QUICK HELP!!! WHy am I haveing trouble with this fit? [Archive]

feros

11-19-2007, 03:17 PM

Tire wheel HELP!!!
I am in Afghanistan and the wife is getting my new wheels/tires installed...but she said
"Front tires no problem

rear tires rub the plastic tire well so bad the tires will be trashed in 20 miles .... what do you want me to do?"

My car is not lowered and no suspension upgrade.

staggered Foose Nitrous 20x8.5 front and 20x10 rear
Pirelli Scorpion Zeros (265/45/20 and 295/40/20)

WTF????

SilvaSurfer

11-19-2007, 04:09 PM

What is the offset for the back ones? You might need spacers to clear the lip... Just a thought.. Congrats on the new wheels I wish my wife would buy me some rims and tires....

feros

11-19-2007, 04:37 PM

I don't know but they came off a maggie, from a guy on the forum.
Crap...this sucks!

TMag

11-19-2007, 04:38 PM

Well, I guess I got something to look forward too. I got the same set up he has, but don't have them installed yet. The offset for the rear are 20mm, fronts are 15mm. Just a question, where did you buy the rims at?

2ndmag

11-19-2007, 04:52 PM

Another problem I have heard of is if they haven't lowered it off the rack it might appear to rub but will not once lowered onto the ground!

feros

11-19-2007, 04:52 PM

Just a question, where did you buy the rims at?
they came off a maggie, from a guy on the forum I would figure they would work with out any issue...huuummmm...is the rear of a 05 Maggie differant than a 06 Daytona?

PaCharger

11-19-2007, 04:54 PM

feros....ask wifey to stop by the installer and ask if they think it needs a 3mm or 5mm spacer. I'm a few hours north, but would be happy to help out if I can.

GeekGrl

11-19-2007, 04:59 PM

I will stop by the tire shop this afternoon. This is a trusted friend of my best friend so he will truely listen to any information i bring him. He already researched the tire pressure sensor ... we never thought about a spacer.

PaCharger

11-19-2007, 05:01 PM

cool, i'll pm you my cell. Any help i can be....ping me.

DJ

feros

11-19-2007, 05:08 PM

I type slow...Old info below :)

I really have no way to get ahold of her right now, I can only hope she checks her email from work, or can get online where she's at?
We have alot of friends in the area, so I am sure she will figure something out.
She sent me an email asking for my help / options that I wanted to do.

Thanx PA CHarger

ANY one else have sujestions???

SilvaSurfer

11-19-2007, 05:35 PM

If you can get the spacers for the back that would be your best bet... I am reading this correctly that 05r/t to 06 daytona. Does the daytona have the road and track? If so that just might be your problem as that suspension is close to the SRT with out the brembo brakes. So there may be a difference in the fitment...

feros

11-19-2007, 05:58 PM

PaCharger

11-19-2007, 06:01 PM

just talked to her feros...she's on her way to the tire shop.
If she needs spacers, she knows what size to source. She indicated there is a car shop next store to the tire place.

I'll google a few auto shop near there and see if I can make a call or two to determine who has the spacers nearby.

Doug

feros

11-19-2007, 06:21 PM

PaCharger

11-19-2007, 06:23 PM

feros

11-19-2007, 06:33 PM

Figured as much! I did call Advanced on merrimack, they didn't have any. But the guy there thought Pepboys would have them.

I shot her a text message with the results. NONE of the tire shops around here carried them...figured we tried to get that car with shoes that fit! :)

Good luck and stay safe over Feros!

DJ

There is that one, and a Auto Zone across the street, a Napa down the road..now going the other way from our house, there is a NAPA, and a Carquest.
Now hit Newport News and than you got alot more to choose from to include Pepboys.

GeekGrl

11-19-2007, 07:21 PM

Checked all local auto parts stores .... only Napa was willing to order them BUT they were too big .... 6.1mm .... was advised (Thanks PaCharger) to go with a 5mm, or 3mm if possible. Pep Boys in Newport News has and can only get a 6.1mm.

Malcom, guy putting the new wheels on says 5 would be fine, might possibly get away with a 3.

Online shopping here I come .... anyone got a favorite vendor who stocks these?

GeekGrl

11-19-2007, 07:34 PM

http://www.ezaccessory.com/4_5_Lug_5mm_Thick_Spacer_p/606.htm

is this right?

PaCharger

11-19-2007, 07:51 PM

Exactly the one I have, only a 3mm.

Just got back online GG. I'd still make a call or two more, find a speed shop nearby.
Otherwise ship.

DJ

GeekGrl

11-19-2007, 08:01 PM

This is Williamsburg VA .... Speed Shop ....ugh ....I might find a "speed Shop" for 18th century buggies.... but not so sure Feros wants wooden wheels on his car.

I did call them and ordered the spacers ... they are in CA and thanks to the time difference they will ship out today, will have them tomorrow, wednesday at the latest.

feros

11-19-2007, 08:15 PM

All this for some damn wheels...jeeze they better be worth it. :)

Thanx for all the help.
I am sure GG is just over joyed at this adventure. :wink:

11-19-2007, 09:37 PM

Another problem I have heard of is if they haven't lowered it off the rack it might appear to rub but will not once lowered onto the ground!

