Lowering options

[OLJustice]

Right now the Chally SRT suspension I have on my car is way too soft. It's noticeably softer than Charger SRT suspension that I had on before.. and even that wasn't too much better. My car bobs from side-to-side way too easily (I can make it rock it just be moving my leg from side to side while sitting in the car). I have decided to lower it to get rid of these issues. I really couldn't care less about the looks. Its purely to get rid of the constant Bobbing and bouncing I feel with my current setup.

Money is tight... real tight. 1200-1600 for coilovers might as well be a million dollars for me right now. Everyone always touts coilovers as the be-all-end-all as far as suspensions goes, so my question is this: To alleviate the problems mentioned above, will a much less expensive Eibach Prokit (struts/springs) accomplish my goals or are coilovers really that much better for just lowering the center of gravity of the car and getting rid of all the bobbing?

Btw, Although ride comfort isn't too high of a priority, I would like a somewhat civilized ride for when the daughter or girlfriend is in the car.
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[OLJustice]

18 views & no opinions?

[Shane B]

to just get rid of some of the body roll you could do springs struts and sways which would be alot less than coilovers and definetly get rid of the body roll.Ive got Eibach pro kit springs with the stock struts and shocks, and the Eibach sways and I have almost no body roll. And thats with the stock struts still.And with 18 inch stock wheels.I would imagine with some 20's it would be even better.Tirerack sells the a kit from Eibach thats got the springs,struts and sways for about $800.The first coilover setup they list from Eibach is $1300. Or you can do it in stages like Im doing. Im just wating on my stock struts to go out then I will get the Eibach struts.

[scoot13]

You could definitly go with just the springs right now, I ran the eibach sportlines for over a year. But that is a 2" drop that might be too much. The prokit is a great progressive spring and a little less drop. Your stock struts and shocks will wear out quicker with aftermarket springs on the car but when they do you can get those at a later time...one option.

[OLJustice]

great points guys. just how long does it usually take for the stock struts to wear out and how do you know when they do? do they start leaking? Also, what are your opinions and driving impressions with the springs? got rid of the side to side bobbing? brutal on bumps?

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[Shane B]

My springs have been on the car for 30,000 miles and I havent seen any abnormal signs of wear yet, I will probably change them at 50k. Yes the springs and sways definetly got rid of the side to side bobbing that your talking about, I call it body roll.Depending on how many miles you have on your car, you might want to just go a head and do the struts and springs together.I do notice that when I have people in the back the car does bottom out on larger bumps but Ive yet to get any complaints from passengers yet.The ride is definetly stiffer than stock but not objectionable to me, or the wife and she's the one that drives it everyday.

[CircuitMotorsports]

Bodyroll can be quelled by adding think swaybars, and it won't affect straightline ride quality too much.

The Eibach pro-kits will stiffen the ride up and be a plus for handling, but it won't be too dramatic. So it will be a bit stiffer, but ride quality wont suffer.

[Rob@WretchedMS]

Right now the Chally SRT suspension I have on my car is way too soft. It's noticeably softer than Charger SRT suspension that I had on before.. and even that wasn't too much better. My car bobs from side-to-side way too easily (I can make it rock it just be moving my leg from side to side while sitting in the car). I have decided to lower it to get rid of these issues. I really couldn't care less about the looks. Its purely to get rid of the constant Bobbing and bouncing I feel with my current setup.

Money is tight... real tight. 1200-1600 for coilovers might as well be a million dollars for me right now. Everyone always touts coilovers as the be-all-end-all as far as suspensions goes, so my question is this: To alleviate the problems mentioned above, will a much less expensive Eibach Prokit (struts/springs) accomplish my goals or are coilovers really that much better for just lowering the center of gravity of the car and getting rid of all the bobbing?

Btw, Although ride comfort isn't too high of a priority, I would like a somewhat civilized ride for when the daughter or girlfriend is in the car.
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i'd still be happy to take you for a ride in a fully Pedderized Charger, it will give you an idea of just what a complete suspension will do, even if you do it in steps, you can have an amazing ride, with drive-ability at the same time.

Keep in mind when you lower the car you make the bump steer worse, so you will want to do something along the lines of our touring kit that contains the shocks, springs, and bump steer kit all in one package.

[OLJustice]

Bodyroll can be quelled by adding think swaybars, and it won't affect straightline ride quality too much.

The Eibach pro-kits will stiffen the ride up and be a plus for handling, but it won't be too dramatic. So it will be a bit stiffer, but ride quality wont suffer.

I am aware of the benefits of sways... although I'm not 100% certain if 'body roll' is the best way to describe what I am experiencing. I've always considered 'body roll' to be the leaning that occurs when you go into a corner and your pushed to one side of the seat. I always thought that swaybars helped with that aspect of it... cornering and such. I guess its kind of a side-to-side bounce that I'm getting when going over uneven bumps or dips. This bouncing obviously doesn't occur when both tires go into the bump or dip (like a speedbump). But if only one wheel encounters the bump, I get that side-to-side bouncing. That is, I get tossed from side to side.

