anyone using a 17" drag radial or slick?

[Hurst Equipped]

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[HEMI~C~]

Mickey Thompson ET Street...275/40/17 totally kicks ass...aprox 12in wide footprint. I mounted them on some cheap cragar steelies.

I went from having to smoke the hell out of my BFG 245/40/18 DR's and pedal them out of the hole..... to just cleaning off the ET Streets with a couple dry hops and then being able to nail the throttle out of the hole.

My last 10 60's have been between 1.75 - 1.79

Be warned, you will need 6200 shift points with these tires to ensure you stay in 3rd gear.

[Redfox0099]

It has been confirmed the SRTs can run the 17" rim on the rear hasn't it...a Cragar if I remember....

Can anyone confirm...

[mcshocks]

Mickey Thompson ET Street...275/40/17 totally kicks ass...aprox 12in wide footprint. I mounted them on some cheap cragar steelies.

I went from having to smoke the hell out of my BFG 245/40/18 DR's and pedal them out of the hole..... to just cleaning off the ET Streets with a couple dry hops and then being able to nail the throttle out of the hole.

My last 10 60's have been between 1.75 - 1.79

Be warned, you will need 6200 shift points with these tires to ensure you stay in 3rd gear.


Any links to the rims you use? I worry about the R/T brake clearance but obviously a few have 17's running without issues.

[Redfox0099]

I heard trhe M&H ones were pretty good... PowerWagon knows about all this.

[obiwan]

I checked summit racing and did not find the crager steelies you were speaking of. You have a location to purchase these from?

I have a feeling I'm going to need a set of these soon...

[Hemi31]

It has been confirmed the SRTs can run the 17" rim on the rear hasn't it...a Cragar if I remember....

Can anyone confirm...yeah.....we test fitted Powerwagons old Cragers on my car.It was very close but it fit.

[Hemi31]

I checked summit racing and did not find the crager steelies you were speaking of. You have a location to purchase these from?

I have a feeling I'm going to need a set of these soon...
Summit didn't have them huh?These are the steel Cragers from Summit......It's a 4 1/2 bolt circle....maybe thats why you didn't see them.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1∂=CRR%2D3988912&N=700+4294923107+4294923105+400292+4294793320+4294 795022+4294755963+4294755966+4294911383+115&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=CRR%2D3988912&N=700+4294923107+4294923105+400292+4294793320+4294 795022+4294755963+4294755966+4294911383+115&autoview=sku)

[Redfox0099]

So Erik if I order the ones on the page you just posted those will fit on my SRT-8?? Correct?

[Hemi31]

I am 99% sure that is the same size as the ones we stuck on my car.PM Powerwagon to verify.

[obiwan]

Summit didn't have them huh?These are the steel Cragers from Summit......It's a 4 1/2 bolt circle....maybe thats why you didn't see them.
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1∂=CRR%2D3988912&N=700+4294923107+4294923105+400292+4294793320+4294 795022+4294755963+4294755966+4294911383+115&autoview=sku (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=CRR%2D3988912&N=700+4294923107+4294923105+400292+4294793320+4294 795022+4294755963+4294755966+4294911383+115&autoview=sku)

I searched 5 on 115, that is why I didn't find them, thanks for the linkage :thumbs_u:

[obiwan]

I am 99% sure that is the same size as the ones we stuck on my car.PM Powerwagon to verify.

Items in cart = 4
Finger on place order button, waiting on Powerwagon to confirm.

[Redfox0099]

Items in cart = 4
Finger on place order button, waiting on Powerwagon to confirm.


I think the fit on the rear of the R/T and SRT...not sure on the front..you might not need 4.

[Redfox0099]

Part #ItemPriceQtyPriceCRR-3988912 Wheel, Soft 8, Steel, Chrome, 17 in. x 9 in., 5 x 4.5 in. Bolt Circle, 5 in. Backspace,

Each $94.95

Total:$189.90

Handling Charge:$10.95

Total Order:$200.85

[Redfox0099]

http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/performance_tires/


A Sticky Situation
Follow Along As We Debunk The Myths, Bring You The Facts, And Give You The Skinny On Straight-Line–Oriented Performance Tires

[Redfox0099]

What height tire do we need to have...I remember something about the wrong tire height freaks the computer out.

