Pedders XA coil overs

[Pale Rider]

Does anyone reading this have, or know someone who has, the coilovers from Pedders? I'm considering them, and would like to hear from an owner who has them.

[Centurion]

I have them on order, as does another person in the San Fran bay area. There is a post somewhere with a synopsis of a Magnum testing a prototype version...

[Centurion]

Found it! Pedders Xa Suspension - First Impressions

[Pale Rider]

Thanks so much!

[CircuitMotorsports]

What are they charging for them now?

I am intimately familiar with their setups.

[Meathammer]

Found it! Pedders Xa Suspension - First Impressions

Yup, that's me. Still have them on the car and I still love them. However my car has developed a few new klunks that I'm trying to track down. I can't say that it's related to the Xa's at all. I just don't know. I can't imagine it would, but it may be as simple as a loose bolt. I just haven't had the time to get under the car to check it out. I haven't posted up any good recent pics of the car with my summer wheels and tires, but I'm hoping to get some either this weekend or next (car show each weekend). I cannot say how they compare to any other product on the LX platform, but I've had JIC Magic coil-overs on a previous car and the ride was just complete trash. It was so harsh that I hated driving the car. The Xa's are very civil and yet the handling of the car is far superior to what it was when it was stock. I've also had the rear cradle bushings installed since I've had the second gen prototype Xa's installed so the handling is even better. She tracks nicely through the twisties. Also as far as I know, the pre-production Xa's on my car now as what they went to production with.

If you're on the fence, I say go for it!

[DMS Motorsport]

What are they charging for them now?

I am intimately familiar with their setups.

$1399 is what we are charging currently. Pedders tested them on a SRT8 in Au, and then we did our own evaluations on a red Magnum, and we put them on a sherrifs police interceptor charger. We know they work well. What we have not done is to check out the system on the track. Finding a LX that is track worthy, and convenient when we need to do it, is harder on a LX than our other platforms. With that said, we are working on a deal for DrReed, who is a seriously accomplished road racer that already has our TrackII on his ride.

Now there is a an eXtreme Xa TrackII setup that is on a SERIOUSLY modified Challenger that has a wide body, a 440 custom built Arrington Engine with a blower on it, that I think will be running 12 inch wheel all around, that is being prepped for the BULL RUN. It is set up for sustained speeds of 180mph+. We will very soon be doing some on some moderately outfitted Challengers with one of our dealers that we will be able to "play" to get data.

Right now we have been focused on the new Camaro, and we spent a couple of days testing on a track, making adjustments, evaluations, changes, etc. The Camaro will be a tracked vehicle every bit as much, if not more, than the Mustang. So we are looking seriously sweet with her.

the challenges with the LX communities is that the majority of the communities are not interested in handling per say, but more in looks. BUT there is a percentage of guys who are serious about the LXs and are fed up with the poor handling she has, not to mention the major tire wear problems and failing bushings they are experiencing.

So we have a tone of Xas pre-sold. So in a couple of months you will be seeing a bunch of posts about them.

thanks
mike
dms

[CircuitMotorsports]

I gotcha, I was curious to know what the price was for those now.

Not to ruffle any feathers or start a war but here is some info for the LX owners that I think is pertinent and important;

The BCR (BC Racing) coilovers that are available (we carry them currently) are basically an uprated or "Gen 2" design of the Pedders coilovers. Why?

Pedders coilovers are the same basic design as the Megan style coilovers that are so popular in the import scene. Pedders simply has a contract with BC headquarters and has them labeled as a Pedders coilover with special colors and sells them here in the states as a Pedders Xa setup. Nothing wrong with that at all, not ragging on them a bit, but..

The BCR coilovers are produced by the same BC factory however they are a more advanced design. Same basic features, they look very similar, if you compare the two but the differences are there. The internals and shock body is bigger and beefier, the lower locking ring is a concave design, meaning it bites into the lower mount so the ring can't work itself loose, as compared to the flat ring design on the Xa. The threads on the actual shock body are more coarse, so when you adjust the rings you can adjust them a lot faster and they wont be damaged as easily.


