Chrysler shutting the doors

**Resaca rattlesnake** · 12-19-2008, 02:26 PM

Maybe you should move to Japan so you can enjoy all the quality things they have to offer. My Dad has a 300c with over 70,000 miles on it with no problems. Either way the Japanese need more like you and America needs more like me!

**done** · 12-19-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Resaca rattlesnake

Maybe you should move to Japan so you can enjoy all the quality things they have to offer. My Dad has a 300c with over 70,000 miles on it with no problems. Either way the Japanese need more like you and America needs more like me!

I only questioned your logic. Don't take it personally. You might have noticed that I own a Magnum.

**JJS** · 12-19-2008, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Resaca rattlesnake

Maybe you should move to Japan so you can enjoy all the quality things they have to offer. My Dad has a 300c with over 70,000 miles on it with no problems. Either way the Japanese need more like you and America needs more like me!

Perhaps you should think more about what you say...at that point America could use your kind...until then...

**Resaca rattlesnake** · 12-19-2008, 02:52 PM

**lieu910** · 12-19-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by done

Your "cash" built the factory, buys the parts from other American suppliers, pays American workers, goes to the American owned dealer who employs Americans, pays an American salesman a commission, an American finance company interest and American media for advertising. Which leaves 3% or less of the sales price to go back to Japan.

You need to think and research before typing.

Essentially what you are saying is that buying a "domestic" car is really no more beneficial to the domestic economy than buying a Toyota correct?

Absolutely false.

**JJS** · 12-19-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by lieu910

Essentially what you are saying is that buying a "domestic" car is really no more beneficial to the domestic economy than buying a Toyota correct?

Absolutely false.

Elaborate on your position.

**done** · 12-19-2008, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by lieu910

Essentially what you are saying is that buying a "domestic" car is really no more beneficial to the domestic economy than buying a Toyota correct?

Absolutely false.

Since you have been here since 2005, I can assume that you bought a car from a German company, built in Canada with an engine built in Mexico.

You tell me how that logic works as buying a "domstic" car to help the domestic economy.

I am trying to show you guys that you are using faulty logic. The global "car business" is far more complicated than you want to admit or understand.

**jtw715** · 12-19-2008, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Resaca rattlesnake

Name one reason why an American would buy a tundra over a Ram, Silverado, Or F-150? Didnt mean to start a argument but wish more people supported American products and companys.

One reason? Personal taste. This is America. Free enterprise, competition, quality, selection, rights. Before you call me an idiot, know this: I have had a Ford truck in my driveway since I was 16. I love Ford trucks. I don't like their cars (boring, uninspired, etc), but I love their trucks.

Here is another reason why two of my best friends bought Tundras: 381hp @ 5600 rpm and 401 lb.-ft of torque. Plus, the aluminum block with aluminum heads was a deal sealer for them. I have driven their trucks, and I have to say: They haul plywood and a$$. The biggest Chevy motor (non diesel) offers 21hp less and an iron block for more money. The F150? Even less than that. Not sure what the 5.7-Liter V8 HEMI MDS VCT Engine puts out. Then there is that little thing called resale value. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Waiting for you to call me an idiot, but I prefer jackass...

**jtw715** · 12-19-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by done

Since you have been here since 2005, I can assume that you bought a car from a German company, built in Canada with an engine built in Mexico.

You tell me how that logic works as buying a "domstic" car to help the domestic economy.

I am trying to show you guys that you are using faulty logic. The global "car business" is far more complicated than you want to admit or understand.

Amen brother. I posted something to this effect back in 2006. Nothing like an "ALL AMERICAN" 2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8, eh? Oh, and a hearty OLE'! to the 6.1 Hemi motor, and a kudos to Hanz and Franz for the wunderschön suspension parts and equally wunderschön engineering.

Take a trip to Brazil. You will note that the largest producer of vehicles in S. America is Volkswagen AG. Though not a "Brazilian" auto company, the VW cars sold in Brazil are distinctly Brazilian, engineered by Brazilians, Manufactured by Brazilians, Exported by Brazil to other parts of the world, including the USA. Sounds an awful lot like Toyota USA.

