3.5 Supercharger--thomas Knight

[ATSTURBO]

I Received The Kit Back From 'the Saint' Ordered Through Mopar Supercenter , And I Must Say I Was Totally Surprised. I Was Sure I Was Slipping And Had Somehow Let Some Awful Product Leave My Shop According To The Posts And Pics. But When The Kit Arrived, I Opened The Box Expecting All Sorts Of Horrible Deep Gauges And Scratches To Cover All The Pipes--at Least That Is What The Impression That Thread Gave. But Guess What? The Gauges Are Tooling Marks That All Mandrel-bent Pipes Will Display Unless Completely Polished Out. Had The Photos Shown The Pipe In It's Full Rotation, You Would Have Seen That The Gauges--actually, Eight Tooling Marks .020" Deep By 5/16" Long Were Spaced Exactly At 90 Degree Intervals. The Photos On The Aformentioned Thread Also Show A 'transparancy' Of The Paint. Well I Assure You Of One Thing--99% Of You Would Have Shaken Your Head And Said What The Heck Is This Guy Talking About? It Took Me 10 Minutes In The Bright Light To Find The Spot Where The Paint Showed Through In The Photos. I Thought Maybe He Had Painted The Pipes And Then Sent Them Back. If You Held The Pipe Just Right You Could See A Shadow Of Aluminum Through The Black Paint--like Looking At Basecoat/clearcoat Paint.
So--how Am I To Show Mopar Supercenter That Everything Was Not The Catastrophy Shown On The Thread? Well, I Have Already Shipped Them Another Kit To Inspect Before It Goes Out, To Photograph For Their Catalog, And Will Ship Them These Pipes As-is For Their Opinion. I Expect Mopar Supercenter To Give A Clear And Concise Opinion Of The Product In A Few Days. Keep Your Eyes Open For Moparsupercenter's Critique Of The Kit As Well As The Pipes In The Pics.
Please Keep In Mind That There Are Those Who Considered The Mona Lisa To Be A Horrible Painting--beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder.
Thomas Knight

[STAGE 3 R/T]

Great Typing! It Took Me a Few Times To Read What You Posted.

[Redfox0099]

I still haven't been able to read it.... if you were trying to sell something here you ain't impressing us.

[STAGE 3 R/T]

I still haven't been able to read it.... if you were trying to sell something here you ain't impressing us.

that and not a supporting vendor!

[boggart]

I looked at the pictures in the other thread. I couldn't see anything wrong with them there. Oh well, live and learn I guess.

[bmartin9122]

jUST bE hAPPY hE dIDN'T tYPE lIKE tHIS.

[bmartin9122]

He should have signed it - Thomas "Caps Aplenty" Knight. ;)

[STAGE 3 R/T]

jUST bE hAPPY hE dIDN'T tYPE lIKE tHIS.

yEAH tHAT iS nO jOKE! i wOULD gO fREAKING cRAZY iF hE dID tHAT!

[magnum4sissies]

Wow, everyone loves to hate.

Internet is such a violent place.

[STAGE 3 R/T]

Wow, everyone loves to hate.

Internet is such a violent place.

:spock: says its all in love. :)

[mfkbmagnum]

I am still trying to figure out where and how the gauges are mounted on the pipes. Why would you even put a gauge on the pipe? All those gauges must monitor a bunch of stuff like pressure, temperature, velocity, stinky air and what-not. I would want my gauges mounted inside where I can see them.

[bmartin9122]

Wow, everyone loves to hate.

Internet is such a violent place.

No hate - just friendly ribbing. :friday:

[Ted@AllUSA]

Please, let us all put away the friendly ribbing, or un-friendly if it may be.

It does not matter why our customer decided to send the kit back. Our policy is that we are going to take care of our customers, even if they just changed their mind and do not want the product anymore. Our customer was also correct, first impression of the product is extremely important, and apparently this did not meet his expectations. It does not matter, if the customer is not happy with it, then we will do what we can to make it right.

Now I do think that this all could have been handled more professionally by all parties.

