LETS GET THIS DONE!

[MomsR/T]

Alright now...........if you want to make your R/T or C go more quicklyer, set down your K&N and relax.........I can get you 8 rear wheel hp.....but I need someones help here first.


Lee Cooper, owner of Auto Specialties (the largest pulley maker) says he has been trying to get his hands on a friggen pulley for the 5.7 thats in our cars........DC says no way!

In fact you can't even ORDER the part FROM the parts counter...........this is where ya'll come in. Its not like the pulley just slides off........it needs to be pressed thus the radiator needs to come out. If anyone can get their grubby little hands on one or can be without out their car for sometime, I NEED THE FRIGGEN PULLEY!

Once Lee can draft the pulley, he can do the rest of the math and CAD to build this thing! I can't make promises as to what this "LITTLE HELPER" will get, but most likely the first darn pulley that comes off the line.

I would bet money that removing the resonators and adding a K&N don't come close to changing the pulley (from my past exp.) Its a big deal........

Get to work and make this happen, cuz if a forum GROUP TOWARDS this car can't do it.....who can?

[MomsR/T]

BTW.....no the pulley for the truck motor is different so don't even think about it......good try though. :wink:

[C4me]

Deleted for lack of interest.

[MomsR/T]

what? What the hell does that mean?

You lack interest in an under drive pulley? Are you kidding me?

[Rev.Hammer]

Hmmmm...I wish I wish I wish I had Unholy's wrecked Magnum! ... I am interested ,for one...

[bipto]

How is it that dealer parts depts don't have a p/n on this..? You mean to tell me that if I have a front end, radiator-shredding accident and I bend that pully, that I couldn't get another one..? :shock:

[gone2vegas]

How is it that dealer parts depts don't have a p/n on this..? You mean to tell me that if I have a front end, radiator-shredding accident and I bend that pully, that I couldn't get another one..? :shock:

maybe they have a p/n, but won't give it out or allow you to purchase one. maybe it can only be ordered by a dealer service department.

I would bet money that removing the resonators and adding a K&N don't come close to changing the pulley (from my past exp.) Its a big deal........

IMO, the pulley is not that big of a deal, at least not if you want to maintain decent performance FROM your accessories.

I put an ASP kit on my brother's 95 Mustang GT and there wasn't a noticeable seat of the pants difference. that kit included the crank, water pump and alternator pulleys. we didn't install the alternator pulley. the engine did rev up a little quicker though.

I'd say the pulley is equivalent to the K&N and MUFFLER replacement NOT the RESONATOR replacement. I think the resonator replacement is more for sound not performance.

dollar/hp gained obviously goes to the pulley, but replacing the mufflers adds to the sound so there are multiple benefits.

[MomsR/T]

How is it that dealer parts depts don't have a p/n on this..? You mean to tell me that if I have a front end, radiator-shredding accident and I bend that pully, that I couldn't get another one..? :shock:

According to Lee, Mopar wants the old one in ORDER to sell the new one. They DEMAND the core instead of asking for it. He and I were talking and he was telling me he had to wait 2 years to make the one for the Hemi in the truck. He claims there is a good chance that the only difference is 7 rib to a 6 rib but is not willing to bet his reputation on it. He needs the real one for no more than a day.

As far as the pulley not being a big deal, I can tell you that it will make a bigger difference than the other things at a fraction of the cost.........since there are few parts for this thing, we are 1 pulley and 1 month to have one more part! :wink:

Coming FROM the Ford side of the house I am not use to BEGGING for parts...... 8)

If we can do the exhaust, air intake, and pulleys I am figuring around 375hp..........thats huge! :shock:

So.........keep you ears open, because you never know when you might meet a parts guy or a service manager that can help us. Think think think! :idea:

Good luck fellas and let me know what you can find.............

[C4me]

what? What the hell does that mean?

You lack interest in an under drive pulley? Are you kidding me?