Overall the BCR coilovers are just a bit nicer piece, for LESS money. The larger shock bodies means more room for the internals and a stiffer cartirdge, which means it will hold up to much more abuse. Bigger internals means more surface area for the shim stacks and valves, which leads to a smoother ride and better tuning of damping.


We also alllow you to choose custom spring rates for your setup. So you can customize it for smooth as silk street driving or super agressive rates for track and competition. We have a lot of experience with suspesions so we can help out with suggestions as well.

So how much do we charge for all this? $999


Again, no hard feelings towards anyone, and this is in no way a bashing, just an informative thread with info that I think people would like to know.

[DMS Motorsport]

I gotcha, I was curious to know what the price was for those now.

Not to ruffle any feathers or start a war but here is some info for the LX owners that I think is pertinent and important;

The BCR (BC Racing) coilovers that are available (we carry them currently) are basically an uprated or "Gen 2" design of the Pedders coilovers. Why?

Pedders coilovers are the same basic design as the Megan style coilovers that are so popular in the import scene. Pedders simply has a contract with BC headquarters and has them labeled as a Pedders coilover with special colors and sells them here in the states as a Pedders Xa setup. Nothing wrong with that at all, not ragging on them a bit, but..

The BCR coilovers are produced by the same BC factory however they are a more advanced design. Same basic features, they look very similar, if you compare the two but the differences are there. The internals and shock body is bigger and beefier, the lower locking ring is a concave design, meaning it bites into the lower mount so the ring can't work itself loose, as compared to the flat ring design on the Xa. The threads on the actual shock body are more coarse, so when you adjust the rings you can adjust them a lot faster and they wont be damaged as easily.


Overall the BCR coilovers are just a bit nicer piece, for LESS money. The larger shock bodies means more room for the internals and a stiffer cartirdge, which means it will hold up to much more abuse. Bigger internals means more surface area for the shim stacks and valves, which leads to a smoother ride and better tuning of damping.


We also alllow you to choose custom spring rates for your setup. So you can customize it for smooth as silk street driving or super agressive rates for track and competition. We have a lot of experience with suspesions so we can help out with suggestions as well.

So how much do we charge for all this? $999


Again, no hard feelings towards anyone, and this is in no way a bashing, just an informative thread with info that I think people would like to know.

I would suggest that someone contact BCR and ask about Pedders and post their response to you.

With that said, there is a problem. ALL Monotube dampers made by everyone in the world are a 46mm (think it is this size) damper. We have not found any exception to this. I can be corrected it you find one for me. But the BC dampers are the 46(?)mm design or same as everyone else.

Pedders engineering does their own design, valving, etc. Even our first attempt was great, but not great enough! We made 2 more mods to the dampers and coil rates for emergency response vehicles and and the performance LX package, so things meet our standards.


I have been on teh bc sitye, just like I have been on most other competitors, If I remember correctly, there is only 1 year warranty on their product and they do not allow warranty coverage with racing.

thanks
mike
dms
mike
dms

[CircuitMotorsports]

Hmmm not true, there are many coilover manufacturers out there using various size internal pistons and out shock bodies. Various size internals are used for different applications; Street, Racing, Off-Road etc.

If anyone wants to Call BCR and ask them about any of the info I have posted please feel free.

BCR - 321-206-6381


As far as engineering and design, I won't speak on behalf of your other products but the Xa is what it is, a coilover produced by the BC factory. Any spring rate changes or valving is done there. The same exact things they do to any other coilovers they produce including the BCR line.

When we do a custom kit for a customer with different spring rates they are valved accordingly for maximum performance.

BTW - BCR has never had any problem with people racing on their coilovers in relation to a warranty, that's what they're made for

[JusticePete]

Hmmm not true, there are many coilover manufacturers out there using various size internal pistons and out shock bodies. Various size internals are used for different applications; Street, Racing, Off-Road etc.

