What about mods?

[Warlord187]

I was thinking about potential mods for the Magnum. The Magnum will use the 2.7L V6, the 3.5L V6, and the 5.7L HEMI V8. All three of these engines are currently being used in other vehicles, or are they?

2.7L V6

This engine is currently used in the Concorde, Intrepid, Stratus, and Seabring. However, the eninge in the Concorde/Intrepid is mounted differently than the Stratus/Seabring. There is virtually nothing available in the way of mods for the Concorde/Intrepid. I believe there are a few more mods available for the Stratus/Seabring, but I'm not sure.

So how is the engine going to be mounted in the Magnum? Will any currently mods out there work with the Magnum? Is there any big changes between the existing engine and the one for the Magnum?

3.5L V6

This engine is currently used in the 300M and Intrepid. It was previously used in the Prowler and LHS. It's cousin, the 3.2L V6 (which is basically the same engine as the 3.5L V6), was used in the Concorde and Intrepid.

Like the 2.7L V6, there is little in the way of aftermarket mods for the 3.5L V6.

So how is the engine going to be mounted in the Magnum? Will any currently mods out there work with the Magnum? Is there any big changes between the existing engine and the one for the Magnum?

5.7L HEMI V8

This engine is currently being offered in the Ram and the Durango.

As for currently available mods, I'm not sure what's out there.

Like the other two engines, how will the HEMI be mounted in the Magnum? Will any current mods work with the Magnum? I do know that the HEMI will now have cylinder deactivation. Was there any major changes to this engine versus the HEMI in the Ram and Durango?


It seems that Daimler-Chrysler isn't as open to revealing their souce code unlike Ford and Chevy. Kenne-Bell has been working on a supercharger for the Ram for some time now. But, due to the problems with computer calibration/souce code, they haven't been able to introduce a SC yet.

Is the thinking at DC going to change in regards to the source code? If not, I fear that there will be little in the way of mods for any of these engines, especially the HEMI, since many companies can't or won't go through the trouble of trying to crack the codes.

What are your thoughts?

^chase

[DMAG]

Well, its safe to assume that all the engines will be mounted North - South in reference to the driveline.

Headers? Dual exhaust systems? CAI? Who knows?

I think the majority of the aftermarket support will be thrown at the Hemi and virtually nothing at the V6's. Kind of the mindset of the V6 to V8 Mustang aftermarket...yeah, there's a little V6 support, but there's books and books of enhancements for the 5.0 and the 4.6.

Let's keep our fingers crossed!

[Capitalcity R/T]

Get a s/c 3800 grand prix gtp.. Tons of mods for those, if you want to mod. Why bother modding the hemi when its got all that power to start off with? Shave 1/10 sec off 0-60? Not worth it.

Danny Capitalcity rt
capcity gtp

[DMAG]

Get a s/c 3800 grand prix gtp.. Tons of mods for those, if you want to mod. Why bother modding the hemi when its got all that power to start off with? Shave 1/10 sec off 0-60? Not worth it.

Danny Capitalcity rt
capcity gtp

WHAT???

Where's the logic in that? Why bother modding an engine that already has a ton of power? Because you can make even more!

[Capitalcity R/T]

At what cost?

Danny

[Capitalcity R/T]

What I am doing is changing the pulley, $65.00 and CAI $200.00 Thats it. Thats all.
Cheap mods that have been available for years, and proven. The Hemi is expensive, goes fast and how much money is left over for expensive mods? Change the air induction...ok. Put on a blower...oucchhhh$$$$$$$! And wanting to change tio 22" rims and tires? Am I missing something? When did EVERYONE become rap stars?
If someone gets the hemi (dark colour, my peference ), they are already getting a handsome beast. With whats left over, there's insurance (yep, iits got a HEMI), gas (yep, its got a Hemi) (deactivation?, yea right, why mod?) and lotsa cruisin'.. Hey, that sounds like fun!
Do they make Hemi's for the GTPs? Well, I guess not but the EATON SUPERCHARGER will have to do me for now!

Let me know when you get them!

Danny

[DMAG]

Hasn't this been gone over a zillion times? I know you love your car, but every Hemi discussion doesn't have to be a GTP vs. LX debate. C'mon! :P

Heck, I can argue the same point even more confidentally. I can take my Neon and use the money saved from buying a GTP or an LX and make a car that kills both of them. AND buy another car or two.

To answer, you don't need forced air when the hp is already there (but just think if they did add one to an LX....can you say AMG eater?). All mods on top of the naturally aspirated Hemi will only make it faster and faster....just like the GTP.

Again, they already make CAI, headers and other items for the 5.7L in other applications. It'll only be matter of time before they are availble in LX form . Cheap too since all the Ram applications are alot cheaper then other comparable parts for other cars! Remember cheap mods can help out an LX just as much as a GTP.

I'm looking forward to rear end gears, exhaust systems, headers, etc.

I think the 22" wheel thing is pretty silly. I've seen big wheels on just about every car out there. Plenty of Pontiacs included.

Besides, why bother modding a GTP? All that power to start off with? :wink:

[Capitalcity R/T]

That's why I'm not jumping on the band wagon so fast! :lol:
The car is leased so I'm debating whether its worth it or not.
BTW, both are really nice, exciting 4-door performance cars and both are (will be) fun to drive.

Danny

[Warlord187]

C'mon...I mean both of the following are funny as hell, but, which is funnier....seeing a family sedan blowing away that rice rocket, or seeing a full size stationwagon blowing away that rice rocket!