You asked, so I'll tell you.
Little gain, if you say add an intake and an exhaust .... I'll say litlle gain FROM the pulley. Next, take thae pulley off your MOM's car! Don't need to try to get us to do what YOU think is KEWL. Jeez, spare me this ... if you want it for Mom's car, then you do it.

[MomsR/T]

Lemme explain.............I am not asking you to go take it off your car. I have already looked at doing this and the down time and effort is too much for me or anyone else to do. Take INTO account that I even own a shop.

Next..........there are folks here that either work for DM, know someone that does, work for a dealership, or know someone that does. With that in mind, I figured a GROUP could get this done. "Doesn't matter what you know its who you know."

Next, considering the lack of aftermarket for the car THUS far, I would think its a big deal to add 33% more parts that a fella could add to his/her car. When I sit here and read 20 different posts on CAI mods you would think there would be interest in a pulley that would actually add MORE hp that the CAI.

As far as "little difference", I know that DYNO results SHOW 8hp or more to the rear wheels on about every car Lee has designed a pulley for. Thats fairly good I think, esp. given how cheap the part is. Given the fact that with this SLUSH auto, I figure an 18% loss to the rear wheels which takes us to 288hp.......add 8hp = 296hp.

296hp to the rear wheels alone is getting better. The pulley would allow us to "rev" quicker. The other two mods, to my understanding, are the cat back and the intake. WIth all things being equal, these 3 parts would work well together. And considering the Borla cat back is $1000 and CAI's are $130 to $230, I would think some would be giddy about a part that costs $200 to $250 (unsure due to lack of production).

Back in the day, I remember running a pulley, 3.73 gears, a set of tires, K&N with air silencer removed, h-pipe with 2 chamber flows and synthetic oil in a late 80's to early 90's LX 5.0 and ripping off low 13's while others were able to get high 12's. Is this no big deal?

Your right, I asked the question........and while I will try no longer to get you to agree, I was shocked that you spoke for the entire group.

[C4me]

I sure hate to get INTO one of these kind of posts, but you are begging - yes you did ask for someone else to take it off the car. Look at your 1st post. ".....or can be without their car ...". 33% more parts? What is that? 8 HP and all I have to do is spend 250 USD, pull my radiator, etc, etc. And, read MY post again - I never said WE, I always said I. It was my post, and I still say if it is so cool, do it. BTW,do you figure that the alternator will be able to handle the LOAD when underdriven? OH, get a new bigger amp alternator? It really isn't a very big alternator as it is. For 8 HP? Sorry, but IMO it isn't worth it. For me, that is. Good luck on this one.

[Unholy]

I could have sold him the entire wreck I had... and he could remake every part if he wanted... just a bit too late.

[Rev.Hammer]

Dammit , Unholy... I stomp my hat everytime I think about how sweet it would have been to have that wreck!!

[MomsR/T]

C4me.......thats fine dude......if you have no interest, thats why they make the little red X on your upper right hand corner of the screen of the arrow that points to the left on your upper left of the screen.

The post was for people that wanted more hp. If you know of other ways to make more hp.......and yes 8 rwhp on average.....please feel free to share. Do I have ALL the answers to what is going to happen or what is this and that going to mean? NO! Thats why I need a pulley to place INTO the hands of the designers. Like all pulleys, it depends on how much you under drive it. Sometimes he can do a set so that it under drives the crank alot but effects the ALT very little........but who knows until we can get everything sorted out.

I suppose I could ask one more question about mufflers or cold air mods.........or maybe cold air mods then mufflers.

Can't hate a dude for trying to come to a site to FURTHER a specific type of car and really trying to FURTHER the cause eh?

Besides...........all that talk of 22" and 24" wheels is driving my HEMI crazy! I'd rather stick my damn 15" Weld Draglites on it......but the brakes are too big.

