Need input for new turbo system for the 3.5 V6

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Turbo system for the 3.5 V6 LX and Challenger models.

Okay, it’s been talked about for quite some time now, so it is time to get serious about it.

But first, I need some feedback from you V6 owners as to your interest and what you would want to see.

This would be an under chassis mount system. Why? Cost and complexity for anything different.

For cost considerations, the turbine outlet would be configured to connect into your existing single exhaust pipe in the tunnel. No exhaust system would be included beyond the turbine out pipe stub.

This will be a single turbo only system; a twin would only serve to drive up the price significantly.

The system will include a water/meth injection system as all my other designs.

It will not include an intercooler. If you must have an intercooler, have your shop modify the tubing to install one (air to water would be easier).

Most people already own a Diablo Predator, so one will not be included. As with our other systems, you have the choice of tuning with the iEMS3 or a CMR tuner of your choice. Neither option will be included in a basic kit.

What it will contain.

Single turbo
All 304H SS piping for hot and cold side.
40 or 50 MM wastegate
40 or 50 MM BOV
Silicone connectors
SS T-Bolt clamps
SS Torq-Tite exhaust clamps
Oil Scavenge pump
Oil Scavenge pump electrical control system and electrical bus combination
Electrical harness
Stage 1 water/meth injection system
Oil and vent lines
Air filter and inlet tubing
All mounting hardware, fittings, ty-raps, etc.
6 larger fuel injectors

Setup to run 7 psi, ESTIMATE + 100 RWHP and + 100-125 RWTQ.

Estimated MSRP $4,500.00 (if I can do it for less, I will)

The question is;

How many of you would be interested in a system as described at this price?

How many would be likely to purchase in the next 6 months?

Would you be more interested in a basic tuner system with NO water/meth injection and NO injectors priced at $3895.00 - $3995.00?

Your feedback will determine if this moves forward or not, so speak up.

[TTMR]

Tim, if you still want my car just let me know buddy!

As for what we want...

1 Single turbo is just fine
2 Many of us already have a cat back and a single is required for the single turbo so no exhaust is good as it keeps the price down
3 Under chassis, well gotta put it where it will fit
4 Water meth? GREAT!
5 With chemical intercooling (meth injection) adding an additional intercooler aproaches the point of deminishing returns, so if we have to add one on our own, so be it.

[ToddStone]

So this is the same concept as the STS Remote system, right? That's a pretty good deal. With the exhaust though, are you putting the turbine where the muffler is (the suitcase) and not at the resonators, or does it delete the suitcase and move the turbine closer to the rear? Is it going to be the samething/close to what's in your signature? I love the idea of the remote system.

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

The turbo will be mounted as far forward as I can locate it, On the V6 it will not be in the back or where the stock muffler is located.

[blackmagnum06]

Oh yes I'm very interested

[dodgerla]

The biggest thing would be price.

[rwalshphoto]

I think its a great deal and a very complete kit and I'm very anxious to see the outcome and tunability compared the S/Cers. Price is the biggest issue for me as well. Hopefully at some time I'll be able to afford it if the project come to fruition but it wont be in the next 6 months.

[Bryali]

Some things that came up for me:

Just for me, if you're going to do this, keep the meth. I know others may not want it as a way to keep cost down, but if I'm going to be running this kit I want SOME type of intercooling. Without having to fab up some air-to-air or air-to-water cooler, the chemical cooling is easier and better.

Forgive my ignorance please, but what is different between this kit and the STS? I haven't heard much good said about the STS kit, so I want to know how this is any better or different. I'm not saying this kit is bad, I just don't know, so please help me?

How much of an issue will road debris be for this kit? I live in NY and the winters bring snow which brings the most corrosive mixture of salt, sand, and other chemical stuff. How will this kit stand up to that?

Since no tuner would be included (which I agree with because I already have one), would there be some type of email tune or whatever to baseline our cars? I would imagine this would be a professional installation only kit, so dyno tuning should be there, but how about that initial tune? How would that be addressed? *nevermind, i just re-read the OP and saw where this was covered

If the drivability and tunability and reliability of this system is comparable to SC's that have been successful for our 3.5's, I'd be interested. I probably won't be able to buy in the next 6 months, but I'd definitely be interested.

[wishing for hemi]

if you need a tester im in for that but either way i am in. i love poweradders and if i can be the first to reach 400 to the wheels( which is only 70 shy right now i am in) what time frame are we looking at because the track will be closing this month and open again in feb or march. looks like i might have a hemi short block for sale soon. unless my harley sells soon but i want this system

[wishing for hemi]

Since no tuner would be included (which I agree with because I already have one), would there be some type of email tune or whatever to baseline our cars? I would imagine this would be a professional installation only kit, so dyno tuning should be there, but how about that initial tune? How would that be addressed?


i would suggest getting a tune specific to you vehicle. every car runs a bit differant and with boost you really dont want to skimp on the most important safety feature of the whole kit

[ToddStone]

I'd be interested once it's done.

