Which is the Stronger Rear Option?

**Tdola** · 03-01-2009, 06:24 PM

So, If money weren't a factor, what would you get:

1. 1000 hp Drive Shaft Shop Half shafts and a Quaife Limited Slip Differential (this is all on a pre 2009 rear with a 215mm carrier

OR

2. 2009 rear end which includes...226mm carrier with a Mopar Limited Slip differential and 09 axles

Which is stronger/more durable?

**Tdola** · 03-01-2009, 08:39 PM

Bump

**PowerWagon896** · 03-01-2009, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tdola

So, If money weren't a factor, what would you get:

1. 1000 hp Drive Shaft Shop Half shafts and a Quaife Limited Slip Differential (this is all on a pre 2009 rear with a 215mm carrier

OR

2. 2009 rear end which includes...226mm carrier with a Mopar Limited Slip differential and 09 axles

Which is stronger/more durable?

Option 3. BuilderBill 8.8 Ford set-up.

That is what I just opted for.

**1SRT8-2NV** · 03-01-2009, 08:42 PM

Well I am not the best to answer this but from what I have read I believe that the DSS is still the stronger option, I believe that the 09 stuff is definitely stronger than previous year models but it is not going to hold up to 1k hp levels that the DSS makes a claim of.

**Tdola** · 03-01-2009, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by PowerWagon896

Option 3. BuilderBill 8.8 Ford set-up.

That is what I just opted for.

How much? Does it bolt right in...somewhat???

**BuilderBill** · 03-01-2009, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Tdola

How much? Does it bolt right in...somewhat???

My 8.8 ASSEMBLY is a DIRECT bolt in.....like in your driveway!
Replace the rear driveshaft with mine, replace the hubs, and then replace the center chunk WITH axles...I used the original mounting and now have a Patent Pending on the entire assembly.

Currently, the 1st prototype is installed in Jason's (USCG Charger).
The 2nd unit is on it's way to the SpeedFactory Charger race car on Tuesday.
The 3rd and 4th units are going to BigAl & Cam next week.
The final unit is going to PowerWagon896.

Approximately, production units available April 1st.
Pretty trick looking unit AND will come with a 1 year warranty, just like all my High Torque Capacity driveline components.

Basically, the 8.8 is TONS stronger than the Mercedes unit and has so many gears available as well as so many limited slip options from clutch style, Detroit True Trac, E-locker, & spool!
Bill

**richierevs** · 03-01-2009, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by BuilderBill

My 8.8 ASSEMBLY is a DIRECT bolt in.....like in your driveway!
Replace the rear driveshaft with mine, replace the hubs, and then replace the center chunk WITH axles...I used the original mounting and now have a Patent Pending on the entire assembly.

Currently, the 1st prototype is installed in Jason's (USCG Charger).
The 2nd unit is on it's way to the SpeedFactory Charger race car on Tuesday.
The 3rd and 4th units are going to BigAl & Cam next week.
The final unit is going to PowerWagon896.

Approximately, production units available April 1st.
Pretty trick looking unit AND will come with a 1 year warranty, just like all my High Torque Capacity driveline components.

Basically, the 8.8 is TONS stronger than the Mercedes unit and has so many gears available as well as so many limited slip options from clutch style, Detroit True Trac, E-locker, & spool!
Bill

Agreed. BuilderBill's the strongest. I've got the DSS V1s and the Quaife. I still broke inner CV joints on the half axles.

**USCG Charger** · 03-01-2009, 10:30 PM

I love my Paramount 8.8 rear with the 3.23 gears... It seriously looks like it was made by chrysler..

**HEMI~C~** · 03-01-2009, 10:31 PM

What sort of prices are we looking at for complete bolt in kits associated with option # 2 and # 3 ?

Chris

**Tdola** · 03-01-2009, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by BuilderBill

My 8.8 ASSEMBLY is a DIRECT bolt in.....like in your driveway!
Replace the rear driveshaft with mine, replace the hubs, and then replace the center chunk WITH axles...I used the original mounting and now have a Patent Pending on the entire assembly.

