New Fugita vs Bwoody CAI

[robstorredr/t]

Alright Guys, I'm back in the market for a CAI system (again). I've heard some talk about the Fugita and Bwoody intake systems that extend down into the wheel well. Has anyone used this type of intake on a 5.7L? Do you get any significant gains over the short RAM intakes (DUB, AFE Stage2, or K&N for example) or is it just hype? They claim higher gains at higher RPMs compared to the short RAM systems.

Thanks,
Rob

[BoiseHemi]

So far I would have to say hype....seems that the Air Hammer is really the only one to put some good numbers down.....but who knows.

[Samoan Tsunami]

Alright Guys, I'm back in the market for a CAI system (again). I've heard some talk about the Fugita and Bwoody intake systems that extend down into the wheel well. Has anyone used this type of intake on a 5.7L? Do you get any significant gains over the short RAM intakes (DUB, AFE Stage2, or K&N for example) or is it just hype? They claim higher gains at higher RPMs compared to the short RAM systems.

Thanks,
Rob

those systems are called CAI's... the short rams being passed off as CAI's currently have their place. it all depends from car to car though. its not a "just hype" ordeal.

some cars do perform better.

here, the answers will be biased as not many intakes have been tested, but many have been criticized.

difference between a short ram intake and a cai, straight from AEM:

http://aempower.com/Faqs.aspx?FaqCategoryID=17

Q: What’s the Difference between a Cold Air System (CAS) and a Short Ram (SRS)?A: In most cases a CAS will out perform a SRS throughout the useable power range. AEM emphasizes developing power in the lower to mid range of the power band, since this is the area of the power band typically used in daily driving. A CAS is typically longer and places the air filter outside of the engine bay to achieve ambient inlet air temperatures. A SRS places the air filter under the hood and uses a shorter inlet pipe than the CAS. In some cases, the SRS is preferred over the CAS due to inlet tract length tuning. The power advantage gained by using the correct diameter and length of tube negates the advantage of cooler inlet air in these cases. In these instances AEM only offers SRS in some cases because there was no advantage to using the CAS. These applications are noted in the search results.

many parts with the LX crowd are mislabelled. takes some getting use to though. like people claim jet makes a "chip"... they dont.

jet makes a MODULE. the last cars to get chips were obd1 cars. since obd2 in 1996, most everything has been a reflash, so you need a programmer. even jet states this and has the differences labelled and shown on their page, yet people here still call it a chip.


but real simple, when someone says something is hype, simply ask for their dyno sheets on said product, or even simple logic as to why it wont work.....(no disrespect meant towards anyone) most of the newer products havent even gotten a fair shake due to the bias among LX owners.

g'luck with your decision though...

[Clears]

I don't know about these brands, but from my seat of the pants dyno, I am extremely happy with the GS Motorsports CAI, goes into the front fender well like the Fugita and Bwoody. I have not been in an lx with the other style intake, but again, am very happy with my results.

[MattRobertson]

here, the answers will be biased as not many intakes have been tested, but many have been criticized.

Incorrect. Look at the MFO subforum here for the Mods Face Off and Great Intake Face Off test series, and their results. The LX platform has received *extensive* independent testing, including two of the filter-down-low style of intakes: Hennessey and GSM.

At the time MFO was held we had tested every intake on the market except one: Fujita's short ram intake. They claimed a gain of 44 rwhp AND 58 ft lbs torque. With no tuning. When every other intake on Earth tested out as... Well look up the results.

Even though I was able to speak directly with the right people at Fujita they declined to participate. They have since hidden away the dyno sheets that showed those... impressive gains.

some cars do perform better.

