cars last year. The diesel car was substantially faster and obtained 40% better fuel mileage. Plus, it will last longer, and should therefore also have a higher resale value.

I see that they claim that the 300C sedan with this engine reaches 62 MPH in just 7.6 seconds, and that the Touring (wagon) reaches 62MPH in just 7.9 seconds, and that the fuel consumption on the European test routine is about 32MPG. Who wouldn't want that?

I would go so far as to say that we should just switch to diesel and phase out gasoline.

[MaineMagnumRT]

How has Old Navy not found this Thread?

[MCaesar]

Here is a link to nice pictures of the car:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...threadid=19961

It is scandalous that the wonderful and clean diesel engines sold in Europe are not available here (with a very few exceptions, and not in the five states which copy California emission regulations). Cleaner (ultra-low sulphur) diesel fuel is coming soon, so that should help.

One of the magazines (maybe C&D) compared the Mercedes E320 diesel and E320 gasoline engine cars last year. The diesel car was substantially faster and obtained 40% better fuel mileage. Plus, it will last longer, and should therefore also have a higher resale value.

I see that they claim that the 300C sedan with this engine reaches 62 MPH in just 7.6 seconds, and that the Touring (wagon) reaches 62MPH in just 7.9 seconds, and that the fuel consumption on the European test routine is about 32MPG. Who wouldn't want that?

I would go so far as to say that we should just switch to diesel and phase out gasoline.

There are other issues with diesels. One of which is that I don't agree that they last that much longer. That was true years ago when most gasoline engines were put together like crap. That is not true any more.

I had a 95 Impala SS that ran 245,000 miles before I sold it and all I ever did to the engine was change the oil every 3,000 and tune it up every 100,000. Most modern engines, if properly maintained, will outlast the car built around them.

I had an 88 Mustang that was still running strong and turning mid 13s in the 1/4 after 188,000 miles. The rest of car was crap though

[snow_mag]

I'd buy a diesel LX in a heartbeat. On the high prairie a long legged car pays for itself real fast. In town the HP may be down from the 3.5HO but the torque would really liven up the through-the-intersection times. My old VW TD would walk through the intersection surprizingly well - until you had to shift.

[MCaesar]

DaimlerChrysler Sees Success for Diesels in U.S.

The Daily Auto Insider
Friday, July 15, 2005
July 2005


In the future, diesel-powered cars may account for half of all vehicles sold in the United States, Reuters reported, citing Thomas Weber, the head of research and technology for DaimlerChrysler's Mercedes Car Group.

Weber said performance, durability, and fuel efficiency of diesel engines could win converts from gasoline engines, especially once low-sulfur diesel fuel — which will allow advanced emission control technology in diesel engines and will substantially improve air quality — becomes widely available in the United States as of next year, the story said.

Diesel engines are showing up in more vehicles, including some expensive models, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Among the new diesel entries are a $50,000 sedan from Mercedes-Benz, a diesel Jeep Liberty, and a diesel-fueled Volkswagen Touareg.

Going against the diesel are an enduring reputation as loud, smelly and weak. Environmental groups criticize their high emission levels. And diesel fuel — which is carried at only about 30% of filling stations nationwide — now often costs more than gas.

Even so, diesels are grabbing a bigger share of the market. There are now 14 diesel models for sale in the U.S., up from 11 last year. Automakers sold nearly 500,000 diesels here in 2004, up 31% from 2002, the WSJ noted, citing the Power Information Network. These vehicles accounted for 2.9% of the U.S. light-vehicle market in 2004 — up from 2.2% in 2002.

Diesels go farther on a gallon of fuel. That's the benefit. Remember Al Gore's 80-mpg car? It was to be a turbo-diesel backed up by a hybrid drivetrain. The EPA mileage of the V-10 Touareg is 17 city and 23 highway versus 14 and 21 for the Hemi-powered Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Felmy adds that diesel costs will rise in 2006 when new regulations demand a reduction in sulfur content from 500 ppm now to 15 ppm for highway fuel, this to enable particulate traps and NOx catalysts to reduce exhaust emissions.

The diesel combustion cycle is inherently more efficient than the spark-ignition gasoline cycle, producing as much as 30-percent-better fuel economy in road cars, according to some sources. But public enthusiasm for efficiency always comes down to the cost of it. Diesel boosters cite Europe, where 43 percent of new cars are diesels; 57 percent of Mercedes-Benz cars sold there are diesels. We'll follow, they say. No, we won't. Most of Europe gives a tax break for diesel fuel, resulting in diesel prices up to 40 percent lower than gasoline in Poland, for example, more like 10 percent in Germany, and no benefit in Switzerland. No surprise that diesels don't do well in Switzerland.

In Europe, diesels are the performance option. As the Touareg V-10 demonstrates, the current generation of variable-vane exhaust turbines gives turbo-diesels giddy torque. Americans, too, like torque. That's why we buy gasoline engines in ever larger displacements. Easy for us, because we have no tax on displacement. Germany has an annual tax, rising with each 100cc of displacement; a three-liter driver pays twice that of a 1.5-liter. So a diesel, with big torque from a small displacement, appeals as a tax dodge.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....&page_number=2

Here is another one:

http://www.automotive.com/features/90/auto-news/11271/

[mikeyb]

There are some issues still need to be solved with our crappy US diesel fuel. Crap diesel fuel and high pressure common rails don't get along too well, usual symptoms is clogged ports on the injector tip from carbon and soot. The only way to combat this issue is to run a diesel fuel additive with every tank and drive it like you stole it. Hopefully with ULSD this issue will be resolved.
As for longivity, some of it's debatable. Under severe working conditions diesel do last longer than gassers. Looking at the towing crowds. Most big block gassers that tow alot usually start having issues around the 150k. Diesels easily tend to go twice that and much more under the same conditions.
And then there's the fuel economy........

MikeyB

[Padre Dave]

I have owned turbo diesel Ford trucks for the past 15 years and would buy a 300/Magnum/Charger diesel in a nanosecond. Why, oh why, can't we have them here?

[MCaesar]

FRANKFURT, Germany - A number of European automakers came to the hybrid party at the Frankfurt auto show, simultaneously arguing that diesel powertrains are a more efficient answer to fuel economy concerns.


DaimlerChrysler AG brought the two technologies together in a concept car called the Bluetec Hybrid. Claimed to be the cleanest diesel in the world, the "mild hybrid" S-Class-based concept marries a 3.5 liter V-6 diesel with an electric motor for stop-start use.

Mercedes says the Bluetec design is being tested in fleets and will meet stringent California emissions standards that have kept manufacturers from selling diesels in that state.

At DaimlerChrysler the strategy is to make gasoline cars as efficient as diesels, and diesels as clean as gasoline cars, said Dr. Thomas Weber, head of research and development.

While presenting its new hybrid system, DaimlerChrysler still emphasized the superiority of diesel engines, referring to a magazine fuel consumption test that compared a cross-country drive in a Lexus hybrid and a Mercedes diesel E class sedan. The diesel returned significantly better fuel consumption.

Diesel?

http://www.detnews.com/2005/insiders...uto-316790.htm

[EHUPP01]

They claim its good for 8.3 liters/100 kilometers that works out to 28 mpg.

[Old Navy]

How has Old Navy not found this Thread?

Old gizzer effect I guess.

Here is link to article I posted here back in the spring when I heard there was talk about offering this engine to Chrysler for Europe '06 and US for '07 model year.