How bout this.......how bout the folks that come to the "Engine / Intake / Exhaust" section actually want to make 5 hp here and 10 hp there? Lastly, no one designs and builds better pullies than ASP (them Aggie engineers for ya). If some one would give me 8 hp with out effecting the rest of the car and all for $200.....I would be all for it. But what do I know........I rather make HP then put in the latest craze like a Tornado or a TB spacer that has a heli cut in it....ROFL!

[MomsR/T]

oh...one more thing......33% of the parts mean, that if all we have now is CAI and exhaust.....the pulley would be the third aftermarket part thus 33% of the things you could possible do to your ride.

right now if you have modified your airbox, taken out the silencer, or whatever, you've done half of EVERYTHING you can do to it thus far.

If folks here can write 50 different ways to add more air (of which there isn't 1 hp FROM the best idea to the worst idea) you can imagine my shock that someone would write DELETED DUE TO LACK OF INTEREST.

[MagnumFreak]

It is starting to get to the point of deleting this whole thread. One of the reasons this site has grown as fast as it has is the fact that this type of bickering doesn't go on. Let's keep it civilized please.

[C4me]

OK Mom, time for a truce I guess. The 33% thing was an honest question that got caught in the middle of the "I can't believe this" comments I made. The rest was frustration at what I perceived as another attempt at getting someone else to do the work. I have seen other forums get so caught up with mindless drivel that when a subject goes slightly adrift of what I think is center, well ............ I'd hate for this forum to turn INTO a "what if" forum populated by 12 year old kids that have only heard some phrases and presume that we all want to hear about it. When I said "deleted for ...." That was because I did DELETE what I had written. It was not a nice comment so I could do nothing else, had to DELETE it. The "lack of interest" was honest and not meant to be an attack.

Bottom line - I want to enjoy the time I spend here too. I will temper my personal thoughts and I apologize if the lively banter went too far this time. I'll try to keep it more friendly or at least bite my tongue at not say something that may sound too critical.

[MomsR/T]

okay....could be my fault.

I just see an oportunity to get something done here and take this car forward. Its frustrating to go look for things to do to the car and find out that its still too new. I figured DC would be all over this.

I was wrong.......so I figured we could at least buy the stock parts, once again I was wrong.

I am not some 12 year old kid....not that you were saying I was, (and I do spell like I was 12) and when Fish and Flux give me a visit Sat. they'll see that I build some pretty nice stuff.

I remember going thru this parts famine when the Mustang was growing in the 80's..........everything was CHevy Chevy Chevy.........now look, I can buy Mustang stuff till I turn blue.

On another thread I already spoke of the ALT issue so its not a new concern, we have identified that problem.

I think lively debate is good. I have not taken anything personal and I hope you haven't either.

I am hoping to get my hands SOMEHOW on a pulley, whether the guy thats taking off his ENTIRE front clip wants to help while his car is already in 1,000 pieces or a guy that might have an angle on getting one......thats all.

I'll make no claims that a pulley will be the end all be all for someones HEMI, but I figured every little bit would help. When I get this done C4me, I'd love to report what it costs, the upside and the honest downside.

Thanks for your last words..........

[tonyt]

Not to get everyone all riled up again, but MomsR/T why can't you offer up your own? Here is a suggestion, make friends with someone in a service shop who has the ability to ORDER the part. Then you can just fork him over the cash for it and be on your merry way...

Good luck in your quest!

[MomsR/T]

Not to get everyone all riled up again, but MomsR/T why can't you offer up your own? Here is a suggestion, make friends with someone in a service shop who has the ability to ORDER the part. Then you can just fork him over the cash for it and be on your merry way...

Good luck in your quest!

Good point.........why not take mine off? Because my car would be down for about 4 to 5 days and momma wouldn't be happy, and when momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.........coprende?

If someone, like the guy tring to change his entire front clip, already had his apart, why not ask?