Agreed, but the LX platform isn't one of them. It makes perfect common sense to say that a filter feeding air in from outside the engine compartment will be feeding in air that is closer to ambient temperature. However in actual practice -- after even more tests -- it doesn't work that way with these cars if you spend a few minutes making a minor mod.

like people claim jet makes a "chip"... they dont <snip> yet people call it a chip

Don't get so wrapped up in semantics that you lose sight of what actually matters. Either that or you need to go teach Jet Performance the same lesson you were teaching us. Note their web site name.

http://jetCHIP.com

Don't think the people here don't know the difference between a cold air intake and a short ram. More than likely they know how to get ambient air (notice how I didn't say "cold" which is a bogus term in and of itself) to their motors without plumbing the filter outside the engine cavity.

..or even simple logic as to why it wont work

And there is your mistake. Taking general knowledge and applying it as gospel to a specific case without knowing whether it applies. In this case you'll find after doing some research it does not.

.....(no disrespect meant towards anyone) most of the newer products havent even gotten a fair shake due to the bias among LX owners.

And none to you. But before you start teaching classes, know the curriculum.

[Samoan Tsunami]

Incorrect. Look at the MFO subforum here for the Mods Face Off and Great Intake Face Off test series, and their results. The LX platform has received *extensive* independent testing, including two of the filter-down-low style of intakes: Hennessey and GSM.

At the time MFO was held we had tested every intake on the market except one: Fujita's short ram intake. They claimed a gain of 44 rwhp AND 58 ft lbs torque. With no tuning. When every other intake on Earth tested out as... Well look up the results.

Even though I was able to speak directly with the right people at Fujita they declined to participate. They have since hidden away the dyno sheets that showed those... impressive gains.

44rwhp? seems a bit much, in this case for me its the whole too good to be true thing. thats a bit of using the simple logic thing, where you said it shouldnt be used. if i remember right, i dont believe the airhammer gained anywhere NEAR 40whp, and even K&N only claims 21. something like that, the BS flag would rise. it should for others as well.

and they hid the dyno sheets? has anyone else here tested em since then? or tested any of the new ones. you might be right, the LX doesnt respond to em. so far its shown it hasnt from whoever did the dyno tests, but new parts on the market doesnt necessarily mean the newer parts arent improved over the older ones.

"dont criticize the cuisine before its served".

Agreed, but the LX platform isn't one of them. It makes perfect common sense to say that a filter feeding air in from outside the engine compartment will be feeding in air that is closer to ambient temperature. However in actual practice -- after even more tests -- it doesn't work that way with these cars if you spend a few minutes making a minor mod.

hence the reason why not many companies make one. if theres no gain to be made or said company hasnt gone as far. but as it stands the link you directed me towards... Mods Face Off Result: GSM Intake thats showing the GSM intake tested. its NOT showing either of the intakes the original poster asked about. like said above, it might still hold true, but with the new parts havent been tested as the ones tested were a YEAR AGO... things can change. sometimes not. do you have dyno sheets of the ones he asked about in particular?

Don't get so wrapped up in semantics that you lose sight of what actually matters. Either that or you need to go teach Jet Performance the same lesson you were teaching us. Note their web site name.

http://jetCHIP.com

jetchip has been around for years, back when we were modding 86-95 j-bodies... back then they made chips. its not really semantics, its just call something what it is. a duck is a duck a spade is a spade. they make modules for us. they make chips for GM cars running obd1 computers. http://www.jetchip.com/products.asp?pid=23393

we dont call the few programmers available, a chip. jetperformance sells programmers but they are called "power programmers". thats what i would call them, thats what the company calls em.

they make a module for us...so thats what i call it. more or less probably because i'm basing it off the fact that i have actually ordered, installed and used actual chips (where you open up the computer, and go inside it to replace the chip, not just pluging up a middle translator outside the ECU) from Jetperformance for a 91 second gen jbody from gm. sorry if i'm a bit old school. from the people i learned from with all the older 60's and 70's muscle cars, small things like calling nitrous, nitrous...rather than just calling it NOS, which is a brand of nitrous.

Don't think the people here don't know the difference between a cold air intake and a short ram. More than likely they know how to get ambient air (notice how I didn't say "cold" which is a bogus term in and of itself) to their motors without plumbing the filter outside the engine cavity.

do a search and read through some of the posts back through 05 and 06, there have been quite a few posts here stating CAI bring in colder air, and its up under the hood. wheres the logic there? yes people do actually believe that magically running a short ram intake labelled a CAI, brings in cooler air. its also on the chargerforums with a S as well.