[Hemi31]

use a 275/50/17 from M&H.That is a 28" tall tire.

[lafrad]

I have the M&H Tires.

Only needed 1 smokey burnout to keep traction (clean the rubber off on there that had stickum and such).

They grab so much that if I am not in the water box, I WILL NOT spin the tires on a brakestand... I will just push the front tires along....

[InferAl]

he's probably using something with a 4 1/2" bolt circle. i have seen guys using newer mustang wheels. i plan on using the stock sxt 17" rims on mine.

The problem with that is how wide can you go. That is what I ran into with the stock R/T rims

[lafrad]

I think the best you can do for the front is an 18" wheel... as they are already pretty close to interferring with the brakes.

Probably a stock wheel with a narrow profile 18" snow tire or something should work pretty well...

[obiwan]

I think the fit on the rear of the R/T and SRT...not sure on the front..you might not need 4.

2 tires + 2 rims = 4 items in cart :)

[HEMI~C~]

The fit on the cragar steel wheels is pretty tight but the 17x9 and 5 x 4.5 does fit quite well. But let me warn you they are the heaviest wheel I have EVER lifted. I will be swapping mine out for some alloys soon. They have to weigh 35-40lbs each...no kidding.

Tony, I have the second tire listed the ET Street Radial. Hook like glue. I don't know of anything in between unless you want to step it up to a 18in tire and get something like the BFG 265/45/18 that RobAGD had on his car. They looked pretty sweet as I recall. But there is no comparison to how the tires stick. BFG are ok..but more or less a street tire....ET streets are unbelievable as are the M&H's due to the fact that it is drag tire compound with a couple grooves cut/molded in.

If you are shifting at 6200 then stick to a 26 in tire...our cars NEED that extra gearing to get out of the hole and unless you are running 114mph or so in 1/4 then they will keep you right at the top of third gear. If you prefer to shift at 5700 then you may want to get it closer to 27.5 to stay in third but it will be at the sacrifice of ET.

[Hemi31]

chris, i found some Hoosier R6 tires in 245/45-17, 255/45-17, and 275/40-17. i don't know how well this tires stick.Those are road corse tires.....they won't stick to good for drag racing.

[chryslerking]

I bought the 265/40/18 B.F.G.drag radials because I have read that a 26.2'' tall tire should put me through the top of the track at 5900/6000 rpm but that never happened it goes through the top at 5200/5300 with no better 60 foot (199) same as the contis.... am I missing something? Do I need a cam change(sidewinder/comp260) to get it to rev quicker?My 300c is stock and has run a best of 13.64 at 101.92 on the stock contis but no improvement with this tire change other than more consistent 60' times.I hope I'm not thread robbing but this looked like a good chance to get some answers.They do fit the stock wheels really well and I lost 25 lbs with this swap.

[Redfox0099]

But there is no comparison to how the tires stick. BFG are ok..but more or less a street tire....ET streets are unbelievable as are the M&H's due to the fact that it is drag tire compound with a couple grooves cut/molded in.

So the Micky Thompsons ET Streets are the best??? Or are the M&Hs?

Which have the best stick?

[Redfox0099]

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/KeywordSearchCmd?storeId=10001&catalogId=10002&langId=-1&N=0&Ntt=drag+tire&Ntk=all&Nty=1&D=drag+tire&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchall&Dx=mode%2Bmatchall&searchTerm=drag+tire


Which ones?

[Redfox0099]

so the 275/50/17s for my HP/Weight will be the right selection...good to know. I ordered the 17" Cragars..should be here about the time the half shafts are out.

Here is a link to the tire:

http://www.mandhtires.com/store.php?crn=70&rn=294&action=show_detail

[Redfox0099]

MY M&H 17" tires will be here tomorrow...Around $600 for the 17" Cragar's and M&H tires...

And another $2000 for the half shafts...boy this is getting expensive.

