Just Got Tcm Flashed

[BIGDAVE]

Let me start by say THANK YOU to Meister for finding the TSB.I found the TSB he was talking about,printed it and went to my dealer.I told them how when getting on the highway (not all the time)the car would shift to first then shift to second it would almost put me through steering wheel .They said they had done a few of these and would see if my car would take it.My build date is 05/04.When they hooked up the star scan the system said this is not an SRT so,the tech checked and in the system there was am update for my TCM(he put my TCM number in).The tech said its not a TSB but an update that is kept quite so you just have to ask about it.This was brand new and mine was done today 12/03/06.
So far it has made a major difference and is getting better.It is still learning and will update as it gets better.
BIGDAVE:racing: :racing: :hammer: :hammer:

[JonzMgnm]

Your car isn't learning while you're here posting.....logout and start driving, man! I want some 411! :mrgreen:

[BIGDAVE]

I just went for a ride and did a full converter hole shot and did a 40ft John Force burnout.The car pulled so hard that my sun (moon)roof slid open 2in.It had never done that before.WOWWOWWOW!!!
BIGDAVE:racing: :racing: :pepper: :pepper:

[Brilliant R/T]

Hey Bigdave, can you explain exactly what your RT was doing/feeling like?

[HEMI~C~]

Dave, thanks for the update and I am totally jealous man. I spent 2hrs at the dealer today, walking the tech through the update procedure only to be stymied by them not being able to connect to the big Chrysler database in the sky.

I will have to return for the update again next Monday.

I am about ready to jump on the MOPAR PERFORMANCE TCM considering its only a 90 bucks more than the flash!

Chris

[BIGDAVE]

The update is FREE!!!The service mgr has a code to submit to DCX get it paid for.
Well before there was times when I WOT getting on the highway it would shift down to 1st throw you in the seat and when it hit 5500rpm it would shift and was like I stomped on the brake peddle,almost throw me into the wheel.Then shift and throw me back.Also delay shift 1-2 normal driving.
Hope that helps,BIGDAVE:racing: :racing: :hammer:

[BIGDAVE]

Well just got home from work and I think its learning REALLY WELL!I was sitting at a light to turn left there was an arrow and the idiot in front of me stopped at the arrow,I blew the horn and just sat there.I said scr*w it and hammered it and did a PRO DRIFT around the corner.I saw a few faces with a look of OH MY GOD!!!HEHEHELOLLOLLOL!!
BIGDAVE:rock: :racing: :banana: :racing:

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

A PRO DRIFT eh? Super kewl! :)

[bellman25]

any idea if this is good for the srt8? also, whats the tsb number or what did you tell the dealer to get them to get the shifting right? thanks man!!

[BIGDAVE]

From what Meister said it didnt improve the SRT.But,helps RTs.
BIGDAVE:racing:

[Meister]

As BIGDAVE correctly related, bellman, ironically this patch, though developed for the SRT8, hasn't had widespread positive results with SRT8s (works beautifully for every 5.7 that has tried it). The good news is that the soon-to-be-released new patch for the SRT8s supposedly works very well.

Here's the original TSB: SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05)

It would certainly be worth a (free) shot trying this patch while waiting for the revised one to come out. It obviously worked with some SRT8s or it would have never been released.

[SFL SRT8]

As BIGDAVE correctly related, bellman, ironically this patch, though developed for the SRT8, hasn't had widespread positive results with SRT8s (works beautifully for every 5.7 that has tried it). The good news is that the soon-to-be-released new patch for the SRT8s supposedly works very well.

Here's the original TSB: SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05)

It would certainly be worth a (free) shot trying this patch while waiting for the revised one to come out. It obviously worked with some SRT8s or it would have never been released.


I understand the new 1-2 shift hesitation for the TSB SRT8 is due 12-22-06

[Sonny]

About 3 or 4 weeks ago my 5.7 05 "C" faltered for a second and a chime went off and an orange light came on. The next morning I brought it to the dealer and they said they downloaded the latest PCM download for torqe management. On the way home I tested the car out and couldn't believe the difference. From a standing start at idle with ESP off, flooring the car I squealed the tires over 100' and had to let off the throtle to stop the spinning. Also the car was fishtailing. The same start with ESP on still gave me about 50' of burning rubber. Before this download, my car barely would chirp the tires at WOT. The following week I brought the car in for an oil change and asked the service manager the TSB# and he said each vin# had its own TSB# and there was no standard #. All my statement said was a TSB PCM download. The sevice manager didn't make any sense to me. I believe they downloaded something that they didn't want anyone to know what it was.

[aries4life]

hmm... As easy as I spin now, I wonder if I NEED this flash...

But I WANT it none the less!!

[Meister]

I understand the new 1-2 shift hesitation for the TSB SRT8 is due 12-22-06Welcome to the forum, SFL SRT8. Thanks for the update. :thumbs_u:

That's a mighty tasty first post, BTW. Let's all hope your source has it correct. :)

[Nightshade]

About 3 or 4 weeks ago my 5.7 05 "C" faltered for a second and a chime went off and an orange light came on. The next morning I brought it to the dealer and they said they downloaded the latest PCM download for torqe management. On the way home I tested the car out and couldn't believe the difference. From a standing start at idle with ESP off, flooring the car I squealed the tires over 100' and had to let off the throtle to stop the spinning. Also the car was fishtailing. The same start with ESP on still gave me about 50' of burning rubber. Before this download, my car barely would chirp the tires at WOT. The following week I brought the car in for an oil change and asked the service manager the TSB# and he said each vin# had its own TSB# and there was no standard #. All my statement said was a TSB PCM download. The sevice manager didn't make any sense to me. I believe they downloaded something that they didn't want anyone to know what it was.

I am heading in Friday or monday for service.. need an oil change and will asking bout the poor tranny performance.. will get them to see what modules have updates available... wonder if they will cooperate..

[moparman53]

hmm... As easy as I spin now, I wonder if I NEED this flash...

But I WANT it none the less!!

Ditto. Mine will momentarily break the tires loose with ESP on. I also have the SC tuner; 91 octane, reduced torque management, and paddle hold.

[Turf]

i wonder if this a NAG1 issue, and if it would help my SXT with the 5-speed. should be the same TCM, no?

[MikeEast]

Make sure you go back to stock first! IF using the sctuner...

The sevice manager didn't make any sense to me. I believe they downloaded something that they didn't want anyone to know what it was. More likely the tech didn't document well and the SM hasn't a freaking clue what they did, and doesn't dare ask them for fear of looking like an ignorant doof.

Mike

[Nightshade]

Make sure you go back to stock first! IF using the sctuner...

More likely the tech didn't document well and the SM hasn't a freaking clue what they did, and doesn't dare ask them for fear of looking like an ignorant doof.

Mike

Seems like the dealerships know about this issue. I just heard back from my local dealership and they said they will order me the wiper stalk and will also flash my TCM when I come in for an oil change tomorrow. Didn't give me any grief whatsoever. Unfortunately I don't have time to make the trip to Eastway so I will have to just make sure these guys don't mess anything up. They are literally 1/8 mile down the road from me.. but I still prefer the 70mi drive to eastway to get things done.. :)

So from what I read... Remove Superchips tune completely.. then once they have re-flashed the TCM, I can reapply the tune and no risk of a dead stick. Maybe I can get them to install the O2 spacers for me tomorrow too.. getting sick of the CEL's.

[lafrad]

After getting the car back,
Flash with superchips then disconnect the battery / reset computers...

Let it learn from fresh with the superchips tunes in there ;-)

[Bubba's Dragon]

Ditto. Mine will momentarily break the tires loose with ESP on. I also have the SC tuner; 91 octane, reduced torque management, and paddle hold.

My RT is the same way, I feel its so gutless some times it makes me sick! I cant will try to get this done also. Thanks for the TSP INFO!

[Cdoggown]

Just called Dodge of Bellevue and our service guy said that he doesnt recommend it because it will reduce MPG and cant be set back to stock once flashed. Thoughts?

[Buz-CCC]

Went to dealer today for tranny o ring leak asked about tcm flash, they said they looked for tsb's and my car had none. I also asked about srt flash and they said it does more harm then good. I wonder if they are talking about flashing 6.1 vs 5.7 I would love to try this flash guess I will have to bust them a little and see what happens!

[Meister]

Went to dealer today for tranny o ring leak asked about tcm flash, they said they looked for tsb's and my car had none. I also asked about srt flash and they said it does more harm then good. I wonder if they are talking about flashing 6.1 vs 5.7 I would love to try this flash guess I will have to bust them a little and see what happens!Every one of the now many who have followed my success and gotten the flash will clearly state that there are NO negatives, and MANY positives to this flash.

Your dealer is either honestly confused, basing his comments on what he's heard about 6.1 results or he's simply blowing smoke to avoid work. I'd give him one more shot to get it right, then find another dealer to do it.

[Nightshade]

Well, they claim that there was no flash availble for my TCM.. but this is the same tech that charged me 45 dollars to install a pair of O2 spacers.. and I am looking at the invoice and looks like the doof installed them upstream.. I told them AFTER the cats and seems they installed them before.. whee.. my fault for using the dealership 1/8 mile from me instead of going to eastway.. wish they weren't 1.5h from here.



Every one of the now many who have followed my success and gotten the flash will clearly state that there are NO negatives, and MANY positives to this flash.

Your dealer is either honestly confused, basing his comments on what he's heard about 6.1 results or he's simply blowing smoke to avoid work. I'd give him one more shot to get it right, then find another dealer to do it.

[Meister]

Well, they claim that there was no flash availble for my TCM.. but this is the same tech that charged me 45 dollars to install a pair of O2 spacers.. and I am looking at the invoice and looks like the doof installed them upstream.. I told them AFTER the cats and seems they installed them before.. whee.. my fault for using the dealership 1/8 mile from me instead of going to eastway.. wish they weren't 1.5h from here.Print this out and take it with you, it may help:

Related 5.7 flash described here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=47708&highlight=flash, post #1: Let me start by say THANK YOU to Meister for finding the TSB.I found the TSB he was talking about,printed it and went to my dealer.I told them how when getting on the highway (not all the time)the car would shift to first then shift to second it would almost put me through steering wheel .They said they had done a few of these and would see if my car would take it.My build date is 05/04.When they hooked up the star scan the system said this is not an SRT so,the tech checked and in the system there was am update for my TCM(he put my TCM number in).The tech said its not a TSB but an update that is kept quite so you just have to ask about it.This was brand new and mine was done today 12/03/06.
So far it has made a major difference and is getting better.It is still learning and will update as it gets better.

That's from forum mate BIGDAVE, BTW.

[Nightshade]

Here is something strange though. I go to put the superchips tune back on..

E-60

So they apparently updated something..

File is 04896415AK

So have to wait 7 - 10 days for a SC update to fix this...



Print this out and take it with you, it may help:

Related 5.7 flash described here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=47708&highlight=flash, post #1: Let me start by say THANK YOU to Meister for finding the TSB.I found the TSB he was talking about,printed it and went to my dealer.I told them how when getting on the highway (not all the time)the car would shift to first then shift to second it would almost put me through steering wheel .They said they had done a few of these and would see if my car would take it.My build date is 05/04.When they hooked up the star scan the system said this is not an SRT so,the tech checked and in the system there was am update for my TCM(he put my TCM number in).The tech said its not a TSB but an update that is kept quite so you just have to ask about it.This was brand new and mine was done today 12/03/06.
So far it has made a major difference and is getting better.It is still learning and will update as it gets better.

That's from forum mate BIGDAVE, BTW.

[Johnnyvav]

It's worth it & you want it.......

Does your dealer seem scared and confused?

Tell them your get poor shift performance at WOT. Tell the dealer that you heard the TSB 18-031-05 flash solves this problem but if they know of another solution your open to suggestions.

They did charge me $89 but it was well worth the price.

[Nightshade]

It's worth it & you want it.......

Does your dealer seem scared and confused?

Tell them your get poor shift performance at WOT. Tell the dealer that you heard the TSB 18-031-05 flash solves this problem but if they know of another solution your open to suggestions.

They did charge me $89 but it was well worth the price.

Supposed to go to eastway to have the new intake manifold installed. I can wait till then...

Maybe I can do this monday.. I have monday off too..

[Bubba's Dragon]

Ditto. Mine will momentarily break the tires loose with ESP on. I also have the SC tuner; 91 octane, reduced torque management, and paddle hold.
Hey MOPARMAN59 trypulling the magical fuse and see if that helps on getting more power. I read doing a computer reset after doing the 91octane tune will allow the car to learn the new information. Sort off starting with a clean slate of info.
Try that also.

[crhemi]

Guys, it's worth it to show up one day at lunch time with your favorite pizza or bucket of chicken. Tell the service mgr its for him and the boys for all that they do. Smile and walk out! See how they treat you next time.

[Buz-CCC]

Every one of the now many who have followed my success and gotten the flash will clearly state that there are NO negatives, and MANY positives to this flash.

Your dealer is either honestly confused, basing his comments on what he's heard about 6.1 results or he's simply blowing smoke to avoid work. I'd give him one more shot to get it right, then find another dealer to do it.

I have a 2006 C with build date of 7/4/05 will this flash help and is their any other flashes or updates I should have done.

[cadzilla74]

Now I'm really getting confused. In another thread we are talking about vendors reselling old stock versions of the TCM as high-dollar "performance" upgrades because early build LX'es came with a TCM that is more aggressive than the later ones. So I have never felt my tranny has any issues with 1-2 upshift or 4-3 downshift (1-2 up is actually very aggressive). My build date was 10-04. I have used the StarScan to update all part numbers specific to my car.

So I'm thinking it would b a waste of time (not money since I don't have to pay for a StarScan session, I have unlimited access to one) to do this flash to my TCM since I already have one of the ones that are so highly prized by vendors that they go out of their way to buy them up and repackage them as "performance" parts.

Just my $.02 but I think people with early build cars should take a deep breath and ask themselves if they really have a problem in the first place.

[BIGDAVE]

To check to see if your TCM needs an upgrade you need to put in you TCM number and it will pull up something.I didnt think I had a problem til it happened to me a couple of times.You will be pleased with the flash.
BIGDAVE my .02:racing:

[fnkychkn]

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=48865

[Meister]

I have a 2006 C with build date of 7/4/05 will this flash help and is their any other flashes or updates I should have done.So far, Buz, it has noticeably helped every one who has tried it.

I'd be highly surprised if your car is any exception.

[Nightshade]

To check to see if your TCM needs an upgrade you need to put in you TCM number and it will pull up something.I didnt think I had a problem til it happened to me a couple of times.You will be pleased with the flash.
BIGDAVE my .02:racing:


Do you have your before and after TCM?

