Petition to unlock the 2012 SRT8 PCM

[bobsmyuncle]

I said it before, I'll repeat it again.

What makes Chrysler do something that Ford and GM don't?

Everyone claims to be so wise to the inner workings and the supposed 'warranty losses'. Anyone have numbers to back it up?

If those of us tuning our cars is such a small fraction of the buying public (I agree that it is) than those that have claimed warranty due to damage from said tuning must be but a fraction of THAT.

REGARDLESS of the numbers. I pose the question again. Why does
Chrysler go to extremes that GM and Ford do not?

Another point of contention for me is the concept that our numbers (those of us wanting the ability to tune) is too small to influence Chrysler.

On the surface that might make sense, but if our cars aren't the talk of the track they aren't the talk of the streets. If Chrysler doesn't allow us to compete their cars will be a joke to the educated buying public. And THAT filters down to the general audience.

I can't for a second imagine that Chrysler hasn't acknowledged this.

MY guess. They are trying to figure out how best to profit from our desire to tune.

It occurred to me that it would be interesting to see what the implication of this reality would have on the already slim sales of the Viper when it returns.

[SRT5939]

This just makes me sick inside.When Dodge released the 2008 Challenger I was overwhelmed with emotion. when I stood in front of it for the first time at the Phily auto show I broke down in tears.
Now this is like the loss of a child. I just can't take it anymore.
I'll just keep focusing on my 2008 and then theres always my 2010 to play with.

[BB2010SRT8]

MY guess. They are trying to figure out how best to profit from our desire to tune.

I think this is the key right here! They want the money we are passing on to the shops that does the aftermarket work on our cars.

But I be damned if I am going to drive the exact same thing my neighbor across the street drives. See when I pull up to the gas pump now, the question is from some guy standing across from me is, "what mods have you made to your engine?" I go buy something that Chrysler produces with a supercharger on it, and no tuning available to even perform a pulley swap, then the guy a the gas pump says, "you have the 6.4 liter HEMI with the such and such supercharger on it. He already knows what you got, because thats all that is available.

Kinda takes all the fun out of it, don't it?

This just makes me sick inside.When Dodge released the 2008 Challenger I was overwhelmed with emotion. when I stood in front of it for the first time at the Phily auto show I broke down in tears.
Now this is like the loss of a child. I just can't take it anymore.
I'll just keep focusing on my 2008 and then theres always my 2010 to play with.

Better hold on to what you got as long as you can. May be 3 more years before any of the new HEMI's can even have a set of headers added on! I know I'm gone drive my 2010 SRT8 as long as possible. And that is a big MAYBE!

[Immo]

If MS made an operating system and won't give out any info to other engineers for aftermarket applications to run on it. ie, Games, GoogleEarth, Paint Shop Pro, Turbo Tax, printer drivers, upgraded video card drivers, etc. just to name a few. They wouldn't be in business very long.

You are kidding right? Comparing the PCM code to a PC OS. The PCM is a hardware appliance like a router or a firewall. Cisco doesn't allow root level access to there appliances.

Let me give you another example. Cisco and Motorola make Cable TV Set Top Boxes. You get them from your cable company. You don't expect Cisco or Motorola to give you Root Level access so you can steal Cable do you?

[BB2010SRT8]

You are kidding right? Comparing the PCM code to a PC OS. The PCM is a hardware appliance like a router or a firewall. Cisco doesn't allow root level access to there appliances.

Let me give you another example. Cisco and Motorola make Cable TV Set Top Boxes. You get them from your cable company. You don't expect Cisco or Motorola to give you Root Level access so you can steal Cable do you?

I see what your saying, that comparison is apples to oranges. But we don't want to steal Chryslers tune. We just want to modify the tune thats on the car. Its our PCM when we purchase the car, it should be our right to modify the car and the PCM as we see fit!

[S. Artee]

You are kidding right? Comparing the PCM code to a PC OS. The PCM is a hardware appliance like a router or a firewall. Cisco doesn't allow root level access to there appliances.

Let me give you another example. Cisco and Motorola make Cable TV Set Top Boxes. You get them from your cable company. You don't expect Cisco or Motorola to give you Root Level access so you can steal Cable do you?

Linksys WRT54GL series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Immo]

I see what your saying, that comparison is apples to oranges. But we don't want to steal Chryslers tune. We just want to modify the tune thats on the car. Its our PCM when we purchase the car, it should be our right to modify the car and the PCM as we see fit!

Do you ask other manufactures to let you modify there source code? Router, Firewall, Cable Box, etc?

[Immo]

BTW, WHERE are you guys getting your info that GM and Ford releases their PCM Source Code? Just hung up the phone with Diablo and they said "HELL NO". This is what $#@$ me off. One person says it, so it must be so. Let's get our facts straight before we go on the attack!

[Immo]

After Linksys was required to release the WRT54G's firmware source code under terms of the GNU General Public License, there have been many third party projects enhancing that code as well as some entirely new projects using the hardware in these devices. Three of the most widely used are DD-WRT, Tomato and OpenWRT.

Come on, this was written in GPL. Open source code. Not really a true comparison. Show me where Cisco has opened up there Cable Box code, or there IOS Code.

[BB2010SRT8]

Do you ask other manufactures to let you modify there source code? Router, Firewall, Cable Box, etc?

No need to ask them to modify their routers, they sale a router that does the job I want it to do. By the way, comparing routers and cable boxes to High Performance vehicles is not exactly a smart comparison. One of these sits on a computer desk or by a television and the other you drive to the race track to race on the weekends.

BTW, WHERE are you guys getting your info that GM and Ford releases their PCM Source Code? Just hung up the phone with Diablo and they said "HELL NO". This is what $#@$ me off. One person says it, so it must be so. Let's get our facts straight before we go on the attack!

Thats strange, when I see 2011 Camaro's hit the dyno at my builders shop and he throws his HP tuning software on them all the time and tunes them. This is not anything I've heard on the phone. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. Go try to tune a 2011 SRT8 Challenger. Can't be done. Go get your facts straight. I can take you to RPM MotorSports in Garner, NC and let you watch him tune them. He'll let you stand by the dyno and watch if you want to.

[S. Artee]

Come on, this was written in GPL. Open source code. Not really a true comparison. Show me where Cisco has opened up there Cable Box code, or there IOS Code.

The point of the exercise Immo, is that it didn't start out that way...

[Immo]

Thats strange, when I see 2011 Camaro's hit the dyno at my builders shop and he throws his HP tuning software on them all the time and tunes them. This is not anything I've heard on the phone. It's what I've seen with my own eyes. Go try to tune a 2011 SRT8 Challenger. Can't be done. Go get your facts straight. I can take you to RPM MotorSports in Garner, NC and let you watch him tune them. He'll let you stand by the dyno and watch if you want to.

My point is GM DID NOT release it. Diablo and other tuner companies had to crack the code just as they are working on cracking the code on the 2011 Chrysler PCM. It is possible that GM is using the SAME PCM encryption as they were in 2006? DO YOUR RESEARCH before making claims that just plain are not true!

[Immo]

The point of the exercise Immo, is that it didn't start out that way...

What??? They wrote the OS using OPEN SOURCE CODE. Do you understand the difference between starting from scratch on an OS and using an OS such as Linux or in the case of the Linksys appliance you pointed out using General Public License?

[Immo]

The point of the exercise Immo, is that it didn't start out that way...

Just in case you don't understand what Linksys used for that Appliance. They used GPL.

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[S. Artee]

Just in case you don't understand what Linksys used for that Appliance. They used GPL.

You're not reading the entire article. I won't read it for you.