[obiwan]

for your car, i would go with the 28" tall M&H racemasters in a 275/50-17. mickey thompson doesn't have that size. they have a 275/40-17 that is 26" tall.
So how does one select a tire height, would I be better served with a 26" or a 28"? I'll have 6250 rpm shift points with 6800 rpm red lines.

[RobAGD]

Obi to give you an idea on BBH's car we put my 26.4 BFG's 265 40 18 I think maybe 265 45 18.

Anywho, with his PCM / TCM Cat Back and AirRaid and tstat I was crossing the 1/4 mile right at the shift point of the car ( raced it in D )

That was a 300 SRT8, the 2nd step in the ESP off worked fine, no limp mode

Now he has a 28 tall 305 40 18 I think in the nitto tire, with the cam and head work he is getting close to 3rd gear shift, he has a bit more left.

Also I was getting just a smidge of tire squeel on teh 265's on launch leavig at about 1000-1500 rpm

So you have to figure where your car is power wise and where your going to end up and select the tire on that to keep you in 3rd in the lights.

-R

[obiwan]

While BBH's gearing is different, power wise we will be close enough, based on the builders calculations I'll be making peak power at 5800 - 6000 shifting at 6250. I guess best case is to run on my street tires to see approximately where I am RPM wise at the end of the run.

[HEMI~C~]

Guys, IMHO 5.7 cars are generally going to need one of two size tires if we are talking about optimizing 1/4 mile times.

5700 shift points: 26.4'' tire or in vicinity of.
6200 shift points: 25.7'' tire

I don't drive my DR's on the street at all so I am throwing aesthetics out the window here...(my car looks funny as hell with 25.7 in tires in the rear and 28 in SRT8 wheels in front). Anything bigger than what is listed above and I am confident you are leaving 60' and therefore ET on the table...period.

Depending on your 1/4 mph you will likely be able to use the 25.7 tire with the factory 5800 shift points until you put a cam/heads or other serious mods causing a serious increase in top end mph, putting you into 4th. At that point 6200 shift points are likely more suited for the combination anyways.

Track time has shown me that even with the stock cam it was advantageous to run the smaller tire and shift at 6200 rpm, allowing the car to get its big self up and out of the hole, keeping the car as close to the top of third as possible.

[obiwan]

I'm not running a 5.7 but let us keep that part on the QT.

[T-Rex R/T]

I'm glad I found this thread. I've been looking for what wheel tire combination to run at the track for a few months.
Couple of quick questions - I have an 06 Daytona
*Can I run 17" wheels on the rear and what offset? (I will only consider the 5X115 bolt pattern). I think the answer is yes if I read the previous post right.
*What tire can I run that gets me at the 25.7" height that Hemi C references above? (I am running a SC 91 tune with reduced torque mgmt and raised shift points - I'm also running nitrous with a window switch set at 2800 - 5900 so I'm thinking that'll keep me in 3rd with a few hundred RPM to spare at the top).
All I've run so far are the stock 18" wheels with stock Mich Pilots. As most of you probably know - wheel spin city, especially if the nitrous hits before the tires settle in and grip!!

[Redfox0099]

Just got my M&H 17" tires in...sitting next to one of my spares.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/redfox0099/CIMG1667.jpg

They wrote "Nathan Good luck" on them :) (yes I know they probably write that on everyone's tire)

But why did they put and L and R on them....is there a left and right tire for drag tires?

[Hemi31]

Yeah.....the arrows in the tread point the way the tire rotates.

[lafrad]

They are directional, but if they are mounted on rims already, there is only one way they will work...

[Redfox0099]

Yeah.....the arrows in the tread point the way the tire rotates.


No I get that, but why L and R....? Look they wrote it on the tire

[Hemi31]

Belts are probably orientated for rotation so the side wall can wrinkle yet remain DOT certified.

[themongrel]

I just ran out an hour ago and bought a set of Nitto Extreme Drag Radels (274/40/17s) for a killer $145 ea from Discount. I can wait to pull the 20s off and mount up the full set of stock 17's (if these will fit on the rim, they may be to wide!!). If it works I hope she should run deep in the 13s!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/themongrel/nitto.jpg

[HEMI~C~]

Factory rim...yikes! I got to see that.