My TCM is showing a part number 04692390AE. According to fnkychkn there is no update for this version. I was interested in the HHP stage 2 TCM but according to them it won't work in my car (yet).. my PCM is updated as of Friday and is new enough that superchips won't work till they make a tune file in a week.

[Meister]

...My TCM is showing a part number 04692390AE...
Everybody listen up!

No one has this flash. Period. Unless you've followed my lead, and gotten the SRT8 TCM flash, or, the brand new, "secret", 5.7 flash, which is similar.

Now there should be nothing in the previous sentence that should be too hard to comprehend. But I'll put another way just for good measure:

If you have a 5.7L Hemi and would like to improve the performance/function of your transmission, you want this flash.

Additionally, if your TCM P/N is presently 04692390AE, upon completion of this flash your new TCM part number will be 04692390AG.

Period. I didn't stutter. Those *are* the facts.

It's time to get on with it and get it done, or move on to another subject. There's nothing more that needs to be added here TMK.

[PowerWagon896]

Everybody listen up!

No one has this flash. Period. Unless you've followed my lead, and gotten the SRT8 TCM flash, or, the brand new, "secret", 5.7 flash, which is similar.

Now there should be nothing in the previous sentence that should be too hard to comprehend. But I'll put another way just for good measure:

If you have a 5.7L Hemi and would like to improve the performance/function of your transmission, you want this flash.

Additionally, if your TCM P/N is presently 04692390AE, upon completion of this flash your new TCM part number will be 04692390AG.

Period. I didn't stutter. Those *are* the facts.

It's time to get on with it and get it done, or move on to another subject. There's nothing more that needs to be added here TMK.

Jim, will this flash work on the "F" suffix TCMs?

I heard that it will not.

[fnkychkn]

Everybody listen up!

No one has this flash. Period. Unless you've followed my lead, and gotten the SRT8 TCM flash, or, the brand new, "secret", 5.7 flash, which is similar.

Now there should be nothing in the previous sentence that should be too hard to comprehend. But I'll put another way just for good measure:

If you have a 5.7L Hemi and would like to improve the performance/function of your transmission, you want this flash.

Additionally, if your TCM P/N is presently 04692390AE, upon completion of this flash your new TCM part number will be 04692390AG.

Period. I didn't stutter. Those *are* the facts.

It's time to get on with it and get it done, or move on to another subject. There's nothing more that needs to be added here TMK.can you please explain the procedure used to retrieve this flash file. try as i might, i can't seem to find it anywhere.

thanks

[cadzilla74]

My buddy currently has the StarScan. I'll ask him to check but a couple of weeks ago we could not find 04692390AG part number to download either.

[Meister]

can you please explain the procedure used to retrieve this flash file. try as i might, i can't seem to find it anywhere.

thanksThe "finding" I can't help with right now, funky - car's loaded and I'm being paged! Will be back on tomorrow. Can you not call it up by the number of the SRT8 TSB? I've posted that multiple places.

Once you retrieve the TSB you can't apply it until you tell starscan that it's a warranty repair. That enables you to then apply it.

Gotta Run!!\

Dan - No, I hadn't heard that. Ask MattRobertson what letter he was at when he got the flash. He'd just had magnumfreak pump everything the starscan had into his prior to getting the srt8 flash.

OUTTA HERE@@@@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cadzilla74]

Thanks Meister. Will try the "warranty repair" on the StarScan when my buddy gets back from vacation next week. He took it with him to update his friend's car in OK.

[Cdoggown]

Well, this looks like a no go for me. Dealership states the following


"
So I have done a lot of research this morning and here is what I have come up with. The flash for the 6.1L IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE 5.7L. I have found out that the star scan will not even allow you to perform the flash, it is impossable.

The star scan reads the vin and will only allow the applicable flash updates to be flashed. It will not pull flashes from another model and allow you to flash onto a different model. I called Chrysler to confirm. It is 100% not possible. There is no way to go around it. I attatched this forum link and engineering said that anyone who said that this has been done to there car is full of it. It is all federally regulated.

The other thing you would be up against is that anytime you had your vehicle in the shop and the star scan was plugged in, it would automatically update the pcm with the newest software which would erase all excisting software. The forum post says he did not perform the t.s.b. but found another flash that was not a t.s.b. flash.
If you can get the flash # I can check it."

[fnkychkn]

Well, this looks like a no go for me. Dealership states the following


"
So I have done a lot of research this morning and here is what I have come up with. The flash for the 6.1L IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE 5.7L. I have found out that the star scan will not even allow you to perform the flash, it is impossable.

The star scan reads the vin and will only allow the applicable flash updates to be flashed. It will not pull flashes from another model and allow you to flash onto a different model. I called Chrysler to confirm. It is 100% not possible. There is no way to go around it. I attatched this forum link and engineering said that anyone who said that this has been done to there car is full of it. It is all federally regulated.

The other thing you would be up against is that anytime you had your vehicle in the shop and the star scan was plugged in, it would automatically update the pcm with the newest software which would erase all excisting software. The forum post says he did not perform the t.s.b. but found another flash that was not a t.s.b. flash.
If you can get the flash # I can check it."well, that makes me feel a whole lot better.

[Nightshade]

If you can get the flash # I can check it."

Meister posted:

Additionally, if your TCM P/N is presently 04692390AE, upon completion of this flash your new TCM part number will be 04692390AG.

As I understand it they basically tell the starscan to do a warranty repair on the TCM not a TSB.. they then select the new image to install.

[fnkychkn]

Meister posted:

Additionally, if your TCM P/N is presently 04692390AE, upon completion of this flash your new TCM part number will be 04692390AG.

As I understand it they basically tell the starscan to do a warranty repair on the TCM not a TSB.. they then select the new image to install.
04692390AE is a 5.7L TCM part number and it gets updated to 04692390AG which is still a 5.7L TCM part number.

04692392AX a 6.1L TCM part number and no matter how hard i try, i'll never be able to force it into a 5.7L TCM.

[Nightshade]

04692390AE is a 5.7L TCM part number and it gets updated to 04692390AG which is still a 5.7L TCM part number.

04692392AX a 6.1L TCM part number and no matter how hard i try, i'll never be able to force it into a 5.7L TCM.


I was under the impression that 04692390AG was the flash we are trying to get. I have AE and it wouldn't update to AG.. so think there is something else that needs to be done to tell it to upgrade.. IE the warranty repair option..

I don't know. more than willing to let ya mess around trying to program it sometime.. mind you ottawa is a bit of a drive.. ;-)

[Cdoggown]

The other interesting thing is when i was talking to the tech i mentioned that quite a few cars in the car club had the flash and he cut me off and said "lxforums?" and i was like "uh... yeah" and he just said "ok then".

Weird.

[Nightshade]

The other interesting thing is when i was talking to the tech i mentioned that quite a few cars in the car club had the flash and he cut me off and said "lxforums?" and i was like "uh... yeah" and he just said "ok then".

Weird.

haha Guess we are becoming famous with the dealerships.. Hope that is a good thing...

[fnkychkn]

I was under the impression that 04692390AG was the flash we are trying to get. I have AE and it wouldn't update to AG.. so think there is something else that needs to be done to tell it to upgrade.. IE the warranty repair option..

I don't know. more than willing to let ya mess around trying to program it sometime.. mind you ottawa is a bit of a drive.. ;-)
04692390AG does exist. i downloaded it to my laptop back in may/06. i have no idea why it won't come up now. perhaps they found a problem with the program and removed it temporarily until they fix it (have seen that before).

[chargeit]

hey bigdave i have a 06 with the R/T package will the tsb work for that and do you know what the tsb # is.
Thanks for any extra help.
Chargeit

[Smoove06CSRT]

OK... Who's leg do I have to hump to get the EXACT DIRECTIONS to tell the dealership how to do this TCM flas to the AG part number??

ALSO, if I do have this flash upgrade.....will my SC still work afterwards??

[Johnnyvav]

TSB 18-031-05

It exists, it works, Do it, be happy.......

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o34/Johnnyvav/TSB1803105.jpg

[Johnnyvav]

hey bigdave i have a 06 with the R/T package will the tsb work for that and do you know what the tsb # is.
Thanks for any extra help.
Chargeit


Tell them your get poor shift performance at WOT. Tell the dealer that you heard the TSB 18-031-05 flash solves this problem but if they know of another solution your open to suggestions.

Take off the Super chips tune before you do this. Then put it on afterwards & they work awesome together.

[Smoove06CSRT]

Johnnyvav..

any issues with the SC flashpaq after the TCM flash?

[Johnnyvav]

Absolutely none. I actually just updated the 300cforums website with my story. So I am going to hijack a thread but I am the author so i'll forgive myself:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit http://www.300cforums.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.300cforums.com/forums/performance-modifications/26942-tranny-flashers-beware-post322457.html#post322457)
Can you let us know how it turns out?


Bandit - Sorry, I don't think I ever responded to this.

The TSB 18-031-05 flash from the dealer worked out great. The first day or two I was having some funky problems trying to use the auto stick but it shifted so well in "D" I just didn't care. It somehow fixed itself. I am not sure if I had to disconnect the battery for something & that fixed it or it just simply "took".

So what do I mean by funky problems? When I would step on it in drive "it would shift o so gloriously". When I was driving around town the car would hold gear to around 3000 rpm (when in D). Sounded cool but I knew eventually I didn't want this to be the norm. So, I tried using the auto stick but it wasn't very responsive, sometimes it would ignore my command & other times it would skip more than a gear.

I knew I had the SC Flashpaq in the mail so I figured this would clean up these issues. To my joyful surprise, the car fixed itself before the flashpaq arrived. If I remember correctly, it still held each gear (while in D) until about 3000 RPM prior to the SC Flashpaq install but the auto stick started working with no problems and i was able to shift earlier than 3000 rpm if i wanted. (Although, I can't remember ever really wanting tohttp://www.300cforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif )

Also, I now have a 5 for fifth gear. Just like 1 2 3 & 4 show up in your EVIC, 5 does as well.

[BIGDAVE]

Its not a TSB its an UPDATE to the TCM.My PCM ends in AI.
BIGDAVE:racing: :thumbs_u:

[Smoove06CSRT]

Absolutely none. I actually just updated the 300cforums website with my story. So I am going to hijack a thread but I am the author so i'll forgive myself:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit http://www.300cforums.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.300cforums.com/forums/performance-modifications/26942-tranny-flashers-beware-post322457.html#post322457)
Can you let us know how it turns out?


Bandit - Sorry, I don't think I ever responded to this.

The TSB 18-031-05 flash from the dealer worked out great. The first day or two I was having some funky problems trying to use the auto stick but it shifted so well in "D" I just didn't care. It somehow fixed itself. I am not sure if I had to disconnect the battery for something & that fixed it or it just simply "took".

So what do I mean by funky problems? When I would step on it in drive "it would shift o so gloriously". When I was driving around town the car would hold gear to around 3000 rpm (when in D). Sounded cool but I knew eventually I didn't want this to be the norm. So, I tried using the auto stick but it wasn't very responsive, sometimes it would ignore my command & other times it would skip more than a gear.

I knew I had the SC Flashpaq in the mail so I figured this would clean up these issues. To my joyful surprise, the car fixed itself before the flashpaq arrived. If I remember correctly, it still held each gear (while in D) until about 3000 RPM prior to the SC Flashpaq install but the auto stick started working with no problems and i was able to shift earlier than 3000 rpm if i wanted. (Although, I can't remember ever really wanting tohttp://www.300cforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif )

Also, I now have a 5 for fifth gear. Just like 1 2 3 & 4 show up in your EVIC, 5 does as well.

so you are saying that if i do this "Update" my car will not shift under light town driving until over 3000 rpm??

[Johnnyvav]

Its not a TSB its an UPDATE to the TCM.My PCM ends in AI.
BIGDAVE:racing: :thumbs_u:

BigDave - I could be wrong but I think we are talking about 2 different "tranny fixes". It sounds like you got the "secret 5.7 update" verse the SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05).

Do you have an invoice from the dealer? What does it say in the description field? I know when I have warranty work done, they'll give me an invoice even if it cost $0. This could prove to be helpful.

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/performance-modifications/28653-superchip-plugin-spot-2.html

Also, do you now have a "5" on your EVIC when using your auto stick? After I Had the TSB Flash, I can shift through all five gears. Prior to the TSB flash, my auto stick would go 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to D. Now it goes 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to 5! I am just curious if your update does the samething.

[Johnnyvav]

so you are saying that if i do this "Update" my car will not shift under light town driving until over 3000 rpm??

Do you have a SC Flashpaq? That was my experience prior to installing the flashpaq.

[cadzilla74]

Once again....I will try to trick the StarScan into applying a part number to my car when I get it back next week. However, I have NEVER been able to use the StarScan to apply a flash to ANY car that it did not qualify to receive. Fnky keeps saying the same thing. Y'all need to start listening here. Any update you are getting to your car is BUILT IN to the system. It reads your VIN. it reads the latest versions of all your modules, it ONLY applies an update to any module in YOUR CAR that needs it. That's it!!! You can't fool it, you can't force it and you can't lie to it. If you have a 05/04 build you can NOT get anything from the StarScan that is specific to a 02/05 build. They are different chipsets and different VINs and the StarScan knows it and you will NOT get updated!!! Get used to it, get over it, it's just the way it is. Having said that I promise I will go through every menu on the StarSCan as sson as I can and try to force this xxxxxxAG to my TCM. Do NOT hold your breath. It is NOT going to work. But I'm gonna try anyway. Stay tuned.

[Meister]

[QUOTE=Cdoggown;629712]Well, this looks like a no go for me. Dealership states the following

"So I have done a lot of research this morning and here is what I have come up with. The flash for the 6.1L IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE 5.7L. I have found out that the star scan will not even allow you to perform the flash, it is impossable (sic)."

Cdoggown, I'd suggest you try another dealership. You're getting inundated with loads of mis-information from your present one. It's obvious from reading your post that you'll never get anywhere with them.

I sat shotgun and watched my tech call up the SRT8 TSB, then apply the patch (after satisfying Starscan that it was OK to do so by telling it that it was a warranty repair). And then a half dozen or so successfully followed suit, including one of the service advisors at my dealership. In his words, his Charger R/T is finally shifting and performing the way it should have been from the get-go.

Then BigDave tried it but his tech apparently either didn't know how to call up the SRT8 TSB in the first place, or didn't know how to "trick" Starscan into allowing the patch to be applied to his "non-matching" car by simply telling starscan that it was a warranty repair.

At that point BD's tech called up all applicable 5.7 tranny flashes and came up with the brand new "secret" 5.7 flash that is identical in ID number to the SRT8 TSB flash's number in all but the last 2 characters. It is apparently quite similar to the SRT8 TSB flash that I & the others had successfully received ahead of him, but not identical. Evidence of that is the fact that the 5.7 "secret" flash that is reportedly available at dealer's discretion changes the TCM's ID number to AI (IIRC), not AG, as is the case for all who have received the actual SRT8 TSB flash.