If anyone wants to Call BCR and ask them about any of the info I have posted please feel free.

BCR - 321-206-6381


As far as engineering and design, I won't speak on behalf of your other products but the Xa is what it is, a coilover produced by the BC factory. Any spring rate changes or valving is done there. The same exact things they do to any other coilovers they produce including the BCR line.

When we do a custom kit for a customer with different spring rates they are valved accordingly for maximum performance.

BTW - BCR has never had any problem with people racing on their coilovers in relation to a warranty, that's what they're made for

You have called BC in Tawain and they told you specifically they make Pedders coilovers?

[JusticePete]

I am very familiar with the BC range as well as a number of other fine companies that produce coilovers around the world. You will find that there are differences in substance between Pedders and most everyone else in the market. First and foremost is our standard for quality. Pedders is the ONLY company that has no exclusion for racing on our range of products and offers a two year warranty. As long as your vehicle is street legal we don't care how often you take it to the track. You have a warranty for two years. It is only because our quality control is so tight that we can offer such a liberal warranty. Our drive for quality extends to performance. You will note that Pedders coil rates are lower than other coilover manufactures. Now that we have released our lower rate coils I fully expect others to copy our design specifications. Pedders has designed a damper map that is so broad it has the feel of altering the coil rate by roughly 200 pounds. You can run on full soft with our lower rate coils and get a ride that is almost OEM comfortable, but with superior control. You can crank it up to full hard and the vehicle is ready for R compound tires and the track. Both are accomplished with the same set of coils. You see once you are bound to a high coil rate, it is almost impossible to change the vehicle suspension dynamic. It is hard to make a hard coil feel soft. There is no magic in running rock hard coils to improve handling on a smooth track. There is magic in lower coil rates and such a broad damper map that you can achieve both ride comfort and control -- even on rough surfaces.

That aside, we are not simply a manufacture of coilovers, we manufacture a complete suspension system. There is no other company that supplies the LX owner a complete solution. Other sell bit and pieces of a suspension, Pedders sells a complete LX solution starting with foundational bushes like the EP2113 bumpsteer correction kit and the EP1172 sub-frame bushes. ANY brand of coilover cannot perform to the expected level if the bumpsteer is excessive and the rear end suffers from step out. Pedders knows the LX inside and out because we live with the complete vehicle suspension. When you shop for aftermarket bits for your LX keep this in mind. DRIVE BEFORE YOU BUY. Pedders always encourages our client to get in a Pedderised LX and experience first hand what they will be buying. Take a test drive in a GSR Pedderised LX and you will know how your Xa coilovers will feel set in the soft range. I am sorry that we do not have more Xa units in the field to allow you to get that initial drive before you buy. That is exactly why we are making the July Maintenance and Xa offers. We want more systems on the road to make arranging a test drive easier.

Introducing the Pedders eXtreme Xa Coilover Touring Plus Parts and Installation Special $1,699.99

Pedders Xa coilovers are 46mm high pressure nitrogen units with 30 position damping. They install with an OEM like fit. Take off the OEM parts and bolt in the new Pedders bit. The fit is perfect. The performance is off the charts. While many coilover units are equipped with very high rate coils, Pedders has found a way to dial in the coil rates with the damping rate to provide the incredible control you would expect from coilovers with a ride so civil you will think it came from the factory. The damper map is exceptionally broad. On full soft, the ride is almost OEM with more control. Dial it up 15 clicks and you are in BMW m series range for both ride and control. Take it up another 15 clicks and your LX is track and R compound tire ready. We spent many months tuning and tweaking the Xa range for the Chrysler LX chassis. We are convinced it shows. Not only will your local Pedders Dealer install the Xa coilovers, EP1172 Sub-Frame Bushes, EP6567 Radius Rod Bushes and Pedders Bumpsteer Correction Kit for ONLY $2,599.99 they will align it too!!!