Currently, the 1st prototype is installed in Jason's (USCG Charger).
The 2nd unit is on it's way to the SpeedFactory Charger race car on Tuesday.
The 3rd and 4th units are going to BigAl & Cam next week.
The final unit is going to PowerWagon896.

Approximately, production units available April 1st.
Pretty trick looking unit AND will come with a 1 year warranty, just like all my High Torque Capacity driveline components.

Basically, the 8.8 is TONS stronger than the Mercedes unit and has so many gears available as well as so many limited slip options from clutch style, Detroit True Trac, E-locker, & spool!
Bill

How much for a direct bolt in with hubs, axles, rear drive shaft, 3.23 gears, LSD and anything else needed for the installation? Thanks. Also, to offset the cost, how much do you estimate my 06 SRT rear is worth. It has approximately 4200 miles on it.

**BuilderBill** · 03-01-2009, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tdola

How much for a direct bolt in with hubs, axles, rear drive shaft, 3.23 gears, LSD and anything else needed for the installation? Thanks. Also, to offset the cost, how much do you estimate my 06 SRT rear is worth. it has approximately 4200 miles on it.

Thats the beauty of it .....sell all the original stuff as PowerWagon896 has done.

Also, an easy install in your driveway.....not a trip to the dealer.
My Jeep front and rear diffs are pretty Damn easy to install.

Haa....try to install a Quaife in your driveway with regular tools.....AIN'T going to happen!

Final cost to be determined in the next 10 days.....dependent on the test guys if they can break an axle.
Ok....I have a stronger axle already produced....I REALLY don't think the SpeedFactory (or anyone else) will break one of my standard axles even with their TRUE slicks, spool and 9 second capabilities.

Lets see what happens in the short term....I promise I have designed this so you can't break it AND to be cost effective.
I used the stock '09 6 speed hubs BTW as a cost reduction.

I had the Chrysler '09 axles cut apart to determine the material and heat treatment....found mid grade mild steel that was heat treated to about 1/8" thickness. Not quite what I was looking for with all the power put to these axles!
Bill

**USCG Charger** · 03-01-2009, 11:16 PM

The Paramount rear I have in my car works like it's practicly stock: I went from a 2.82 gear (stock 5.7) to my tru track, 3.23 gears and only gained about 300 RPMS when driving down the HWY @ 70 MPH. Here's a nice little pic I took of it.

**PowerWagon896** · 03-01-2009, 11:17 PM

Bill & I had lengthly discussions via both PM & phone before I made the decision to purchase his product..

These units, including the axles are derived from OEM parts & will have replacement parts reaaily available for the forseeable future.

In a worst case scenario the axles can be rebuilt by a competant shop familiar W/fabricating CV joint axles using readily available components..

The outer ends of the axles fit OEM "09" LX hubs & the 8.8 Ford center section has tremendous support through OEM as well as aftermarket parts suppliers.

Anyone that knows me can attest to the fact that I am a "tighta$$".

Even though I am willing to spend lot's of $$$$ in the quest for performance, I demand drivabilty foremost W/an emphasis on maintainability. I also want the most "bang for my buck".

I think these units will fulfill all my requiremants.

'nuf said?

**Tdola** · 03-01-2009, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by PowerWagon896

Bill & I had lengthly discussions via both PM & phone before I made the decision to purchase his product..

These units, including the axles are derived from OEM parts & will have replacement parts reaaily available for the forseeable future.

In a worst case scenario the axles can be rebuilt by a competant shop familiar W/fabricating CV joint axles using readily available components..

The outer ends of the axles fit OEM "09" LX hubs & the 8.8 Ford center section has tremendous support through OEM as well as aftermarket parts suppliers.

Anyone that knows me can attest to the fact that I am a "tighta$$".

Even though I am willing to spend lot's of $$$$ in the quest for performance, I demand drivabilty foremost W/an emphasis on maintainability. I also want the most "bang for my buck".

I think these units will fulfill all my requiremants.

'nuf said?

I feel exactly the same way.....I am an -ability guy too. Driveablity, Durability, Maintainability, and first and foremost AFFORDABILITY!