"The star scan reads the vin and will only allow the applicable flash updates to be flashed. It will not pull flashes from another model and allow you to flash onto a different model. I called Chrysler to confirm. It is 100% not possible. There is no way to go around it. I attatched this forum link and engineering said that anyone who said that this has been done to there car is full of it. It is all federally regulated."

A number of us know differently. :) They can deny all they want. It won't alter the facts, which are that I and a number of others have done exactly what they claim to be impossible. On my car it rendered the sc tranny tunes near-perfect, whereas previously they had been intolerable, through no fault of their own. But that has all been covered in detail elsewhere; I'll not belabor that point here.

"The other thing you would be up against is that anytime you had your vehicle in the shop and the star scan was plugged in, it would automatically update the pcm with the newest software which would erase all excisting software. The forum post says he did not perform the t.s.b. but found another flash that was not a t.s.b. flash."
The forum post he's referencing here may be BigDave's, as he's the only one I'm aware of whose dealer applied the so-called "secret" 5.7 flash that is a near-copy of the SRT8 TSB flash.

"If you can get the flash # I can check it."

Did you provide your dealer with the number of the SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05), Cdoggown? If you did and he still couldn't call the TSB up, it's clearly time to look elsewhere for this superb flash.

All - If you're serious about wanting the improvements that the initial SRT8 TSB tranny flash (TSB 18-031-05) provides, don't be dissuaded by a dealer's rant. Simply find a dealer who will listen, as I and others have done, and then enjoy the marked improvement in transmission performance and overall driveability.

[fnkychkn]

Meister, please educate me.


(after satisfying Starscan that it was OK to do so by telling it that it was a warranty repair)


how to "trick" Starscan into allowing the patch to be applied to his "non-matching" car by simply telling starscan that it was a warranty repair.

please elaborate on the procedure used to accomplish this.


5.7 "secret" flash that is reportedly available at dealer's discretion

please explain how to obtain this "secret flash".

[Jaak]

I wonder if it's a procedure to flash what's considered to be a corrupted module. In otherwords, ignore what the module is telling you, it's corrupted and apply the following flash file... "Repair" it.

[Nightshade]

Meister, please educate me.



please elaborate on the procedure used to accomplish this.


please explain how to obtain this "secret flash".

Sounds like a weekend road trip to Ottawa is coming soon. :)

[fnkychkn]

Sounds like a weekend road trip to Ottawa is coming soon. :)
i only wish some of you didn't live so far. i would really like to experiment on some of your cars. :mrgreen:

[chasb]

As BIGDAVE correctly related, bellman, ironically this patch, though developed for the SRT8, hasn't had widespread positive results with SRT8s (works beautifully for every 5.7 that has tried it). The good news is that the soon-to-be-released new patch for the SRT8s supposedly works very well.

Here's the original TSB: SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05)

It would certainly be worth a (free) shot trying this patch while waiting for the revised one to come out. It obviously worked with some SRT8s or it would have never been released.


I asume you have to tune the flashpaq back to stock to have this done?

CORRECT?

[Nightshade]

I asume you have to tune the flashpaq back to stock to have this done?

CORRECT?

YES.. always ALWAYS return to stock before going to the dealership if you think there is a remote chance they will apply any flashes.

[Nightshade]

i only wish some of you didn't live so far. i would really like to experiment on some of your cars. :mrgreen:

Well, maybe some weekend I can talk Wendy into a road trip. :)

[PaulFix]

Any idea if these will work on AWD models..

[Meister]

Any idea if these will work on AWD models..I've heard nothing that would indicate one way or the other, PF.

I'll attempt to find out for you.

I can assure you that if I had an AWD I'd be trying it.

I asume you have to tune the flashpaq back to stock to have this done?

CORRECT?Not sure that the flash *wouldn't* work if one forgot to return to stock, Chas, but it's always appropriate procedure to return to stock if there's the remotest chance that your dealer will need to flash your car.

In this situation you are deliberately seeking a flash so returning to stock is the correct thing to do, as Nightshade stated.

1. Meister, please educate me...

2. please explain how to obtain this "secret flash".

1. First off, funky, you never told me if you've specifically attempted to call up SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05), by TSB number.

If so, were you able to call it up?

If so, at what point were you later stopped?

I presume that it's at one of the early "roadblocks" that it's necessary to tell starscan to not sweat the petty details like VINs, etc., that it is required for necessary correction under warranty repair provisions.

I'll see if I can get Chargershed (Eric), the Charger R/T-driving service advisor at my dealership to assist here. After seeing firsthand how this flash woke my car up he immediately flashed his Charger, and hasn't stopped grinning since. Says it's never behaved anywhere near as beautifully before as it does now. Which was, of course, old news to me and a number of others by now - every person who has tried it loves it.

Or you could PM him.

I'll try to get by the dealer this afternoon and grab a starscan and a tech and take a few notes.

2. BIGDAVE is the sole surviving "witness" to this procedure, funky. I don't recall from his post if he actually observed it, or was told by his service manager/advisor about it. He'd be the appropriate one to ask.


....I will go through every menu on the StarSCan as sson as I can and try to force this xxxxxxAG to my TCM. Do NOT hold your breath. It is NOT going to work. But I'm gonna try anyway. Stay tuned.

Again, 'zilla, you don't look it up as an AG update, you look it up by TSB number: 18-031-05. The AG appendage is added by the flash itself.

And don't expect the starscan to have the flash contents themselves in its databank - it is necessary for the starscan to connect to the dealer's network and then, in turn, connect to the Web and download the flash. Once downloaded it then flashes your TCM. Therefore I'm not sure how you'll be able to proceed, unless you have direct access to a dealer's tech network.

Somewhere fairly early in the process it was necessary to tell the starscan that the flash was required for warranty repair. This provides an over-ride of sorts to allow the starscan to assist "non-supported" vehicles.

[Smoove06CSRT]

I've heard nothing that would indicate one way or the other, PF.

I'll attempt to find out for you.

I can assure you that if I had an AWD I'd be trying it.

Not sure that the flash *wouldn't* work if one forgot to return to stock, Chas, but it's always appropriate procedure to return to stock if there's the remotest chance that your dealer will need to flash your car.

In this situation you are deliberately seeking a flash so returning to stock is the correct thing to do, as Nightshade stated.



1. First off, funky, you never told me if you've specifically attempted to call up SRT8 TSB flash for poor 1-2 shift performance (TSB 18-031-05), by TSB number.

If so, were you able to call it up?

If so, at what point were you later stopped?

I presume that it's at one of the early "roadblocks" that it's necessary to tell starscan to not sweat the petty details like VINs, etc., that it is required for necessary correction under warranty repair provisions.

I'll see if I can get Chargershed (Eric), the Charger R/T-driving service advisor at my dealership to assist here. After seeing firsthand how this flash woke my car up he immediately flashed his Charger, and hasn't stopped grinning since. Says it's never behaved anywhere near as beautifully before as it does now. Which was, of course, old news to me and a number of others by now - every person who has tried it loves it.

Or you could PM him.

I'll try to get by the dealer this afternoon and grab a starscan and a tech and take a few notes.

2. BIGDAVE is the sole surviving "witness" to this procedure, funky. I don't recall from his post if he actually observed it, or was told by his service manager/advisor about it. He'd be the appropriate one to ask.



Again, 'zilla, you don't look it up as an AG update, you look it up by TSB number: 18-031-05. The AG appendage is added by the flash itself.

And don't expect the starscan to have the flash contents themselves in its databank - it is necessary for the starscan to connect to the dealer's network and then, in turn, connect to the Web and download the flash. Once downloaded it then flashes your TCM. Therefore I'm not sure how you'll be able to proceed, unless you have direct access to a dealer's tech network.

Somewhere fairly early in the process it was necessary to tell the starscan that the flash was required for warranty repair. This provides an over-ride of sorts to allow the starscan to assist "non-supported" vehicles.

Well, as soon as there is a step by step procedure for doing this TSB reflash on my R/T posted here... I will be printing it out and going over to my dealer. they are very helpful in doing various starscan things to my Maggie, but they don't have a lot of time to try to "Play" with flashing my TCM. but if I have a step by step.... it should be No problem!!

[PaulFix]

Anyone know where we can find a pdf or other version of TSB 18-031-05 and or the new R/T update to print out

[Meister]

Well, as soon as there is a step by step procedure for doing this TSB reflash on my R/T posted here... I will be printing it out and going over to my dealer. they are very helpful in doing various starscan things to my Maggie, but they don't have a lot of time to try to "Play" with flashing my TCM. but if I have a step by step.... it should be No problem!!I'm heading out the door in 10 mins. or so. We'll see what we can come up with.

[TWIST3D BLACK MAG]

hmm... As easy as I spin now, I wonder if I NEED this flash...

But I WANT it none the less!!


Trust me......I saw your spin:rock: and drove thru your smoke:rock: ......you don't need it:doh:

(unless, of course your daddy happens to own a tire shop):wink:

[fnkychkn]

Anyone know where we can find a pdf or other version of TSB 18-031-05 and or the new R/T update to print out
TSB 18-031-05 (http://www.wkjeeps.com/misc/LX/TSB/TSB_1803105.pdf)

[PaulFix]

Thanks Funky

[CHARGERSHED]

OK!!... Some info, The TCM flashes are done by part# not by vin#... the part# of your TCM determines whether or not the flash will be accepted... the facts are that when we performed the srt flash on my TCM the part# changed and I had immediate change in responsiveness of my trans... I cut nearly .2 from my 1/4 mile times... these are the facts! also a fact is that whatever TCM update big dave got, is no longer out there... used every part# we could find and nada... funky is correct, they are either enhancing the flash or something... but as of right this minute it is MIA...
I will keep you all posted if anything changes...

[Smoove06CSRT]

OK!!... Some info, The TCM flashes are done by part# not by vin#... the part# of your TCM determines whether or not the flash will be accepted... the facts are that when we performed the srt flash on my TCM the part# changed and I had immediate change in responsiveness of my trans... I cut nearly .2 from my 1/4 mile times... these are the facts! also a fact is that whatever TCM update big dave got, is no longer out there... used every part# we could find and nada... funky is correct, they are either enhancing the flash or something... but as of right this minute it is MIA...
I will keep you all posted if anything changes...

so now this flash is no longer available? WTF??

[CHARGERSHED]

so now this flash is no longer available? WTF??
AT THE MOMENT, YES... This doesn't mean that it is gone forever... usually, it will return in a slightly altered form... but as of 12/19/06 there are currently no TCM flashes available for V8 vehicles w/ the NAG1...
stay tuned...

[Johnnyvav]

OK!!... Some info, The TCM flashes are done by part# not by vin#... the part# of your TCM determines whether or not the flash will be accepted... the facts are that when we performed the srt flash on my TCM the part# changed and I had immediate change in responsiveness of my trans... I cut nearly .2 from my 1/4 mile times... these are the facts! also a fact is that whatever TCM update big dave got, is no longer out there... used every part# we could find and nada... funky is correct, they are either enhancing the flash or something... but as of right this minute it is MIA...
I will keep you all posted if anything changes...

Chargershed-

Are you saying that TSB 18-031-05 is no longer available? Or just the update that BIGDAVE got is unavailable?

[Meister]

As promised, I headed to the dealer a while ago in an attempt to create some semblance of a basic checklist to assist others in getting the magic TCM flash that can do no wrong on the 5.7 LX bodies. The same flash that was a no-sweat cakewalk for the first half dozen or so of us to attempt it - virtually very one who tried, succeeded.

And then has seemed impossible to do by a few who have tried it recently.

Before bothering chargershed at his service booth I headed directly into the work bays to speak with the super-tech that flashed both my 300C and, several weeks later, chargershed's Charger R/T.

What's interesting is that when I first asked him to walk me through the flash again, I didn't have my TCM's part number handy. So the tech looked in his handy pocket notepad and found the p/n for the TCM from a V-6 Chrysler van he recently worked on and typed it in (Step 1. Go to Dealer Connect's update section. Step 2. Type in part number of the TCM you wish to flash.) When he then clicked on "Show all available updates" (Step 3. Select "Show all available updates".) and up popped a dozen or more updates, voila! right smack in the middle of the herd was the number of the SRT8 TSB, 08-131-05! So if I'd wished to flash granny's Pacifica today I could have done so. But no longer someone's 300C. As we found out later when I retrieved my TCM's part number and struck out.

Hopefully chargershed will be able to shed more light on that in coming days and weeks. I'll now officially hand the baton to him and let him take it from here. His insider's position has him properly situated to keep a close eye on things via his laptop's Dealer Connect Web page.

Step 4. Select the flash you wish to install.
Somewhere around Step 5. the action shifts to the starscan.
Step 6. (or so would be to) Tell starscan that it's a warranty repair, and to do it anyway.

The tech says it's so basic from that point on he considered it a waste of time to say any more about it, and, essentially, didn't. :)

I did, however, get said super-tech's direct phone number to pass on to our resident superbird for some tech-to-tech HD conferring.

Yo! funky!! PM inbound... :wink:

[Smoove06CSRT]

funky said he still had the flash on his laptop......Hmmmmmmmm

[Meister]

...Are you saying that TSB 18-031-05 is no longer available? Or just the update that BIGDAVE got is unavailable?I'll weigh in here, if I may, Johnny.

I saw TSB 18-031-05 alive & well today - in all his glory. Just not from the page I expected to see him from (refer to my post #84 for that story).

He wouldn't respond to the several 5.7 LX Hemi TCM p/n's we tried to access him under. Someone may well have a TCM p/n that will bring up this update, but we didn't today.

Perhaps chargershed can amplify that info.

[Fast56k]

Went to dealer today to get the new 1-2 shift hesitation TCM update. Too early. No luck. They did update the PCM though. My build date was 7.4.06. Not many 06's built after that. I suggest if you are going in for the SRT8 TCM update and you have the B&G flash, you may want to put your stock PCM back in. If they update your PCM as a courtesy, it will probably remove the B&G flash on the PCM.

C.
__________________
Silver 06 SRT-8

"Put a Dodge in garage...hooonnnneeeyyyy."

[Hemissary]

I went today for the TSB update with TSB hardcopy in hand. DCX recently pulled the working file associated with TSB 18-031-05 pending another updated release this Friday. One can still find the TSB advisory, but not the associated file for download.

A "warranty provision" is invoked to allow the SRT8-based TSB to be downloaded to the (any) 5.7 platfrom. It took my a while this evening with a tech to figure this out.

There is an existing file present for the 5.7 platform with the "AG" suffix (mine is "AE") which I elected not to download until I find out what it is. After reading and piecing it together now, this is the TCM update for all 5.7 platforms.