Had the customer dealt directly with us regarding the problems he had found rather than publicly posting them as we were trying to rectify the complaint. We would have taken care of the customer as quickly as possible as we always do. Now do not take me wrong here, I strongly believe that the customer should post his review of the product, positive or negative. I think that we should have been given the opportunity to have rectified the problem before hand, this way the review could have included the results.

I do not appreciate the manufacturer jumping into said discussion, this was our customer, and we will take care of the situation properly. I do appreciate the fact that the manufacturer was willing to help us take care of our customer. Even more so, that they were willing to take back the product. This all should have been handled between the manufacturer and Mopar Supercenter behind the scenes, not on a public forum.

Now starting a new thread regarding the returned product is absolutely absurd! This is like calling someone out on the forum, it fires up the members of the forum to publicly defend the said member and make the thread starter look bad. The manufacturer should have relied on the distributor to handle the public image in an appropriate manner.

In Defense:

The customer had every right to post the information and his opinion based on what they received. This is what forums are all about, informing, helping, and communicating to others who share a direct interest.

The manufacturer needs to know if there is a breakdown in the manufacturing processes to deliver a quality product. They should rely on their distributors and forums such as this to communicate this information back to them. This will give them a better understanding of what the end user expects and how well their product performs.

The distributor should have had the opportunity to handle this without stepping down to this level. We believe that the ATS Turbo kit is a quality product, and we will be reviewing a kit in the very near future. We will make a post in our section discussing the kit and its quality in great detail. This is one of the most affordable kits on the market for the V6 cars, and we will present it as it really is.

If the quality is not there, then we will not carry the product.
If the service is not there, then we will not carry the product.

Enough said!

Ted

[bmartin9122]

Good post Ted. MPSC has always been a top shelf vendor in my book.

I was only commenting on the incessant capilization, which made his post difficult, if not impossible to read. Actually, I am still not completely certain what the complaint really was.

In any case, I know you guys will make it right as always.

[ToddStone]

I still haven't been able to read it.... if you were trying to sell something here you ain't impressing us.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. He's explaining something that happened in another thread.:doh:

Mr. Knight, I honestly didn't see the issues that he was talking about either. I'm still looking forward to buying the S/C in the future. I don't go off of one person and their negative feedback. I've seen positive feedback from other people who have put the charger in.

Thank you for your time and dedication to our cars. :beerchug:

Todd

[the_saint]

I knew this thread was going to come, because the manufacture took my thread very personal. If Mr. Knight believes that there was nothing wrong with the kit he sent me then so be it. Not sure why the pictures I posted keep coming up in discussions; when I clearly stated that the problems I had with this kit could not be properly seen in those pics because of the flash.

I know there was dirt and filings in those pipes because I physically removed it; the pipes were also poorly painted, I did not imagine those things. I do not know why the maker of this kit would create a thread stating, that what I was complaining about were minor things. Why would I lie about the quality of the kit? I have nothing to gain from lying. I don't know the maker of this kit, I have no axe to grind. why would I lie?

first his partner accuses me of buying a cheap kit then complaining about it, now you tell everyone my complaints were minor. You are a true business man. oh well, whatever. Now after you have painted you kit nicely you are sending it out to mpsc for inspection. if it passes the test will that mean i was lying.:roll:


Let me also state I have no problem/ issue with moparsupercenter. They did their best to correct this issue and even refunded me my money no question asked. I'll still purchase parts from them and they have been very professional about this; wish I could say the same about knight and company.

[ToddStone]

I don't think that you're lying Saint. I believe what you say, but like he said, and not in so many words, you can't always please everybody. I didn't see what was wrong, but then again, I was looking at pictures and didn't see the real thing.

Personally, I would written them and asked for a replacement part and start over. I'm picky too, I'll just fix it if I have to.