Requires 25% NONREFUNDABLE DEPOSIT with Xa Delivery in 8 Weeks or less.

I personally did the final driving and development on this system. The coil spec of 10Kg front and 12Kg is well below the spec that BC runs. The coil rate were too high and the damping map too low. KW allows you to alter only the low speed circuit and run high coil rates and so on. We take the approach that a very broad damper map, a huge range in soft to hard damping with a lower coil rate is the way to go. It gives the owner / driver a huge range with which to setup his vehicle for daily driver comfort, for the track or for specific track environments -- all without changing coils. I know because of the research we did on the LX coilover range in the market place. I also know the weaknesses in fitment in the other brands on the market. That is a luxury we had coming into the LX coilover market -- there were several quality products already in place that we could benchmark. In the Camaro market, it has been very different. I personally took the Camaro Xa coilover range from a clean sheet of paper to a finished product. We are the first there and will have every other brand learning from what we have done and trying to do better. That is just life in a competitive business environment. I also want to be clear, that when I say personally I do not me by my self. We have an incredible TEAM of people at Pedders in AU and were it not for them I could not do what I do over here, but I digress.

The Pedders eXtreme Xa Coilover Touring Plus Parts and Installation Special $1,699.99 is coilovers, bumpsteer correction, sub-frame bushes and radius rod bushes. This addresses the foundational weaknesses of the vehicle in a complete system installed. The sub-frame bushes are guaranteed as long as you own the vehicle. There is no racing exclusion on any of the parts, the warranty is for two years and it covers labor. You cannot buy a better solution for your LX at any price.

[CircuitMotorsports]

Yes actually I have spoken with one of the BC reps at the factory in Taiwan, I have spoken to him on numerous occasions concerning BCR products and other items. He's a nice guy. I won't put his name here out of courtesy for him and his career.

Trust me fellas, I know exactly what I am talking about, I deal with BCR suspensions on a daily basis and I know all the of BC guys here, and a few of the BC guys overseas very well.

[JusticePete]

Yup, that's me. Still have them on the car and I still love them. However my car has developed a few new klunks that I'm trying to track down. I can't say that it's related to the Xa's at all. I just don't know. I can't imagine it would, but it may be as simple as a loose bolt. I just haven't had the time to get under the car to check it out. I haven't posted up any good recent pics of the car with my summer wheels and tires, but I'm hoping to get some either this weekend or next (car show each weekend). I cannot say how they compare to any other product on the LX platform, but I've had JIC Magic coil-overs on a previous car and the ride was just complete trash. It was so harsh that I hated driving the car. The Xa's are very civil and yet the handling of the car is far superior to what it was when it was stock. I've also had the rear cradle bushings installed since I've had the second gen prototype Xa's installed so the handling is even better. She tracks nicely through the twisties. Also as far as I know, the pre-production Xa's on my car now as what they went to production with.

If you're on the fence, I say go for it!

Just bring her in and we'll sort out the noise. Thanks for the props.

[CircuitMotorsports]

Ok just read your sales pitch there.

What exactly do you mean by lower rate coils?

A softer spring rate?


BTW- There is NO WAY you could ever run a soft spring rate for comfortable street driving AND have it be stiff enough for a 4,000 pound car to run real R comp slicks well on a race track. I dont care what your damping range is.

I personally helped test out spring rates on one of the first Challenger SRT8's with BCR coilovers, and let me tell you. It's all personal preference. I think that the Challenger with an OTS setup is too soft, I would want it to be stiffer. But it works well on the street and when you crank it up it works well on the track too.

Some might want it soft for cruising, and some want it to be real stiff for track driving. It's all down to personal preferecne. Which is why we sell the BCR coilvoers with a choice of OTS rates or custom rates, with revalving, at no additional cost.

It doesn't matter what your damping range is, you need the spring rates to match what you need. Otherwise your dampers are doing all the work and they will fail prematurely.