I will now go back and have the tech load the TCM update, but will need to make another appointment tomorrow...

[fnkychkn]

OK!!... Some info, The TCM flashes are done by part# not by vin#... the part# of your TCM determines whether or not the flash will be accepted... the facts are that when we performed the srt flash on my TCM the part# changed and I had immediate change in responsiveness of my trans... I cut nearly .2 from my 1/4 mile times... these are the facts! also a fact is that whatever TCM update big dave got, is no longer out there... used every part# we could find and nada... funky is correct, they are either enhancing the flash or something... but as of right this minute it is MIA...
I will keep you all posted if anything changes...
can you post your TCM part number before and after the flash?

thanks.




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[CHARGERSHED]

can you post your TCM part number before and after the flash?

thanks.




hey! check out the new smiley >>> :chickdance: :chickdance: :chickdance: :chickdance: :chickdance: how cool is that. :)
very cool...to answer your question, no... I know it ended up ending in AG
but I don't recall the exact part#

UPDATE: Seems as though the SRT flash is off the list for good, supertech even tried pulling it off of a backup disc to no avail... I guess we wait until friday to see if anything new pops up...lockd.gif

[fnkychkn]

very cool...to answer your question, no... I know it ended up ending in AG
but I don't recall the exact part#

UPDATE: Seems as though the SRT flash is off the list for good, supertech even tried pulling it off of a backup disc to no avail... I guess we wait until friday to see if anything new pops up...lockd.gif
actually, you no longer have to wait. the flash files are back up on dealerconnect as of today, in a new and improved version.

now all TCM part numbers 04692390Ax have been updated to 04692390AI and all TCM part number 04692392Ax have been updated to 04692392AK.

[BLaCkeNeD]

ok boys .....just back from the dealer.....

"DRB III tested and found pending code p-0573 performed TSB 15-035-06 flashed PCM and TCM. Checked trans fluid and reset valves road tested after repair checked OK"


Now just let me say thanks the gods for this update....WOW what a difference. No charge for this work and great dealer service. Now I can't wait to load my new superchips flashpaq......

[Nightshade]

ok boys .....just back from the dealer.....

"DRB III tested and found pending code p-0573 performed TSB 15-035-06 flashed PCM and TCM. Checked trans fluid and reset valves road tested after repair checked OK"


Now just let me say thanks the gods for this update....WOW what a difference. No charge for this work and great dealer service. Now I can't wait to load my new superchips flashpaq......

Can't find TSB 15-035-06. Is it a new one?

Normally it would be on wkjeeps.com at something like:

http://www.wkjeeps.com/misc/LX/TSB/TSB_1503506.pdf

[Nightshade]

ok boys .....just back from the dealer.....

"DRB III tested and found pending code p-0573 performed TSB 15-035-06 flashed PCM and TCM. Checked trans fluid and reset valves road tested after repair checked OK"


Now just let me say thanks the gods for this update....WOW what a difference. No charge for this work and great dealer service. Now I can't wait to load my new superchips flashpaq......

They flashed your PCM? you are gonna have to wait to load your flashpaq.. at least another few days.. they haven't tuned for the new pcm yet.. should be soon though. :)

[lafrad]

Is that TSB the *same* files as the SRT TSB that was released today?

[CHARGERSHED]

ok boys .....just back from the dealer.....

"DRB III tested and found pending code p-0573 performed TSB 15-035-06 flashed PCM and TCM. Checked trans fluid and reset valves road tested after repair checked OK"


Now just let me say thanks the gods for this update....WOW what a difference. No charge for this work and great dealer service. Now I can't wait to load my new superchips flashpaq......


To eliminate confusion, the tsb BLaCkeNeD is talking about is 18-035-06/ which is for a check engine light on condition/// sounds like the trans flash is the real performance deal, I will be getting mine done as soon as time permits...I'll let you know on any diferences from the AG flash...

[Meister]

To eliminate confusion, the (flash) BLaCkeNeD is talking about is 18-035-06/ which is for a check engine light on condition/// sounds like the trans flash is the real performance deal, I will be getting mine done as soon as time permits...I'll let you know on any diferences from the AG flash...
I'm on my way over to apply 35-06 to mine, as we speak, Erik. See you in 5.

Is that TSB the *same* files as the SRT TSB that was released today?The SECOND SRT8 TSB flash designed to fix the SRT8 1-2 shift problem is not due out till tomorrow, lafrad.

This is something else.

ok boys .....just back from the dealer.....

"DRB III tested and found pending code p-0573 performed TSB 15-035-06 flashed PCM and TCM. Checked trans fluid and reset valves road tested after repair checked OK"

Now just let me say thanks the gods for this update....WOW what a difference. No charge for this work and great dealer service. Now I can't wait to load my new superchips flashpaq......Excellent. Sounds like we're back where we've been for many weeks now, albeit with a different TSB number, 15-035-06 vice the prior 18-031-05



...the flash files are back up on dealerconnect as of today, in a new and improved version.

now all TCM part numbers 04692390Ax have been updated to 04692390AI and all TCM part number 04692392Ax have been updated to 04692392AK.AI is the number which the "secret 5.7 flash" that BIGDAVE told us about assigns after successfully flashing a TCM funky.

So it would appear that we once again have the same two flashes, the once "secret", dedicated, non-TSB, flash which was just released earlier this month, discovered by BIGDAVE, which leaves one's TCM reading 04692390AI, installed and running on BIGDAVE's car, and the original SRT8 TSB flash which has been around for months, discovered by Meister to have near-magical powers when applied to the trannies of 5.7 LX Hemis, which leaves one's TCM reading 04692390AG, installed and running on my car, and a number of other's cars as well.

Edit to reflect early release: As of today there is a second SRT8 TSB designed to cure the 1-2 shift problem. I had my car flashed with it and my TCM, too, now reads 04692390AI. No changes noted as of yet in tranny performance from that gained from the first SRT8 TSB flash - it's pretty hard to improve upon perfection. :wink:

...to answer (funky's) question (re. TCM p/ns, pre & post flash), no... I know it ended up ending in AG
but I don't recall the exact part#...It was 04692390AE, with 99.9% certainty, Erik. And if you'll walk out to your car right now, plug in the sc tuner and tell it to read current numbers, seeing 04692390AG listed as your TCM number will confirm that.

[Nightshade]

:thumbs_u:

Piece of cake.. They did it no problem at all on my 5.7..

am now running AI on the TCM and the new PCM too..

[fnkychkn]

:thumbs_u:

Piece of cake.. They did it no problem at all on my 5.7..

am now running AI on the TCM and the new PCM too..
good show Joe! there's no stopping you now. :)

[flatblack]

OK, So let me get this straight, basically it's all back to normal. I can explain to dealer that I'm unhappy with 1-2 shifts under hard exceleration and ask for TSB #15-035-06 flash for my TCM?

Is this the best flash to get then? My head is still going round and round!

[Nightshade]

OK, So let me get this straight, basically it's all back to normal. I can explain to dealer that I'm unhappy with 1-2 shifts under hard exceleration and ask for TSB #15-035-06 flash for my TCM?

Is this the best flash to get then? My head is still going round and round!

I just complained about the shifting.. didn't mention any TSB's and asked if perhaps there was new firmware for the computer as they had updated it once before..

You can likely sya that you have a friend that had the same problem and there was a way to fix it with just new software..

If you act like you know too much they seem to stand clear.. heh

oh yeah.. if you have a superchips flashpaq, chances are that you will need to wait till they have a new tune before putting the superchips tune back in.. they updated my PCM too and they don't have a tune for that one at superchips yet.. supposedly this week and we will be golden...

and make sure you go back to stock BEFORE going in to get this done..

[fnkychkn]

OK, So let me get this straight, basically it's all back to normal. I can explain to dealer that I'm unhappy with 1-2 shifts under hard exceleration and ask for TSB #15-035-06 flash for my TCM?

Is this the best flash to get then? My head is still going round and round!
TSB 18-035-06 is for an erroneous P0573 DTC and involves a PCM flash.

[flatblack]

TSB 18-035-06 is for an erroneous P0573 DTC and involves a PCM flash.

Huh?

I thought the new TSB #15-035-06 to replace #18-031-05.

So what's the new #?

[fnkychkn]

Huh?

I thought the new TSB #15-035-06 to replace #18-031-05.

So what's the new #?
TSBs do not start with 15-. there is no group 15. group 18 is for driveability and group 21 is for transmission. TSB 18-031-05 (http://www.wkjeeps.com/misc/LX/TSB/TSB_1803105.pdf) (flash: shift hesitation during WOT) has been superceded by TSB 21-020-06 (http://www.wkjeeps.com/misc/LX/TSB/TSB_2102006.pdf).

[PowerWagon896]

i only wish some of you didn't live so far. i would really like to experiment on some of your cars. :mrgreen:

I don't live that far away.

When do ya want me to be there?

[fnkychkn]

I don't live that far away.

When do ya want me to be there?you'll have to wait till i get back to active duty (busted wing) which should be in about a month.

[PowerWagon896]

you'll have to wait till i get back to active duty (busted wing) which should be in about a month.

PM me when you are ready.

Weather permitting of course. Those tropical fruits (Mangos) don't do well in snow.

[Buz-CCC]

you'll have to wait till i get back to active duty (busted wing) which should be in about a month.

Maybe I'm thick but can someone just tell me what pcm & tcm flashes I need for 2006 300c build date 7/4/05 All above seem to be for srt8's

[Meister]

The new SRT8 TSB flash (TSB 21-020-06) was released today.

Accordingly, I had my 5.7L flashed with it in an attempt to verify full 5.7 compatibility.

This, the second SRT8 TSB flash specifically designed to fix problems associated with the 1-2 shift in all models of SRT8 sedans and Jeeps, changes the part number of the 5.7L's TCM to 04692390AI.

In the 5.7 one should not find major changes in shift logic that one will in the 6.1, where shift logic in D is changed from paddle Hold to paddle Kick.

The benefit to 5.7 owners is the correction of a great number of small issues, bugs and flukes. Operation of the various Superchips tranny modes is rendered essentially perfect.

Notes: For those 5.7 owners who have already successfully flashed their tranny with the initial SRT8 TSB flash (TSB 18-031-05) may I suggest that there is no need to rush to get this flash as, other than the change in TCM p/n, I'm not aware of any noticeable changes. For all other 5.7 owners, the benefits are many and have been laid out in detail in many posts and in several threads.

For 6.1 owners who prefer your present paddle Hold shift logic and are existing as is, I suggest that you may wish to skip this flash, at least for now.

Once flashed, one cannot revert back to a lower flash level.

[Meister]

Maybe I'm thick but can someone just tell me what pcm & tcm flashes I need...Looks like I addressed the TCM portion of a related question for you Thursday, Buz, in post #45, here: http://www.300cforums.com/forums/performance-modifications/26942-tranny-flashers-beware.html?highlight=Buz-CCC

Follow that up with the single flash here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=49276 and your TCM will be up to date.

As for the PCM, that depends on what flashes it's previously received. You'll need to get a starscan on your car to determine that, so I'd suggest checking for PCM updates immediately after you get the TCM successfully flashed with the SRT8 TSB flash (which works great for 5.7s as well).

[cadzilla74]

Hooray and THANK YOU for the excellent details on this. I guess our timing was just off and that's why we couldn't find the AG part number anymore. As soon as my buddy gets back from vacation this weekend it's gonna be AI on the ol' 05 RT TCM ASAP.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Ok, so what version is the software after the flash is completed?

My stock SRT8 came with version "AG". The HHP Stage II TCM I have is supposed to be "AJ" and it works exactly like this flash is being described.

One benefit I have it I can switch back to the other computer, where if you have the flash done, you can't reverse it. Of course you gotta pay for capability in having a spare TCM.

[cadzilla74]

Ummmm, I just realized something....did I miss where fnkychkn busted his arm? Don't mean to hijack here but I hope it ain't to serious and get well soon, Pete!

[CHARGERSHED]

NOW A LITTLE RAIN ON THE FLASH PARADE!!! My review of the latest trans software update... while the WOT 1-2 & 3-4 upshifts are/or seem somewhat firmer... they fixed the down shift/upshift problem by having the trans shift @ 5200... not the 55/5600 that it had been before( this is for us 5.7L owners... my part # now ends in AK ) What most of us were experiencing was a distinct hesitation in the 1-2 upshift after the trans had downshifted back into first( like when you pass a slow poke on a hiway on ramp) where the car felt like it cut out then slammed back into 2nd on the upshift... now it won't go any higher than 51/5200 on that shift...there is no hesitation because it's not close to redline...also if you are close to putting the car at redline on a 2 gear downshift( a little history, before this flash my car would routinely drop 2 gears... like from 3rd to 1st, 4th to 2nd etc...) it will only drop 1 gear... so it does feel and act a little diffrent, You will just have to be careful on those rolling start street races...
to clarify: this is when you are in drive, not the auto stick feature... I will review any changes to that after lunchtime today...

[Nightshade]

My 5.7 flash ends in AI and I have little or no hesitation between 1 and 2 at WOT.. and when I hammer it and it's already in 4 or 5 it jumps down 2 gears.. It is definately shifting later at 5500/5600 at WOT.

Overall I like how it behaves now. Am hoping that superchips wakes up and releases the update for the new PCM that people are getting (they flashed my PCM too and it's too new for the superchips now.. they claim it takes them 10 days to release an update)... I think that once I add in the superchips tune again things will be pretty much perfect... :)



NOW A LITTLE RAIN ON THE FLASH PARADE!!! My review of the latest trans software update... while the WOT 1-2 & 3-4 upshifts are/or seem somewhat firmer... they fixed the down shift/upshift problem by having the trans shift @ 5200... not the 55/5600 that it had been before( this is for us 5.7L owners... my part # now ends in AK ) What most of us were experiencing was a distinct hesitation in the 1-2 upshift after the trans had downshifted back into first( like when you pass a slow poke on a hiway on ramp) where the car felt like it cut out then slammed back into 2nd on the upshift... now it won't go any higher than 51/5200 on that shift...there is no hesitation because it's not close to redline...also if you are close to putting the car at redline on a 2 gear downshift( a little history, before this flash my car would routinely drop 2 gears... like from 3rd to 1st, 4th to 2nd etc...) it will only drop 1 gear... so it does feel and act a little diffrent, You will just have to be careful on those rolling start street races...