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

if you need a tester im in for that but either way i am in. i love poweradders and if i can be the first to reach 400 to the wheels( which is only 70 shy right now i am in) what time frame are we looking at because the track will be closing this month and open again in feb or march. looks like i might have a hemi short block for sale soon. unless my harley sells soon but i want this system

I could likely have the prototype built in 4 weeks and ready to produce systems. I doubt one would be ready before your track closes. The numbers would be similar and likely slightly higher than an SC at the same PSI due to no belt being involved.

I have wanted to do a V6 for some time, and I will do my best to keep the price down as that would move more units, but I won't skimp on quality either.

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Since no tuner would be included (which I agree with because I already have one), would there be some type of email tune or whatever to baseline our cars? I would imagine this would be a professional installation only kit, so dyno tuning should be there, but how about that initial tune? How would that be addressed?

i would suggest getting a tune specific to you vehicle. every car runs a bit differant and with boost you really dont want to skimp on the most important safety feature of the whole kit

We don't do CMR tuning, but there are several very competent tuners that could handle it is that is the direction determined to be an individuals choice. In house we would use the iEMS3 because it only makes sense on a turbo to use it. Not only does it provide closed loop boost fuel correction, but it also controls the water/meth spray, and has progressive electronic boost control built in. The water/meth and electronic boost control alone would run almost $650 for comparable equipment and they would not be integrated in with the overal tuning package as they are in the iEMS3. If we develop and tune in house, then we would have base files available to tweak from just as we have for the Hemi applications.

The Kit would be designed for an owner install if the owner has basic mechanical knowledge. Of sourse you could have a shop of your choice install also.

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Some things that came up for me:

Just for me, if you're going to do this, keep the meth. I know others may not want it as a way to keep cost down, but if I'm going to be running this kit I want SOME type of intercooling. Without having to fab up some air-to-air or air-to-water cooler, the chemical cooling is easier and better.

Forgive my ignorance please, but what is different between this kit and the STS? I haven't heard much good said about the STS kit, so I want to know how this is any better or different. I'm not saying this kit is bad, I just don't know, so please help me?

How much of an issue will road debris be for this kit? I live in NY and the winters bring snow which brings the most corrosive mixture of salt, sand, and other chemical stuff. How will this kit stand up to that?

Since no tuner would be included (which I agree with because I already have one), would there be some type of email tune or whatever to baseline our cars? I would imagine this would be a professional installation only kit, so dyno tuning should be there, but how about that initial tune? How would that be addressed? *nevermind, i just re-read the OP and saw where this was covered

If the drivability and tunability and reliability of this system is comparable to SC's that have been successful for our 3.5's, I'd be interested. I probably won't be able to buy in the next 6 months, but I'd definitely be interested.

Regarding winters, we only use the best components possible. All of our piping is 304H Stainless Steel, this is a very expensive non magnetic, non corroding type of stainless steel, not like the much cheaper 400 series that actually rusts. Compared to steel or even coated steel others use, 304H is 4 to 6 times as expensive per foot, but it lasts forever. We also only use 304 stainless steel for all our mounting tabs and hangers, all welded with stainless wire. Our clamps are all stainless steel T-Bolt style, not the cheaper worm clamps that lose tension and allow the charge pipe couplings to come loose.

We use OEM quality electrical components that look like factory components when installed. All are made in house as well. All mounting hardware is zinc chromate coated Grade 8.

In actuality, the center of the vehicle underneath sees relatively low amounts of overall spray, look underneath and see how clean the underside away from the wheel wells stays.

The turbine housing is a high quality cast steel, and they can be coated as an option if desired, as well as the compressor housing. Otherwise you will see some light corrosion on them, but look under your hood at the front of your engine, if you drive in salt/snow, you get a tremendous amount of salt spray coming through the front all over the engine, even a turbo or SC under the hood is going to exhibit corrosion.

I put 36,000 miles on my 06 300C with the original Hemi turbo system, and so far 13,000 miles on the new Cherokee 5.7 system. I have never damaged any underside components, and they are no more vulnerable than the factory components under the vehicle. I live in NW Ohio, not exactly the tropics either!

Your transmission is cast aluminum as well as the entire front of your engine, and nobody worries abut driving through nasty conditions with them!

[jr300]

so its 4500$ for the basic kit,then i have to get a diablo 350$,and then the ems you sell to make boost work with my ecu 600?$ and if id rather get a more efficiant front mount setup,about another 500$.....dont get me wrong PLEASE,im just pointing out that its going to cost way more than 4500.00 to get your car up and running with a turbo kit.thats 6k for a turbo setup,kinda of a hard sell with the economy the way it is now.......and no im not trying to be a d**k at all.