Auto up-shift how to?

**Mike@Diablosport** · 05-05-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by MattRobertson

Yes there is, but to be polite in this vendor's forum I won't mention it by name.

No fear, I ain't skeered of a lil competition...
In fact, as far as we are concerned, if ANYONE else can do something, then so can we.

**bob34787** · 05-05-2008, 03:29 PM

well it can't be SC, not atleast for the 07 because non of their trans. functions work on 07 or 08. Hmmmmm

**diablotoona** · 05-05-2008, 03:31 PM

If i understand this right your car does not upshift while in autostick mode.
Is this in stock format or just with the tune in?
If it does it stock i would probably check with dealer on a tcm flash update.

**MattRobertson** · 05-05-2008, 03:32 PM

OK Mike I'll say it out loud then, but only under protest :D

It is indeed the Superchips brick. On all 05 and 06 cars we had the ability to have what they called "Paddle Kick" (the stock shifting behavior) and "Paddle Hold" where it won't upshift -- in conjunction with their other stuff. In fact the SC brick was the first introduction most of us got to gear-holding behavior.

**MattRobertson** · 05-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by diablotoona

If i understand this right your car does not upshift while in autostick mode.
Is this in stock format or just with the tune in?
If it does it stock i would probably check with dealer on a tcm flash update.

That is correct. It now does not do that, but it does that stock.

The dealer will not touch the car at this point. Its no longer an option. More great Dodge service. Besides, why would a TCM update have any effect to return stock behavior when it behaves like that fine when its stock? In other words, the thing that took away the auto upshift was the installation of the Diablo. Its something inside of what you guys have that kills this, right?

I was version'd up to the most recent allowable for my vehicle when I bought the Diablo a few months ago. But I bought it as a part of a near-total performance rebuild of the car and now I can spell 'dealer' but thats it.

**Mr. iNCREDIBLE** · 05-05-2008, 03:38 PM

Mike:

on the "other" tuner you have 2 options:

Paddle-Kick
Paddle-Hold

(their terminology)

Paddle-Kick will allow you to go into "manual" mode, but still "kick" the gear when you hit the rev limit, you get the "5" before the "D" in manual mode and for all intense and purpose is behaves like a manual except it auto kicks the gear.

it also auto down shifts as you slow and the rpms drop below the "accepted" level

the Paddle-hold, is just that, it holds the gear until you manually shift, up or down.. but with the other tuner it would dump you into 1 at a complete stop..

the STOCK version basically functions like this:

if you dump it into manual and go to "3" you now have a 3 speed auto transmission, the car will auto up and auto down but never go past 3rd gear, it will drop if you go WOT and upshift under slight acceleration, just like in drive..

if you choose "4" same behavior, just with 4 gears..

there is no "5" option, and if you choose "2" the car will kick to "3" anyway for safety issues.

now for the record, I was NEVER able to get "paddle-hold" to work on the other tuner, and still can't get it to work on the Predator with TCM part number 04692392AK, the TCM simply will not allow that feature to function with revision AK, it does work with revisions AA thru AG, but will not after AH..

same with TCM part number 04692390AI, the paddle hold does not work.. revisions AA thru AG work perfect, but not AH or AI..

somewhere in there past revision AH on both the 04692390 and 04692392 TCM's Chrysler changed the code preventing the SRT style paddle hold and "5" gear option from being allowed with the tuners..

Friday I reversed a flash for SDautoXr, his TCM was part number 04692390AI and I set him back to AG, when I did this the paddle-hold on the "other" tuner worked perfect, where with AI regardless of choosing the option, the car would kick the gear at rev limit..

I hope this makes some sense...

**Lost815** · 05-05-2008, 05:23 PM

This is exactlly what I want to acheive. The situtaion that you described is right on the money thank

Originally Posted by MattRobertson

When you are road racing, you are running in a numbered gear and downshifting into the corners to assist in braking and to get you into the right gear for your corner exit. When you come out of the corner you hammer the throttle and -- especially when you hit a short straightaway -- you have a much easier time letting the car upshift itself while you concentrate on staying on the track and not getting yourself killed bouncing off a wall.

The lack of an auto upshift gives you one more thing to worry about and one more thing to screw up. Sure, drivers in the past have all had to shift their cars. Drivers of the past also didn't have automatic transmissions, or f1-style shifters on the wheel. Or air conditioning on the street. Its all part of progress in 21st century technology.