[cadzilla74]

OY!!! Madness! <SIGH> Do it, don't do it, it's up it's down.....F'in A!!!! My trans shifts hard as can be from 1-2 at between 5800-6000 in an 05 RT. Sorry, can't be more specific right now. Bangs 2nd with a tire chirp every time. 60mph cruise and punch it and down to 2nd then a quick jump to 3rd every time. From 70 it sux, because it's caught between gears, hits a VERY slow 3rd and has to drag it's butt up. Any time I'm around 70 and need to go quick I manually stick down to 2nd to get the RPM's up and then manually hit 3rd. Just a sloppy range for the tranny where it should be very responsive because it's a common highway speed where you need something to happen quick. I'm hoping my new Flashpaq will cure this problem with custom shift setting. Don't think any TCM flash is gonna make it a whole lot better since it wasn't put out for my car in the first place.
More to come, I have access to a StarScan and will be testing this thoroughly.

[Smoove06CSRT]

can you just update the TCM and leave the PCM alone?? that way I don't have to wait for Superchips to update.....

[Fast56k]

can you just update the TCM and leave the PCM alone?? that way I don't have to wait for Superchips to update.....

The TCM update has nothing to do with the PCM update. In theory, you could ask that the service tech not update your PCM and you would be fine. You do not need a PCM update to get the TCM update as far as I can tell.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

[Nightshade]

The TCM update has nothing to do with the PCM update. In theory, you could ask that the service tech not update your PCM and you would be fine. You do not need a PCM update to get the TCM update as far as I can tell.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

They thought they were doing me a favour and updated both. I can't fault them for going the extra mile for me. :) I think that if they already have the starscan attached, you may find that they may update both...

[Cdoggown]

Okay, I give up. All three dealerships within 40 miles of me say its against the law and they will not do it. No flashy for me. :(

[Nightshade]

Okay, I give up. All three dealerships within 40 miles of me say its against the law and they will not do it. No flashy for me. :(

Against the law?


If you have the TCM 04692390AE

04692390AI is the direct upgrade for it. It's not an SRT8 thing at all. HAve them plug the starscan in and update it. they don't have to do anything special at all. the part number won't change, just the revision. I went from revision AE to revision AI. part is still 04692390...

Where are you that the dealerships are so clueless?

[Cdoggown]

Bellevue, WA. East of Seattle...


Will that update improve my tranny respons like this thread was all about in the beginning? We are talking about so many different updates now I dont even know which one I need to ask for. Maybe Im the clueless one???

[Nightshade]

Bellevue, WA. East of Seattle...


Will that update improve my tranny respons like this thread was all about in the beginning? We are talking about so many different updates now I dont even know which one I need to ask for. Maybe Im the clueless one???

Here is what I did/said.

I went into the stealership for my oil change, I complained about poor shifting performance and asked if there were any updates as I was talking with another person with the same issue and they said that they had found that there was a software update for the transmission computer... The update resolved the problem. If you start mentioning TCM's and Dealerconnect they may shy away from helping you as they will just think you are fishing for a flash upgrade. ;-)

I had no problems at all, they were surprisingly cooperative. They get to bill DCX for .5h for this and I can't imagine it taking more than a few minutes. I think they spent more time looking at my car than doing the work.

[Cdoggown]

OKay, so where do i look to get my TCM part #?

[zonian]

.... They get to bill DCX for .5h for this....

Even if it is an '05 5.7L with 70K miles and out of warranty? Are you saying the dealer will do this for no charge? Also, if I'm understanding this thread, the TSB is for the 6.1; how do you get the dealer to perform it on a 5.7 for no charge? Mine shifts like an old lady, so this thread has intrigued me.

Paul

[Nightshade]

Even if it is an '05 5.7L with 70K miles and out of warranty? Are you saying the dealer will do this for no charge? Also, if I'm understanding this thread, the TSB is for the 6.1; how do you get the dealer to perform it on a 5.7 for no charge? Mine shifts like an old lady, so this thread has intrigued me.

Paul

If you are out of warranty, you have to pay the .5h

[Nightshade]

OKay, so where do i look to get my TCM part #?

I snagged mine from my superchips flashpaq.. but you don't need that.. just tell them that your friend had an update and it fixed it and he had the same issue.. Is far from 'against the law'.. If you said you wanted an SRT8 flash applied to your RT, they would say no without even looking into it....

[Meister]

Ok, so what version is the software after the flash is completed?...Ok, so read post 109. :wink:

That's the part number for the 5.7 TCM after the flash. The 6.1 has the same transmission but a different TCM, so it'll likely be a different part number.

As soon as a 6.1 gets flashed with TSB 21-020-06 and someone can read his TCM part number with a scan tool or an sc tuner we'll know for sure.

[CHARGERSHED]

I just went for a ride and did a full converter hole shot and did a 40ft John Force burnout.The car pulled so hard that my sun (moon)roof slid open 2in.It had never done that before.WOWWOWWOW!!!
BIGDAVE:racing: :racing: :pepper: :pepper:

OY!!! Madness! <SIGH> Do it, don't do it, it's up it's down.....F'in A!!!! My trans shifts hard as can be from 1-2 at between 5800-6000 in an 05 RT. Sorry, can't be more specific right now. Bangs 2nd with a tire chirp every time. Don't think any TCM flash is gonna make it a whole lot better since it wasn't put out for my car in the first place.
More to come, I have access to a StarScan and will be testing this thoroughly.
2 THINGS...Never said you shouldn't do it, just gave my impressions of how my vehicle reacts after the update... because you can't go back once it is done... also I question the "john force burnout" and the sun roof opening 2 inches on launch... I have been in some pretty hard launching LX platform cars, and not 1 SRT or otherwise has been able to perform what Big Dave says his can...I don't know if it did what he said, I wasn't there and we can only assume he is telling the truth... I don't know what mods( if any) he is running etc. etc. I only posted my inital driving impressions and let the reader make up his or her own mind...

next, TCM updates are not illegal... PCM updates, if not supported by a TSB are...that's why all these B&G flashes say right on the PCM "for offroad use only"... that being said, the latest update for the PCM just has some updated initalizing software....means it makes it easier for the starscan to comunicate with the PCM when doing certain functions....

[flatblack]

I'm pretty sure he's got the prototype 2500ish stall converter. That could explain it!

[Johnnyvav]

Okay, I give up. All three dealerships within 40 miles of me say its against the law and they will not do it. No flashy for me. :(


Cdoggown-

I called my dealer first so they were expecting me when I got there.

I told them that I am getting poor shift performance at WOT. I told them that I heard that SRT8 TSB flash (TSB 21-020-06) has solved this problem for other members of the forums I belong to but I am open to suggestions of how to fix this problem.

They told they would have to charge me $89, I told them I'd be right over.

PS I actually gave them the old TSB number back when I did it.

Also, they are a really busy dealership with at least 30 lifts. I don't think they wanted to take the time to try and come up with a solution on their own.

[BLaCkeNeD]

To eliminate confusion, the tsb BLaCkeNeD is talking about is 18-035-06/ which is for a check engine light on condition/// sounds like the trans flash is the real performance deal, I will be getting mine done as soon as time permits...I'll let you know on any diferences from the AG flash...


That's weird ....they wrote it up exactly the way I typed it 15-035-06. They also stressed the pending code part.

[crhemi]

Can everyone disclose whether they have a 5.7 or 6.1 in there replys if not in their signatures ...please.

[Jaak]

Just had the SRT8 flash done on my SRT8.... I love it!

We'll see long term how it works out, but the autostick change itself is great. Put it in first and floor it, and it pulls up to 6100 and shifts 1-2. Haven't watched the other shifts yet, as there was too much traffic to be staring at the tach.

[Cdoggown]

Cdoggown-

I called my dealer first so they were expecting me when I got there.

I told them that I am getting poor shift performance at WOT. I told them that I heard that SRT8 TSB flash (TSB 21-020-06) has solved this problem for other members of the forums I belong to but I am open to suggestions of how to fix this problem.

They told they would have to charge me $89, I told them I'd be right over.

PS I actually gave them the old TSB number back when I did it.

Also, they are a really busy dealership with at least 30 lifts. I don't think they wanted to take the time to try and come up with a solution on their own.



Thats how I approached it. No go still over here.

[Jaak]

I walked in for my oil change with the TSB printed out, ready to read and said, "Oil change and this fix... Finally you can fix this annoying shift issue it does every once in a while!!!" and handed it to the service advisor.

Done and lovin' it. Now my dealer is Eastway, so they're great.

But if it was another dealer and they refused it, I'd then ask them for the 800 number to talk to Daimler Chrysler customer service... And call to complain, right in front of them.

[Cdoggown]

I walked in for my oil change with the TSB printed out, ready to read and said, "Oil change and this fix... Finally you can fix this annoying shift issue it does every once in a while!!!" and handed it to the service advisor.

Done and lovin' it. Now my dealer is Eastway, so they're great.

But if it was another dealer and they refused it, I'd then ask them for the 800 number to talk to Daimler Chrysler customer service... And call to complain, right in front of them.


At this point it seems Im out of luck. Im tired of arguing with them over it. Im going to focus my time on things that will actually happen now. Like side-exiting exhaust :)

[Johnnyvav]

Thats how I approached it. No go still over here.

Road trip to Fla? :racing: :mrgreen:

[LowGo]

At this point it seems Im out of luck. Im tired of arguing with them over it. Im going to focus my time on things that will actually happen now. Like side-exiting exhaust :)

I'm going to see how my dealer reacts on Tuesday when I go in for an oil change. If they're agreeable, maybe you should consider a trip to Portland! :wink:

[Smoove06CSRT]

as soon as my car is finished being put back together and driveable again, i am taking her to the dealer for a flash-a-rooney!!

[InferAl]

I have a 5.7 and had the Heat Stage 1 installed the number in the evic is 04842155AF what would that tell me about my TCM. I am getting this number from the diagnostic mode on the evic is this the TCM number
Thanks Al

[Meister]

I have a 5.7 and had the Heat Stage 1 installed the number in the evic is 04842155AF what would that tell me about my TCM. I am getting this number from the diagnostic mode on the evic is this the TCM number
Thanks AlYou'd best talk to Heat, Al. If that were the factory TCM I'd say get her flashed in a heartbeat. Just not sure what might get undone of the Heat's beneficial programming if you were to get it flashed, however.

Suggestion: Swap your factory TCM back in and go get the tranny flashed. You'll likely end up with with AI or higher. Give it a try and see how it compares with the Heat I, especially after you apply the sc tuner's highest performance tranny settings to it, if you have one. You should find the sc tranny flash programs to be near-perfect following the flash.

[InferAl]

NOW A LITTLE RAIN ON THE FLASH PARADE!!! My review of the latest trans software update... while the WOT 1-2 & 3-4 upshifts are/or seem somewhat firmer... they fixed the down shift/upshift problem by having the trans shift @ 5200... not the 55/5600 that it had been before( this is for us 5.7L owners... my part # now ends in AK ) What most of us were experiencing was a distinct hesitation in the 1-2 upshift after the trans had downshifted back into first( like when you pass a slow poke on a hiway on ramp) where the car felt like it cut out then slammed back into 2nd on the upshift... now it won't go any higher than 51/5200 on that shift...there is no hesitation because it's not close to redline...also if you are close to putting the car at redline on a 2 gear downshift( a little history, before this flash my car would routinely drop 2 gears... like from 3rd to 1st, 4th to 2nd etc...) it will only drop 1 gear... so it does feel and act a little diffrent, You will just have to be careful on those rolling start street races...
to clarify: this is when you are in drive, not the auto stick feature... I will review any changes to that after lunchtime today...

Were you happy with this, would you consider this a improvement ?

[Meister]

Were you happy with this, would you consider this a improvement ?If by "this" you mean this one scenario, out of dozens, if not hundreds, of possible scenarios, of course not.

But, if by "this" you're referring to the vast overall improvement that this latest flash brings to our LX transmissions overall, including freeing the SRT8s of that most annoying 1-2 shift anomaly, without a doubt.

(So Erik, how'd I do? :wink: )

90% of what I just stated above, InferAl, is implicit in CHARGERSHED's post. The remainder I got from him first hand, speaking with him after he'd his own Charger flashed, and again immediately after he had just driven my 300C following her flash on Thursday.

[crhemi]

Has anyone with a 8/05 or later build date been able to do this flash?
Please pm me if so.
Thanks

[CHARGERSHED]

Were you happy with this, would you consider this a improvement ?
YES! & no... I love the way the 1-2 & 2-3 upshifts now seem instant... I'm not too crazy about how it downshifts, I just use autostick more than in the past... it is an improvement for sure, just not perfect yet...
If by "this" you mean this one scenario, out of dozens, if not hundreds, of possible scenarios, of course not.

But, if by "this" you're referring to the vast overall improvement that this latest flash brings to our LX transmissions overall, including freeing the SRT8s of that most annoying 1-2 shift anomaly, without a doubt.

(So Erik, how'd I do? :wink: ) GREAT!!!

90% of what I just stated above, InferAl, is implicit in CHARGERSHED's post. The remainder I got from him first hand, speaking with him after he'd his own Charger flashed, and again immediately after he had just driven my 300C following her flash on Thursday.
Plus, It would seem that the SC tune loves this new trans update... another reason to look at that MOD... also, since I get to drive Meisters Machine around a bit, I now know that resistance is futile; Cam and Heads here I come!!!

[CHARGERSHED]

Has anyone with a 8/05 or later build date been able to do this flash?
Please pm me if so.
Thanks
Build dates don't effect this flash, just TCM part #s...

[InferAl]

If by "this" you mean this one scenario, out of dozens, if not hundreds, of possible scenarios, of course not.

But, if by "this" you're referring to the vast overall improvement that this latest flash brings to our LX transmissions overall, including freeing the SRT8s of that most annoying 1-2 shift anomaly, without a doubt.

(So Erik, how'd I do? :wink: )

90% of what I just stated above, InferAl, is implicit in CHARGERSHED's post. The remainder I got from him first hand, speaking with him after he'd his own Charger flashed, and again immediately after he had just driven my 300C following her flash on Thursday.

No I was not referrering to the overall improvement I have been reading all the TCM threads from the beginning and I know it is a great improvement for the SRT's. I just wasn't clear on how CHARGERSHED'S feelings were with his thread with THE RAIN ON THE FLASH PARADE but he has answered that.

On another note I put my car on a starscan tool and the Heat Stage 1 TCM that is in my car is:
TCM # is 04692390AF
Hardware 00.06
Software version 04.12.17

My original TCM on the sticker says P04692392AF but that might not be what is programmed into it . My builddate is 10/05
Al

[InferAl]

YES! & no... I love the way the 1-2 & 2-3 upshifts now seem instant... I'm not too crazy about how it downshifts, I just use autostick more than in the past... it is an improvement for sure, just not perfect yet...

Plus, It would seem that the SC tune loves this new trans update... another reason to look at that MOD... also, since I get to drive Meisters Machine around a bit, I now know that resistance is futile; Cam and Heads here I come!!!

