GIFO4 - Perf Results, Analysis, Comments and Meet & Greet Pics

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:00 AM

THE GREAT INTAKE FACE OFF, VERSION 4 (GIFO4)

First, the thank yous to everyone that made this GIFO the best to date.

GIFO4 sponsors:
LXForums.com, High Horse Performance, AllAmericanSynthetic.com, MoparStore, FactoryD-USA, and Racing Sports Akimoto

Folks that stepped up to make this one kick ass event:
MattRobertson, Meister (and son Mike), gotls1, xceler8r, Mosie, MagnumFreak, Cam, LadyNilla and the others that made it out and/or contributed funds - Without you guys, we don't have a GIFO. Thank you.

Now, the details

Mods tested this time around:
Superchips Tuner, Hypertech Tuner, Jet Stage II Chip, K&N Aircharger, K&N Typhoon, DUBAir Intake, Weapon R Intake, Hennessey Intake, StarScan "dyno", AMSOIL and Filter, and the Hurricane IAT Modification

The Event:
Three days of dyno, track, friends, eats, and drinks. Throw in a webcam, a handful of intakes, some oil, a 5hp vacuum, one or two gentle giants toting laptops, programmers and a StarScan, and Mickey Mouse... and you've got the makings of an event unlike any other.

Thursday was at SVS. NillaBean spent the day on the rack getting her KWv2's & Hotchkis sways installed. We got Meister and MattRobertson on the dyno and came up with some interesting numbers. LadyNilla ran the webcam for those not able to make it.

Friday was unbelievable. The guys at SVS pulled off an unprecedented feat; 10 cars and 80ish dyno pulls in 7 hours. It was a marvel to watch. Organized chaos is probably the best way to picture it. Those of you on the webcam can attest... its amazing to see how people can come together when a common goal is within reach. Friday nite... killer time at the track. The LX's took over the joint!

Saturday... well LadyNilla and I had to leave a bit early but from what I understand it was a great event. Lunch was had at Haggin Oaks, and then an evening at the track was topped off by a 13.9 by the one and only Hyperbolic.

The Results:
Lets get to the numbers. I've broken these out by LX this time, as the configurations are pretty varied.

Note: You're welcome to download any and all of the data. I've organized it by LX for ease of access. If you plan on downloading and viewing any of the data, click here to download the SuperFlow Viewer. You MUST download and install this viewer if you hope to view the files!

Meister's Results:
Download the raw data here

Analysis:
-Notice that tests 7 and 8 are identical in setup. During the update for test 6 to the Superchips tuner, the tuner froze during programming. The car started and seemed to act as normal, and given the time constraints we were under we went ahead with the tests. Later that evening, Meister discovered his PCM was throwing all sorts of codes. MagnumFreak plugged in, cleared them and they then proceeded to reprogram using the Superchips. This time, the process completed as normal. We then decided test 6 and 7's results were at best suspect and as such we decided to rerun test 7 the following day. Well, you can see the results (there is the possibility that a cold engine also contributed to the much better numbers, but I think its safe to say these numbers are fairly accurate for comparison purposes).

-This is a great example of why its so important to not take the in-the-moment numbers too seriously. I think all of us in the control box were convinced the Jet combined with the SC tune was a bad idea. However, looking at these numbers, that may not be the case at all.

-Yet again it seems we are proving size does in fact matter, when an after market exhaust is in the mix; time and time again Meister's S&B filter showed to perform the best and not surprisingly it, it happened to be the biggest filter at the GIFO4. On the other hand, the Weapon R underwhelmed. Again, not surprisingly, it was the smallest filter at the GIFO4.

MattRobertson's Results:
Download the raw data here

Analysis:
Well… where to start. First, I think I should thank MattRobertson. My Magnum was out of commission for some of the dyno time, and thanks to Matt, we were able to proceed without even a hiccup. His and my Magnum are nearly identical; both have Gibson shorties, both have Zoomers exhaust, both have the latest PCM and TCM softwares and both have tested on this same dyno at virtually the same horsepower and torque numbers in the past. As such, I felt very comfortable substituting his Magnum for mine for the GIFO tests this time around.

So on to the results…. Interesting stuff, no? The first thing that jumped out at me is the variability between back to back runs. Unlike the GIFOs in the past, this time we had some 7 or 8 hp swings (and one 12hp swing!) in subsequent runs for the same hardware setups. However, if you look close, you’ll see that it’s those runs where the 91 tune of the Superchips was used where these swings are observed. When no tune was applied, we get the usual 3ish hp spread we’re used too. I’m not sure the long term ramification of this variability with the Superchips, but its worth keeping in mind.

The next item I found of interest is, as Meister said best, “size does matter”. The Weapon R filter was by far the smallest filter at the tests (4inch?). Not surprisingly, it consistently tested the worst of all setups. On the other hand, the S&B 9” filter and Hennessey (7”?) tested best of all.

Regarding the Weapon R tube: at the GIFO we were originally thinking they might be on to something with that double wall construction. Basically, we surmised that the filter was in fact limiting the design, and we confirmed this when we used the tube but with the S&B filter. However, after reviewing the data, I now think the increase is due to the filter, not the tube. It didn’t seem to matter what tube we used, as long as we used a large filter.

The Hypertech tuner: we ran this tuner first thing Friday morning. As you can see, the performance numbers are down from its competitor, the Jet Stage II chip. We did not run the two in conjunction, as we felt it was unlikely someone would buy the Jet chip and Hypertech, as again, they really are competing products.

