A Prayer for The Mistress

[Paradog]

Well after months of dealing with BS dealerships, I finally found one that is going to perform the TSB on the misfiring (09-010-06?). I dropped it off tonight. Now I am dreading the call that they won't do it or find something else that isn't covered under that warranty! 21,900 miles and this car has been to the service department more than a whore goes to the clinic!

I got a set of headers waiting to be installed too!

[Paradog]

Well it's still in the shop...hoping tomorrow I get her back!

[Super T]

Sorry to hear man, you got a dud :-(

[the hurse]

i hope they can get it fixed. keep us updated as i am having the misfire too, but no codes show when i took her to the dealer.

[Paradog]

Well it's Day 2 - all the parts are in and the mechanic is going to begin the tear down this afternoon. I should get The Mistress back tomorrow!!!

[LouieLouie]

Hope it works out for you. Took them 5 days to do the TSB on mine, but they did cover it under warranty (had to get the service mgr involved) and 4 weeks later, running great. Definitely let us know details once they "git 'er done"!

[Paradog]

Day 3 - still at the shop...but its not costing me a dime so I'll deal with it! Should be ready tomorrow! I hope!!!!

[fnkychkn]

Day 3 - still at the shop...but its not costing me a dime so I'll deal with it! Should be ready tomorrow! I hope!!!!

hmmm, wonder why it's taking so long. did one this morning. it's not that bad of a job.

[Paradog]

Well I got it back this afternoon! Havent been able to test her out due to the rain. The service took a little over 12 hours, but Day 1 was a loss due to the parts not on hand.

[Pug]

Hey, Para - tell me what was going on with your 3.5 - reason I ask, mine idles very rough sometimes and physically feels like its moving up and down almost. This is only noticable when I am stopped (I guess that was obvious). The dealer I took it to did a "re-flash" and said it was fine. Not so! It helped, but did not take care of it all. Is this the same thing? I only have about 500 miles till my warranty runs out - so I want to get this fixed now! If you have any info that can help me out - please share =)

[Paradog]

If I remember correctly the TSB is 090-010-06 but you can find it if you search.

What I was experiencing was sparatic rough idling, the CEL would flash but would not throw a code. The dealer had agreed to do the service because he was aware of the issue and understood that a code was not required in order to have the problem. About a week before I dropped it off, it did throw a P300 code (misfiring). The work requires more understanding than I have but the resident Chicken can add to that.

I went to 3 Dodge dealerships and had a lengthy discussion with DCX about the lack of service regarding this issue. It was while shopping for a new car that I happened into a Jeep/Chyrsler dealer and frankly was finally treated with respect! I guess they recognize people that love their cars more than the average joe. They have performed the TSB, replaced a wire harness that got fried, and replaced the front headlights that had crazzing..all service was under warranty. Needless to say I have found a dealer to continue to go to!!! Funny thing is that they have a sister dealership in my town...that refused to perform the TSB!

[chasb]

Glad you got it back Todd

Are you going to E TOWN?

[Paradog]

Not sure...too many things going on this weekend. If I do go it will only be till noon.

[Paradog]

TSB 09-010-06 CHRYSLER

Affected Vehicles
2004-2006 (CS) Pacifica
2005-2006 (LX) Chrysler 300 / Magnum/Charger

Note: This bulletin applies to CS models Built after February 1, 2004
equipped with a 3.5L engine sales code EGN.

Note: This bulletin applies to LX models equipped with a 3.5L engine (sales
code EGG) except 2006 vehicles equipped with California Emissions (sales
codes NAE) built on or before May 2, 2006 see Bulletin 18-016-06 for more
info.

Condition:
The customer may experience occasional engine misfire (rough running engine)
during certain vehicle operating conditions.

In addition, MIL illumination may also have occurred due to Diagnostic
Trouble Code (DTC) PO300 - Multiple Cylinder Misfire. Various single
cylinder misfire DTC's may also be present. If the frequency of misfire is
high, the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) may place the engine in "Limp-In"
mode.

The misfire condition may be caused by one or more engine exhaust valves
that are slow to close due to a build up of carbon on the valve stem.

Diagnosis:
1.) This condition may occur when the engine is not allowed to run at engine
RPM's that are greater than 3,500 RPM. At 5,000 RPM or higher the engine
exhaust valves will rotate if not impeded by high carbon deposits. Low
engine RPM's and high carbon deposits are associated with short trip driving
where the engine is not allowed to fully warm to normal engine operating
temperatures. Cold ambient temperatures will increase engine warm-up time
and increase the likelihood of carbon deposit build-up on the stem of the
engine exhaust valve. Fuel detergent quality may also contribute to the
condition; the customer may want to try a different brand of fuel.
2.) Verify that the engine misfire condition is not caused by faulty engine
mechanical or electrical components.
3.) If the engine mechanical and electrical systems are operating properly
perform the Repair Procedure.