Your lucky you live near someone that is so knowledgeable about these cars and can see and feel the differences firsthand. I don't know anyone around here that has hardly anything done to thier cars.But If I drove around something like Meister's you are right resistance would be futile

[Meister]

No I was not referrering to the overall improvement I have been reading all the TCM threads from the beginning and I know it is a great improvement for the SRT's. I just wasn't clear on how CHARGERSHED'S feelings were with his thread with THE RAIN ON THE FLASH PARADE but he has answered that.

On another note I put my car on a starscan tool and the Heat Stage 1 TCM that is in my car is:
TCM # is 04692390AF
Hardware 00.06
Software version 04.12.17

My original TCM on the sticker says P04692392AF but that might not be what is programmed into it . My builddate is 10/05
Al*Both* SRT8 TSB tranny flashes provide great improvement for all 5.7s.

Interesting. After getting the first SRT8 TSB tranny flash my 90-series factory TCM updated to AG from AE. Your Heat Stage 1 90-series TCM shows AF.

Your Heat Stage 1 90-series TCM should actually be considered an AF+, since Heat has modified it to provide you the performance parameters you ordered and paid for.

We're all going to have to pay close attention, Al, as we gather additional ECMs and TCMs, to insure we don't inadvertenty get the aftermarket, not the original, module flashed whenever there is a major update, such as the current TCM flash, that's worth getting.

[InferAl]

*Both* SRT8 TSB tranny flashes provide great improvement for all 5.7s.

Interesting. After getting the first SRT8 TSB tranny flash my 90-series factory TCM updated to AG from AE. Your Heat Stage 1 90-series TCM shows AF.

Your Heat Stage 1 90-series TCM should actually be considered an AF+, since Heat has modified it to provide you the performance parameters you ordered and paid for.

We're all going to have to pay close attention, Al, as we gather additional ECMs and TCMs, to insure we don't inadvertenty get the aftermarket, not the original, module flashed whenever there is a major update, such as the current TCM flash, that's worth getting.

When I got the Aftermarket TCM it actually didn't look new and it had the label peeled off.When this whole TCM controversy I thought maybe I had gotten a DCX TCM from a earlier builddate LX car with firmer shifts but the number I got today really suprised me. To be honest the car shifts pretty good. Even if I get my original the current flash, the tech told me I could not switch back and forth without burning in the one I was going to use??

[CHARGERSHED]

Your lucky you live near someone that is so knowledgeable about these cars and can see and feel the differences firsthand. I don't know anyone around here that has hardly anything done to thier cars.But If I drove around something like Meister's you are right resistance would be futile
As far as modding the LX goes, Meister is fearless... willing to try anything and report his findings... also willing to put his head together with others to try and get solutions to potential problems, so that the rest of us don't pay the price. ( no pun intended, I bet I will save thousands of dollars when I am ready to start engine upgrades, all because of Meister)... he definately has a passion for the LX cars, and it is contagious!

[Meister]

When I got the Aftermarket TCM it actually didn't look new and it had the label peeled off.When this whole TCM controversy I thought maybe I had gotten a DCX TCM from a earlier builddate LX car with firmer shifts but the number I got today really suprised me. To be honest the car shifts pretty good. Even if I get my original the current flash, the tech told me I could not switch back and forth without burning in the one I was going to use??Your initial presumption about your aftermarket TCM may well be correct, Al. But if it delivers what was promised, as it appears it has, all's well in my book. I believe it's likely that additional modification by Heat, above & beyond what they purchased as a starting point, has been performed.

I'm not quite sure what your tech was trying to tell you, Al, but it's either incorrect or of no consequence. Here's why: You've obviously either had your dealer flash your VIN to your aftermarket TCM, or you had Heat do it for you so it would be ready on arrival. So we know it's good to go. The car fired right up when you first installed it, and it'll fire right up whenever you reconnect it, even if you've had major flashes done to the original while you were running it.

Your original TCM was working when you disconnected it; it'll be working fine whenever you re-connect to it. Any flashes to it will be done with it active in your car, so it remains ready.

Just as one can swap ECMs at will, so can one swap properly activated TCMs at will. So no worries.

And you've constantly got a functional spare TCM only connection-time away from getting you back underway if something should ever happen to the active TCM - yet another advantage of going to a second, dedicated TCM.

[InferAl]

I think he was trying to say that all the computer parts are all tied in with one another and when the new tcm gets flashed in all the other components recognize that TCM and if I would plug in the old one even though it was flashed to my vin now the other components do not recognize it and they get confused and wouldn't work right. Maybe it is like the addaptives talked about in the other thread. He said everytime you change a component like TCM or PCM or whatever each one is "burned" in his words into the other components because they are all interweaved with each other and there is always a record that things were altered. He told me a lot of things and I followed it the best I could.

[Meister]

I think he was trying to say that all the computer parts are all tied in with one another and when the new tcm gets flashed in all the other components recognize that TCM and if I would plug in the old one even though it was flashed to my vin now the other components do not recognize it and they get confused and wouldn't work right. Maybe it is like the addaptives talked about in the other thread. He said everytime you change a component like TCM or PCM or whatever each one is "burned" in his words into the other components because they are all interweaved with each other and there is always a record that things were altered. He told me a lot of things and I followed it the best I could.While true, it's essentially of no consequence and likely unnoticeable to you.

So, like I said earlier, no worries. Drive car, have fun. :racing:

[Johnnyvav]

As far as modding the LX goes, Meister is fearless... willing to try anything and report his findings... also willing to put his head together with others to try and get solutions to potential problems, so that the rest of us don't pay the price. ( no pun intended, I bet I will save thousands of dollars when I am ready to start engine upgrades, all because of Meister)... he definately has a passion for the LX cars, and it is contagious!

He's kinda like Mikey from the old Chex cereal commercials. Give it to Meister, He'll try anything!!!

:beerchug:

[crhemi]

As far as modding the LX goes, Meister is fearless... willing to try anything and report his findings... also willing to put his head together with others to try and get solutions to potential problems, so that the rest of us don't pay the price. ( no pun intended, I bet I will save thousands of dollars when I am ready to start engine upgrades, all because of Meister)... he definately has a passion for the LX cars, and it is contagious!

Thanks Meister!

[InferAl]

Is the prefix on the PCM number the same as the TCM prefix. the last 4 of my PCM is 80AG I will find out when I slap the original TCM in next to the aftermarket and go to have it flashed, but just curoiuos. Als curious why some get RT's end up AI and some end up AK ??

Thanks AL

[Hemissary]

Flash or file/firmware upload is adding to, appending, or replacing/overwriting an existing file. Initialization is a process controlled by a StarSCAN device to initiate a two-way communication (handshake) between modules containing their own firmware (possibly of differing versions).

Once a TCM (for example) is recognized by your PCM, you can remove it at will and install another (which is also recognized your PCM) without issue "after" both units have been intorduced to each other by way of StarSCAN. We must be careful when refering to DCX intializing a module to be recognized by the PCM as not being flashed, but rather setting the communications protocol .

[InferAl]

Flash or file/firmware upload is adding to, appending, or replacing/overwriting an existing file. Initialization is a process controlled by a StarSCAN device to initiate a two-way communication (handshake) between modules containing their own firmware (possibly of differing versions).

Once a TCM (for example) is recognized by your PCM, you can remove it at will and install another (which is also recognized your PCM) without issue "after" both units have been intorduced to each other by way of StarSCAN. We must be careful when refering to DCX intializing a module to be recognized by the PCM as not being flashed, but rather setting the communications protocol .



The first part means my 2 TCM's one the cars original the second the Heat stage 1 that was flashed in by the dealer can be switched back and forth like Miester stated, correct. But the second part I don't really understand.

[Fast56k]

My car is completely different since the TCM flash update. I have to learn how to drive my CSRT-8 all over again. I got some terrible times at the track last night because I lost some traction at the line and she shifted to 2nd. Unbelievable. It was super agrivating. I did get a 13.491. Didn't beat my 13.472 best but it was a nice ride. If I had it to do over, I would keep the original TCM flash and use the B&G to help the shifting. There is a difference with the TCM flash, but I don't believe it is enough for what you lose when it autoshifts in autostick. The B&G firms up shifts sufficiently and removes the shift hesitation in D. Meister was there last night and he can tell you how miffed I was about it shifting on it's own and killing my ability to really drive the thing. It did feel good to race the Meister and win... The rematch is going to be that much more painfull when he kills me.

C.
__________________
Silver 06 SRT-8

"Put a Dodge in garage...hooonnnneeeyyyy."

[Hemissary]

Duh, your right, it does not read the way I wanted;

Essentially, you could take out your factory-installed TCM, install another, use StarSCAN to initialize the new unit, and "still" be able to re-install your previous TCM (or switch back and forth between the two units) without having to re-connect to StarSCAN.

The first part means my 2 TCM's one the cars original the second the Heat stage 1 that was flashed in by the dealer can be switched back and forth like Miester stated, correct. But the second part I don't really understand.

[InferAl]

Duh, your right, it does not read the way I wanted;

Essentially, you could take out your factory-installed TCM, install another, use StarSCAN to initialize the new unit, and "still" be able to re-install your previous TCM (or switch back and forth between the two units) without having to re-connect to StarSCAN.

I just stuck my previous TCM in next to the Heat TCM because I was going to see if I could get the flash done in the next couple days and I hooked up the old one ang I got a Check engine light. the car runs ok but the light won't go out ??

[Hemissary]

The TCM may need to grounded (as in mounted). What code did it leave?

[InferAl]

The TCM may need to grounded (as in mounted). What code did it leave?

How do you get the code it just has the engine icon lit up

[fnkychkn]

How do you get the code it just has the engine icon lit up
you can use the key dance method to retrieve powertrain DTCs.

[InferAl]

you can use the key dance method to retrieve powertrain DTCs.

Thanks
Did that and didn't get anything not even _ _ _ _ so I came back in read somemore tried it again nothing came back in read somemore went back out and it was gone ????

[JLO/RT]

where do you find a list of TSB's?

[fnkychkn]

where do you find a list of TSB's?
here (http://www.300cforums.com/forums/tsb-recall-forum/15480-tsbs-complete-list-all-tsbs-recalls-issued-2005-2007-lx-models.html)

[JLO/RT]

thank you.

I am going in for an oil change this weekend.
I am not familiar with the TSB's. Should I ask for a flash update?
or request the TSB's fullfilled?

[fnkychkn]

most dealers will only flash or perform TSBs if there is a valid concern, unless you are willing to pay for the service.

[Meister]

thank you.

I am going in for an oil change this weekend.
I am not familiar with the TSB's. Should I ask for a flash update?
or request the TSB's fullfilled?I suggest you read Nightshade's post #123 in this thread, and the several before and after that one, puhtz. He offers a very realistic suggestion as to "how-to" that worked for him and for others.

[InferAl]

Just had the flash done today on my stock TCM which was 04692392AF and it took it to 04692392AK also there was a PCM upgrade that said Rear Wheels Dr 50-142 whatever that meant but it took my PCM from 05094680AG to 05094680AI. It seemed to shift firm but the shift from 1 to 2 was at about 5250-5300 Rpm and 2 to 3 was around 5500. I tried to do some burnouts doing a little powerbake just to see if it would bounce off the rev limiter or shift to 2 being that the shiftpoint was lower but by the time I got somewhere were I could do that the temp was going up above 200 degrees because I put the factory themostat back in for the winter and the wheels were'nt spinning enough to even tach that high. So maybe I'll fool around with it for a few more days but will definately go back to my Heat Stage 1
Al

[Jaak]

Anyone had it done on their 3.5 L yet?

[Meister]

Just had the flash done today on my stock TCM which was 04692392AF and it took it to 04692392AK also there was a PCM upgrade that said Rear Wheels Dr 50-142 whatever that meant but it took my PCM from 05094680AG to 05094680AI. It seemed to shift firm but the shift from 1 to 2 was at about 5250-5300 Rpm and 2 to 3 was around 5500. I tried to do some burnouts doing a little powerbake just to see if it would bounce off the rev limiter or shift to 2 being that the shiftpoint was lower but by the time I got somewhere were I could do that the temp was going up above 200 degrees because I put the factory themostat back in for the winter and the wheels were'nt spinning enough to even tach that high. So maybe I'll fool around with it for a few more days but will definately go back to my Heat Stage 1
Al
Disconnect your battery for 5 minutes or so, Al, then warm the the car up nicely and try it again. You may find that it's noticeably more peppy and crisp then.

[InferAl]

Is the prefix on the PCM number the same as the TCM prefix. the last 4 of my PCM is 80AG I will find out when I slap the original TCM in next to the aftermarket and go to have it flashed, but just curoiuos. Also curious why some get RT's end up AI and some end up AK ??

Thanks AL

This is still a curiousity I thought it was a R/T or SRT thing but it just seems that A TCM ending in 90 after the flash becomes AI and a TCM ending in 92 after the flash becomes AK. So I took my factory TCM which was 92AF had if flashed and it became 92AK. So if I took my aftermarket TCM which is 90AF it would more than likely have become a 90AI ??? So are TCM's ending in 90 just different builddates than the ones ending in 92 and nothing to do with R/T or SRT. Hope maybe this helps us understand maybe a little more

[InferAl]

Disconnect your battery for 5 minutes or so, Al, then warm the the car up nicely and try it again. You may find that it's noticeably more peppy and crisp then.

Isn't there just a fuse I can pull. Thats why I figured I would play around with it for the weekend, my car when it gets up over 205 really starts to loose power. But the shifpoints are just what Chargershed experienced after going to AK and he never said but I would think that it was 92AK just like Nightshade went from 90AE to 90AI but he still had high shiftpoints. Sorry to keep digging but this TCM thing has been like a mystery and we have to solve it

[fnkychkn]

Isn't there just a fuse I can pull. Thats why I figured I would play around with it for the weekend, my car when it gets up over 205 really starts to loose power. But the shifpoints are just what Chargershed experienced after going to AK and he never said but I would think that it was 92AK just like Nightshade went from 90AE to 90AI but he still had high shiftpoints. Sorry to keep digging but this TCM thing has been like a mystery and we have to solve it
there is no FUSED B+ feed to TCM, therefore no fuse to pull. TCM only powers up at key on.

[Jaak]

Also curious why some get RT's end up AI and some end up AK ??

As far as I can tell, 2005 LX's get AI and 2006 LX's get AK. But I'm no expert.

New Part # 04692390AI supersedes :
04692390AA
04692390AB
04692390AC
04692390AD
04692390AE
04692390AF
04692390AG
04692390AH
Vehicle Description :
2005 LX - 3.5L V-6 HIGH OUTPUT 24V (MPI)
2005 LX - 5.7L HEMI MULTI DISPLACEMENT
2005 LX - 6.1L SRT HEMI (SMPI) V8

New Part # 04692392AK supersedes :
04692392AA
04692392AB
04692392AC
04692392AD
04692392AE
04692392AF
04692392AG
04692392AH
04692392AI
04692392AJ
Vehicle Description :
2006 LX - 3.5L V-6 HIGH OUTPUT 24V (MPI)
2006 LX - 5.7L HEMI MULTI DISPLACEMENT
2006 LX - 6.1L SRT HEMI (SMPI) V8

[InferAl]

As far as I can tell, 2005 LX's get AI and 2006 LX's get AK. But I'm no expert.

