Another track time.

[PPP-Tech]

12.33@114.98mph

DA was 3379ft.

Corrected time was

11.825@119.971

60 ft time was a 1.9 still .2 slower than our best 60ft time, yet we beat our best time by a wide margin with the new heads and cam. We were able to make 9 runs in 1.5 hours, so the car wasnt cooled down at all.

[mikespy]

Cool run bro!! Getting better and better!! Hey and for future ref. do you think you guys could post the vehicle with it's mods in the post for reference. Just for those who have no idea what or which vehicle you guys are running??

[HEMI~C~]

Nice but.... what he said.

[PPP-Tech]

426 shortblock
Stage 2 Heads
PPP 426 Race Warrior cam
INDY ported intake
stock converter
Dynatech headers
Corsa Exhaust

[mikespy]

426 shortblock
Stage 2 Heads
PPP 426 Race Warrior cam
INDY ported intake
stock converter
Dynatech headers
Corsa Exhaust

Sweet No Cai...Drag radials... or any type of computer controlling like a Smt or PSC or B&G???

Good number fo sho!!

[PPP-Tech]

sorry, cai, bg 426 flash and stock tires. No drag radials.

[FTI-EDC]

Somebody needs some M/T Drag Radials and a torque converter!

[heldebrant]

Please don't take what I'm about to say personally and I'm not trying to dig on anyone but I just don't see the value with doing something like this yet. Maybe I'm a retard but I just don't see the payoff on investment here. What's a guy off the street going to pay for a conversion for something like this, ~$15k probably more? I realize the tuning for these things just sucks wind....is that the only limiting factor here or are the half shafts holding a significant amount of performance back. I see guys with the B&G and half shafts getting into the low 11's on spray and I'm figuring in my pea brain that it probably didn't cost them as much as a guy who wanted to do a stroker and the rest of the go-fast goodies. In all honesty...what's limiting the performance of a set-up like this? Like I said, maybe I'm clueless but from what I've been reading it just doesn't compute for the $$$ invested.

I've got enough expendable $$$ that I can go buy another SRT saved up for mods and I've been holding off for a stroker set-up but the results I have been reading for the last few months just doesn't give me wood. On top of that, I really don't want to have to get a flash for tuning performance....that' s not user friendly to me and true tunability.

Like I said, I'm not trying to rain on anyones perade..matter of fact...mucho kudos to you guys for doing what you have done so far. I'm just trying to understand why these cars aren't flying down the track setting your eyebrows on fire.

[HEMIDON]

Contrary to the last post, I appreciate the work PPP is doing. PPP has the ability and $$ to test this stuff and pay the big bucks. After they are done with the prototype testing we all can benefit from their expensive testing. Once there are a few combinations out there we (the consumer) have the luxury to to put together a package that has been proven by someone else.

There are lots of vendors out there competing to build the most power. We have to support the people that are going out on the limb to bring the best stuff to the consumer.

[FTI-EDC]

Some people don't like fake horsepower. (power-adders)



There's a lot of Ford and LSX guys that spend the 10-15K on big inch naturally aspirated engines so why not the late model HEMI guys?

[hemidup]

Contrary to the last post, I appreciate the work PPP is doing. PPP has the ability and $$ to test this stuff and pay the big bucks. After they are done with the prototype testing we all can benefit from their expensive testing. Once there are a few combinations out there we (the consumer) have the luxury to to put together a package that has been proven by someone else.

There are lots of vendors out there competing to build the most power. We have to support the people that are going out on the limb to bring the best stuff to the consumer.

Prototype R&D testing is expensive. Trust me....I paid for them. The very first ATI damper ever produced is on my engine. $650. The very first set of Ferrea valves for the GenIII Hemi heads are in my engine. $1200. The very first set of ARP main and head stud's are in my engine. Was quoted $660, but they cut us a 1/2 price deal since Denny gave them all the spec's for the stud's. And the list goes on.....As time goes by, prices will drop to hopefully to what we can buy Ford or Chevy performance part's for.

[Hemi31]

Prototype R&D testing is expensive. Trust me....I paid for them. The very first ATI damper ever produced is on my engine. $650. The very first set of Ferrea valves for the GenIII Hemi heads are in my engine. $1200. The very first set of ARP main and head stud's are in my engine. Was quoted $660, but they cut us a 1/2 price deal since Denny gave them all the spec's for the stud's. And the list goes on.....As time goes by, prices will drop to hopefully to what we can buy Ford or Chevy performance part's for.

Judging by the history of Hemi prices I doubt that they will come down that much.

[PPP-Tech]

Please don't take what I'm about to say personally and I'm not trying to dig on anyone but I just don't see the value with doing something like this yet. Maybe I'm a retard but I just don't see the payoff on investment here. What's a guy off the street going to pay for a conversion for something like this, ~$15k probably more? I realize the tuning for these things just sucks wind....is that the only limiting factor here or are the half shafts holding a significant amount of performance back. I see guys with the B&G and half shafts getting into the low 11's on spray and I'm figuring in my pea brain that it probably didn't cost them as much as a guy who wanted to do a stroker and the rest of the go-fast goodies. In all honesty...what's limiting the performance of a set-up like this? Like I said, maybe I'm clueless but from what I've been reading it just doesn't compute for the $$$ invested.

I've got enough expendable $$$ that I can go buy another SRT saved up for mods and I've been holding off for a stroker set-up but the results I have been reading for the last few months just doesn't give me wood. On top of that, I really don't want to have to get a flash for tuning performance....that' s not user friendly to me and true tunability.

Like I said, I'm not trying to rain on anyones perade..matter of fact...mucho kudos to you guys for doing what you have done so far. I'm just trying to understand why these cars aren't flying down the track setting your eyebrows on fire.

The cost for a 426 is $5400, heads are $2000, and a cam is $400. Your looking at no more than $9000 for a 426 longblock. You can spend that much on a supercharger and still not have a forged bottom end. You answered your own question about tuning, if you do not want a flash from BG, you definitely dont need to get a poweradder as they require more tuning than a NA motor. The limiting factor holding us back is the half-shafts. We have stronger half-shafts going on next week along with drag radials. If we put a tq converter in at the same time, we will be in the 11.7 range. There is lots of room for improvement considering how much we have to pedal with street tires on. I do not know of anyone in the low 11's that you speak of. I am not saying they dont exist, but I am not aware of them. The fastest time to date that I know of is an 11.5. You cant compare n2o to other power options. n2o will always be alot cheaper than anything else. What you have to look at, is that you are paying for a fully forged motor that can take all kinds of abuse. I understand your reservations, but if you think 11.7's NA isnt impressive in a 4 door family car, Im not sure you will ever be impressed. I hope I am not coming across rude, I am only trying to answer your questions as direct as possible.

[PPP-Tech]

Also, how to you judge the cost of n2o. Looking at $1000 for a nice setup, and a $40 a bottle to fill up. If you go every weekend, your looking at another $2000 in refills not to mention the stress you are putting on stock internals. n2o is definitely a great cost effective mod, but it isnt as cheap as it might seem.

[MomsR/T]

The cost for a 426 is $5400, heads are $2000, and a cam is $400. Your looking at no more than $9000 for a 426 longblock.

Does this include core charge?

What if I wanted to buy just a plain jane 6.1 short block?