Valve Body VS Noids

**1362#Sublime** · 04-23-2009, 01:57 PM

This seems to bee the long and out standing debate, Which is the better option?

Well you can get the Noids for around $375 or a Builder Bill set up for $400, or the Street Killer Builder Bill Valve Body for $600.

Well I have to say I have been doing a lot or reading and the Noids sound like the quick and dirty, but I have also read and talked some educated people that tell me the the noids also increase line pressure to the Torqconvert and thus lower you stall. This is a no go in my book, I did not pay XXX for a Sweet ProTorq to have my stall lower down.

So I bit the built and got the Builder Bill Street Killer Stage 2 valve Body.

First off, my 392 FRI Stroker makes tons of tq down low, but has had shifting issues for some time now. At the track, even running in the mid 11's in auto stick you could not feel the car shift gears, you could only see the numbers change on the dash. Then add into the fact I have 480is TQ at 3k rpm and my car would only every once and a blue moon would brake the tires lose with the 1-2 shift. You could power into the gear, and brake them lose, but during the shifts it never lose traction.

Tires are 295/45/18 555 Extremes.

1. Bill is a kill Guy, I don't like to buy many products form others vendors unless I feel like they are going to stand behind there products, and even have some true understand what they are selling.

2. It only took 40min to do the swap on a lift, with a whole lot of distractions,

Very easy, I just did a search on the forums and got some directions, "May be Bill will include directions with pics soon" Just don't over troq the little bolts that hold the valve body.

3. First Impressions. WOW just sitting in the parking lot going throw the gears making sure my fluid level was good, you could feel the car hit from N to D to P. It was great, just like my old 68 charger when it had a 727! It let you know you where in gear and about to have some fun.

4. The shifts ha the important shifts, this thing rocks! At WOT it doesn't just brake the car lose it has thrown me almost side ways a few times,

Not an thing to be scared of, but what you would expect a Killer Hemi Charger to shift like!! And the 2-3 shift are nice and hard, and I can even get a little chirp.

5. What as impressed me more is how it woke up the overall ride. I would not be make a post about a product unless I really felt it was worth the money!!!! And trust me, I did pay the full price.

Before in first it felt sloppy, not the shift so much but the Pull. Now my car pulls harder in all the gears, I know a Valve body dose not make HP but if feels like a good 40hp gain. I think what is going on, is the trans is so much more tight that the car is moving not slipping.

In at 70mph I have a lot of Corvettes that like to play, Before I would never get a really good take off at 70, the car would ether downshift rev up then scoot, or just rev up and take a few seconds to get pulling in 4Th. Now it just moves!!! I know in 4Th gear there is alto more stress on the clutches to get our cars moving due to lack of gear advantage 1:1. Just like before, by having the clutches tight the car can use that power you have and get you moving faster!

So for all of you that are on the fiancee about Valve Body Vs Nods, I would have to say the Valve Body for sure!! Even the Stage 2 passed the Soon to be Wife Test.

IF you live in Houston, I will give you a ride if you want to see for your self.

So Bill Thanks and your a Rock Star in my Book.

PS Sorry about spelling.

**1362#Sublime** · 04-23-2009, 02:01 PM

If anyone wants to put to test which is better give me a PM. IF I can find another charger that want the Nods local to me in Houston and you have a Dash Hawk, I will do a excel test with my Biller Bill Street Killer VB to get an number, pull your Valve Body install the Blue Top Noids and put your whole VB body in my car, DO a test get the numbers. Once done install your body with the Noids for Free, and if you get a trans pan from Bill I will install your Valve Body if WE determine This is indead best way to go, Wich I think it is. LOL

**Adanac Charger** · 04-23-2009, 02:13 PM

I have a simple 5.7 with sub-390 lb/ft, but I still want proper shifts. The Mopar TCM is an improvement but not where I would like it to be. I prefer shifts that make me wonder if something is going to break... but nothing actually breaks.

I think it's a valve body that will get me the shifts that I am looking for.

**Hemi31** · 04-23-2009, 02:18 PM

I hate to break the news to you but the noids and the valve body are one in the same.You just have to do the extra work to install the noids.

**1362#Sublime** · 04-23-2009, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Hemi31

I hate to break the news to you but the noids and the valve body are one in the same.You just have to do the extra work to install the noids.

I was thinking the same thing, Im not just a jo blow here, TRUST ME I check and the part numbers where the same on my stock valve body and the Billder BIll Body, Un less he takes the ouside case and recovers the blue Noids with the same houseing numbers as the stockers. I don't see how.

PS Im not saying Im perfict, but if you know something the rest of us don't PLEASE use the Forums for what it was made for, to educate all. No one wants to be scamed, so Please DO tell.

**GasGunR** · 04-23-2009, 02:32 PM

I have a VB with the stock noids. So far I like it very much

**BuilderBill** · 04-23-2009, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hemi31

I hate to break the news to you but the noids and the valve body are one in the same.You just have to do the extra work to install the noids.

Sorry Eric ol' Buddy.....wrong-o.

The whole reason for the "Octotranny" (my test tranny with all the lines and gauges) was to see if I could build a valve body that would be light years ahead of "Blue Solenoids".

My Stage II valve body increases the momentary shift pressure for immediate clutch engagement as well as increases the holding pressures needed at WOT.

It also increases the torque converter lock up lockup pressures which is ULTRA important.

