New Face Off?

[fogey]

With all the stuff on the market these days , is it possible that a new face off is coming?

[lowriderman3]

What kinda stuff?

[MattRobertson]

Yeah what kinda stuff?

:D



"The trouble with the rat race is that even if you win, you're still a rat." - Lily Tomlin

[Cam]

You know............stuff?


This kinda stuff






That kinda stuff
















STUFF! :roll:

[Junior]

I wanna test some stuff...

[Cam]

I wanna test some stuff...


What kinda stuff???

[Junior]

Y'know, testable stuff.

[Cam]

Y'know, testable stuff.

testical stuff?????..............I didn't know you were into that kinda stuff dude??

[MattRobertson]

testABLE stuff you mowron. You know, like testing for The Clap. Thats testable.



I hear.




"The truth is more important than the facts." - Frank Lloyd Wright

[Cam]

testABLE stuff you mowron. You know, like testing for The Clap. Thats testable.



I hear.




"The truth is more important than the facts." - Frank Lloyd Wright


Clap??..............................OK?........... .........my lights just turned off.





How many times you want me to test this.




I didn't think this was the kinda stuff we needed ta test??.

[MattRobertson]

*WE* don't.

:D




It does often seem that man must fight to live. - Flavius Maximus, "Bread and Circuses," stardate 4040.9

[Cam]

*WE* don't.


So whatta I do now.

[Trojan]

Test this out will ya :mrgreen:

[STAGE 3 R/T]

testies 1 2 3? hmmm what kinda stuff we talkin about? Supercharge a turbo kit with a 75HP wet shot of juice?

[Cam]

testies 1 2 3? hmmm what kinda stuff we talkin about? Supercharge a turbo kit with a 75HP wet shot of juice?


Yup, that sounds like some cool stuff.

[fogey]

Thanks guys.

[GoofyTimL]

This is a great TEST-a-mint to getting ready to prepare to say prepratory remarks about something that might, eventually, potentially, be de-TEST-able!

[Cam]

Thanks guys.

Glad we could be of service. :mrgreen:

[MattRobertson]

he said 'juice' heh heh

[FactoryD]

Seriously though. Are we to the point that we've exhausted all of the after market givings?

I was under the impression that I was to have a turbo that I could've brought up this year. But, we all know how people talk out of their asses sometimes. I'm sure you can guess that aint happening....

The only reason I can think why there can't be another MOFO is because the big talkers aren't delivering.

Come on FRI, HHP, etc... Let's get some numbers for you guys!

[MattRobertson]

You know, I think at least some of it has to be that MFO5 was such an incredible drain on CoolVanilla, and to a lesser but still great extent on myself, that we needed a breather for awhile. MFO5 literally took months of daily work. Doesn't seem like it would but it sure did.

And some of it undoubtedly is a lack of clarity as to what we should do next. Whats out there that needs testing that enough people will get behind -- in terms of voting for it to happen, and contributing so it can happen -- plus what people want has to be realistic -- My catback shootout is a great idea that is almost certainly impractical when you sit down and try to work out the mechanics of the test sequence and give same a reality check when it comes to dyno time and build/teardown time needed.

I have to say I think that we have done intakes to death. There were some recent comments by a member wanting to do rounds of SRT testing with some of the intakes that have been tested on 5.7's in the past but honestly, I think after something like 300 dyno pulls we have pretty much learned what works and what does not, and all we'd be doing is determining how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

One thing I do NOT think is we have exhausted all of the opportunities for testing, learning and mythbusting. In all seriousness, there have been some ideas floated and seriously considered. Nothing concrete has come of it.

And soon it will be a year since MFO5 happened (!)

[RobAGD]

Like Matt said, it comes down to scale.

How would you do a mofo for say 3 differnt turbos set ups ? They try to test the same car with differnt kit, and your not doing that with a yurbo setup or even a basic blower set up. So what you have to do is get a group of people to buy into the systems, Everyone show up for a Stock Dyno run day. Everythings get recorded mods, gas, etc with Data logs.