[FactoryD]

I'm glad I found this thread. I've been looking for what wheel tire combination to run at the track for a few months.
Couple of quick questions - I have an 06 Daytona
*Can I run 17" wheels on the rear and what offset? (I will only consider the 5X115 bolt pattern). I think the answer is yes if I read the previous post right.
*What tire can I run that gets me at the 25.7" height that Hemi C references above? (I am running a SC 91 tune with reduced torque mgmt and raised shift points - I'm also running nitrous with a window switch set at 2800 - 5900 so I'm thinking that'll keep me in 3rd with a few hundred RPM to spare at the top).
All I've run so far are the stock 18" wheels with stock Mich Pilots. As most of you probably know - wheel spin city, especially if the nitrous hits before the tires settle in and grip!!

I'm running my stock 18" RT wheel wrapped in BFG 275/35/18 tires for a diameter of 25.6" on the rears and stock RT wheels with stock Goodyears on the front.

To run this combo, you will need a way to turn off ESP completely (NoESP, GSM, etc..) or HAL will shut you down. I haven't had it happen but, I haven't taken any chances either.

I usually hit the traps right @ ~6000 RPM in 3rd.

[themongrel]

I am going to take the Nittos back, after checking the rim size vs the tire size I do not feel comfortable squeezing a tire that big on. It would suck to blow one in the lights.

[GasGunR]

any idea if those 17s fit over the rear brembos yet on an srt?i got the MT 275/40-17 tires today. man are these things short. i will get them mounted on the stock rims and see what they look like then.

i may have to get the M&H 275/50-17 like Nat has. this way i can do back to back runs at the track with the two different size tires and see which size is best for my combination.

[RobAGD]

Tony those dont look near 275 in width unless your running the 295 rsa's

When are you hitting the track ?

-R

[obiwan]

My tires showed up today :) Going to get them mounted tomorrow, why, I don't know...

[Redfox0099]

Got mine mounted on the 17" Cragar rims today but HOLY SH!T they were difficult to get on and a BIATCH to get off...they fit over the studs but I am going to need to hone the bolt holes out about 1MM more...

They do clear the Caliper though.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/redfox0099/CIMG1687.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/redfox0099/CIMG1688.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/redfox0099/CIMG1689.jpg

[HEMI~C~]

Lets see some pics Tony!!!!!!

Chris

[Redfox0099]

Lets see some pics Tony!!!!!!

Chris
What....my pics are not good enough for ya???? :Na_Na_Na_Na:

[HEMI~C~]

Sorry... I was in the middle of posting when your pics came up :)

So how do they hook Red?

Chris

[Redfox0099]

.......um...I'll let you know when my half shafts get put on next month...I don't have a death wish to break ANOTHER half shaft ya know.


No really, these were a BIATCH to get off, the bolt pattern is correct but a little...I don't know the word for it but just plain tight...it took hitting the tire from the backside with a hammer to get them it off the studs.

[FactoryD]

Those look even goofier than my DRs! LOL.

Good luck. I hope they work for ya.

[Hemi31]

YEah the holes are tight.They get better every time you mount them.Don't take too much material when you open them up or you will have a problem.And don't use the stock lugs with them either.

[Redfox0099]

I use the aftermarket Black Chrome Lugnuts.... can I us my stock ones still for the drag tires (I did notice the lugnut got chewed up putting it on.)

[Hemi31]

If you use the stock one the studs will push the caps off of them.

[Redfox0099]

Oh, so I need new lugnuts huh...guess I will hit Discount Tire up for them too.

The Cragar wheels were on backorder thru Summit till sometime next month, I went into my Discount Tire and they ordered them right up and got them 3 days later.

[Bo]

.......um...I'll let you know when my half shafts get put on next month...I don't have a death wish to break ANOTHER half shaft ya know.


If we are swapping the 1/2 shafts at the M&G, then you might as well try to break the stock ones at the track the night before......
Bring the tires to Houston!

--Bo

[Redfox0099]

They are in the car....guess we will see how my stock ones do :)