sts vs hellion

**oldnfast1** · 06-15-2011, 08:19 PM

I have a STS Twin Turbo on my srt8, and I love it. It's my dd with 600whp,685wtq.
It sounds like no other.

**BB2010SRT8** · 06-15-2011, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by junior666

Another teaser.

Looks like a nice build underway!

**wha-gone** · 06-16-2011, 01:16 PM

OP - Some pro's about the STS system would be the fact that the turbos sit higher (better for those winter roads). You can keep your catalytic converters on the car. You get a full custom tune from Rick Squires (owner of STS). On the twin setup, the charge pipes act as a sub-frame connector (stiffens the car up). I believe the price is better. You keep all that heat from the turbos away from your tranny. The sound is amazing because the turbos are right there at the tail pipes. Last but not least, STS's customer service is phenomenal.

**bklynmag** · 06-16-2011, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by oldnfast1

I have a STS Twin Turbo on my srt8, and I love it. It's my dd with 600whp,685wtq.
It sounds like no other.

Originally Posted by wha-gone

Depends on what you are looking for and what kind of coin you are looking to spend. I am running the STS single turbo kit on my 5.7 with their upgraded turbo and I love it! I'm only running it at 5 psi as this is my daily driver and my Wife and Kids are often in the car. The turbo is good up to 750 hp (crank) so I do have room to play if and when I decide to upgrade my internals. I have almost 10K miles on my turbo kit and have not had a single issue with it. I don't have any experience with the other companies but I can tell you that STS has the BEST (hands down) customer service that I have ever seen from an automotive performance company in my 18 years of building cars.

Any timeslips/times from the track with the system? I'm honestly curious as I never hear anything about how they actually run.

**wha-gone** · 06-16-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by bklynmag

Any timeslips/times from the track with the system? I'm honestly curious as I never hear anything about how they actually run.

My car has no track time. This is my family car. My tune is pretty mild and I'm only running it at 5psi. She'll spin my stock wheels in second gear under boost (not my big heavy 285/22's though). The car runs strong and hard every time I let it spool up and yet it is very drivable around town and easy to stay out of boost (if I want). I have a buddy with a 2010 Camaro SS with some bolt-ons and a good tune. We did a side by side standing mile, he had me for about 200 yards or so, but at the mile marker I had him by about 4 car lengths at 158 mph (speedo was still climbing). Not bad for a 4,500 pound family station wagon.
One of the best parts about putting this turbo kit on is the fact that I get 32mpg on the highway and 20mpg around town. That of course is when I keep my foot out of it. before the turbo I was only getting like 16/26.
So much of the way a turbo car runs is how it was installed and tuned. I don't care what brand or whose kit it is, if it's installed like crap and/or tuned like crap, it will run like crap.

**Alterocks** · 06-16-2011, 06:26 PM

I would like to go turbo but it doesnt seem as easy as my honda and mustang friends. seems thats the price of being different.

**JCC300C** · 06-17-2011, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by junior666

Another teaser.

I can not stop thinking about this picture. Going to spend entire paycheck on scratch tickets. Wish me luck.

**Rottyfan** · 06-30-2011, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by oldnfast1

I have a STS Twin Turbo on my srt8, and I love it. It's my dd with 600whp,685wtq.
It sounds like no other.

Originally Posted by wha-gone

My car has no track time. This is my family car. My tune is pretty mild and I'm only running it at 5psi. She'll spin my stock wheels in second gear under boost (not my big heavy 285/22's though). The car runs strong and hard every time I let it spool up and yet it is very drivable around town and easy to stay out of boost (if I want). I have a buddy with a 2010 Camaro SS with some bolt-ons and a good tune. We did a side by side standing mile, he had me for about 200 yards or so, but at the mile marker I had him by about 4 car lengths at 158 mph (speedo was still climbing). Not bad for a 4,500 pound family station wagon.
One of the best parts about putting this turbo kit on is the fact that I get 32mpg on the highway and 20mpg around town. That of course is when I keep my foot out of it. before the turbo I was only getting like 16/26.
So much of the way a turbo car runs is how it was installed and tuned. I don't care what brand or whose kit it is, if it's installed like crap and/or tuned like crap, it will run like crap.

