computer control

[davidadavila]

I was wondering if anybody new if HP tuners finally uncapped the ecm on these cars, they have stuff for ls engines and the stuff is pure magic, im looking to buy something that would let me tune the car when i do upgrades for boltons, maybe cam and heads later, etc.....Im looking for something that is more powerful than a handheld. so i can just take to the dyno and not have to pay for a tuner everytime i upgrade my car...

thanks in advance

[aliveguy5]

Not yet... Hopefully soon though. the Diablo sport predator is the only thing that allows tuning right now however you still have to have a tuner fine tune it.

[Ron380]

DiabloSport Predator!! Does everything you need an datalogs, too!

[aliveguy5]

DiabloSport Predator!! Does everything you need an datalogs, too!

If you read the full post he's looking for more than just what the hand held can deliver. He would have to buy the full cmr program with it too. Then he would get everything he's looking for.

[street hooligan]

cmr SW controls all that HP does in a nutshell, just cost 3k for it i think. hp tuners is cheaper yes but not for the average guy to play with on a dyno, i was on hps website just a few min ago, the owner said hes not gonna even say a release date anymore as he has no clue when it will be 100 percent ready. i personally wil not make the switch, after talking to several tuners who have worked with cmr and hp, they all said the same basicly, they all control and rework the same sectors, just a good idea to go with the best tuner thats local to you and see what they l;ike to work with on that particular car/setup.

[diablotoona]

Tuning software for vehicles is merely a tool, its like comparing a Snap-On wrench to a Mac wrench, it is only as good as the hands that control it.

[stevesrt8]

Tuning software for vehicles is merely a tool, its like comparing a Snap-On wrench to a Mac wrench, it is only as good as the hands that control it.

Wow. That's worth repeating. With all the special quirks of the LX platform the expertise of the Tuner will really be important.

[davidadavila]

3000 wow, dude thats insane. cudos to predator for atleast having something available, man i got on hp tuners for the first time and i was reading what posted before, and its understandable the time that they are taking...but I think worth the money even if it cost 1000.00when it comes out it will still be great.. worth the wait for people that dont have deep pockets for other options. with ls1 based cars their is people on the site sharing tunes..people changing boosted cars to E85..its crazy all that can be done..im no expert in hp but most of the stuff is pretty easy . my friend has has it i paid 100 bucks so he can add a license for me, my car tuned with wideband and everything... for the cost of a few beers..i think the secret is small increments on everything to find the best thing, im holding off on buying it until they come up with the hemi stuff or untill after i have my 69c10 ls5.3 project started

I see some of the vendors here have sexy ass stroker 392 kits avilable i wonder how those are tuned with diablo?

[street hooligan]

i think you mis understood what i said, its gonna be the same cost basicly for hp tuners or diablo, the pred itself is only 375, and the cmr tune, well that has to be worked out with the tuner, my tuner only charged me a few hundred, so basicly i got a hand held tuner than has the abaiility to adjust parameters and a custom tune for about 575. the tuner himself has to buy the cmr software for the pred thats about 3k i think, the end user doesnt have to buy that. when you buy HP tuners, you still buy the software and still gotta pay a tuner to custom tune the application, that can be the same or exceed the cost of a pred and cmr tune.

as i said before, hp tuners will just be another tuner on the market, only diff is that you can tune yourself (most people cant or shouldnt even try to) but HP and DIABLO will still control the same parameters of the PCM, the only things that yet to be said about HP is that if there tcm programing will be done for our cars. i can tell you diablo said they were working on it, dunno about hp though.

as the tuner of my car said the cmr stuff is actually great SW and controls alot, and this coming from someone whos a great well known tuner for all makes and models and swears by standalone systems.

Diablo has quite a few 700-1000WHP cars out there running around, the tuning is deff there, and the support from diablo is freaking amazing!!!!! i would never make the switch

[srt-hardware]

I want the ability to blow up my own car for less than $3K.

HP lets you do 4 cars for the original $700 price so it is half of the price of buying the predator and you have full control. More cars can be tuned for a hundo more.

I agree that the software will control the same parameters but the software will have different tools to help tuning.

HP tuners and their users seem to be an open community willing to help each other, where as the predator communiny seems more on the guarded side. Maybe because the costs are so high you need to recoup, whereas the HP cost is more like a gas fillup so no reason to fight each other over profits.

Predator gets the job done. Their people are very helpful and they have been a savior on this forum but as long as they are the only programmer they dictate rather than us.

[street hooligan]

yea i guess, but if you blow up a NA car on a dyno, you should not be tuning i consider these cars a little overmanaged and kinda hard to blow up while tuning if you know what your doin

[Mike@Diablosport]

I see some of the vendors here have sexy ass stroker 392 kits avilable i wonder how those are tuned with diablo?

