sts turbos

[kaosanddoom]

ok, i have recently purchased a 2007 dodge magnum srt8(found a brand new one at a dealer for a steal) and already want more power. looking really hard at this sts turbo kit but was wondering if anyone on here has any experience with them on their car. i know i saw one car on the forum that had one but didn't see much about it. any info on things like car longevity, rwhp or dyno numbers, fuel economy, stuff like that. any info is greatly appreciated.

[LQQKOUT]

I would suggest you stay away from STS until they get the kits on the road and have a few months of tuning on them. The first kits they designed for the LT1's and LS1's turned into disasters.

[SRT8U]

The kits are new but there are several kits installed on R&D cars that now have LOTS of miles on them woth no reported issues. The other option would be looking at Superchargers, we deal w/ Vortech and Procharger as well as STS so we can help you whichever way you decide to go. The S/C route is a bit easier of a bolt on application, and I can tell you from personal experience it is reliable...I drive mine 40 miles a day

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Run a search, there is lots of info on here regarding turbos on the Hemi.

Tim - CIS

[kaosanddoom]

did the search, and found the cis kit to. now i am really hooked but really confused. i love the water/meth idea, i have it on my truck. but to all others out there, could i get some pros and cons of one system versus the other. it seems cis is much cheaper, but what about numbers, dyno charts, adjustability, and how they work with other mods. i know the info is probably in other threads somewhere, but i am a turbo noob, and alot of it doesn't make any sense to me.

[Rockinsrt8]

I have their twin turbo comming.Should have it on in a couple weeks. I'll let ya'll know how it goes

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

......now i am really hooked but really confused. ......but i am a turbo noob, and alot of it doesn't make any sense to me.

No matter who's or what power adder you are looking at, the first thing anyone needs to decide upon is just exactly what are your goals. There is a big difference between just wanting to add some additional power to a stock engine versus gong all out for a beast.

Starting out with products to augment a stock engine and drive train and then to later change the goal can lead to compatibility issues to what you have already purchased, so it is important to set a goal up front, and work with who or what you decide to go with to meet that goal.

I have done stock 5.7's, stock 6.1's, stroker engines, etc, and they vary widely.

If you have specific questions, PM me and or send me your number and I will be glad to give you a call.

Tim - CIS

[yambra]

Its kinda hard to say much about any of the turbo kits out there since there isn't much feed back out there. More people are going with the superchargers and nitrous. Personally I prefer turbos over superchargers or nitrous. I know a little about turbos so I'm working on building my own turbo set up, but if I was going to buy someone elses kit I'd probably go with a cis kit. And really the only reason I'd go with them is because they seem to be pretty resonsive to posts regarding turbos. I don't really know anything about there kit or what kind of power gains are claimed, but they seem like they would be easy to deal with if you had any questions or conserns

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Its kinda hard to say much about any of the turbo kits out there since there isn't much feed back out there. More people are going with the superchargers and nitrous. Personally I prefer turbos over superchargers or nitrous. I know a little about turbos so I'm working on building my own turbo set up, but if I was going to buy someone elses kit I'd probably go with a cis kit. And really the only reason I'd go with them is because they seem to be pretty resonsive to posts regarding turbos. I don't really know anything about there kit or what kind of power gains are claimed, but they seem like they would be easy to deal with if you had any questions or conserns

I really appreciate your comments, makes me feel all good inside. I try to be as upfront an honest in my dealings as I can with everyone. I have a lot of information scattered throughout my forum posts, but that is part of the problem, it's scattered from being posted over time.

I really, really want to get a web site up so I can place all the pertinent data in one place. Problem is that I am soo busy, time is very scarce.

I am going to try to at least get some kind of a combined info sticky or something in our forum, but again, time is the issue.

If there are specific questions anyone has, please feel free to PM me directly and I will do my best to get right back to you in a day or so max.

You might want to check out the recent post by Irishchamp on his recent 392 turbo build.

Thanks,

Tim - CIS

[Bradyb]

STS has been around for a number of years now. I put 20,000 miles on as LS1 Camaro kit in 2005/2006, running 485 rear wheel horsepower at 8 PSI. It was awesome with no issues. STS has won engineering awards from GM, SEMA, the Press etc...
Their GTO kits put GTOs into the 9/8s, their Corvette kits have put C5/C6s into the 8s. They have a ton of experience under the belts. They were the first company to have a turbo kit for the Hemi/Ram but stopped production until reliable tuning could be provided with the kit.