[Bruce Bruce]

I purchased the kit from straight up streets, and had it installed by big charger. If you are looking to go faster its a great buy, Thomas Knight helped me out with evrey question I needed step by step, also when I needed work done at the dealership he walked the mechanic thru the kit no problem. The increase from the kit is amazing Im scracthing tires with 22's, and smoked my first mustang gt. Cj at straight up streets is cool aswell. when I wanted the kit he next dayed it to me. I dont know thomas and cj from tom and jerry. But I can say they delivered a quality kit. With 5 year warinty. heck I probaliy want have the car that long. Saint when I made my very first post about having the kit you denied me, when I gave the webb sight you denied me. when I said i was pushing 6psi you denied me. I thought this sight was to motivate others and get Ideas. not dog out some one who's trying and offering to help. till then I will be running with the hemi's great kit, nothing else can compare.

[MattRobertson]

that and not a supporting vendor!
He doesn't need to be for a post like that. However Ted@MPSC's post on this is well taken.
http://foohbar.com/ul/modhat.gif

[dodgerla]

I dont see the problem with starting these thread, let all partys equally defend them self. I believe it could of been handled differently, but the buyer choose the forum. I would of personaly have had the parts replaced by the seller and went along with the install. I wouldnt commit to a $3000 product and not go through with it because of to me minor issues. but thats me, so how cares?

[Bruce Bruce]

all you guys rock!! love this forum, its like a reality tv show YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the_saint]

I dont see the problem with starting these thread, let all partys equally defend them self. I believe it could of been handled differently, but the buyer choose the forum. I would of personaly have had the parts replaced by the seller and went along with the install. I wouldnt commit to a $3000 product and not go through with it because of to me minor issues. but thats me, so how cares?
Seems no one read my post in the other thread.. put aside the quality of the workmanship,poor paint etc. THE KIT PICTURED ON MOPARSC SITE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE ONE I RECEIVED. IE the injector placement. if the kit came as it looked on the site this would not have been made into a big deal as it has. the only way for me to get the kit to look like the pic is if I have a 2.7.

I was told by the man himself that the injector placement pictured in the mpsc picture could not work on the 3.5 because of clearance end of story; he did not tell me there was another alternative. I also had othe issue but I won't even waste my time. everybody keeps bringing up the paint and the pics I posted but no one has mentioned the fact these thing were not my only issues. yes the dirty pipes could have been cleaned and re-painted; but what about the injector did you give me a solution on the injector.? NO


As for me committing on a 3000$ product and not going through with it. what are you talking about! I invested an additionally $1000 that I can't recoup. why would I spend 1000 prior to even receiving the kit and then return the kit knowing damn well I won't be able to get my 1000 I spent on parts back. now I have to go spend another 250 to buy another intake because I sold the k&n I had install on my car, yep that sounds like a person that was not committed.:roll:

[dodgerla]

I understand your frustration and yes I did read your post.Please help me understand what is it that you dont like about the picture and the actual location of the injector. Whats the problem with that is it the set up or the location because Ive heard people complain about not liking the idea of a extra injector. Thanks for your input as I am a potential buyer of this kit and would like to know as much as possible.

[Bruce Bruce]

I have a 2.7 also, I have a screte weapon cold air intake I will let go for 170$ retail 360$ It worked great for me( 1 month old), also nice sound. I had a k&nN before my secrete weapon, could tell the differance with the secrete weapon, air fusion( check it out google secrete weapon air intake. let me know what you think, I also have a stage 2 jet chip, letting go for 140 2 months old. Thanks Bruce,
by the way your car looks cools, also if you get a b&g flash you can raise your rpm a limiter to 140, that can help out with the speed

[Bruce Bruce]

bigg charger installed my kit for me, the extra fuel injector actualy helps out with the boost and stops your engine from leaning out( meaning to much power to it), with out it your engine will get to hot. Your'e pushing masive air into your engine the fuel injector evens it out. You actual have to have it unless you are pushing smaller PSI. My fuel injector is locted near my coolant box, I feel thats safe I"ve reached 119 no problem, I have yet to have problems from the kit, Just alot of fun.

[magnum4sissies]

Pics please, Bruce. :]

All I have to say, if it looked different or seemed beat up, don't complain to the forum, complain to the people you bought it from and take it up with them. The members of the forum, who most of us have not purchase one yet, do not know what to tell you other then "that sucks". If they (the people you bought it from) don't do anything, I'd warn the forum then.

You may have been the first on this forum to tell everyone you received it, but there was a person or two who had already done it on other forums. And the good word was already being spread.