Parts Required:
Qty. Part No. Description
1 05174566AA Premium Fuel System
Cleaning Kit
Kit contents
1-11oz. Premium
Fuel system Cleaner
1-11oz. Combustion
Chamber Cleaner
1-6oz. Premium air
intake Cleaner - DO NOT USE AEROSOL FOR THIS SERVICE ACTION
1 05183546AA Combustion Clean
24 53022277AA Lock, Valve Spring
Retainer
AR (1) 05033310AC Sensor, MAP (LX
Models)
AR (1) 04896003AB Sensor, MAP (CS
Models)


Special Tools Required

MD998772A Valve Spring Compressor
6527 Valve Spring Adapter
NPN Battery Charger
NPN Compression Tester Spark Plug
Adapter
WN-04010 Wynn's Enviropurge Fuel injector
cleaning apparatus and adaptors available through teamPSE

LX Vehicles
CH9401 StarSCAN Tool
CH9404 StarSCAN Vehicle Cable
CH9409 StarSCAN Documentation Kit

CS Vehicles
CH2002 General Purpose Interface Bus Cable
Assembly
CH6000A Scan Tool (DRBIII(r))
CH7000A/7001A J1962 Cable with red DRBIII(r) connector


Repair Procedure:

Valve Rotation:
1. Relieve the fuel pressure.
2. Remove upper intake manifold
3. Remove cylinder head cover(s)
4. Remove rocker arm and shaft assembly.
5. Clean and mark the tip of each exhaust valve stem at the 12 O'clock
position with a paint marker. The paint mark will be used later to assist
with determining the amount of valve rotation.
6. Remove the spark plugs
7. Rotate the crankshaft clockwise, until the number 1 piston is at Top
Dead Center (TDC) on the compression stroke.
8. Install the compression tester spark plug adapter in cylinder #1 spark
plug hole. With air hose attached to the spark plug adapter, apply 90 to
100 psi air pressure. This is to hold valves into place while servicing
components.
9. Using tool MD998772A(1) with adapter 6527 (4) or equivalent, slightly
compress the exhaust valve spring to release tension against the valve
spring retainer
10. Remove the valve spring retainer locks and discard the locks.

Note: It is important that the valve rotation section of this repair
procedure be performed.

Caution: Only grab the valve stem tip being careful not to case damage.

11. Using needle nose pliers grab the tip of the valve stem and rotate the
exhaust valve 90 degrees.
12. Install two new valve stem spring retainer lock, p/n 53022277AA
13. After installing locks, release tension on valve spring and verify
proper installation.
14. Remove special Tool MD 998772A and spark plug adapter tool.
15. Repeat Step #7 through Step #14 on the remaining 5 cylinders using the
firing order 1-2-3-4-5-6. Make sure the piston is at TDC in each cylinder
of the exhaust valve spring retainer lock that is being removed. When all
the exhaust valves have been rotated 90degrees and all the exhaust valve
spring retainer locks have been replaced, proceed to the next step.
16. Install rocker arm and shaft assembly.
17. Install cylinder head cover.
18. Install upper intake manifold

Map Sensor Inspection
1. Inspect the MAP sensor. There is an appearance difference between the
new and the old style. The new style LX model sensor has a flat side while
the old style has a rib support for the connector. If the MAP sensor is the
new style no further action is required and proceed to decarboning
combustion chamber. If it is the old style replace the sensor with p/n
0503331AC for LX or 04896003AB for CS Models. The CS model MAP sensor old
style has only one bolt hole for mounting and the new style has two.

DECARBONING COMBUSTION CHAMBER AND VALVES:

CAUTION: Do not use the Premium Air Intake Cleaner provided with kit
05174566AA for this service action.

NOTE: Use both fuel tank additives.

1. Pour the "Premium Fuel System Cleaner" from Kit p/n 05174566AA, and
"Combustion Clean" p/n 051835445AA, into a FULL fuel tank.
2. Start the vehicle engine and allow the engine to reach normal operating
temperature.
3. Disable the fuel pump by removing the fuel pump relay.
4. Disconnect the fuel supply line quick disconnect fitting from the fuel.
5. Install the appropriate adapter, either #31814 or #31815. Be sure to
engage the adapter completely (push until a "click" is noticed).
6. Pour the "Premium Combustion Chamber Cleaner" from kit p/n 05174566AA,
into the cleaning canister.
7. Suspend the fuel injector cleaning apparatus under the hood. The
regulator knob must be fully counter clockwise to the OFF position. Connect
the cleaning apparatus service hose to the supply adapter.
8. Turn the regulator knob clockwise to the recommended cleaning pressure
(58psi). Be sue there are no leaks before starting the engine.
9. Start the engine and run at normal idle, or fast idle, (1200-1500 RPM)
until the product has been used up and the engine stalls.
10. When the engine stalls, turn the ignition off.
11. Disconnect the cleaning apparatus and adapter.
12. Reconnect fuel line and the fuel pump relay.
13. Turn ignition key to the "ON" position to energize the fuel pump.
Check for leaks. Start the engine and run for at least 2 minutes to clear
the fuel system of any residual product.
14. Using the DRBIII(r) or the StarSCAN erase any DTC's

Road Test:
1. In a safe vehicle operating location that will allow the vehicle to be
driven safely and at the posted speed limit, accelerate the vehicle until
the engine reaches 4500 RPM.
2. Hold the engine speed at this RPM for 15 seconds.
3. Slow down an din a safe location pull to the side of the road. Allow
the engine to idle for five seconds.
4. Repeat steps 1 through 3 five more times.

[MooNDoGGie]

Wow all this crap if you don't just drive the 3.5 hard. I have never had this problem. PUSH the damn accelerator!