3.0L CRD Diesel

[gooeytek]

Shot of importing a Chrysler 300C Touring into the US:


I think a nice project car would be to take an engine out of a diesel Sprinter and put it in an LX. Granted, the Sprinter's 3.0 CRD is largely detuned compared to the Euro 300C (or 320-series Benz, for that matter), I think it'd be a worthwhile alternative (powerwise) to say, the 2.7 or maybe even the 3.5 engines offered domestically. It'll be ready for when biodiesels really take off and become mainstream. Discuss.

[JarZ]

The 3.0L common rail turbo diesel in the European LX car has a 0-60 mph time of right around 7 seconds. Compare that to the approximate 6 seconds for the 5.7L Hemi and you get an idea of the power. Peak HP isn't a lot but TQ is insane so it moves quite well. 35 mph highway. I'd get one in a heartbeat. Way better than a 2.7 or 3.5 in any configuration.

EDIT - and don't forget incredible longevity. Mercedes uses their diesels in a lot of cars as that's very popular in Europe, especially for taxis. MB diesels have a reputation for lasting FOREVER basically and since the cars used for taxis in for example Denmark where I'm from are so expensive from new, the car needs to have driven roughly 155000 miles before it has earned its value being a taxi and only then is it sold to the average consumer at a reasonable price (cars are extremely expensive in DK). The new owner then has the car for another 150-200k miles easy. It's really technology that is built to last.

[gooeytek]

I agree with everything up there. Reason I brought up the Sprinter diesel is that it's fairly common here in the US. Sadly, it's a lot less powerful than the diesels found in the Euro 300's (more torque than the 3.5, less hp than the 2.7).and I think a whole lot cheaper than getting the version found in the MB 320 line (basically the BlueTec diesel, and the only way these are in the US).

[formerice]

You might find one out of a wreck in Europe to import. You would need to get the computer . Still would be issues with the wiring to sort out. Now if you were to build a drag car Magnum with a 1,200 hp Cummins.

[gooeytek]

yea, my next door neighbor has a 3500 Ram with a 6.7 Cummins. With some minor engine mods, some bolt-on kit and a tuner, he says he's making something like 700hp + 1000+ lbs/ft of torque. insane.

[Tbird100636]

The HP and Torque #s provided for the 2007-09 Sprinter 3.0L V6 have always been wrong. The engine tags are marked wrong as well. They list the same specs. as the 2003-06 Sprinter 2.7L I5. The correct #'s are listed for the Grand Cherokee though. 215 HP and 376 lb-ft of torque. There is no major difference in power between the Sprinter and GC versions. Only difference is in the EGR system.

[gooeytek]

That's good to hear then. I might just make a go of this over the winter

[AndrewWK]

wow. i am glad i am not the only one that would like to import a 300 touring either. and the power from a diesl omg. you could destroy the drag if done right. people would not know what hit them.

god could you just see it now. black smoke coming out the back. bc our engines are out of this world. lol poeple would not know what to do.

[TheRedMonkey]

The diesel MPG is way higher as well.

[JarZ]

That's good to hear then. I might just make a go of this over the winter

Btw I work for an international freight forwarder so I can get you a quote for actually bringing in the car from Europe when you're ready. The whole car or just the engine, whichever way you want to go.

[DevilzTower]

yea, my next door neighbor has a 3500 Ram with a 6.7 Cummins. With some minor engine mods, some bolt-on kit and a tuner, he says he's making something like 700hp + 1000+ lbs/ft of torque. insane.

I'm a diesel head and know the Cummins pretty well ... there is no flipping way he's putting down 700 hp with minor tweaks. You need big mods to make that kind of power. Nothing internal ('cept maybe headstuds) ... big lots o cash

The bolt on kit better have been twin turbos and twin CP3s (injection pumps) ... plus I would surmise at that power level the DPF is long gone, making him an illegal begal ...

ask to see the dyno sheets.

[SubTexel]

I'm a diesel head and know the Cummins pretty well ... there is no flipping way he's putting down 700 hp with minor tweaks. You need big mods to make that kind of power. Nothing internal ('cept maybe headstuds) ... big lots o cash

The bolt on kit better have been twin turbos and twin CP3s (injection pumps) ... plus I would surmise at that power level the DPF is long gone, making him an illegal begal ...

ask to see the dyno sheets.

+1, though wasn't the 6.7 also pre-DPF? I know my 2007 Classic Silverado had the LBZ (no DPF). God I miss that truck.

I know to get to 700hp (rwhp) on a Duramax twin liftpumps, healthy turbo upgrade (no need for duals), and some great tuning were in order (not to mention the supporting mods like an upgraded transmission, injectors, head studs, etc...).

500rwhp on tunes only are easy though, just not easy on the motor or trans that's for sure.

So long as this 3.0L for the 300s is tunable, I'd buy one and mod it up for some Diesel fun. Or, I can just buy a 2.7 and spend a ton of money to drop a LBZ motor and Allison transmission into (Or a beefed up 4L80E).

[gooeytek]

I don't think my neighbor's ram has been dyno'd. He did show me the aftermarket exhaust that was installed, and I don't know what the DPF is, but he showed me where it was deleted, along with the cats. He saw me playing with my Predator, and he showed me his programmer which looked like a Trinity, but it was an Edge, not Diablosport. The numbers he gave me were a cumulative guess I think, based on the reported gains of these mods. The thing definitely hauls, even with his boat in tow.

[orandaberg]

Hi
There are all kinds of things you can do with the CRD, I'm having fun chipping an reprograming the transmission,I have 260BHP an 600 torque now,going for an intercooler and rechipping and dyno to reprograme the trans to get around 290 BHP an 685 torque, i've heard it can go as high as 301 BHP from a shop in the UK

[Tbird100636]

+1, though wasn't the 6.7 also pre-DPF? I know my 2007 Classic Silverado had the LBZ (no DPF). God I miss that truck.

I know to get to 700hp (rwhp) on a Duramax twin liftpumps, healthy turbo upgrade (no need for duals), and some great tuning were in order (not to mention the supporting mods like an upgraded transmission, injectors, head studs, etc...).

500rwhp on tunes only are easy though, just not easy on the motor or trans that's for sure.

So long as this 3.0L for the 300s is tunable, I'd buy one and mod it up for some Diesel fun. Or, I can just buy a 2.7 and spend a ton of money to drop a LBZ motor and Allison transmission into (Or a beefed up 4L80E).

Nope. All 6.7L's got a DPF.