Now, if you received a new kit, no scratches or bad paint, none of this and that, and you now know why the kit is that way [as in it looked different in the picture], would you take a new one?





Also, I don't know if anyone has put on of those in a 3.5 yet .. seems the few that have them are 2.7s... anyone seen one on a 3.5 yet?

[Bruce Bruce]

The only 3.5 with the kit is thomas night, he sent me pitcures on my phone, give me your email adress and I will foward it to you.

[dodgerla]

circleAcustoms over at chargerforums.com has it on his 3.5L and is currently upgrading to 7-9 lbs boost.

[Paradog]

Hey is there a discount on the returned unit? Like deep discount! I'm not too concerned with the show quality but rather the street quality!

Sponser me!

[NC-SXT]

Hey is there a discount on the returned unit? Like deep discount! I'm not too concerned with the show quality but rather the street quality!

Sponser me!

There you have it....problem solved. :beerchug:

[SKULLBOY]

There is nothing wrong with posting reviews/opinions of "items" whether good or bad.That what this forum is good for..........weeding out what is junk and what is good.

BUT any problems should try to be rectified between the parties in private before going public with any "slagfests", etc.

Just my $0.02 worth..........:wink:

SKBY.

[DaILLestWun]

I purchased the kit from straight up streets, and had it installed by big charger. If you are looking to go faster its a great buy, Thomas Knight helped me out with evrey question I needed step by step, also when I needed work done at the dealership he walked the mechanic thru the kit no problem. The increase from the kit is amazing Im scracthing tires with 22's, and smoked my first mustang gt. Cj at straight up streets is cool aswell. when I wanted the kit he next dayed it to me. I dont know thomas and cj from tom and jerry. But I can say they delivered a quality kit. With 5 year warinty. heck I probaliy want have the car that long. Saint when I made my very first post about having the kit you denied me, when I gave the webb sight you denied me. when I said i was pushing 6psi you denied me. I thought this sight was to motivate others and get Ideas. not dog out some one who's trying and offering to help. till then I will be running with the hemi's great kit, nothing else can compare.


So you have a 2.7 and you say you are running with the Hemi's now? I highly doubt that. I'm not doubting that your car is quicker now but in no way will it be able to run with a Hemi.

Judging by the fact that our cars have about a 30% power loss from the motor to the wheels, that puts stock 3.5's at 175whp that means that your 2.7 will be at about 133whp. Now add the 67 or whatever HP which is being generous for the 2.7 and you are at only 200whp. Just about 14whp off my sxt with only exhaust. And still about 38 whp away from an R/T. And that's that I was being generous giving you the 67whp. With a hammer H.O. and headers I should be over or close to the 200 whp mark.

I'm not hating just not sure you can run with the Hemi's just yet.

BTW, someone please dyno one of these supercharged car's.

[MY357]

What kind of power can you get out of a 3.5 with the s/c kit? I dynoed my car at 188 at the wheels after my K&N intake,What kind of power/times would you guys expect out of a blown 3.5?

[eunospeed]

It would be nice to see some dyno results. I'm going to guess around 250rwhp. I still think the 3.5's would be a little slower than the Hemi's.

[TTMR]

Yes, my money will remain in my pocket until I see some dyno numbers and a car with lots of miles on the kit.

[Samoan Tsunami]

So you have a 2.7 and you say you are running with the Hemi's now? I highly doubt that. I'm not doubting that your car is quicker now but in no way will it be able to run with a Hemi.

Judging by the fact that our cars have about a 30% power loss from the motor to the wheels, that puts stock 3.5's at 175whp that means that your 2.7 will be at about 133whp. Now add the 67 or whatever HP which is being generous for the 2.7 and you are at only 200whp. Just about 14whp off my sxt with only exhaust. And still about 38 whp away from an R/T. And that's that I was being generous giving you the 67whp. With a hammer H.O. and headers I should be over or close to the 200 whp mark.

I'm not hating just not sure you can run with the Hemi's just yet.

BTW, someone please dyno one of these supercharged car's.


maybe not that low....remember they have a different transmission.