One of the main drawbacks to the "blue solenoids" is that along with a downshift that will launch you through the windshield, it raises the converter line pressure. Not too good when you are at the line brake stalling. The amount of line pressure going into the converter with the "blue solenoids" is outrageous and WILL lower your stall speed. Not many guys are looking to lower their stall speed.

My Stage II valve body is sent out compete, ready to install.
The customer then sends his core back in the same packaging....simple.

It really does bring these cars alive.
NAG1: Complete
Valve Body: Complete
TCMs: 60% complete
Torque converter: 10% complete
New design driveshaft: 40% complete
Flex plate, light weight, SFI certified: Complete and in manufacturing.
New 10 second axles:Will be tested this weekend

I've been a bit busy and loving it!
Bill

Bill

**stevesrt8** · 04-23-2009, 02:48 PM

WTG BILL!

Damn, that's an impressive list.

Hats off to the pioneers.

**ujokin2** · 04-23-2009, 02:51 PM

BuilderBill says I tend to stir the pot

The BB valvebody works wonders I do attest to that. The THING to DO now is get a TCM TO MATCH UP with it. (Modified TCM + Modified Transmission or Modified Valvbody).

I have been testing a modifed TCM from BB which BLOWS away any thing I had with the B&G TCM.

1. THIS TCM match to the modified VB is not for the faint of heart or one to have your girlfriend\wife\significant other riding with you. With this TCM and Modified VB together even in D the downshifts are PRONOUNCED. ( did not happen with B&G TCM and modified VB)

2. So far while testing this TCM in the last 2 weeks the ET mph has risen 1 mph overall consistantly. Last week I ran the fastest mph ever of 122.85 with a 1.72 60 ft. (So it cannot be attributed entirely to spinning off the line)

I will let BB chime in on what TCM I am testing.... but together with the Modified VB... it becomes a wow !

PS. I almost threw it out when I first put it in.... I had to reset TCM adaptives and raise my shift points through the Diablo quick adjust before I felt anything out of it.

**BuilderBill** · 04-23-2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by ujokin2

BuilderBill says I tend to stir the pot

The BB valvebody works wonders I do attest to that. The THING to DO now is get a TCM TO MATCH UP with it. (Modified TCM + Modified Transmission or Modified Valvbody).

I have been testing a modifed TCM from BB which BLOWS away any thing I had with the B&G TCM.

1. THIS TCM match to the modified VB is not for the faint of heart or one to have your girlfriend\wife\significant other riding with you. With this TCM and Modified VB together even in D the downshifts are PRONOUNCED. ( did not happen with B&G TCM and modified VB)

2. So far while testing this TCM in the last 2 weeks the ET mph has risen 1 mph overall consistantly. Last week I ran the fastest mph ever of 122.85 with a 1.72 60 ft. (So it cannot be attributed entirely to spinning off the line)

I will let BB chime in on what TCM I am testing.... but together with the Modified VB... it becomes a wow !

PS. I almost threw it out when I first put it in.... I had to reset TCM adaptives and raise my shift points through the Diablo quick adjust before I felt anything out of it.

Thanks to your testing James, I am getting closer to matching the TCM to the valve bodies.
Glad you did a quick adjust with the Diablo.

Bad news is that USCG Charger wants a valve body so that he can compete with you on equal terms.
Now that will be a day long grudge race at zmax: You / Jason / Big Al....fun!

Oh, you have the "race version" TCM currently installed.

I have milder version that I am testing also.
Bill

**TTMR** · 04-23-2009, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by BuilderBill

Now that will be a day long grudge race at zmax: You / Jason / Big Al....fun!

Assuming Jason can make more than one run!

Yeah, that's right I said it!

**USCG Charger** · 04-23-2009, 04:06 PM

I want the race version of the VB so I can smack JAmes all day long!... WEll at least once! lol As far as the TCM I will wait my turn.. I guess! lol

Bill keep em coming buddy.. ur killing the competition!

**BuilderBill** · 04-23-2009, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by USCG Charger

I want the race version of the VB so I can smack JAmes all day long!... WEll at least once! lol As far as the TCM I will wait my turn.. I guess! lol

Bill keep em coming buddy.. ur killing the competition!

I'll get a Stage II modified valve body for you before zMAX.
Bill

**BuilderBill** · 04-23-2009, 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by ujokin2

BuilderBill says I tend to stir the pot

The BB valvebody works wonders I do attest to that. The THING to DO now is get a TCM TO MATCH UP with it. (Modified TCM + Modified Transmission or Modified Valvbody).

I have been testing a modifed TCM from BB which BLOWS away any thing I had with the B&G TCM.

1. THIS TCM match to the modified VB is not for the faint of heart or one to have your girlfriend\wife\significant other riding with you. With this TCM and Modified VB together even in D the downshifts are PRONOUNCED. ( did not happen with B&G TCM and modified VB)

2. So far while testing this TCM in the last 2 weeks the ET mph has risen 1 mph overall consistantly. Last week I ran the fastest mph ever of 122.85 with a 1.72 60 ft. (So it cannot be attributed entirely to spinning off the line)

I will let BB chime in on what TCM I am testing.... but together with the Modified VB... it becomes a wow !

PS. I almost threw it out when I first put it in.... I had to reset TCM adaptives and raise my shift points through the Diablo quick adjust before I felt anything out of it.

BTW.....take the B&G OUT of your sig....LOL
Bill