You don't hear the Brazilians complaining. VW employs tens of thousands of people. They have been in Brazil for 50 years and are considered a national treasure. BTW: Brazilians are perhaps the most nationalistic people I have ever seen. I should know, I was married to one for 12 years, and I lived in Brazil for five. In Brazil, Ford and GM have a reputation for building inferior cars. Very sad.

**MattRobertson** · 12-19-2008, 06:50 PM

You guys bashing on done could use a little education in economics. Domestic-content autos - regardless of the fact that the companies are foreign-owned - pour gobs of money into this economy and trickle profits out.

And so what? Ever look under the hood of your car? The power steering pump says "Toyoda" on it. The brake rotors say "Bosch". The seats are straight off the parts bin of last generation's Mercedes E-class. The transmission is from the Mercedes AMG parts pile. And the list goes on. If there's one thing the media have been hammering home recently, its that the auto industry uses a shared pool of suppliers.

And that web site run by "retirees" ... well, I'm sure those retirees are great web designers. They'd have to be cuz thats probably 50 grand in expenses right there. And they all happened to live in Washington D.C., huh? Can we get any more cagey? I'm not sure I've ever seen an 'About Us' page that tells any less about 'us'.

Jalopnik once called them the "domestic-ated" ... "Not-So-Level Institute"

And look at this, from the UAW web site:
http://www.uaw.org/solidarity/07/0607/feature07.php

Does Jim Doyle look old enough to be retired? Seriously? BTW Doyle LLC owns the "institute" web site, and if you dig in that direction you see they work very, very hard to keep off the radar.

They're a lobbying group, for Christ's sake. Its their job to spin stories and you guys bought it.

**fireguyty** · 12-20-2008, 01:37 AM

Of course you are driving a German owned, Canadian built . . .blah blah blah, that you keep spewing.

My point. More American jobs are created and money left in America by buying domestic. Does it have parts from other countries, yes. Do they make some models out of the country, yes. Is it currently owned buy a corporation in another country, yes. However it started as an American company, and is dug in here. They have most of their infrastructure here. They have to much money already here to move it all out. So more American jobs are maintained when you buy domestic.

Now then. Is that web sight biased? Yes I have no doubt that it is biased, and is there to try and sway the weaker minded. It is rooted in truth though.

The same is to be said about Toyota, and the hard working people in Texas along with the good people in Kansas or where ever the Camary plant is. This, along with the public service is a marketing ploy again to sway the weaker minded.

About quality. About 10 years ago I worked as a transmission mechanic. For every 2 domestics we would do one import. Not so good of odds, but 10 years ago people still had some national pride and there was probably twice as many domestics. What was the difference? The average domestic trans job cost around $1000. The average import was around $3000.

Done, im sorry to have insulted you but unlike these other guys you keep saying the same stupid points with no proof on your side. So, your an idiot.

**MattRobertson** · 12-20-2008, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by fireguyty

Done, im sorry to have insulted you but unlike these other guys you keep saying the same stupid points with no proof on your side. So, your an idiot.

well, you are doing the same thing, but more to the point, acting like a jerk is not allowed here. Infraction given. Keep it up and it becomes a ban. Follow the rules you agreed to when you signed up here.

**Resaca rattlesnake** · 12-20-2008, 09:58 AM

Check out the toyota camary site, once you see the quality you may want to join it instead.

**jtw715** · 12-20-2008, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Resaca rattlesnake

Check out the toyota camary site, once you see the quality you may want to join it instead.

The Camry had a lot of problems with the 7 speed transmission. Toyota quality is not as stalwart as it used to be, BUT, the perception of quality is still there, which explains the high customer satisfaction and solid resale value. If your neigbor buys a Camry and the engine blows up, it's likely to be perceived as a "fluke". If your neigbor buys a new Malibu or Focus and the engine blows up, it's because "All American cars are crap!"

This brings me back to the the following statement: Perception is everything. GM/DODGE/FORD cars of the 80's and 90's were generally boring to drive, had terrible quality issues, and zero resale value. However, the cars being produced today by the big three are every bit as good if not better than their Japanese counterparts. As with any form of "group think", it will take many many years, perhaps an entire generation, before the bad taste of "poor American quality" goes away. Sadly, it may be a day late and several billions dollars short for the big three.