New Part # 04692390AI supersedes :
04692390AA
04692390AB
04692390AC
04692390AD
04692390AE
04692390AF
04692390AG
04692390AH
Vehicle Description :
2005 LX - 3.5L V-6 HIGH OUTPUT 24V (MPI)
2005 LX - 5.7L HEMI MULTI DISPLACEMENT
2005 LX - 6.1L SRT HEMI (SMPI) V8

New Part # 04692392AK supersedes :
04692392AA
04692392AB
04692392AC
04692392AD
04692392AE
04692392AF
04692392AG
04692392AH
04692392AI
04692392AJ
Vehicle Description :
2006 LX - 3.5L V-6 HIGH OUTPUT 24V (MPI)
2006 LX - 5.7L HEMI MULTI DISPLACEMENT
2006 LX - 6.1L SRT HEMI (SMPI) V8

Well the 2005 90 series must react better to the flash than the 2006 92 series just as some of the 2005 90's had firmer more agressive shifts and performed better than the later 92 models

[Meister]

Isn't there just a fuse I can pull. Thats why I figured I would play around with it for the weekend, my car when it gets up over 205 really starts to loose power. But the shifpoints are just what Chargershed experienced after going to AK and he never said but I would think that it was 92AK just like Nightshade went from 90AE to 90AI but he still had high shiftpoints. Sorry to keep digging but this TCM thing has been like a mystery and we have to solve itYou'll get a much more complete "reboot", if you will, if you'll disconnect the battery vice merely pulling fuse 11.

Pulling fuse 11, in the forward PDC, is better than doing nothing.

Where chips or flashes are concerned, disconnecting the battery for 5 minutes or so provides far superior results to merely pulling fuse 11 in my experience.

[fnkychkn]

You'll get a much more complete "reboot", if you will, if you'll disconnect the battery vice merely pulling fuse 11.

Pulling fuse 11, in the forward PDC, is better than doing nothing.

Where chips or flashes are concerned, disconnecting the battery for 5 minutes or so provides far superior results to merely pulling fuse 11 in my experience.
disconnecting battery will have no effect on TCM because it has no B+ feed. it only powers up at key on.

[InferAl]

What was that PCM update I got Rear Wheels 50-142. It was something like that.It took my PCM from AG to AI

[Sonny]

About a month ago when I had a malfunction light come on the service rep said they had to reprogram my TCM. I just looked at my work invoiceand it said reprogramed PCM for TSB. I wonder if it was a typo and it should have said TCM. I sure get fast shifts. Before at redline the rev limiter would hesitate my car a little, now as soon as it hits redline it shifts instantly. My 05C is completely stock except for K&N dropin filter.

[fnkychkn]

What was that PCM update I got Rear Wheels 50-142. It was something like that.It took my PCM from AG to AI
no idea what the rear wheels 50-142 is all about???????????????

[fnkychkn]

About a month ago when I had a malfunction light come on the service rep said they had to reprogram my TCM. I just looked at my work invoiceand it said reprogramed PCM for TSB. I wonder if it was a typo and it should have said TCM. I sure get fast shifts. Before at redline the rev limiter would hesitate my car a little, now as soon as it hits redline it shifts instantly. My 05C is completely stock except for K&N dropin filter.
most likely a typo. PCM flashes have very limited effect on transmission operation.

[InferAl]

no idea what the rear wheels 50-142 is all about???????????????

Yeah we stuck in my TCM and vin and looked for TCM flashes and the TCM flash came up we did that and I said check if theres any thing for the PCM checked for flashes and that came up and he said ya want to do it I said go ahead, he didn't know what it was either but it went from AG to AI so it must have been some update ?? After that we cleared all the stored codes. Oh yea I had him recalibrate the throttle

[Meister]

disconnecting battery will have no effect on TCM because it has no B+ feed. it only powers up at key on.Al also had the PCM flashed, Funky, bringing it from AG to AI. The post where I made the initial recommendation to disconnect the battery was addressing primarily the PCM.

Hence the battery pull to help insure that the PCM has fully re-inventoried and gotten on task.

[fnkychkn]

Yeah we stuck in my TCM and vin and looked for TCM flashes and the TCM flash came up we did that and I said check if theres any thing for the PCM checked for flashes and that came up and he said ya want to do it I said go ahead, he didn't know what it was either but it went from AG to AI so it must have been some update ?? After that we cleared all the stored codes. Oh yea I had him recalibrate the throttle
think i found your answer. just looked up all available flash files for '06 RT and found several for REAR WHEEL DRIVE, several others for 50 STATES, and a few more for 142 MPH MEXICO & GCC (whatever that means???).

i know it's not a definitive answer but it's a good clue. :)

[CHARGERSHED]

Just had the flash done today on my stock TCM which was 04692392AF and it took it to 04692392AK also there was a PCM upgrade that said Rear Wheels Dr 50-142 whatever that meant but it took my PCM from 05094680AG to 05094680AI. It seemed to shift firm but the shift from 1 to 2 was at about 5250-5300 Rpm and 2 to 3 was around 5500. I tried to do some burnouts doing a little powerbake just to see if it would bounce off the rev limiter or shift to 2 being that the shiftpoint was lower but by the time I got somewhere were I could do that the temp was going up above 200 degrees because I put the factory themostat back in for the winter and the wheels were'nt spinning enough to even tach that high. So maybe I'll fool around with it for a few more days but will definately go back to my Heat Stage 1
Al
drive it like you stole it for a few days... mine snap shifts into second at 56-5700 rpms while in "D"... it still upshifts into second to quick after a rolling downshift( while in "D") but I can powerbrake smoky burnouts with a stock t-stat...it still needs to "learn" how you drive...so get on it!!

[Meister]

... and a few more for 142 MPH MEXICO & GCC (whatever that means???)...That's the Gulf Cooperation Council, where 80% or so of the world's oil reserves are, funky.

The countries of the GCC are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and the Sultanate of Oman. Only poor ol' Yemen, the land of the Queen of Sheba, gets excluded.

[fnkychkn]

That's the Gulf Cooperation Council, where 80% or so of the world's oil reserves are, funky.

The countries of the GCC are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and the Sultanate of Oman. Only poor ol' Yemen, the land of the Queen of Sheba, gets excluded.
yet another thing i learned here on LXforums. thanks Meister. :thumbs_u:

[fullofit_]

About 3 or 4 weeks ago my 5.7 05 "C" faltered for a second and a chime went off and an orange light came on. The next morning I brought it to the dealer and they said they downloaded the latest PCM download for torqe management. On the way home I tested the car out and couldn't believe the difference. From a standing start at idle with ESP off, flooring the car I squealed the tires over 100' and had to let off the throtle to stop the spinning. Also the car was fishtailing. The same start with ESP on still gave me about 50' of burning rubber. Before this download, my car barely would chirp the tires at WOT. The following week I brought the car in for an oil change and asked the service manager the TSB# and he said each vin# had its own TSB# and there was no standard #. All my statement said was a TSB PCM download. The sevice manager didn't make any sense to me. I believe they downloaded something that they didn't want anyone to know what it was.

They provided this flash for my daytona, I did not know about it, the service department just checked to see if there were any updates, found this one and installed it. We were right at 2400 miles at the time, so I had not ever really pushed her at that point. I cannot tell you if the flash made any real improvement, as I have no point of reference. I can tell you I have no complaints about it.

all the best
now drive on
full

[InferAl]

drive it like you stole it for a few days... mine snap shifts into second at 56-5700 rpms while in "D"... it still upshifts into second to quick after a rolling downshift( while in "D") but I can powerbrake smoky burnouts with a stock t-stat...it still needs to "learn" how you drive...so get on it!!

Yeah I'm going to leave it in for a while, it's not a big concern cause I have both TCM's right next to each other I can change whenever I want. I've always driven it like I stole it JUST CAN'T HELP MYSELF!!!. Again last night 1 to 2 couldn't hit the 5500 mark. Did powerbrake and didn't shift to 2 just bounced off the rev limiter.When I mentioned the stock T-stat, even with the fan running the temp runs well over 200 and trying to get the wheels spinning around 210 or better well forget it.We did a interesting thing on the dyno one day we experimented with different temperatures, from the best pull with engine oil temp starting at 152 and ending at 161 compared to the worst one starting at engine oil temp 212 and ending at 219 at the heat soaked temp the car lost just about 11 RWHP and 22.6 FT LBS of Torque.

[Fast56k]

Can't believe it, I hit the tranny rev limiter in autostick with the first level of traction control removed. I was burning out in the water box and she ran straight up to the tranny limiter and shut the tranny down and killed the throttle. Looks like we have a bug in the AK flash.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

[My Hemi]

Can't believe it, I hit the tranny rev limiter in autostick with the first level of traction control removed. I was burning out in the water box and she ran straight up to the tranny limiter and shut the tranny down and killed the throttle. Looks like we have a bug in the AK flash.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

Maybe your flash wasnt installed right? I dont hit the rev limter and i shift into the next gear at around 6100-6200 rpm autostick mode...D I think its around 6000 rpm.....

[Jaak]

Maybe your flash wasnt installed right? I dont hit the rev limter and i shift into the next gear at around 6100-6200 rpm autostick mode...D I think its around 6000 rpm.....

With the ESP off as Fast said?

[My Hemi]

With the ESP off as Fast said?

No what im saying since my flash i never bounced off the rev limter in any modeit shifts just before redlone, esp on or off.....so maybe he doesnt have the flash we do?????

[InferAl]

Maybe your flash wasnt installed right? I dont hit the rev limter and i shift into the next gear at around 6100-6200 rpm autostick mode...D I think its around 6000 rpm.....

He was in the water box doing a burnout no traction. With no traction wheels spinning engine taching up really fast do you still shift into 2

[My Hemi]

He was in the water box doing a burnout no traction. With no traction wheels spinning engine taching up really fast do you still shift into 2

Havent done a burnout yet but im guessing its going to shift before redline thats the way its designed now....I dont do what most guys do anyways I leave the car in drive and let it shift when heating the tires up...always have on every car i raced....

[InferAl]

I'm just curious because in 100 times I shifted to 2 once and I don't know why it did all the other times it bounced off the limiter but I would like it to shift to 2 all the time and just trying to figure it out

[My Hemi]

I'm just curious because in 100 times I shifted to 2 once and I don't know why it did all the other times it bounced off the limiter but I would like it to shift to 2 all the time and just trying to figure it out

Well i can tell you this that few times i tested it ,It shifted into 2nd everytime did not hit the limter but i also dont floor my car every second nor to i shift it either i usually leave it in D and esp off and drive it like that ....LOL

[InferAl]

Well i can tell you this that few times i tested it ,It shifted into 2nd everytime did not hit the limter but i also dont floor my car every second nor to i shift it either i usually leave it in D and esp off and drive it like that ....LOL

I was just talking about when doing a burnout

[My Hemi]

I was just talking about when doing a burnout

Oh ok sorry dont know that question ...Tracks are closed here wont know til spring.....:)

[InferAl]

Oh ok sorry dont know that question ...Tracks are closed here wont know til spring.....:)

There closed here to I just love doing burnouts. It's just a little embarrasing when all the guys are there and you want to show off a little bit and the tires lite up and it bangs the limiter and dies

[My Hemi]

There closed here to I just love doing burnouts

LOL i do too but the cost of my Tires i'll pass......:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[InferAl]

LOL i do too but the cost of my Tires i'll pass......:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I hear that but I got 4 sitting in the basement got a really good deal so I figured I could sacrifice 2 and then settle down

[Fast56k]

You know how you can turn the ESP off at different levels. I had turned my car off to cool and started it without holding the button down for 8 seconds. When I went to burn out in the water box she fell on her face. I didn't have time to turn ESP completely off, so I quickly pushed the first level. Then I burned out and she went up right past red line and hit the tranny limiter. I had to restart to get the tranny back and make my run. I doubt anyone has burned out using the first level removal of ESP and it seems the program left that level out for autoshift in autostick.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

[Meister]

You know how you can turn the ESP off at different levels. I had turned my car off to cool and started it without holding the button down for 8 seconds. When I went to burn out in the water box she fell on her face. I didn't have time to turn ESP completely off, so I quickly pushed the first level. Then I burned out and she went up right past red line and hit the tranny limiter. I had to restart to get the tranny back and make my run. I doubt anyone has burned out using the first level removal of ESP and it seems the program left that level out for autoshift in autostick.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8Lol (I'm laughing with you, Fast', not at you). I understand your frustration.

Have you verified, on the street, that you can put the car in first gear, roll the power on to WOT, and observe it smoothly but crisply shift, at redline, to second? If your car was flashed with TSB 21-020-06, the latest SRT8 TSB flash, and it "took" properly it should certainly do that.

If it won't then I'd consider it essentially not flashed and would have it repeated. (This may be a good time to visit the west side and let Luke Moore & Erik or Richard take great care of you.) :racing:

[Fast56k]

Lol (I'm laughing with you, Fast', not at you). I understand your frustration.

Have you verified, on the street, that you can put the car in first gear, roll the power on to WOT, and observe it smoothly but crisply shift, at redline, to second? If your car was flashed with TSB 21-020-06, the latest SRT8 TSB flash, and it "took" properly it should certainly do that.

If it won't then I'd consider it essentially not flashed and would have it repeated. (This may be a good time to visit the west side and let Luke Moore & Erik or Richard take great care of you.) :racing:

I think others should give her a try. Remove the first level of ESP and see if she hits the rev limiter and cuts out in autostick. I understand what the TSB is supposed to solve and for those with 5.7s it may not be much to lose manual shift in autostick, but to those who enjoyed it, it is a significant loss. Another interesting piece of info. I cleared all of the tranny "learning" from the TCM and the darned thing acts completely different. Remember, it learned with the old version of the TCM software. Not sure I can quantify it yet as I haven't taken the time, but it is acting very much differently. I have purchased a new AE version TCM so I can go back to the old way at any time.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

[Hemissary]

See post below...