Btw... the gold ol' push-down-test shows shocks to be fine (they have less than 10k on 'em)

i'd still be happy to take you for a ride in a fully Pedderized Charger, it will give you an idea of just what a complete suspension will do, even if you do it in steps, you can have an amazing ride, with drive-ability at the same time.

Keep in mind when you lower the car you make the bump steer worse, so you will want to do something along the lines of our touring kit that contains the shocks, springs, and bump steer kit all in one package.

How much is this Touring Kit and what the avg price of install?

[Rob@WretchedMS]

I am aware of the benefits of sways... although I'm not 100% certain if 'body roll' is the best way to describe what I am experiencing. I've always considered 'body roll' to be the leaning that occurs when you go into a corner and your pushed to one side of the seat. I always thought that swaybars helped with that aspect of it... cornering and such. I guess its kind of a side-to-side bounce that I'm getting when going over uneven bumps or dips. This bouncing obviously doesn't occur when both tires go into the bump or dip (like a speedbump). But if only one wheel encounters the bump, I get that side-to-side bouncing.

Btw... the gold ol' push-down-test shows shocks to be fine (they have less than 10k on 'em)



How much is this Touring Kit and what the avg price of install?

touring kit is 699.99, give me a call tomorrow at the shop and we can figure something out on the install. 413-568-8981

[CircuitMotorsports]

The side-to-side rock you're getting is either the soft suspension or your soft bushgins, or both.

A set of springs/dampers, coilovers, and/or bushings would tighten it all up.

[OLJustice]

The side-to-side rock you're getting is either the soft suspension or your soft bushgins, or both.

A set of springs/dampers, coilovers, and/or bushings would tighten it all up.

Thats the answer I was looking for. So you think its just something as simple as having too soft suspension? Btw, I doubt it's the other things you mentioned. I just replaced everything under my car w/either new or extremely low mileage (off of an 08 SRT) parts so all arms/bushings are new or practically new. What did I replace you ask?

• Entire rear cradle including every arm & bushing in the rear was replaced w/a rear clip off an 08 SRT with extremely low mileage. So the ass-end is practically new.
• Tension struts are brand new from the dealer. Put in less than a month ago
• Steering rack/pump cam off of an 08 Chally SRT with extremely low miles put in the same time as the tension struts
• Knuckles are less than a year old off of an 07 SRT
• UCAs are brand new SPC adjustables put in less than a month ago.

In fact, the only part that hasn't been replaced is the front LCAs. Those are bad (the bushings) & will be getting replaced when I get my engine swapped on Saturday. Do you think bad LCAs can cause this?

I think it may be what you say though... my suspension simply being too soft. I don't think its sways b/c they only come into play when turning (right?) and this side-to-side bobbing (which results in temporary reduced control of the car) happens whether turning or going straight. I thought SRT suspension was supposed to be stiffer but maybe my expectations are unrealistic; To me the SRT suspension is (side-to-side) bouncy on large bumps/dips and jarring on small ones. Btw, I keep specifying 'side-to-side' when I say 'bouncy' b/c I don't want those reading to confuse this with the 'bounciness' of bad shocks. This is not that.

Still, I don't think I have the dough for coilovers and probably won't for a while. I am considering Eibach Pro-Kit w/dampers & springs or Pedders GSRs. Eibach's are a bit cheaper though and with the way finances are I am leaning more in that direction.

I'll still keep this thread going however to get more opinions before I pull the trigger.

[fireman2118]

I've got the Eibach Sportline kit with the pro dampers and the front and rear sways. I threw in a Razors edge strut tower brace and Razors edge end links. My car has "0"
side lean, dip, floatly, bouncy, craptastic type of handling. It truly rides like it's on friggin' rails.

[OLJustice]

I've got the Eibach Sportline kit with the pro dampers and the front and rear sways. I threw in a Razors edge strut tower brace and Razors edge end links. My car has "0"
side lean, dip, floatly, bouncy, craptastic type of handling. It truly rides like it's on friggin' rails.

"Sportline" kit? Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Eibach only makes 1 set of dampers (Prokit dampers) but 2 types of springs (Prokit and Sportlines) right? If not, I wasn't aware that there was more than 1 damper choice.

The sportline springs are the lower/stiffer ones right. Those are out of the question since my GRIP fascia is already scraping the ground as it is.

[fireman2118]

"Sportline" kit? Please correct me if I'm wrong.... Eibach only makes 1 set of dampers (Prokit dampers) but 2 types of springs (Prokit and Sportlines) right? If not, I wasn't aware that there was more than 1 damper choice.

The sportline springs are the lower/stiffer ones right. Those are out of the question since my GRIP fascia is already scraping the ground as it is.

Correct....They make 2 lowering kits. (Sportline 2" and pro kit 1"-1.5") They only make one set of Dampers because that's all that's needed. The "pro dampers" can be use with ANY lowering spring. "pro dampers" is just a name not a requirement or limitation. They can be used with any brand or height of spring as well as with air bags, etc.