:D

[minkinc]

Well according to Mopar Action (Feb 2004) the exhaust system on the HEMI Ram is very restrictive. Freeing up the flow is supposed to net 30 extra HP. This would seem to hold true for the other HEMI powered vehicles based on their stock HPs. So this would be around 370 HP and maybe over 400 lb/ft of torque. This would be a good start for any mods (if true) and is not that expensive compared to super/turbochargers and NOS systems (which need to be recharged).

[Capitalcity R/T]

Warlord wrote:
C'mon...I mean both of the following are funny as hell, but, which is funnier....seeing a family sedan blowing away that rice rocket, or seeing a full size stationwagon blowing away that rice rocket!

Well, both are equally funny. A granny grocery shopping car is eqally funny to the full size wagon. The only GTP badging is small and located on the right side on the trunk so except for the rims and red calipers, no one would be able to distinguish the GTP from the base GPs. But blowing away rice is good anytime. I think a rice sandwich would taste fine right now, don't you think?

Danny

[MagnumR/T]

burning a ricer, mmmmmmmmmm goooooooooodddddddddddddddd

[Hersbird]

I'm new here but have been a Hemi Ram owner for over a year now. I really want to get a new Magnum (or maybe Charger) but think I'll wait till I can get a 1-2 year old Magnum and not take such a big hit on the Ram!

As far as 5.7 mods, here is some things I have learned from mulitple web boards. There are CAI kits, headers, both long and short (they will need to be re-designed to fit the LX though), a camshaft, better torque converter (again wrong for the MB tranny in the LX though), head porting services, and all kinds of aftermarket exhausts. There are a few companies close to getting a good programmer, and even a rumored MP PCM and injector kit directly from Mopar. There is a aftermarket turbo up and running, and the blowers (Paxon and Kenne-bell) are supposed to be close (although that has been the story for the last year!). Where the Hemi Ram get's good gains is by disabling the torque managment (only on 2003 models is this currently possible), this is good for up to 1/2 sec in the 1/4 mile. Losing the massivly heavy 20" wheels for aftermarket ones, or just the stock 17's. The cat has proven to be quite a bottle neck, and the removal along with a better muffler (or even no muffler) is good for up to .4 sec in the 1/4 mile. A good showroom stock, regular cab 2wd Ram is capable of high 14 sec 1/4 mile runs and weighs about 5000 pounds. The Magnum with 1000 less pounds should be good for low 14's stock but who knows what the gearing and computer will actually produce. The simple mods listed above, along with some old drag racer tips and weight loss has blasted a Hemi Ram to 13.71 @ 99 MPH (not mine, but I can be hopeful!). That was on $100 worth of mods, and pretty much bone stock looking truck. By simple caculations that means his Hemi is making about 360 HP to the wheels, a gain of about 80 over stock. These kinds of mods on the Magnum should go even faster, especially considering that Rams light back end is really starting to be the limiting factor.

The turbo Hemi is waiting on dyno numbers, but it is running with modded LS1 vetts good for mid 12's in the 1/4 mile, probably about 430 HP to the wheels. That kit is just over $4000 installed!

[thehemi]

#1 thing I would do with a 300C/Mangnum RT would be gears.
#2 thing is wait patiently for someone to develop a programmer.
345-hp is nothing compared to that engines potential. We just
need to see a re-programmer for the SD unit and we're golden.
(I am assuming the car 5.7 is SD just like the truck 5.7 motor...)

[Mr. DODGE]

I'm just gonna CRUIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I am wondering why the Durango 5.7 HEMI has 335hp,
the Magnum 5.7 HEMI has 340hp and
the Ram 5.7 HEMI has 345hp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :?

WAZZUP WIT DAT???????????

[93EagleVisionTSi]

Again, they already make CAI, headers and other items for the 5.7L in other applications. It'll only be matter of time before they are availble in LX form . Cheap too since all the Ram applications are alot cheaper then other comparable parts for other cars!

Anything other than engine and transmission internals will take longer or even forever to translate to LX form. Look at the Prowler and LH for example. You would think that Prowler headers for the 3.5 would bolt up to an Intrepid 3.5 but they don't. The only thing we've ever received FROM Prowler developments is the Prowler Pro gears.

Maybe Mopar performance will make some Magnum performance parts though. Yeah, they might also bring AMC Eagles back. Wait, they just did....

[DMAG]

I know the drought of performance parts for the LH (been there).

But, I'm willing to bet the aftermarket jumps on a RWD V8 a bit quicker then a FWD V6.

[Jim]

A friend was watching Autoline Detroit the other night and said that someone they were inteviewing FROM Dodge said that the Magnum will come with Displacement On Demand technology. This is good FROM the stand point that its estimated to add 10MPG Highway and 2MPG City over the standard 5.7. Bad part is I bet that it makes aftermarket mods more difficult.

[JoeCool_TX]

I am looking for items for a Magnum RT like billet grills, ground effects, aftermarket sunroofs (in the event they aren't available FROM the dealer), aftermarket DVD players, etc...

[outintospace]

I used to have Grand Prix GTP. It was 1998 model, so HP was 240. Through some mods (including a smaller supercharger pulley and cold air kit), I was able to push it to 270.

Now, that's a fair amount of power, but the GTP was severely limited by its front-wheel drive. I think Brock Yates has a commentary in last months Car & Driver about the limitations of FWD in high-powered cars (some FWD autos are getting 300hp now).

I think it is pointless to compare the Magnum RT with the GTP, solely because of the RWD vs FWD factor.