Leaving the car in 'D' means you lose the benefit of downshifting while braking, and my acceleration is a hell of a lot less smooth coming out of a corner where I pick my gear coming out of a corner. A downshift would be a disaster as that split second would give the Porsche, Bimmer or STI breathing down my neck all the benefit s/he needs to demand a point-by past me. I'm sure thats meaningless in drag racing but it is a LOT in road racing.

So, its not about "the car not upshifting when I want it to". Its about the vehicle taking over a step in systems management at a critical point so I can focus on other equally critical tasks.

**JimTurner** · 05-05-2008, 11:20 PM

Yup, this is what I have been asking for, but not as thoroughly and completely as mentioned here.

See post #6 http://www.diablosport.com/index.php...6140&highlight=

And here... Predator Shifting - Auto (D) vs. 'manual' - opinions wanted

Paddle Kick with all the tranny goodies, auto down shift, 1-5, etc.

Next rev? :-D

**Lost815** · 05-06-2008, 01:58 AM

DS anychane of getting this to work?

**Lost815** · 05-06-2008, 01:58 AM

If there is anyone else interested in this please post so we can get a count

**FactoryD** · 05-06-2008, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by MattRobertson

When you are road racing, you are running in a numbered gear and downshifting into the corners to assist in braking and to get you into the right gear for your corner exit. When you come out of the corner you hammer the throttle and -- especially when you hit a short straightaway -- you have a much easier time letting the car upshift itself while you concentrate on staying on the track and not getting yourself killed bouncing off a wall.

The lack of an auto upshift gives you one more thing to worry about and one more thing to screw up. Sure, drivers in the past have all had to shift their cars. Drivers of the past also didn't have automatic transmissions, or f1-style shifters on the wheel. Or air conditioning on the street. Its all part of progress in 21st century technology.

Leaving the car in 'D' means you lose the benefit of downshifting while braking, and my acceleration is a hell of a lot less smooth coming out of a corner where I pick my gear coming out of a corner. A downshift would be a disaster as that split second would give the Porsche, Bimmer or STI breathing down my neck all the benefit s/he needs to demand a point-by past me. I'm sure thats meaningless in drag racing but it is a LOT in road racing.

So, its not about "the car not upshifting when I want it to". Its about the vehicle taking over a step in systems management at a critical point so I can focus on other equally critical tasks.

You make a great case for it. I stand corrected.

**Lost815** · 05-10-2008, 04:48 PM

Ds anychance of getting this fixed in an update?

**chasb** · 05-10-2008, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Inked*Gamer

If there is anyone else interested in this please post so we can get a count

Strangely enough I was just out driving and getting ready for the Mopar Nats at Englishtown next week and was hoping to b able to somehow have the tranny auto upshift.

Right now I'm in option 1 and I get 1 thru 5 and have to shift out or it hits the rev limiter and dies off.

I love my 4 speed Dart, but I'd rather have the paddle kick feature on my 300 like I did with the SC tuner.

Now I have to rely on my ability to shift at the right time (like with the 4 speed) and I can't get any consistency.

With the SC, I could put it in 1st and slam it at 1800 or 2 grand off the tree and it would shift right out at whatever I set the shift limit to.

With the Predator, the car runs stronger and I can alter more variables, but the shifting is missing.

I vote YES to putting some version of paddle kick in as an option, tied to the shift points you set with your tune.

**MattRobertson** · 05-10-2008, 05:40 PM

Lets not forget that this is functionality that came with the car and was taken away when the Diablo software came into play, for reasons I don't think anyone on either side of the fence is clear on yet.

**done** · 05-11-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by chasb

Strangely enough I was just out driving and getting ready for the Mopar Nats at Englishtown next week and was hoping to b able to somehow have the tranny auto upshift.

Right now I'm in option 1 and I get 1 thru 5 and have to shift out or it hits the rev limiter and dies off.

I love my 4 speed Dart, but I'd rather have the paddle kick feature on my 300 like I did with the SC tuner.

Now I have to rely on my ability to shift at the right time (like with the 4 speed) and I can't get any consistency.

With the SC, I could put it in 1st and slam it at 1800 or 2 grand off the tree and it would shift right out at whatever I set the shift limit to.

With the Predator, the car runs stronger and I can alter more variables, but the shifting is missing.

I vote YES to putting some version of paddle kick in as an option, tied to the shift points you set with your tune.

Whay not just put in D and go. It will shift at the Diablo limits just like you want it to and you don't have to do anything?