Pretty much every HEMI powered vehicle on the planet with very few exceptions is currently tuned with CMR and flashed with a Predator or Trinity.

From cam only set ups to full bolt-ons, heads and cam swaps, strokers, or 426's with 18 pounds of boost, or 8 liter whipples, it is tuned using our software.

Thus far, we have found no limitations inthe stock PCM that will keep you from tuning any combo of parts you can dream up.

[Heavy H.P.]

i think you mis understood what i said, its gonna be the same cost basicly for hp tuners or diablo, the pred itself is only 375, and the cmr tune, well that has to be worked out with the tuner, my tuner only charged me a few hundred, so basicly i got a hand held tuner than has the abaiility to adjust parameters and a custom tune for about 575. the tuner himself has to buy the cmr software for the pred thats about 3k i think, the end user doesnt have to buy that. when you buy HP tuners, you still buy the software and still gotta pay a tuner to custom tune the application, that can be the same or exceed the cost of a pred and cmr tune.

as i said before, hp tuners will just be another tuner on the market, only diff is that you can tune yourself (most people cant or shouldnt even try to) but HP and DIABLO will still control the same parameters of the PCM, the only things that yet to be said about HP is that if there tcm programing will be done for our cars. i can tell you diablo said they were working on it, dunno about hp though.

as the tuner of my car said the cmr stuff is actually great SW and controls alot, and this coming from someone whos a great well known tuner for all makes and models and swears by standalone systems.

Diablo has quite a few 700-1000WHP cars out there running around, the tuning is deff there, and the support from diablo is freaking amazing!!!!! i would never make the switch

There is a shop here that just bought CMR software here for our cars. The price for that software doesnt even compare to if you bought HP tunners and paid someone else to tune it. There rates are even higher to compensate for the amount of cash they had to fork out for the CMR software. Is the CMR software getting the job done? Yes, but but i think things would be alittle nicer if that shop didnt have to charge so much a freakin hour because the software cost so damn much. I can take my brothers Camaro up there to get tunned with H.P. Tunners or LS1 edit and get chargerd $300 flat rate no matter how long it takes. Its not like that for CMR cars.
They looked into getting the HP Tunners for our cars instead of CMR software and talked to one of the big guys on the phone to atleast see about a beta. They were told that they arent going to release anything untill they have TCM support too. So TCM support is one of the hold ups.
Why release the software witout tcm support and be just like the CMR software. If they wait and get it right they will have something Diablo doesnt, TCM support.
Makes sense to me if I were in that line of work.

[diablotoona]

There is a shop here that just bought CMR software here for our cars. The price for that software doesnt even compare to if you bought HP tunners and paid someone else to tune it. There rates are even higher to compensate for the amount of cash they had to fork out for the CMR software. Is the CMR software getting the job done? Yes, but but i think things would be alittle nicer if that shop didnt have to charge so much a freakin hour because the software cost so damn much. I can take my brothers Camaro up there to get tunned with H.P. Tunners or LS1 edit and get chargerd $300 flat rate no matter how long it takes. Its not like that for CMR cars.
They looked into getting the HP Tunners for our cars instead of CMR software and talked to one of the big guys on the phone to atleast see about a beta. They were told that they arent going to release anything untill they have TCM support too. So TCM support is one of the hold ups.
Why release the software witout tcm support and be just like the CMR software. If they wait and get it right they will have something Diablo doesnt, TCM support.
Makes sense to me if I were in that line of work.

I dont think you have all the information straight here.
HP tuners and EFI live will charge you $600 and $800 for their end-user tuning suite, comes with a license for 2 vehicles, after that you have to pay $100 per additional vehilce.
If you want the shop versions of either software with unlimited licenses the cost will surpass our CMR software by quite a bit.
CMR is unlimited from the get go.
Why the shop is charging more for DCX tuning than GM tuning is their choice, over time the software would of paid for itself anyway, no need to stiff the customers with higher prices.
No-one has TCM support right now, yes i know there are some people out there that can get it done for major coin but there still isnt anything mainstream out there for it and i doubt there will be anytime soon.
Would you rather we have waited until we had tcm support for the DCX platform? I think not.

[srt007]

i would love to have an aem ems option for our rides.ive had it on my supra for about 5 years now and i love it, i also have alot of friends running them on a **** load of different rides and they love it.
i have the predator on my lx and johan (diablotoona) at diablo tuned it and she ran great no complaints at all he fixed all the bugs and kinks in my ride and made her run hard,as it was stated before you can have whatever tunning tool but if dont got a good tuner to go with it your not gonna go far with it.