And there is your mistake. Taking general knowledge and applying it as gospel to a specific case without knowing whether it applies. In this case you'll find after doing some research it does not.

agree partially and disagree partially. there are some things about how an engine works that arent really up for discussion. its basically a fact that engines are air pumps and 4 cycle setups. you can use simple logic to explain a multitude of things with engines, especially in ways of mechanically increasing power, example such as velocity of exhaust gases causing better scavenging. thats just one example, but its pretty much a universal simple logic. and its been tested....but still how many exhaust posts on here where people are still sayin "you need backpressure"....which is false. backpressure will always be there, but the less the better. its a science thats been tested and prove for years. but yet some still dont get it.

And none to you. But before you start teaching classes, know the curriculum.

none taken, and i'm not teaching any classes, but if this is supposed to be a discussion, we have two options. one can add to the discussion and give your views, or sit there as the kid who doesnt say anything. considering this is an online forum for discussion, i do my share of sitting, reading, thinking and giving feedback. if you or anyone has anything to add to something, it would be nice for a change if people could do the same without thinking that someone is trying to "teach gospel" as you put it and simply add to the discussion. opposing views will always occur, but theres either showing your side and explaining so that accurate knowledge is passed on, or people can gain temper and argue. i;d rather see the first, but these days its usually the latter. know what i mean brah?

[netnathan]

The ones that have the filter outside the engine compartment and down low like the BWoody, GSM, and the Fujita require a LOT more service and/or inspection like every 2000 miles. They get dirt fast. However they are breathing the coldest air.

The high flowing units with minimum bends and large diameter inlet piping fed from an large diam filter seem to be the best.
The 2 highest ranking examples of these:
AFE Stage II
AirHammer

MY Feelings/Rankings from seeing all and reading a lot of posts and understanding of air flow:
1) The AFE is best bang for buck. It also gets its air primarily from the cold air inlet because the filter sits in a box that has openings for external air, not engine bay air.
It has a very straight inlet tube that has a good conical shape for smooth air flow.

2) The AirHammer is a VERY nice looking/made and well performing unit. It has 2 down sides to me. It is not sealed to get outside air AT ALL. I believe it only sucks about 10% fresh air. It is not the best bargin either, no fault here because it is the best built. It takes a loy of space also.
It also has a very straight inlet tube that has a good conical shape for smooth air flow and more than the AFE, however capable air flow of both of these units easily exceeds the required air flow of our cars.
When you punch the throttle you want as much air as is required as cold as can be and don't want it slowed by filter drag or turbulant flow.

I think HP variations here are minor.

Dyno tests of CAI types are kind of mute to an extent. The ones that get the coldest air like the GSM, BWoody or the Fujita need to be dynoed running down the road to see them show true HP increases.

[MattRobertson]

44rwhp? seems a bit much, in this case for me its the whole too good to be true thing. thats a bit of using the simple logic thing, where you said it shouldnt be used. if i remember right

You are correct on the first part, but NOT because of the simple logic thing. I didn't buy 44 rwhp (and lets not forget the best part: 58 rwtq) because it sounded too good to be true (it did). I didn't buy it because, at the time it came out, we had already dyno tested most of the intakes on the market. Enough to be able to see a clear pattern on performance. Not so much on what worked but on what did not at that point. By then we *had* seen gains on intakes but only after multiple other mods were in place, and they were *much* smaller. Plus the things common to the best performing intakes were not in the Fujita. In fact the worst performers shared the characteristics of the Fujita. Since we never tested it we can not say for certain if it would have failed in the same way, but we aren't talking about watch design here. Its a tube with a filter stuck on it.