X2.... been there, done that with a set of Budnik's long ago that took MONTHS to arrive. The guys at Discount Tire were convinced that they would continue to rub until we lowered the car onto the ground.....

--Bo

PaCharger

11-19-2007, 09:53 PM

Cool, glad you were able to get them. Funny, you would think a TIRE and WHEEL shop would have this type of stuff. Guess the liability is too much.

good luck gang...sure it will work once they arrive.

Ronin

11-19-2007, 09:58 PM

Just got the PM...

They bought the wheels from me.

My '05 Maggie R/T was lowered with an SRT suspension and had no fit issues @ all. I originally got the wheel package from Ernie and Lori @ 402 Motoring. They sold a ton of these Foose packages and I'm sure they'd know what to do. I haven't heard of spacers being used with this particular package but if that what it takes to get it right...

Please keep me (us!) posted...

Thanks,

Matty

feros

11-19-2007, 10:11 PM

I have no idea what the deal is, but if spacers it needs than spacers it gets.

GeekGrl

11-19-2007, 10:15 PM

It's all getting done ...... whats a few spacers compared to "Deer Hunting" and "Watering the Yard"

i'm an Army Wife "I can do anything" "or at least get it done"

it's going to look good when it's all finished!

Paradog

11-19-2007, 11:13 PM

Call or PM the 402 gang!

RobAGD

11-20-2007, 12:20 AM

Feros - I have these wheels, you are fine, with the car up the rear suspention will sag and the wheels WILL hit until they are under load.

The fronts are 20x8.5 +15 and teh rears are 20x10 +25 and fit fine on the RT/Daytona

Just have them let the car down and then look :)

I used an alignment rack to check mine with load for clearance issues when I first got them.

-R

GeekGrl

11-20-2007, 06:49 AM

I will call the tire shop today and have them put them on and set the car down. and "look again"

Thanks to everyone here for educating me!

PowerWagon896

11-20-2007, 07:38 AM

Measure the "BACKSET".

"BACKSET" is the distance from the mounting pad to the inner edge of the rim. 6" is about max. If it is more than 6" add a spacer to reduce the "BACKSET" to 6" or less.

It is "BACKSET" that determines the clearance issues on the inside.

Offset will not give you the whole picture. A wider rim W/the same offset will have more "BACKSET".

GeekGrl

11-20-2007, 07:46 AM

Look at all this great information ..... soon i'll know enough to be a "tire man" when I grow up!

feros

11-20-2007, 08:49 AM

Alot of great people here, willing to assist anyway they can.
Can't ask for a better bunch of LXer's.

I don't want to be a tire man, but in 3.2 years I will retire (from the Army).

GeekGrl

11-20-2007, 09:46 AM

For all my trouble with the wheels and spacers my husband (Feros) is rewarding me with a play station 3 ..... WoooooHooooooo :)

what other headaches can I deal with? I can think of a few more "rewards" on my wish list!

NVRDUN

11-20-2007, 10:33 AM

FWIW, I have this same package of wheels tires. I do not have rubbing in the rear at all. I installed them in my garage. They showed up mounted/balanced (thanks 402). I do remember someone putting 315's on the rear without rubbing, but while the car was on the lift they rubbed real bad. Good luck and post plenty of pics!

PaCharger

11-20-2007, 10:37 AM

good input all around....Backset huh? Interesting....so, 6" can be measured and then you know how far you have to move. Cool....learned something new today.

feros

11-20-2007, 12:16 PM

Good luck and post plenty of pics!

After they are on and all good, I will have my wife take pictures and I will post up. :)

Ronin

11-20-2007, 07:03 PM

After they are on and all good, I will have my wife take pictures and I will post up. :)

:thumbs_u:

WHEW! I'm so glad to hear that!!! I hope you enjoy them as much as I did...

NVRDUN

11-20-2007, 07:42 PM

:thumbs_u:

WHEW! I'm so glad to hear that!!! I hope you enjoy them as much as I did...

I think Feros is saying that AFTER they are installed and life is good, he will post pics. I think we are still waiting for the results.

GeekGrl

11-20-2007, 07:45 PM

We are still waiting, the spacers will arrive at the shop where the car is tomorrow..... the tire guy has oter stuff than just "trying to see" .. so tomorrow after the spacers arrive, he will try without and then with the spacers ... so i should have pics tomorrow night (taken in the dark, but it'll be a sneak peek)

will keep you all posted!

Ronin

11-21-2007, 09:09 AM

I think Feros is saying that AFTER they are installed and life is good, he will post pics. I think we are still waiting for the results.

D'oh! :doh: I'm anxious to hear the good news and jumped the gun... I was not at all happy to hear this and wanted Geek Grl and Feros to be able to bolt them on no worries like I did...