Then they have say 2 weeks to get everythinginstalled and worked out and get some seat time to get the computers time to get sorted out then meet back up and do a huge AFTER dyno.

Right there your looking at close to 100k in funds

We are honestly to the point we really need to start doing an engine dyno vs chassis dyno. Speed of testing and swap of parts is going to be key.

Take the same stock motor, install HHP stage 2 and 3 stuff and dyno, install FRI heads and a few cams and dyno, do the same for dynamic racing, PPP, Indy, THS. Thats a solid 3 days of testings. I woudl think you could say do a heads and cam swap on a stand in 3 hours ?

The problem is we cant do the dyno stand because of our computers as I understand it. So we woudl be stuck rigging up something from and LS car to run the motor ( like Hot Rod did for teh cam swaps )

-R

[CoolVanilla]

Sorry I missed this guys. Cam, back in your corner! :Na_Na_Na_Na:

Rob and Matt and Factory have pretty much summed up the current state of things. We've seen this market evolve from offering a couple intakes, to today where anyone can drop in a 426 should they wish to. This is a great thing for us, but it also makes MFO stuff more difficult.

A few good ideas have indeed been floated; the new Mopar TCM, the imminent offerings from Diablo, SCT and others, new refreshed versions of intakes we've already tested, intakes we haven't tested, exhausts, converters and more. All great things that deserve the MFO treatment... but the question is, is there enough interest in any one or two things out there to generate the thousands it costs to test them properly?

Another factor that has admittedly suppressed my will to actively go after the 'next' MFO has been the enormous financial and time drain my rig has been. Most of my 'hobby' time lately has been spent doing what needs to be done in order to get my baby back on the road. There's been little energy left over for other stuff. I don't say that as an excuse or poor-me thing, but rather as a 'here's where my head is at, so bear with me' thing.

And I should take this opportunity to point out I don't own or have a monopoly on the MFO stuff. If anyone out there wants to head up the next round, I'm more than willing to work with them and show them what makes a MFO, a MFO. Our procedures, our methods and our results are not owned by anyone. They are everyone's, and accordingly are available to everyone.

Having said all that, I am starting to get that itch. Especially when Diablo releases... I personally would love to see set of TCM tests, a set of Diablo tests and a set of new Superchips tests. Throw in a sprinkling of an intake or two and you've got an event.

Thoughts??

[Cam]

Having said all that, I am starting to get that itch. Especially when Diablo releases... I personally would love to see set of TCM tests, a set of Diablo tests and a set of new Superchips tests. Throw in a sprinkling of an intake or two and you've got an event.

Thoughts??

Now that's some cool stuff :Na_Na_Na_Na:

[CoolVanilla]

Now that's some cool stuff :Na_Na_Na_Na:Can you imagine the combos possible, even on a stock rig? I can easily see coming out of there with some very conclusive "use this TCM, this tune and you'll get xxx results on the dyno and the track". And considering that combo could max out at a total cost of $1k, seems to me that would be incredibly useful to many many people.

[Cam]

Can you imagine the combos possible, even on a stock rig? I can easily see coming out of there with some very conclusive "use this TCM, this tune and you'll get xxx results on the dyno and the track". And considering that combo could max out at a total cost of $1k, seems to me that would be incredibly useful to many many people.


That it would. :beerchug:

[wheelife]

We are more than willing to donate!!, personally we would like to see some love for the V6 guys and get the AIRHAMMER H.O. into the test regime..

[deathtrain]

well when the Diablo comes out maybe and Stock diablo (i.e. none custom tuned) vs. the Stock superchip. We all know where the money will be placed at vegas but could be good info for future LX owners that need info and numbers before spending the money.

[Super T]

I think the handhelds need to be tested, that's a given. I'd love to see head/cam combos side-by-side but damn, there's no way to pull those swaps in a weekend over and over and over.