I'm assuming Creative Induction Systems will be dealing with a nice patent infringement lawsuit from STS if they don’t stop selling knock off rear mount turbo kits. It’s amazing how much his kit looks like the STS LS1 GTO kit.

[roswald0511]

STS has been around for a number of years now. I put 20,000 miles on as LS1 Camaro kit in 2005/2006, running 485 rear wheel horsepower at 8 PSI. It was awesome with no issues. STS has won engineering awards from GM, SEMA, the Press etc...
Their GTO kits put GTOs into the 9/8s, their Corvette kits have put C5/C6s into the 8s. They have a ton of experience under the belts. They were the first company to have a turbo kit for the Hemi/Ram but stopped production until reliable tuning could be provided with the kit.

I'm assuming Creative Induction Systems will be dealing with a nice patent infringement lawsuit from STS if they don’t stop selling knock off rear mount turbo kits. It’s amazing how much his kit looks like the STS LS1 GTO kit.

Deffinately uncalled for!!!!

[DevilzTower]

I'm assuming Creative Induction Systems will be dealing with a nice patent infringement lawsuit from STS if they don’t stop selling knock off rear mount turbo kits. It’s amazing how much his kit looks like the STS LS1 GTO kit.

well, that wins .... as the most ignorant post of the day ... and to think ... I seem to rememeber CIS as the company who was working to patent their air induction design for their remote mount turbo system.....

ya know ... there's a reason that we don't call it "STS' remote mount turbo" when we talk of remote mounted turbos, is because it's not a new idea.

[Bradyb]

well, that wins .... as the most ignorant post of the day ... and to think ... I seem to rememeber CIS as the company who was working to patent their air induction design for their remote mount turbo system.....

ya know ... there's a reason that we don't call it "STS' remote mount turbo" when we talk of remote mounted turbos, is because it's not a new idea.

CIS is going to patent their air box idea or induction design?

CIS is in no way partnered with STS, correct?

The STS patent is 4-5 years old if I remember correctly. There's a patent that lists the turbo being mounted outside the engine bay and some others on the remote oil system as well.

If I'm off base here let me know.

[MagnumRT05]

CIS is going to patent their air box idea or induction design?

CIS is in no way partnered with STS, correct?

The STS patent is 4-5 years old if I remember correctly. There's a patent that lists the turbo being mounted outside the engine bay and some others on the remote oil system as well.

If I'm off base here let me know.

Their patent isnt very clear. Remote mount and anything outside of the engine bay. There are a multitude of kits out that are low-mount and the CIS mid-mount kit. STS puts their turbos behind the rear axle (at least on the kits Ive seen). CIS's is in front of the axle. RDP's/Fastlane Inc is near the cats. And thats just naming a few of the companies that have kits that arent in the engine bay. So if they are infringing on a patent, then STS is gonna make alot of money, but Im sure these other companies know what they are doing. And Im betting that the STS kits will make the least power outta all of them

[Bradyb]

Here it is again for this thread, and yes STS knows about CIS and is working on it.

Squires Turbo Systems, Inc. Awarded Patents
On June 8th, 2004 Squires Turbo Systems, Inc. was awarded a patent on remote mounting a turbocharger.
U.S. Patent 6,745,568 "Turbo System and Method of Installing"
On November 14th, 2006 Squires Turbo Systems, Inc. was awarded another patent on remote mounting a turbocharger.
U.S. Patent 7,134,282 "Turbo System and Method of Installing"
The key areas of the patent include the remote location of the turbo (mounting the turbocharger outside of the engine bay), the oiling system and the passive charge intercooling. Other patents are pending in the U.S. as well as Internationally. Licensing programs are currently in place and available for parties interested in using remote mount technology. Please contact STS for information on licensing programs.
"We are honored to receive these patents and excited about the future of remote-mounted turbocharging. We hope that this technology will allow many more people to enjoy the increased power and efficiency of turbocharging their vehicles."

Rick Squires - Founder of Squires Turbo Systems, Inc.