[Hemissary]

Finally able to respond on this issue, when I went previously to have the TCM flashed DCX(!) had pulled the file! I believe I'm responding in the most appropriate thread with my experiences utilizing the TCM flash, but not sure. If I should post this into a more appropriate (existing) thread please let me know;

Test Parameters:
Altitude: 3600ft ASL
Outside temperature: 6C,
Engine temp: ~95C
Full tank/~50Lbs luggage/185Lb humanoid
10/04 build date
Odometer: 5200Km
SRT8 reworked (accessible restrictions enlarged) exhaust system from 5.7 CAT
K&N CAI
FlashPAQ

Performed 0-60mph runs using the data acquisition parameters within the Superchips FlashPAQ. Most notably is that the data acquired was recorded under similar operating conditions before AND after the flash (temp identical, slightly lower baro tonight).For consistency I allowed the transmission to shift in "D" during all tests:

1)Stock, ESP active: 7.03sec
2)FlashPAQ (reduced torque, raised shift points, paddle-hold), ESP active: 6.63sec, 6.52sec (2 runs)
3)FlashPAQ (reduced torque, raised shift points, paddle-hold), ESP OFF: 6.33sec, 6.32sec (2 runs)
4)Same as #2 above, but with adaptive learning reset: 6.74sec
5)Same as #3 above, immediately after adaptive learning run, with fuse #11 removed: 6.52
6)TSB 21-020-06 TCM flash, FlashPAQ (reduced torque, raised shift points, paddle-hold), ESP off, adaptive learning reset yesterday: 6.34, 6.22, 6.16, 6.17

With the raised shift points from the FlashPAQ, at WOT I consistently observed 6250rpm at each and every shift before and after the flash. There was a distinct shift-lag present during 1-2 shift event prior to the TSB flash. Now the 1-2 shift is significantly better (shorter duration), reverse to D delay is gone, and downshifting from any gear occurs over a shorter period of time. One thing I feel (in the butt), is that a redline of 6250rpm is too high for the present mods (or lack thereof). Acceleration drops off considerably after 6000rpm.

Some more data:
Superchips ECU data tag upon boot-up: 04896415AF (did not change after flash)
TCM serial number (SN) prior to flash: 04692390AE
TCM serial number (SN) after DCX flash: 04692390AI (remember - 05' Magnum)
7 blocks (versus previous existing 6) of data were downloaded during this download

Although TSB 21-020-06 is not stated (in the release notes) as an identifiable and legitimate downloadable file for the 5.7 platform , online application notes through StarSCAN indeed state it is applicable to any/all 5.7 platforms along with SRT's, selected Jeep models, and the 3.7 platforms utilizing the same transmission. There was no need to invoke a warranty override to install this TSB. We diddled around with version "AK" (for 06 LX platforms) for the fun of it, but settled for version "AI".

I'm happy with the $79.00CAN spent at the dealership to (finally) get this done.

[Lik2race]

Had Car in to have problem with Turn Signal/Windshield Wiper
problem fixed ( turn on turn signal,sometimes windshield wiper came on ),
and to have the Tranny Flash done.
After all items were completed, I looked at the Invoice,saw that it
said..TSB 18-031-05 done to correct 1-2 shifting problem per
customer's request. ...KOOL! ... As I left the Dealer, I "punched' it
up in 1st, had a nice, clean shift at about where redline was ( was
watching road at same time), car felt good..real good. Got home,
got FlashPaq out to reinstall into car, Got Error Code E6D Code 04896415AK.
I called SuperChips, spoke with Chris, told me to update my Tuner.
I did the Update. ...Then got Error Code E6F..called and talked to
Ryan..told me to uninstall all the drivers, program, updates, etc...
and reinstall from the web page again. OK..I'll do that..and started
to do so....Got Codes: L4-A Tuner Reset Error has occurred,,Code
K4: A Tuner Connection Error has occurred. Then said "Tuner
Connection Error"..Then said "Session Terminated". Tried to call
back, lines busy..Sent Email with the info I got....Email received
" This is currently being worked on right now. This should be sent to you soon to use
. I would say by around mid next week.
Thanks "
So..I sit here with my FlashPaq lying on my Desk,
USB cable disconnected, waiting till this "UPDATE"
comes to me..."around mid next week"
S * I T ****
Kinda like Murphy's Law..if it's gonna happen..it'll
happen to me..

[LowGo]

It's not just you Lik2race. I downloaded DB61, which is suppose to work with the updated PCM. I got the E-6F error code too when trying to install a custom tune. It also won't let me do anything with the tranny settings now that I've updated the TCM. Guess we'll just have to wait to see what Superchips comes up with next week. :sad:

[Hemissary]

You should have been more succinct, you allowed them to flash your PCM as opposed to your TCM...

[Lik2race]

You should have been more succinct, you allowed them to flash your PCM as opposed to your TCM...

According to the Invioce..It says
.."Customer states check shifting--stumbles between
1st & 2nd when accelerating; see TSB
Found TSB for concern
Performed TSB and updated PCM and TCM..18-031-05 "

What does succinct mean ?
Sorry...Old dumb guy here...:doh:
Stan

[LowGo]

What does succinct mean ?
Sorry...Old dumb guy here...:doh:


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[Lik2race]

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err..Thanks..
Stan

[Meister]

"Specific" is actually the intent of Moebius' comment, based on context.

He's suggesting that you should have told them to flash the TCM only, not the PCM, which the work order shows that they flashed as well.

Like I told you elsewhere, Stan, the tech was apparently being "helpful", saw some areas in the PCM that had an available update, and flashed your PCM for you out of kindness/thoroughness.

It is becoming more and more necessary for us to be specific to the tech these days as to what does, and what does not, get flashed, as it's becoming almost the norm to have a second PCM, or a second TCM, or both.

But in your case you really had no reason to think you needed to tell them not to flash the PCM.

Neither of the two TSBs in discussion here requires the PCM to be flashed - they are both TCM-specific. And for all of us but the 6.1s, one TSB is just as good as the other. They're identical, for all intents & purposes in all respects but the final letter of your TCM p/n when you finish: G or I, for 2005s, and H or K for 2006s.

For the 6.1s, of course, the newer TSB changes shift logic from paddle Hold to paddle Kick, much to the consternation of some.

[Lik2race]

Thanks Meister for putiing it into words that even I , can understand.
I'll just wait for Super Chips to catch up...Hopefully it won't be long.
AND...I have learned to be succinct ....LOL

[Hemissary]

Apologies Lik2race, Meister's suggestion is precisely what I meant :^)

regards

[Lik2race]

Apologies Lik2race, Meister's suggestion is precisely what I meant :^)

regards

No Worries..it's ALL good..

[Meister]

If anything, Stan, you were *too* succinct, not insufficiently succinct. :wink:

Everyone with a tuner of any kind should be prepared to leave specific instructions with the service writer to advise the tech *NOT* to flash the PCM.

Or be prepared to suffer the consequences, one of which frequently is being "locked out" of your tuner till an update from the mfr. arrives.

[LowGo]

Everyone with a tuner of any kind should be prepared to leave specific instructions with the service writer to advise the tech *NOT* to flash the PCM.

Or be prepared to suffer the consequences, one of which frequently is being "locked out" of your tuner till an update from the mfr. arrives.

That's true. However, even with just the TCM flashed I would assume that the tranny control of the flashpaq would still be disabled. That's actually the part of the flashpaq that I'm missing the most... as I don't like the stock autostick behavior. And, since I paid for my update, I figured why not have them do everything at once. :wink:

[Meister]

That's true. However, even with just the TCM flashed I would assume that the tranny control of the flashpaq would still be disabled. That's actually the part of the flashpaq that I'm missing the most... as I don't like the stock autostick behavior. And, since I paid for my update, I figured why not have them do everything at once. :wink:With only the TCM flashed, M-cubed, you're in situation normal, but with a squared-away TCM, the situation that 99% of the people are in.

If your assumption were correct every one of us with the flashpaq who has had the TCM flashed with either of these two great TSB flashes would have "...tranny control of the flashpaq...disabled."

That, of course, is not the case.

Have ONLY the TCM flashed and you'll have no problems.

[Fast56k]

Just put my stock AE up against the AK on the dyno. The AE had about 3 more horses. Both were run in D.

Proof?

C.

Siilver 06 CSRT-8

[Meister]

Just put my stock AE up against the AK on the dyno. The AE had about 3 more horses. Both were run in D.

Proof?

C.

Siilver 06 CSRT-8The TSB flashed your TCM, Fast', NOT your PCM. Therefore, this flash has no effect on your horsepower.

What you're seeing is standard deviation error. 3 hp is well w/in the allowable error range. This dyno run could have gone either way, and *will* roughly half the time.

The *track* is where the performance advantages of this new tranny shift TSB will show itself.

I know that for you the track is a touchy subject right now re. the new flash. But for anyone who was getting the big lag on the 1-2 shift, its removal will, in fact, net them lower ETs.

[Lost815]

Okay, Ihave been trying to find this TSB 18-031-05
But I don;t know where people ar looking. Memebers are saying that they printed up the TSB and took to the dealer, but what is it that they are printing out?

[Lik2race]

Life is Good..Very Good..Dodge Beta at Super Chips has been
working with me and this FlashPaq problem..He has solved the
downloading of the Tuner problem; Program Version 1.05C..
loaded it to my FlashPaq without any problems, then installed it in
my car..Loaded right up..looks good..am a happy camper now..
Will be going out to give it a "test run"
Thanks Super Chips for helping me....:rock:
Stan

[Lik2race]

Okay, Ihave been trying to find this TSB 18-031-05
But I don;t know where people ar looking. Memebers are saying that they printed up the TSB and took to the dealer, but what is it that they are printing out?
Go HERE:
http://www.300cforums.com/forums/tsb-recall-forum/15480-tsbs-complete-list-all-tsbs-recalls-issued-2005-2007-lx-models.html

ALL THE TSB'S
Stan

[Lik2race]

I'm Impressed...I loaded the NEW Program without any problem,
as it should be ( again my Thanks to Delta Beta-Flashpaq.com ).
Car runs great, shifts are snappy & solid, no hesitation at all. BAM !
I Like it. During my "Test Run"..I heard the tires 'chirp' twice when
shifting from 1st to 2nd..From a stop..stomp to WOT...Tires will spin
a bit, then hook up. Wouldn't do that before,had to footbrake it to
make 'em squeal. But...IF you DO footbrake, and hit the Gas,
be prepared to smoke up some tires, when all the way to redline,then
shifted to 2nd, tires still smokin some. I let off..not quite ready to
buy new tires. But, with this "flash"..I see 'em coming sooner than
I wanted. Oh well..the price of performance.
:racing: :bling: :magburno:

My hat is off to Delta Beta.. :cool: He did all this new programming, working
on my problem, testing it out, making sure I got it , and installed
the program in MY car without ANY Codes, Files, glitches, or any
other thing that might cause a problem, and He did ALL this on a
Saturday morning . Working overtime on the weekend to solve a
Customer's problem ( Might have been MANY customer's problem).
Not many people,or company, would go that far. My deepest
appreciation to you and SuperChips for Version V 1.05c.
Stan aka Lik2race

[LowGo]

With only the TCM flashed, M-cubed, you're in situation normal, but with a squared-away TCM, the situation that 99% of the people are in.

If your assumption were correct every one of us with the flashpaq who has had the TCM flashed with either of these two great TSB flashes would have "...tranny control of the flashpaq...disabled."

That, of course, is not the case.

Have ONLY the TCM flashed and you'll have no problems.

Hmmm... that's interesting to know. The flashpaq tranny changes must be done in the PCM then (or both PCM & TCM)?! I only assumed that because, with the latest flashpaq DB61, it let me go through all the settings changes except the tranny (which it said I needed an update to the flashpaq when I went to that screen).

Oh well, other than not having the autostick operate the way I like, the car runs fine. I can wait for Superchips to get it all squared away! :wink:

[Jaak]

The TSB flashed your TCM, Fast', NOT your PCM. Therefore, this flash has no effect on your horsepower.

What you're seeing is standard deviation error. 3 hp is well w/in the allowable error range. This dyno run could have gone either way, and *will* roughly half the time.

The *track* is where the performance advantages of this new tranny shift TSB will show itself.

I know that for you the track is a touchy subject right now re. the new flash. But for anyone who was getting the big lag on the 1-2 shift, its removal will, in fact, net them lower ETs.

Yeah agree... Totally. That big empty gap of silence is your car coasting.

[Meister]

...I can wait for Superchips to get it all squared away! :wink:
Superchips came out with a new update on Friday. Have you tried it yet?

If not, it may well be what you're needing (it's database 61, dated Friday).

[Meister]

I'm Impressed...I loaded the NEW Program without any problem,
as it should be ( again my Thanks to Delta Beta-Flashpaq.com ).
Car runs great, shifts are snappy & solid, no hesitation at all. BAM !
I Like it. During my "Test Run"..I heard the tires 'chirp' twice when
shifting from 1st to 2nd..From a stop..stomp to WOT...Tires will spin
a bit, then hook up. Wouldn't do that before,had to footbrake it to
make 'em squeal. But...IF you DO footbrake, and hit the Gas,
be prepared to smoke up some tires, when all the way to redline,then
shifted to 2nd, tires still smokin some. I let off..not quite ready to
buy new tires. But, with this "flash"..I see 'em coming sooner than
I wanted. Oh well..the price of performance.
:racing: :bling: :magburno:

My hat is off to Delta Beta.. :cool: He did all this new programming, working
on my problem, testing it out, making sure I got it , and installed
the program in MY car without ANY Codes, Files, glitches, or any
other thing that might cause a problem, and He did ALL this on a
Saturday morning . Working overtime on the weekend to solve a
Customer's problem ( Might have been MANY customer's problem).
Not many people,or company, would go that far. My deepest
appreciation to you and SuperChips for Version V 1.05c.
Stan aka Lik2race

Hey, Stan, no fair!

I just downloaded the latest public release (database 61, dated Friday) and it's only v. 1.04. And you're sitting there with v. 1.05c no less. :blam:

'Tain't fair, Magee!!

:wink:

[Fast56k]

The TSB flashed your TCM, Fast', NOT your PCM. Therefore, this flash has no effect on your horsepower.

What you're seeing is standard deviation error. 3 hp is well w/in the allowable error range. This dyno run could have gone either way, and *will* roughly half the time.

The *track* is where the performance advantages of this new tranny shift TSB will show itself.

I know that for you the track is a touchy subject right now re. the new flash. But for anyone who was getting the big lag on the 1-2 shift, its removal will, in fact, net them lower ETs.

So, if the stock AE went into higher RPMS than the AK flash would allow, you don't think that would affect hp? I do.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

[Jaak]

So, if the stock AE went into higher RPMS than the AK flash would allow, you don't think that would affect hp? I do.

C.

Silver 06 CSRT-8

How much you want for your flashed TCM?:) The one that's been ruined by the 2AK flash... I could help you out with some money, since it's now junk.. :)

[LowGo]

Superchips came out with a new update on Friday. Have you tried it yet?

If not, it may well be what you're needing (it's database 61, dated Friday).

I did get DB61. Unfortunately, it errors out when trying to apply a custom tune. I think I need that super secret update that Lik2race got! :wink: