Rear Strut Bar

[Hemi_charger]

Alright Guys the rear one is done man you can deffenatly feel it in the corners. We made it with Clevis’s spelling ?? for a couple reasons one you only have to gut a slit in the factory carpet 2 you can un bolt the bar quickly for luggage and or anything you put in the trunk. The Clevises are approved by most racing sanctions for roll cages so there nice and strong. Here’s some bad pics form my cell my battery on my camera was dead.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070828.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070828a.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070828b.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070829.jpg

[Cam]

Dude, your all over this. nice job, looks good.

[10_35z]

Was it a universal kit or made for an LX. Also, did you have to weld the bracket on?

[Hemi_charger]

We built it off my charger. and no, no welding it on you just bolt it on. I have to test fit it on a 300 and a mag still though. I dont forsee any big issue

Thanks Cam! I gotta couple more things up my sleeve!

[jasonr_01]

:popcorn:

very nice, can't wait to see what comes of the fitment on the magnum. keep up the good work.

[Super T]

We built it off my charger. and no, no welding it on you just bolt it on. I have to test fit it on a 300 and a mag still though. I dont forsee any big issue

Thanks Cam! I gotta couple more things up my sleeve!

The tab is bolted on??????? You have pics of where/how?

[Hemi Mag]

The tab is bolted on??????? You have pics of where/how?

My guess would be the rear strut towers.


I would be curious to see how this is executed in a magnum as the whole rearend is plastic inside.

AC

[1fastsedan]

My guess would be the rear strut towers.


I would be curious to see how this is executed in a magnum as the whole rearend is plastic inside.

AC

I see a Dremel in your future...

[Hemi_charger]

yes it bolts up to the Strut. Ill pull the carpet down tonight and take a pic. as for the mag yeah youd have to dremal a slot out for it. I should have one tested out by the weekend

[Redfox0099]

and the advantage of this...sorry, I am ignorant to what this does?

[Cam]

and the advantage of this...sorry, I am ignorant to what this does?


Coat hanger rack. :)






For those of us with discerning tastes.

[Hemi_charger]

[quote=Cam;820011]Coat hanger rack. :)


We said a shower Curtain rod


It reinforces the car where the struts bolt up. bascially it reduces the flex at that point.

[Cam]

[quote=Hemi_charger;820040 We said a shower Curtain rod
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Man you got a big trunk.

[Redfox0099]

...flexing how.....is it deal with handling side to side or back to front?

[1fastsedan]

...flexing how.....is it deal with handling side to side or back to front?

Side to side. The top of your shocks on all 4 corners attach to the unibody. Because its a unibody, it has some flex to it. When the body flexes in a curve the unloaded spot should rise (even if its only a little), this reduces the weight/contact patch on the that tire. By adding additional bracing across the front and rear shocks, you reduce that unloaded lift and maintain a more even pressure on the tires. The benefits will primarily be seen/felt when cornering.

Cam or anybody else, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Super T]

You got it right 1fastsedan... but if you jack up the car at the rear jacking point the front wheel comes off the ground too... I don't think our cars have a problem with stiffness! The only guys that **need** these are the guys that hack away their roof bracing to put in panoramic sunroofs.

[1fastsedan]

You got it right 1fastsedan... but if you jack up the car at the rear jacking point the front wheel comes off the ground too... I don't think our cars have a problem with stiffness! The only guys that **need** these are the guys that hack away their roof bracing to put in panoramic sunroofs.

The Magnums might not as they have more body in the rear, but when you push these pigs around a track you can really feel them flex. At California Speedway with my stock suspension, there were a few corners where the understeer and lift of the rear inside tire were very noticeable. Plus, they're relatively cheap mods with little downside.

[Cam]

I watched these thing flex many times on the track and in the mountains. They flex, no if-ands-or buts about it.

[Super T]

I could still be high on fiberglass and spraypaint... but what about a flexible frame would cause the inside wheel to lift? The lifting is due to a stiff sway bar and/or (relatively) weak springs.

I don't know, I sure won't argue that the cars flex some... just not enough for me to want to install this. Absolutely just my opinion, which should mean nothing to any of you. I'm just bored and typing :wink:

[bklynmag]

If nothing else, it will give my mother in law something to hang on to since I make her ride in the back of the mag!!:rock:

[Cam]

I could still be high on fiberglass and spraypaint...


Hey bud, I could use a hit of that myself right now...............pass that thing this way!!.




Fact is that the geometry was designed for a complaint ride, not the race track. Body flex if sufficient will allow the mounts to move and will change the actual geometry of the suspension components. We're not talking much, but even a degree or more of camber can make all the difference in the world sometimes. Not to mention should the car twist, that can change caster and increase or decease your turn in.

I know this sounds picky, but sometimes it's the details that make the difference.

Now should someone really be interested in determining just how much flex there is in the back of our cars. Here's my suggestion: (Magnum only)

Mount a bar across the top with two downward facing bars. This is to be fixed to the roof support somehow. Drill guide holes into the bottom portion of the two bars, parrallel to the fixture. Route a round bar through the holes horizontally. Attach two slides on either side of the vertical bars. These slides should have enough resistance to lateral movement that hard corning will not make them move. Fix the bottom bar across the bottom of the wheel wells or if possible lower on the base metal.

Now in hard corning, the roof structure will twist in relation to the bottom bar mounts. The amount of movement will be transmitted to the vertical bars and they will move the guides that were placed on the lower bar. This will give you some idea of how much twist actually exists.

Then add the brace across the shock mounts and do it again. That'll tell ya if the brace really works or not.

So for any of you that have just way too much time on your hands, let me know if it works.



I know this sounds like a total stoner idea......................but hey, a spades a spade. :mrgreen:

[Walt SRT8]

So for any of you that have just way too much time on your hands, let me know if it works.



I know this sounds like a total stoner idea......................but hey, a spades a spade. :mrgreen:


CAM..Did you get into the STASH again?...........:banana:
(PS I like the idea, I just want a big fatty instead of a pinner strut bar in the trunk. Nice work on the bar.)

[MAGFX]

and the advantage of this...sorry, I am ignorant to what this does?
When you throw her (ex, mother-in-law, etc.) in the trunk, she has something to hang on to!:mrgreen:

Edit: Bklymag beat me to it! Good minds think alike!...or bad minds.:blam:

[Cam]

oh, Oh, OH!!.........man what a head rush.

Charger, you already have the brackets in place. This will be easy buddy. Make one side up and the other side with a smaller bar that fits inside the other bar, ya know a slide. Install a slide ring on the smaller bar like what I described and take her out and see how much movement there is. That'll be easy.









Ok, I'm exhaling now.........:roll:

[MAGFX]

Good one Cam!

[esv]

This is awesome, this is the first I have heard of anyone attempting to fab one for us. Yes, I agree, this may be an item not needed by all, but this has been an item I am been waiting for. do you have plans on release it. If so can one be made without the quick release? it would seen to allow more flex, which would work against the concept.

Also it should be an inexpensive item, but what is your planned target?

[Stumbo]

oh, Oh, OH!!.........man what a head rush.

Charger, you already have the brackets in place. This will be easy buddy. Make one side up and the other side with a smaller bar that fits inside the other bar, ya know a slide. Install a slide ring on the smaller bar like what I described and take her out and see how much movement there is. That'll be easy.

Now thats a good way to measure how much flexing the brace should stop!

These cars definitely flex. I use to drive a 70 camaro that would always get bad cracks at the top back corner of the door windows, every since then I have been paranoid about flexing frames and what the long term damage would be.....

I look forward to installing one of these along with a front brace.

[36 chambers]

Alright Guys the rear one is done man you can deffenatly feel it in the corners. We made it with Clevis’s spelling ?? for a couple reasons one you only have to gut a slit in the factory carpet 2 you can un bolt the bar quickly for luggage and or anything you put in the trunk. The Clevises are approved by most racing sanctions for roll cages so there nice and strong. Here’s some bad pics form my cell my battery on my camera was dead.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070828.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070828a.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070828b.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0412070829.jpg
awsome i want one how can we do this????

[Hemi_charger]

ok Guys after a day of beating on my car these things deffenatly help out you can actualy feel it in day to day driving Cam Ill try to see if I can get the flex messured or

maybe rickie an ronnies meet ill unbolt mine and put on someones car for a test spin

the prices for the front and rear are kinda high right now(front 300-350 rear 200) since we can only buy small amounts of material instead of a big purchase like a big company but I am trying to work with a vendor here to purchase a bunch to help drive the cost down But also remember there made completly of chromemoly not just steel

also on the front bar you may notice the three pipes that the studs for the shox go through we made the holes bigger so that come alignment time you can still adjust the shox to fin tune the suspension I dont think the other bar allows for that but Im not sure

The front one might change a lil theres about 22 pieces to it and that s a lot of welding so also just some small things we want to change

Thanks for all the positive feed back everyone Im an honest person and I love to mod my charger! also if anyone wants to try mine out I have no problem bolting mine on your car as long as your local!

[Carfinish]

Now thats a good way to measure how much flexing the brace should stop!

These cars definitely flex. I use to drive a 70 camaro that would always get bad cracks at the top back corner of the door windows, every since then I have been paranoid about flexing frames and what the long term damage would be.....

I look forward to installing one of these along with a front brace.


totally agree that these cars flex....Magnums more so....I know of a mag that has a stress crack in paint right at bottom of "C" pillar....at the door jamb.....that bar should definitely help

Bars Look great Hemi_Charger....congrats

[moparman53]

Does all this mean that a car with a actual frame and body wouldn't flex as much as our unibodiy?

[Hemi_charger]

Does all this mean that a car with a actual frame and body wouldn't flex as much as our unibodiy?


yes that is correct

[esv]

yeah, but unless you buy a truck you are not going to get a car, unless used that has a full sub-frame. I think all cars are unibody, please correct me if I am wrong. this is this the next best way to achieve that type of stiffness.

Great work!

[TsInferno]

yeah, but unless you buy a truck you are not going to get a car, unless used that has a full sub-frame. I think all cars are unibody, please correct me if I am wrong. this is this the next best way to achieve that type of stiffness.

Great work!



Yep....and the car would increase in weight.

[Hemi_charger]

heres some pics of the bar installed with out the carpet

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0418071346.jpg


http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0418071345a.jpg

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h208/nosfiend/strut%20bar/0418071345.jpg

[Cam]

Very sweet, simple and effective.

[Hemi_charger]

Thanks man that plate is also made from chromemoly that bar doesnt move at all!!

[Cam]

Thanks man that plate is also made from chromemoly that bar doesnt move at all!!

Cool, but you better ditch the stainless hardware if your that concerned. It does not have very good shear strength, looks bitching, and I'll be using the same thing, but it lacks. hahahahah, picky prick huh!!. :wink:

[Hemi_charger]

Hey cam I gotta get in touch with you. I have some questions I think josh gave u a heads up

[F1fan]

These are very cool guys.
Having the tower strut in the rear of the Magnum.......must have !!!

[Super T]

What's to stop that skinny plate from just bending at the end of the clevis? (Hi, Devil's Advocate here, nice to meet you :-p)

[Cam]

What's to stop that skinny plate from just bending at the end of the clevis? (Hi, Devil's Advocate here, nice to meet you :-p)


The deflection force is not that great. If it were our bodies would be twisting like a ringed out shammy.