My point behind the 'general knowledge' comment goes to something we have seen over the years in the LX platform: People (mostly vendors) come in making assumptions based on external experience. They apply that experience -- oftentimes against the advice of folks who have been around for a while -- and fall flat on their face. Then they wonder what went wrong (usually the answer is "HAL"). I saw you making judgments about the opinions you were seeing, imho not realizing those opinions are likely colored by experience over time. Are folks prejudiced here? I think so. Unfairly? There's a whole subforum dedicated to answering that one, and even that is only a fraction of the discussion.

and they hid the dyno sheets?

The last time I was at their site, and this was over a year ago, they had pulled them. But now its back (I just looked). This post in one of those threads discussing that intake sums up things nicely.

And it brings something to mind: You are talking about getting the dyno sheet from the mfr. I'll argue that those are meaningless. Again based on experience gained from the many tests we have run here. I can tell you EXACTLY how to 'cook' a dyno reading; how to skew the results. Its really very easy. You don't even have to be overtly dishonest (fate will do you in just as easily... just look at the Hot Rod tests of the AFE Stage I and see how the baselines are way off... something was wrong with their stock intake). And don't get me started on K&N.

Thats why you have to have independent testing; with known methodology. Keeps everyone honest and the results real. Use only mfr's dynos and you get results like those claimed by Fujita or K&N.

has anyone else here tested em since then? or tested any of the new ones.

There are very few new ones that haven't been tested, and after five separate intake test events I think we have learned all we need to about intakes when dealing with a stock PCM, or even a Superchips tuned PCM. Its summed up very simply: "Big filter good. Little filter bad." And get ambient air to the filter (but thats not the intake design, necessarily).

but new parts on the market doesnt necessarily mean the newer parts arent improved over the older ones.

Sorry but I'm going to have to say "no". Again this is a tube and a filter. We've done big tubes (both diameter and length), little tubes, tubes inside of tubes, steel tubes, plastic tubes, alloy tubes, rubber tubes . And filters...



thats just from my own garage, and they all went onto my own LX. Don't get me started. I have tested I believe 9 separate intakes, and GIFO/MFO has tested those and more. When I get back on the dyno late this month I'll add another to that list.

"dont criticize the cuisine before its served".

See above. We finished off the leftovers a year ago.

but with the new parts havent been tested as the ones tested were a YEAR AGO... things can change. sometimes not. do you have dyno sheets of the ones he asked about in particular?

No and I don't plan on it. What miracle of science can possibly be discovered about a tube and a filter in a year that is different from the other tubes and filters? Remember we have heard claim after claim here and have run test after test.

jetperformance sells programmers but they are called "power programmers". thats what i would call them, thats what the company calls em.

hogwash. jetCHIP.com. I pinged on this because you were using it as a part of your argument that LX owners don't know stuff. Its a meaningless semantic point that even the manufacturer uses themselves. Likewise people saying "CAI" when they should say "short ram" sometimes is meaningless; especially on a platform where a short ram IS a CAI with one tiny mod. Thats an accident of design peculiar to the LX platform.

Finally on that, if you are going to build yourself up, don't do it by being a more precise writer and tearing others down for not meeting your high standards. Go out into the garage and on the road and do something. Then come back and tell us what you learned. That counts for HUGE amounts of credibility and needling over terminology just pisses people off.

do a search and read through some of the posts back through 05 and 06, there have been quite a few posts here stating CAI bring in colder air, and its up under the hood. wheres the logic there? yes people do actually believe that magically running a short ram intake labelled a CAI, brings in cooler air. its also on the chargerforums with a S as well.

Do a search right here on "intake air temp tests". You are making the same general knowledge mistake. This isn't magic. There is a very specific cause and it won't happen bone stock.

its a science thats been tested and prove for years. but yet some still dont get it.

I'm not saying you have to start from scratch, but again we here have seen - time after time - notions that are supposed to be golden go out the window when someone thinks not to trust their preconceptions and actually run a test.