Matty

feros

11-21-2007, 03:00 PM

D'oh! :doh: I'm anxious to hear the good news and jumped the gun... I was not at all happy to hear this and wanted Geek Grl and Feros to be able to bolt them on no worries like I did...

Matty
No worries, everything will work out. The tire guy may just not know and jumped the gun about put weight on them and they don't rub, or I may have a freak of a car (it would match the owner) :mrgreen: it may need the spacers. I sure know that I don't need any spacers...I am spacey enough. :doh:

PaCharger

11-21-2007, 03:05 PM

d'oh...thought the problem was solved.
So let me understand this...he doesn't know for sure if they rubbed or not once some weight was put on them?

Funny, i have the nivomat self leveling...after jacking the car up each time at the drags it takes about 250 feet of driving till they settle back down....last sunday I actually thought I didn't have the lugs on all the way and stopped the car to get out an check them. When I stopped....(only 200ft from where I started) the car lowered itself and voila....got in the car and drove off no troubles.

Feels a bit like a flat tire though (probably rubbing...could be the same thing the tire guy felt).

Good luck Feros and GG.

GeekGrl

11-21-2007, 04:15 PM

Tire guy put rear wheels on and did NOT need the spacers .... which he discovered AFTER he put the car on the gound and rechecked the clearance ..... so anyone need to buy some spacers?

I will pick it up after work and take pictures, it will be int he dark, but it'll give everyone a sneak peek.

Thanks to everyone here for getting me (and the tire guy) through this!

feros

11-21-2007, 04:25 PM

After I emailed GG 5-10 times a day asking
"anything yet?" ... "how about now" ... "hey now?" ...you get the point.
I fianlly got an eamil saying
"Done!
Spacers not needed!
Will pick up after work"

Silly tire guy spacers are for aliens!

Ronin

11-21-2007, 04:39 PM

Yes! Awesome news... Enjoy!!! :racing:

Happy Thanksgiving all!

GeekGrl

11-21-2007, 07:58 PM

First Pic
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108/GeekGrl/Wheels/PB210015.jpg

The kitty helped :)

GeekGrl

11-21-2007, 08:00 PM

a few real pics ..... taken in the dark .... tomorrow I will do "real pictures"

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108/GeekGrl/Wheels/PB210014.jpg

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w108/GeekGrl/Wheels/PB210004.jpg

all pictures I took tonight can be seen here .... http://s174.photobucket.com/albums/w108/GeekGrl/Wheels/

feros

11-21-2007, 09:36 PM

Cool, nice fat and meaty tires...w/ awesome looking wheels.!!!

RobAGD

11-21-2007, 10:12 PM

Yep, I am kinda partical to them myself ;)

http://www.robagd.com/cars/robs/foose/rob-foose-corner-sm.jpg

Enjoy !

-R

Hemi Mag

11-22-2007, 12:37 PM

Looks great!

Did someone use your tailpipe as a jacking spot thou?

AC

Jina's Embroidery

11-22-2007, 12:53 PM

You two are great! You guys get things done quicker than Rick and I do sitting in the same room. Love the wheels. Happy Thanksgiving!

SilvaSurfer

11-22-2007, 03:00 PM

Glad you got it all solved, very happy for you and enjoy the new wheels.

PaCharger

11-25-2007, 03:14 PM

yes, glad to see it worked out...can't believe he thought there was a clearance issue when there wasn't?!"@#$@#

Saw the same squished tip too....wtf happened there, bottom out going backwards?

feros

11-25-2007, 07:23 PM

Did someone use your tailpipe as a jacking spot thou?

AC

Saw the same squished tip too....wtf happened there, bottom out going backwards?

I have no clue WTF happened there. It wasn't like that when I left back for Afghan. HUH?

GeekGrl

11-25-2007, 07:24 PM

I have no clue WTF happened there. It wasn't like that when I left back for Afghan. HUH?

I'll cal the tire shop about it ..... I didn't do it!

GeekGrl

11-26-2007, 09:31 AM

Called the shop that did the work .... got treated like a "dumb girl" they will only talk to our really good friend Bobby, who grew up with the folks that own and run the shop.

I dare say they don't know who they just pissed off ... while I sure don't know everything i'm not "dumb" and I get really riled up when people talk down to me.

The dented tail pipe after further inspection aligns perfect with a jack, and the only jack under this car is at the tire shop.
Worse than the damage for the dent (which can probably be hammered out decently) what if the car had fallen and someone had gotten seriously injured?

After they talk to my friend Bobby, I will be calling back to seek repair at their expense at another shop. But I will also be playing the "Army Wife" card .... <Mumbling> mess with my husbands car when he's deployed and expect to get away with it I don't think so.

PaCharger

11-26-2007, 09:54 AM

them tire nazi bastages.....give 'em Hell GG!

tommyzdesign

11-26-2007, 10:24 AM

some of you wont beleive this but from seeing that they tried to jack the car up by the exhaust tip , i would bet my car that they put the 20x10 on the front at first , thats why it didnt work.....lol make sure you make them pay for the exhaust , thats not how a customer should be treated let alone a lady and her daytona.