As far as making friends with someone in a service shop........GREAT IDEA! I believe thats what I was tring to do.....you see, when I read alot of the "CHECK IN" site, I saw that we had alot of people that either worked for Dodge or a dealership. These people spoke of "I ordered my R/T and got no special treatment even though I work for Dodge." I figured these people could help me BUY one. Not wanting something for nothing.


Good questions though.........and now maybe you can see the who, what, when, and where I was thinking.......I was prob unclear in my first post.

Thanks for your support.......

[C4me]

OK Mom ... time to stick up for you. We, Mom and C, already beat that "use your own" horse! Dead horse at that! BTW, what was resolved with the alt? Seems stock isn't all that strong as it is. And pulling the radiator? That alone is a MAJOR block for me. Pull my teeth instead, it would be easier!

No offense taken, glad to hear you too.

[tonyt]

Nah man...visit some local dealerships or go to some smaller mom and pop shops that could possibly ORDER it. Use all your resources available. Social engineering man!!!!! Look INTO finding a totaled one as well...don't just rely on forums. (Not that I'm assuming you are!)

[tonyt]

BTW, it's cool what your trying to accomplish. Extra HP for a small price is great, no doubt, but I'm not sure I would do anything with my pulley until my warranty ran out. Intakes and exhausts are one thing but a pulley could affect a lot more.

[MomsR/T]

yeah......I am looking for wrecked cars, talking to people here and there........just so new that no one has wrecked one yet it seems. I do have the word out though.

Thanks for the words of incouragement.

Yeah....the warrenty thing has been discussed. My only thoughts on this are, it will actually move the other accesories SLOWER, so they should last longer. ie. bearing life.

The only thing that moves faster is the crank......thus the RPM when you put your foot INTO it.

Those that have seen the results of an electric fan vs a fan clutch can tell you how much loss is due to accesories. Its these little things I want to hit first or at least give it a whirl.

I figure my wifes car will turn INTO my car at about 65-75K miles.........thats when I'll look INTO port matching, headers and such.

Anyone have the DROP on header production? How about Hypertech's reprogrammer...........anyone talk to them yet?

[MomsR/T]

C4.........when Lee and I talked on the phone I told him that the 160 amp alt was a NO-GO so while I wanted as small of a crank pulley as I could get, We had to address the ALT.

Lee agreed, so he was talking about making a set. Its too soon to say what the measurments would be, but he said he could undrive everything else BUT the alt if we wanted to. Once again, until he see's what he is working with its all speculation.

And yes, I was thinking about letting my ALT guy down the road take a look at this ALT to see if he had seen this particular one before. He is the best ALT guy I have ever met. He could tell me how it can improved, amped up, and so on. Even without the pulley I am interested in amping up the ALT.


There is another thing no one has spoken of that I have been looking at............the rear gears. Has anyone looked at what gears we have? 2.95's......WTF?!?!?!?


I could not believe it.......this thing must have a top end like a rocket ship. Does anyone know what rear end this thing has? Is it Dodge? Does it mess up the CPU if you swap in 3.55 gears?

Healthy bench racing here........lol.

[billapex]

There is another thing no one has spoken of that I have been looking at............the rear gears. Has anyone looked at what gears we have? 2.95's......WTF?!?!?!?
2.82s, beilieve it or not. Gears such as 3.55s would be incredible :shock: , but you'd also have to have a device to recal the speedo. Something like the Abbott Electronic Ratio Adapter may work. http://www.atrol.com/cx_era.htm#era We used them with great success at the Mustang performance shop I used to own in California.

[one_raven]

I am surprised that they (Auto Specialties) don't just buy a Magnum.
If they are really that big, they have the revenue (and it's tax deductible) and I would imagine they would want to test it to advertise the gains and such.

[MomsR/T]

Raven....GREAT THOUGHT. ASP could buy 1 of every car thats on a completely new platform. Take this year for example! Lee Cooper could buy an R/T, new 3 valveMustang new 6.0 SD Ford Truck, this last years Lightning and Cobra, 350Z and hope its the same as the G35s, whatever the Crossfire is running now, he could under drive the new 2.5 Subaru and the Turbo 2.0, and so on and so on...........