However, we did combine the Jet with the Superchips, and found the numbers to be down from just the Superchips tune. Meister has proven that at extreme speeds the two seem to work well together. However, I think our dyno results show that at “normal” speeds, the combination is actually a detriment to performance.

Speaking about the Superchips… horsepower wise we can’t really claim there is a benefit. The number seem to indicate there is one of about 5, but the variability between runs thanks to the tuner makes this tough to assert as fact. However, take a look at the torque numbers. Over a stock tune, it seems the 91 is worth around 20 ft/lbs! Pretty stinkin impressive.

As nice as the torque improvement is, it’s the tranny settings that really make this tuner a must have. Gone is the 170hp dip, the 1.4second / 9mph lag time between shifts. In Paddle Kick mode, we get what really should have been shipped from the factory. Take a look (blue is stock, red is PK)

Unlike what we saw at the GIFO3 where the GSM mod would occasionally give us this nice tranny curve, the Superchips gives it to us each and every time. That, right there, according to everyone at the GIFO4 makes the Superchips tuner a winner. Everything else is a bonus.

gotls1's Results:
Download the raw data here

Analysis:
Well, take a look... its the GIFO1 all over again. gotls1 offered up her completely bone stock 2006 Dodge Magnum RT for test, and once again we've shown an after market intake fails to offer anything more than audio/visual enjoyment. And again we've shown that pulling fuse 11, at least on a bone stock 5.7L is also a bad idea.

Also not surprisingly the numbers are clearly down with 87 octane gasoline; approx 11hp. What I did find surprising, however is how the Superchips 87 tune actually shows a decrease in performance, even from the stock tune. I'm not specifically sure why that would be but it might make sense when you consider the engine really isn't designed to run in 87. Perhaps the timing has been adjusted to avoid long term detrimental effects?

And, yet again, the numbers are clearly showing that 91 octane (and Superchips 91 tune) offer no performance benefit over 89 octane. Save some pennies and buy the 89!

One note regarding gotls1's data. As you can see, the numbers for the second run are consistently down from the first run. She's running the stock thermostat, and maybe an explanation for this is a heat soaked engine. We don't experience this effect on Meister's 300; he's running the 176deg therm.

Just for giggles, here is an overlay of HP numbers; one with the stock tranny tune and one with the Superchips tune. Even on a completely stock RT, the Superchips tranny tune results in a far better looking curve over stock:

NOTE: For those running the headers, cat back and/or huge air filter mods... keep these comments in mind:

Originally Posted by DennisG

...there were a few cars pinging on friday's dyno towards the end of the day. Not huge pinging but you could here a few crackles. I can't remember the exact cars but it was more than one. I believe it one of the cars made 300 hp. Probably had something to do with the heat (was in the 90's), but I would definitely keep an ear out for that sound as that can seriously shorten your engine life. Even Bob could hear it inside while testing the cars, he commented that it was right near the line (probably speaking of a/f ratio being rather close to the lean side). Those running all the mods might think about running 91 for engine safety not more power. Just a thought.

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:00 AM

And now for YOUR runs

xcelr8r:
Download the raw data here

MAGNUM8R:
Download the raw data here

Cam:
Download the raw data here

Mosie:
Download the raw data here

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:00 AM

CreatedByOne:
Download the raw data here

Obiwan:
Download the raw data here

And last but most certainly not least
DaddysBabyBently:
Download the raw data here

Gotta love the single gear pull.

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:31 AM

Courtesy of DennisG:

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:33 AM

Courtesy of DennisG:

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:34 AM

Courtesty of Calabahn:

**EXTREME** · 05-14-2006, 02:42 AM

keep um coming!!

**JonzMgnm** · 05-14-2006, 02:50 AM

That's all the pictures you have?
J/K
Looking forward to all the "411" from this!
Thanks in advance. :grin:

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:50 AM

And here are some LadyNilla and I took.

How cool is this?

See what the sign says? The GIFO series mantra!

Do I have the best lady in the world or what? Here she is helping Bob unpack my new Hotchkis sways:

Up 'Nillabean goes. Off with the stock suspension and sways, and on with the KWv2s and Hotchkis!

Yummy

Caca

What curb did I hit?!?

Sooo much better

I knew I loved these SVS guys. And you wonder why we keep coming back to 'em...

Thanks LXForums.com!! Look at all the goodies!

CV and MattRobertson gettin the webcam setup:

On with the testing! First up, the one and only Meister!

**CoolVanilla** · 05-14-2006, 02:55 AM

Meister and Jon of SVS workin out some of the details

Next up, MattRobertson!

What the hell is this?

Have you guys lost your mind?

Cam's solution to all this craziness:

After that, I think its time for some track fun. How good does 'Nillabean look now that she's got the KWs in?

Gettin ready

gotls1 preppin MattRobertson's DarthHemi for a run

Consultation time (or as LadyNilla said, "Consolation time..."

More pics are sure to come. We literally had over 50 folks over the three days and everyone seemed to have a camera. Stay tuned!

**ChargerGirl** · 05-14-2006, 03:53 AM

I'm very very sorry I didn't make the GIFO yesterday. I did however make it to the M&G at the golf course and I even managed a run at the track this evening. Check out my numbers. (Bear in mind I've never raced at a track before and there was a huge dragster on my right that smoked up the whole place and kicked up tons of rubber. Anyway...the numbers!

Car#: 520
Reaction: 1.119
T1: 2.286
T2: 6.178
T3: 9.281
MPH (T3): 76.541
T4: 12.099
ET: 14.579
MPH: 90.311

The other guy red-lighted so I won by default. LOL!!!

Great times, great ride up and back and I want more meets!!!!!