With all of the above said, and setting aside the mechanics of getting ambient air under the hood -- which isn't going to change no matter what -- I think that as smart as we have become up to now on intakes, we are now actually all very dumb. The reason? After three years we finally can tune the cars for reals. Before we have either been tweaking HAL just a tad (Superchips, Jet, Hypertech) or living with stock. With the advent of the Diablo and the others that are nearing release, the playing field has changed utterly. I would love to run another MFO series of tests on intakes again... with a TUNED vehicle that we could retune on the dyno before and after. See what we could genuinely get out of an intake if we could force-feed HAL.

Knowing what the expenses are from our previous efforts, I doubt it will ever happen. But I would really, REALLY like to see what we could do with an array of intakes ... starting all over again.

[Samoan Tsunami]

hogwash. jetCHIP.com. I pinged on this because you were using it as a part of your argument that LX owners don't know stuff. Its a meaningless semantic point that even the manufacturer uses themselves. Likewise people saying "CAI" when they should say "short ram" sometimes is meaningless; especially on a platform where a short ram IS a CAI with one tiny mod. Thats an accident of design peculiar to the LX platform.

Finally on that, if you are going to build yourself up, don't do it by being a more precise writer and tearing others down for not meeting your high standards. Go out into the garage and on the road and do something. Then come back and tell us what you learned. That counts for HUGE amounts of credibility and needling over terminology just pisses people off.

i dont believe i said LX owners dont know stuff, however many are mislead via terminology (i'll touch again on this with the CAI and your intake temp posts). just because the company's web adress is JET CHIP, doesnt mean a thing.

bottom line, they sell a module. thats not tearing anyone down, if one believes they are being "torn down" then at the age most of us are, its time to "man up" just a bit. i dont think anyone should feel dejected, left out, or belittled because of anothers statements online unless they are blatant insults. i come from a few other forums and thats just how things are, brah. trying to adjust to this one....slowly.

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sorry but there is a DISTINCT DIFFFERENCE in design and apperaance between the two. thats a copy and paste DIRECTLY from their site. its not hogwash, its fact. sure they DO play on the fact they use the word "chip" in their website name, but like i said before, a duck is a duck a spade is a spade. instead of being prejudice against something like that, adjust, adapt, or simply learn something new and if its not new to you, ok, no big deal...

My point behind the 'general knowledge' comment goes to something we have seen over the years in the LX platform: People (mostly vendors) come in making assumptions based on external experience. They apply that experience -- oftentimes against the advice of folks who have been around for a while -- and fall flat on their face. Then they wonder what went wrong (usually the answer is "HAL"). I saw you making judgments about the opinions you were seeing, imho not realizing those opinions are likely colored by experience over time. Are folks prejudiced here? I think so. Unfairly? There's a whole subforum dedicated to answering that one, and even that is only a fraction of the discussion.

that paragraph alone sums it up so far. especially the end.

people here do seem to be a bit prejudiced. i've seen more than a few posts about "this or that intake is the best", not all of them have been tried and tested, but no one does any tests. its even more with the v6 crowd, cause so far around here, BUTT DYNOS seem to be the way of life for many and if you speak out against that, then it seems people start pulling the "we've been here longer" rank lines. and thats even when i have posted actual dyno tests from others who have dynoed said part that went against butt dynos...

and to make matters worst of all, mainly for the v6 guys... its the v8 guys giving their views on v8 engines and passing it off as FACT but as advice given to the v6 crowd. example the link you posted to the MFO, the majority of tests are v8 oriented. so far....

Thats why you have to have independent testing; with known methodology. Keeps everyone honest and the results real. Use only mfr's dynos and you get results like those claimed by Fujita or K&N.

I'm all for indy testing. i asked if the two intakes he asked about had been tested, you stated they havent. you also summed up part of the intake tests, as "big filter good, little filter bad". but no testing has been done on any intakes asked about in this post, no one can legitamently say they are good or bad yet if something has been improved or changed. theres a higher chance you may be correct, a large chance at that, but theres also a chance things may shift. my main point in ANY mods. things can change. maybe he adds a larger filter (kinda like the dual intake mod on the red magnum or charger that was recently posted) and gets good gains? maybe a change of filter is all either of these two intakes need. but we cant say yes or no yet, right? thats just going by YOUR method of "test before you tell".