Thanks for posting your actual experience with the STS system. I was leaning heavily towards a cam upgrade, but the STS is just too tempting because it looks like the easiest FI kit to install. Did you guys install it yourself and is the claim of 4-6 hours for install accurate?

wha-gone, like yourself, my car is a daily driver and its primary purpose is to transport my two kids. I'm not looking for the most HP or quickest times -- I've never been to the track and if I do, it would be once a year. I like the idea of a decent bump in HP on 5psi and an increase in gas mileage. The gas mileage part seems to have sold the idea to my wife

I plan to go with the single turbo kit since I don't plan to upgrade the stock internals.

**wha-gone** · 06-30-2011, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Rottyfan

Thanks for posting your actual experience with the STS system. I was leaning heavily towards a cam upgrade, but the STS is just too tempting because it looks like the easiest FI kit to install. Did you guys install it yourself and is the claim of 4-6 hours for install accurate?

wha-gone, like yourself, my car is a daily driver and its primary purpose is to transport my two kids. I'm not looking for the most HP or quickest times -- I've never been to the track and if I do, it would be once a year. I like the idea of a decent bump in HP on 5psi and an increase in gas mileage. The gas mileage part seems to have sold the idea to my wife

I plan to go with the single turbo kit since I don't plan to upgrade the stock internals.

That's how I was able to sell my Wife on the whole turbo thing too ("we'll save a lot in gas, sweet heart")

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I did the install on my car. I think the install time depends on your mechanical capabilities. My install took about 8 hours on jack stands in my garage. This of course is not counting all the data logging and tuning time. The one thing I can't stress enough is the fact that you do want to take your time and do it right. My STS kit did bolt right up with no fitment issues. I'm not sure if there would be any weird fitment issues with your car being AWD though. You should contact Rick at STS and find out from him. STS is also on facebook. You can post on the STS wall, they are very good about responding to questions.

Good luck!

Justin

**Rottyfan** · 06-30-2011, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by wha-gone

That's how I was able to sell my Wife on the whole turbo thing too ("we'll save a lot in gas, sweet heart")

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I did the install on my car. I think the install time depends on your mechanical capabilities. My install took about 8 hours on jack stands in my garage. This of course is not counting all the data logging and tuning time. The one thing I can't stress enough is the fact that you do want to take your time and do it right. My STS kit did bolt right up with no fitment issues. I'm not sure if there would be any weird fitment issues with your car being AWD though. You should contact Rick at STS and find out from him. STS is also on facebook. You can post on the STS wall, they are very good about responding to questions.

Good luck!

Justin

Thanks for the info and quick reply. I plan to recruit a friend of mine to help (do most of the work

). He has about 30 years of experience doing bodywork//restoring cars and can probably get access to a lift. Is the tune provided by STS just to get you on the road? Was your tuning done by someone local or by email?

I will get in touch with STS regarding the AWD fitment. The only part I can think of that may be an issue is routing the tubing to the intake in the front suspension area.

Thanks again for your insight/advice.

**wha-gone** · 06-30-2011, 11:42 AM

No problem! You should be ok up under the front suspension, Im just not sure if you'll have a transfer case in the way or something. You do get a base tune to istall first. After your base tune is installed, you do some data logging with the predator and fill out a feedback form that you email to sts and then they adjust your tune until it its just right for your car. Its all done by email. If you don't have any experience with data logging and/or tuning, it can sound a little intimidating at first but its an easy process once you get into it.

**MagnumRT05** · 06-30-2011, 11:49 AM

Another thing I would personally do on any kit you get is delete the turbos and oiling system. Then pick up an oilless turbo(s) and use that instead. Its much more DD friendly.

**8yourM5** · 06-30-2011, 12:00 PM

^ yea but are those tubes proven yet? How long have they been on the market for? I know comp makes a great product, I am still just leery of the bearing approach.

**MagnumRT05** · 06-30-2011, 03:09 PM

Look at the Poopra and Viper forums. They will last about 50k miles before needed a "rebuild". But for what the oiling system alone costs, it is much cheaper to buy a Comp Turbo. I havent heard a single horrible thing about them.

And oilless is nothing new. I believe the Airplane industry has used them.