Naw.........I don't think Lee would buy a whole car to make 1 pulley. Not to mention that he would have to make a capital expense of $34,000 to make one pulley when March would make a capital expense of $250 for one of ASP pulleys.......which side of that deal would you like to be on?

As far as gear swaps...........I am very interested in it and yes, something would need to be done with the CPU. I will be more interested in doing this when Hypertech gets an OBD II reprogramer that makes this job ALOT easier as well as firming up my shifts and can bump up my timing.

[Rev.Hammer]

Also, let us not forget that ouside of major power adders like superchargers, cams, heads. ets, the elite of the horsepower wars become that way by finding a few horsepower here and there all over the place and soon there is a major difference to be reckoned with.
NASCAR engineers find 3 hp lurking here, 4 hiding there and voila they have a 10-20 horse advantage and then some.

[MomsR/T]

Exactly my thought Hammer............

Its so funny, I even have another neighbor whoes son works as a parts guy at NW DOdge here in Houston (5 star). He can't even get me the "tool" to CHECK the transmission level. They do not SHOW it as a part that can be ordered. HOWEVER, there has got to be an answer out there somewhere.........Mercedes has pulled this crap for years. A few of their models don't even come with an oil dip stick. REDICULOUS!

This parts guy I know even says that while the pully shows a part # it can not be ordered as an over the counter. They label this as a STAR PART, which means only the service guys can ORDER it for a car thats BROKE and they want to know why and how it broke.

They claim it to protect quality........ASP claims its to control after market............when I think how hard it is to CHECK my own trans fluid level, it hard for me to believe it all about quality!

[one_raven]

MomsR/T,
That's not at all what I said nor what I meant.
It seems to me that a $32,000 investment (which would be tax deductible as an R&D expense wouldn't be too much of an up front investment for such a company if this part is that hard to get and it meant they would be the first on the market with the part.
They would easily recoup on their expenses if they are that good, that big and the first out the door with a quality part.
They could build an RT, put the pulley (and whetever other aftermarket parts they might offer) slap their name on it and trounce a few cars at local tracks and such.

If they are not willing to foot the bill for a new RT, I'm sure there are plenty of guys at local tracks that would give up their car for a few weeks and be willing to put a sticker on their car in exchange for a free pulley setup.

[MomsR/T]

Raven, I know I come across as a smarty pants (smart @$$), so I apologise.

As a business owner I can tell you that buying a car to make a part is not a business move. ESP. considering the part will cost $200 to $250.......Lee COoper makes parts to make money. Lee would have to sell 142+ just to get his money back not to mention if the part is marginalized 100%, he would have to sell 284 before he broke even!

To sell 284 just to break even is a risk I would not advise esp. when this car is a rare as hens teeth. Are there 284 folks out there that want a pulley? Then figue before you can sell 100, March (the second largest company) will have bought your pulley then copied it for a whooping $225 capital investment.........they need to sell 3 before they see profit while my firend Lee still needs to sell more than double what he already sold JUST to get his money back!

Not wize!

I am sure it would be smarter to find a parts guy that wants to make a few bucks to get ASP one.......or a dude that already had his car apart to send ASP his in ORDER to get a free one before anyone else has one.

Believe me when I tell you Lee is not loosing sleep over the pulley for this one car........he won't sell a ton of them right away. I want one more than he wants to sell them, and I figure guys on this site will want them as well.

Its the same for the Cold Fussion N2O setup.............when I spend some more time with it, the kit that Mike will offer will be a plug and play.........I'll be able to tell you how much you can spray it before it gets wierd, or tranny issues, or whatever.

I saw Flux's exhaust the other day.......I want to exper. on a few ideas I have after seeing his.......I'll report on that as well after I do mine!