Go out into the garage and on the road and do something. Then come back and tell us what you learned. That counts for HUGE amounts of credibility and needling over terminology just pisses people off.

well i still call things exactly what they are. whether it pisses people off or not. if someone wants to get pissed, then let them stay pissed. i'll respect their right to be pissed. i personally dont expend the energy in my life to be pissed a people through an online forum or in person. at most, flick off the screen, and move on.

as for getting in the garage and doing something, granted its a start, but from reading all the posts people have directed me to, everyone said this would fit DC SPORTS strut brace...it fits..with mods (pics included) thats supposedly the knowledge from people here, as you said that have done things for x amount of years here.... so after all the incorrect info, i simply had to get it done myself and i show. don't worry, i put in work to help others. i dont mind doin it,brah.

thats truly part of the problem with forums. all forums. people say something works, claim so much power or change via butt dynos, then when actual dynos come out showing the shortcomins of said claims, as long as someone feels a change, then "it works". theres even been one person on this forum in particular that wouldnt accept a skidpad test, which is a popular and decently accurate method of testing suspension parts and handling.... be he doesnt care about skidpad testing. i personally do.

With all of the above said, and setting aside the mechanics of getting ambient air under the hood -- which isn't going to change no matter what -- I think that as smart as we have become up to now on intakes, we are now actually all very dumb. The reason? After three years we finally can tune the cars for reals. Before we have either been tweaking HAL just a tad (Superchips, Jet, Hypertech) or living with stock. With the advent of the Diablo and the others that are nearing release, the playing field has changed utterly. I would love to run another MFO series of tests on intakes again... with a TUNED vehicle that we could retune on the dyno before and after. See what we could genuinely get out of an intake if we could force-feed HAL.

Knowing what the expenses are from our previous efforts, I doubt it will ever happen. But I would really, REALLY like to see what we could do with an array of intakes ... starting all over again

damn good idea. and seriously, i cant remember if it was this forum of the v6 forum here, but i'm not rich, but for the sake of legit testing, i'm willing to throw in something for the testing. as long as its fair and non-spun. or test stuff myself. have you looked into dynapacks? not sure if that have that in your area, but it eliminates even more of the variables during dyno runs. they use them in lemans, indy, and JGTC due to the space of all the teams, but are highly accurate and dont take up much space at all. only certain shops have em.

and i just read your intake temp posts. thats basically what i have done myself, and been saying for the past 7-10 years. CAI with the term COLD air, is misleading. its a marketing gimmick. you said it best on the round 1 post, "ambient air". the only real way you will take in cold air is strapping a fridge to the filter, driving in a cold climate, or cryo style intakes, which work, but doesnt decrease it much. more effective on boost and nitrous setups.

be back in a bit, uso has gotta eat.

[MattRobertson]

i come from a few other forums and thats just how things are, brah. trying to adjust to this one....slowly.

Well, good luck with that. I still say the whole chip/module schtick is an utter waste of keyboarding but they're your fingers.

you also summed up part of the intake tests, as "big filter good, little filter bad". but no testing has been done on any intakes asked about in this post, no one can legitamently say they are good or bad yet if something has been improved or changed. theres a higher chance you may be correct, a large chance at that, but theres also a chance things may shift.

Again, we aren't talking about watchmaking or brain surgery. How many different ways can you stick a filter onto a tube? After being a part of testing so many intakes, covering literally hundreds of dyno pulls, I can say with not-100% certainty that 'big filter good, small filter bad' is a mighty safe bet. Do I need to blow yet another day on the dyno to go from 99% to 100%? You can guess my answer :-). Do something over and over enough and at a certain point you learn things.

maybe he adds a larger filter

Well then its a different intake isn't it. ;-) Big Filter Good.

(kinda like the dual intake mod on the red magnum or charger that was recently posted) and gets good gains?