BiggCharger, the 2.7 thats supercharged on the other forum, wrote this a while back.

just got back from the dyno, they emailed the graphs but I cant get them to open? third pull was the highest, with 162.6 h.p and 157.3 torque on a in-ground Dynojet, that's with my heavy ass 22's so not bad since it's a 2.7. Thats with a c.a.i., dual 2 1/2" exhaust with an x-pipe, and the B&G flash.

the 22's soak up some power, and the 2.5 pipe would prob slow the velocity a SLIGHT bit. intake, exhaust and the flash... http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=776435&postcount=362

[ASU_Magnum]

lol @ bruce.

you felt a difference in your secret weapon intake from the KN? please. even if you got a 3hp gain which is pretty far fetched, you would not feel that in your seat on a 4000pd car.

and running with the hemis on a 2.7? again, spare me. go run that car down the strip. if you beat a 15.2 ill be impressed. if you break 15 seconds ill be even more impressed but u still wont be up to where a stock hemi runs.

and bottom line is the guy wasn't happy. i don't see a whole lot of making him happy other than on MPSC part; so props to them. i can tell you if i got a SC kit with dirt and crap in it i would think twice about installing it.

thats what the forums are here for. to let people know whats going on before they commit more $$. so lets say he didnt say anything...and just fought it out behind the scenes...none of us would of known and many others could of bought with the same complaints. seems like mr knight had every opportunity to make it right but instead chose to blast the guy and everyone else for that matter.

either way, you guys are all living in a dream thinking this SC, or any for that matter is going to put you at Hemi speeds. sorry fellas, but 100hp is a 100hp. coming from nitrous, sc or turbo...ive been there and i can tell you straight up that if your lookin for hemi speeds ur not going to get it. yeah the prowler guys were fast with the same engine...they were also a good deal lighter than the flying sled the magnum is and they didn't have the computer to beat.

yeah, i may seem a bit ignorant. but i think i was the first person to have the balls to put these things to the test and "break the rules" so to speak. Im not spouting off about what i think might be the case or what it felt like from the seat of my pants. i proved it.

I would love to see someone prove me wrong. My proof is all over this forum. Good luck

[DaILLestWun]

I agree with you 150% ASU. The point is that a 2.7 won't be able to run with a Hemi just with this S/C. The 67 or w/e hp increase is supposed to be for the 3.5L. So I'm supposing it would be slightly less for the 2.7.

[Bruce Bruce]

I have no integrity issue's. Its simple my brother has a hemi, I have a super charged 2.7, with jet stage 2, performance tires. custom dual exh, and ehs electronic system. We raced several times and I was right with him, along with me racing other cars on the street. I dont know why you guys are being so negative. Get a super charger and see the gain for your self. A cars gain and speed is based on more than numbers. you can get a stock magnum,300, or charger and put them at the line and they will all run different. Is all about taking risk, if you have the money then get it and you will see. Evrey one who has the 2.7 is happy, on aperformance stand point. Now cosmetic thats up to you. Don't knock something you have not tried. Thanks Happy Holidays

[eunospeed]

I have no integrity issue's. Its simple my brother has a hemi, I have a super charged 2.7, with jet stage 2, performance tires. custom dual exh, and ehs electronic system. We raced several times and I was right with him, along with me racing other cars on the street. I dont know why you guys are being so negative. Get a super charger and see the gain for your self. A cars gain and speed is based on more than numbers. you can get a stock magnum,300, or charger and put them at the line and they will all run different. Is all about taking risk, if you have the money then get it and you will see. Evrey one who has the 2.7 is happy, on aperformance stand point. Now cosmetic thats up to you. Don't knock something you have not tried. Thanks Happy Holidays


Guys laughed at me when I said my 99 Miata with a 6psi JR supercharger could run with S2000's at the track. Nose to tail all the way to 115. I dynoed before and after and at 6psi I was making an extra 60rwhp.

[TTMR]

I still want to see a time slip, if all those mods to a 2.7 gain 70 or so hp then you are probably putting about the same amount of power down as I am. While 5.7s aren't blowing my doors off, I wouldn't say that I'm running with them either.