Viper powered Challenger for 2010?

**hemiwagn** · 08-10-2008, 12:15 PM

With a 6 speed manual transmission no less!

Rumor is the car is being seriously considered, with Chevy putting a detuned ZR1 engine in the Camaro Z28 and Ford already has the Mustang Shelby GT500 KR, both of which are in the 550hp range and have manual transmissions.

Such a 'halo' car would also have other goodies like even bigger brakes, uber cool hood, maybe even real sidepipes the old '70 T/A cars!

If the cars were to be built in limited numbers, bodies and running gear could be done in Brampton, including the stamping of unique sheet metal parts, BAP is world renowned for that, and powertrain could be done at the Conner Avenue assembly plant in MI where they hand build Vipers and did the prowlers. Heck all the daytonas and super bees are trucked to Windsor for final exterior striping, so they know how to move cars between plants to finish them off.

I better start saving up now. The '68 Camaro might have to go for this one...

**gn300** · 08-10-2008, 01:51 PM

It would definatly defeat the purpose to but an auto in one!

I would be supprised to see it .

The supercharged 6.1 should take care of the 550 hp!

**kevin2323** · 08-10-2008, 03:51 PM

We will most likely not see that happen. The 6.4 L is more likely than a viper engine since the viper isnt gone yet. Also the Z28 is not a detuned zr1 engine, it is just a supercharged LS3 and last I checked they might even cut out the z28 from production. Plus the gt500 is nothing more than a supercharged svt engine, which a supercharged srt8 should take care of.

**CANDYAPPLE** · 08-10-2008, 04:47 PM

[quote=gn300;1713682]It would definatly defeat the purpose to but an auto in one!

I would be supprised to see it .

Surprised to see a Viper V10 in a Challenger?? I wouldn't bet against it.

Cheers CANDYAPPLE

**Jontoad** · 08-10-2008, 07:30 PM

if they do powerplant sharing it won't be a v10 it will just be the same motor as a future viper. the rumor is that the v10 will no longer be in the viper but it will be a bigger hemi. when they do that the same motor might also see its way into the srt chally, but it wont be a v10.

**Frozen_** · 08-10-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by kevin2323

We will most likely not see that happen. The 6.4 L is more likely than a viper engine since the viper isnt gone yet. Also the Z28 is not a detuned zr1 engine, it is just a supercharged LS3 and last I checked they might even cut out the z28 from production. Plus the gt500 is nothing more than a supercharged svt engine, which a supercharged srt8 should take care of.

errr if the z28 goes in to productions, im pretty sure its going to be the supercharged LSA thats going in the new CTS-V

**hemiwagn** · 08-10-2008, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Frozen_

errr if the z28 goes in to productions, im pretty sure its going to be the supercharged LSA thats going in the new CTS-V

Probably right there. The LSA and LS9 (ZR1 engine) are very similar in many ways (both 6.2L displacement, supercharged with intercoolers on the top of the engine), but there are internal and boost pressure differences. Hence I was inaccurate in saying the Z28 will get a detuned ZR1 engine.

**Import_Killer** · 08-10-2008, 08:18 PM

Whats your source for the future Viper not having a V10?

The Viper ACR received glowing reviews in this months Road&Track, came in second only to a Lambo Gallardo. Besides, what can they use besides whats already in there? What can they use to replace 8.4 litres of ass kicking meanness?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=124547

**Jontoad** · 08-10-2008, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Import_Killer

Whats your source for the future Viper not having a V10?

The Viper ACR received glowing reviews in this months Road&Track, came in second only to a Lambo Gallardo. Besides, what can they use besides whats already in there? What can they use to replace 8.4 litres of ass kicking meanness?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=124547

the viper moving away from the v10 rumor has been on many web sites. i think allpar has it just to name one. the v10 is awesome but it is way old tech and a bigger hemi like they were planing will have the same if not more power with twice the gas mileage. the viper v10 is rated at 7/12 mpg.

if they are making the chally share a powerplant eventually it only makes sense that it would be a newer hemi and not a old technology v10.

**Rollin on Dueces** · 08-10-2008, 09:14 PM

Id like to see the v10 in it, but it would sound much better with a supercharged hemi in it. Viper sound too close to a UPS truck.

**RT NOMAD** · 08-11-2008, 09:58 AM

My thinking (for what that's worth) is that they will use the 6.4L.
There is no R&D required and production could start immediately.

But I like the Viper idea.
That would make for a unique Challenger.

**TMag** · 08-11-2008, 10:15 AM

I would think the 6.4L would make a better choice, reason being, they would have to length the frame a few inches to accomadate the V10.

**stevesrt8** · 08-11-2008, 04:14 PM

so right about the sound on the V10! They have a horrific noise, not at all sweet like a V8.

Note that the 6.4 is NOT EPA certified, that could be too expensive. It's going to be a lot cheaper to just supercharge the 6.1. It's working for Ford, and we all know it's the cheapest HP.

The V10 was built for trucks, and is terribly long and heavy. I'll take a V8 with mine, please.

And finally, the LSA and LS9 are same motor with dozens of details different! No titanium parts, no forged pistons, one brick intercooling, lower boost, no dry sump, etc., distinguish the LSA. Still a ball buster!

**MoparPosterChild** · 08-11-2008, 04:33 PM

I can almost promise you it WON'T happen. In order to fit the V10 in the engine bay, Chrysler would completely have to redesign the front end of the car.

From what I've heard from people at GM, the Z28 is dead for now, due to upcoming CAFE standards and oil prices. If Chrysler was to make a higher horsepower Challenger, it will most likely be the 6.4L 392, or supercharged 6.1/6.4

**BAD MAN 485** · 08-11-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by kevin2323

We will most likely not see that happen. The 6.4 L is more likely than a viper engine since the viper isnt gone yet. Also the Z28 is not a detuned zr1 engine, it is just a supercharged LS3 and last I checked they might even cut out the z28 from production. Plus the gt500 is nothing more than a supercharged svt engine, which a supercharged srt8 should take care of.

IMO a srt-8 with lets say with a vortech slapped on will not beat a bone stock GT-500.
I do agree with the 6.4 will come out in this car before the v-10.

The z28 is still up in the air but a big wig over on the camaro forums swears up and down its still on the table.

The GT-500 is a 5.4ltr with a blower all done by svt which is nothing to shake a stick at they know how to build cars and its a shame ford doesnt use them more IMO.

Originally Posted by Frozen_

errr if the z28 goes in to productions, im pretty sure its going to be the supercharged LSA thats going in the new CTS-V

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