Two filters = Big Filter Good (but it hasn't been dyno'd yet. That happens tomorrow).

maybe a change of filter is all either of these two intakes need.

Well then that tells people to buy one that you don't need to buy two filters for. They're out there. If all you want is a tube, you can buy that really cheap. Same goes for elbows. Search for Frankentake in the Knowledge Base and follow the links to the parts joints that are there.

[Leadfootluke]

What are we arguing? An intake with 2-4 bends in it that sucks "cold" air is much better than an intake that has 1 curve in it that sucks air from the engine bay?

Its obvious to the less naive crowd that can use the search which is proven better, what you think is better is completely different.

NetNathan hit the nail on the head. PROVEN intakes include the AFE, and Airhammer. 2 different composites, and looks. The hammer has an AFE filter even, its just made bigger, and at a high quality, for more costs (even though the mild steel are comparable?).

I dont mean to sound like a bias-hole and say ones better, but claims on websites are bunk until you see the real thing and can prove it.

For your RT robstorredr/t, an Airhammer or AFE will the best bang for your buck.

[MattRobertson]

I could pick pretty much any intake I want on my new motor and I picked an AirHammer.

I didn't mean to give the impression that it or the AFE were in the tube-stuck-on-filter class.

[Leadfootluke]

lol, I was aiming that post directly at Somoan Tsunami. I know where you stand Matt, you have seen the intake face off and stuff. The best proof you can get, on site, non-bias testing. Was just trying to figure out where this thread was going.

[Samoan Tsunami]

I dont mean to sound like a bias-hole and say ones better, but claims on websites are bunk until you see the real thing and can prove it.

The best proof you can get, on site, non-bias testing

granted i get what matt was saying, all i am asking really is there any tests done with the two intakes asked for. before they are counted out... so far none are done according to matt. i know they are similar design locations, but pipe size could have changed, filters...

Its obvious to the less naive crowd that can use the search which is proven better, what you think is better is completely different.

careful on the assumptions about being "naive". i used the search, read through the MFO AND found that neither the Fugita and Bwoody showed no tests. mattrobertson, verified that for me in this post. you stated yourself the best proof you can get is non-bias testing. would be kinda biased to say just because the intakes you tested didnt gain as much as the hammer, that new ones that have NOT BEEN TESTED suck as well....

overall, i found someone to have a discussion with. it wasnt arguing. no one was calling anyone names or implying anything. just a simple discussion, brah.

[Samoan Tsunami]

Again, we aren't talking about watchmaking or brain surgery. How many different ways can you stick a filter onto a tube?

one or two. obviously theres the basic just on the end of the tube. theres also a use of a velocity stack. dont know if anyone here has heard of adding those before the filter, most times effective. they can also be added right before the TB in addition to the end of the tube where the filter attaches. just throwing out ideas that i have experience with. not trying to prove you wrong.

Well then its a different intake isn't it. ;-) Big Filter Good.

from a filter change? depends on who you ask, seriously. most i know will say its the same intake with a different filter. i mean i as well as you have a closet full of intake pipes and filters from my last autoX car. instead of having to clean the filter before the work week, i just had an abundance of styles/shapes i tested and i just switched them as needed. same intake pipe, which is what most people said "intake" just a different filter. some flowed less some, more...

Two filters = Big Filter Good (but it hasn't been dyno'd yet. That happens tomorrow).

This could be the makings of something special yes....definately waiting on that.

also since on the discussion of that, have you read the 6.1 guy whos using two TB one in the rear? your view?

Well then that tells people to buy one that you don't need to buy two filters for. They're out there. If all you want is a tube, you can buy that really cheap. Same goes for elbows. Search for Frankentake in the Knowledge Base and follow the links to the parts joints that are there.

nah i'm cool on that. i still have intake pipes of all sizes and shapes and filters from the last 7 years. for the greater part of my last decade, i went through 9 intakes and 11 different exhausts. granted i moved the spare down to DC, i still have pretty much a majority of all the spare parts here in the house