Does the 5.7L have the ability to disable ESP like the SRT? *

[Bandit]

How many times have you heard "I heard about this guy who has an R/T and if he waits for the startup chimes to end, then immediately holds down the ESP button for ten seconds.... he totally disable ESP like on the SRT!!!"

While I was spending my 5 hours with an SRT Engineer today reprogramming my car I asked him specifically about this myth.

The switch has nothing to do with the difference between ESP in the R/T's and SRTs. The difference is how long the message is being sent to the unit that controls all of it.

The R/T is simply INCAPABLE of doing this.

The SRT system has to be programmed especially to accept this particular signal, and this is only done by SRT... not by Dodge, so there can be no LX leaving the factory accidentally with this "3rd position ESP" as in the SRT versions.

I asked him why some people report being able to get the system to "chime" after holding it long enough. His reply was that there is a safety system set up where if something was inadvertantly holding down the ESP button (say you were carrying a large box in the front seat and it was unintentionally leaning on the button holding it in) that the chime alrts you to this, and continued pressure will result in the ESP defaulting and re-engaging fully.

[Tbird100636]

The programming is not done by SRT, it is actually a different Continental Teves module, a Mark 25E instead of the Mark 25. You hold the button down for five seconds and it shuts it off. There is a 5.7L application with the Mark 25E module-cop cars!!!

[JonzMgnm]

The programming is not done by SRT, it is actually a different Continental Teves module, a Mark 25E instead of the Mark 25. You hold the button down for five seconds and it shuts it off. There is a 5.7L application with the Mark 25E module-cop cars!!!

So are you saying that with the module mentioned above in hand, I can have the SRT style ESP disable feature on an RT? And if so, does it require a key cycle to reset the ESP like the various ESP disable mods currently available?

[Tbird100636]

So are you saying that with the module mentioned above in hand, I can have the SRT style ESP disable feature on an RT? And if so, does it require a key cycle to reset the ESP like the various ESP disable mods currently available?
:doh:No. Cop cars are essentially stripped models with an exclusive wiring harness and brake components. The Mark 25E is wired differentely and works differentely than the Mark 25. It doesn't have the pedal travel sensor, a brake pressure sensor, or an active booster. DCX specifically said in the 8/2005 technical reference book "LX model update" that vehicles with Mark 25 cannot be retrofitted to use Mark 25E. Reseting just requires one press of the ESP off switch.

[Spiffywerks]

Enabling Dyno mode through a starscan completely disables ESP, Torque Management, BAS, ABS, etc. :P

[SCOTT57RT]

Thanks for the post. Me and my friend have been wondering about this mysterious ESP since his throttle was severely hindered during a 0 to 60 run we sampled. We had the ESP off, so we were like WTF. It really sucks that you can't fully disable ESP.

[LX HEMI]

Thanks for the post. Me and my friend have been wondering about this mysterious ESP since his throttle was severely hindered during a 0 to 60 run we sampled. We had the ESP off, so we were like WTF. It really sucks that you can't fully disable ESP.
You can if you pull the fuse or get a noesp mod.

[TopBanana_102]

You can if you pull the fuse or get a noesp mod.


Here is a way to disable the ESP at will: http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25225

Handy device.

[Ryanjt]

I was told about the "chime" as well for my 2006 300C. So i tried to just hold down the ESP button for a length of time. After about 15 seconds the "burnout" light just turns off. No Chime.

So then I did it just after start up. Held it for 10 seconds and then there was the chime and the "burnout" light was still on. Totally different then when I pushed it before.

Now when I am at the track and I "chime" the ESP, it is much harder to launch the car without spinning the tires. When I just push the ESP button once when the car is running, the traction control kicks in BIG TIME at the launch as slowsme down along with no wheels spin.

So I am going to have to say that is does something to "chime" it, maybe it doesnt turn it all the way off, but most of the way off.

Ryan

[FloridaRT]

I did mine the easy way (only works for the 05' and some early 06's) I put a switch on fuse #17, to turn off ESP completely. Mounted the switch on the dash, so I can turn it on/off at will.

Bob

[AWD_Gabe]

Over on chargerforums.com there's been a lot of talk about a member's discovery of holding the ignition key to the right for 4-5 seconds while moving more than 10 mph ... it doesn't crank the starter because the engine is already running, it shuts off the ESP/BAS and lights up the squiggly lines light and the ESP/BAS light, effectively disbling ESP completely until the engine is shut off and re-started ... it seems to only work on cars built 4/06 and newer ... Charger owner's everywhere are lighting up their tires in a newfound fury ...

[Ryanjt]

Over on chargerforums.com there's been a lot of talk about a member's discovery of holding the ignition key to the right for 4-5 seconds while moving more than 10 mph ... it doesn't crank the starter because the engine is already running, it shuts off the ESP/BAS and lights up the squiggly lines light and the ESP/BAS light, effectively disbling ESP completely until the engine is shut off and re-started ... it seems to only work on cars built 4/06 and newer ... Charger owner's everywhere are lighting up their tires in a newfound fury ...


This works on mine, just have to be going over 5mph and hold it for 3-5 seconds!

[Principal]

This works on mine, just have to be going over 5mph and hold it for 3-5 seconds!I gave it a try on my way home, and it worked. The two lamps came on, but I couldn't try it out to see if it actually did anything due to rush hour traffic....grr!

[AWD_Gabe]

I gave it a try on my way home, and it worked. The two lamps came on, but I couldn't try it out to see if it actually did anything due to rush hour traffic....grr!

Well, with an AWD there's not gonna be much you can do .... although, in the rain I was able to get all 4 tires scrambling for traction off the line ... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[Principal]

Well, with an AWD there's not gonna be much you can do .... although, in the rain I was able to get all 4 tires scrambling for traction off the line ... :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
I knew there'd be a down side to the AWD thing. I do miss the tires spinning around trying to get traction in the rain though. My first car would go nuts, especially if the front wheels were on the stop bar :banana:

[Venom]

How many times have you heard "I heard about this guy who has an R/T and if he waits for the startup chimes to end, then immediately holds down the ESP button for ten seconds.... he totally disable ESP like on the SRT!!!"

While I was spending my 5 hours with an SRT Engineer today reprogramming my car I asked him specifically about this myth.

The switch has nothing to do with the difference between ESP in the R/T's and SRTs. The difference is how long the message is being sent to the unit that controls all of it.

The R/T is simply INCAPABLE of doing this.

The SRT system has to be programmed especially to accept this particular signal, and this is only done by SRT... not by Dodge, so there can be no LX leaving the factory accidentally with this "3rd position ESP" as in the SRT versions.

I asked him why some people report being able to get the system to "chime" after holding it long enough. His reply was that there is a safety system set up where if something was inadvertantly holding down the ESP button (say you were carrying a large box in the front seat and it was unintentionally leaning on the button holding it in) that the chime alrts you to this, and continued pressure will result in the ESP defaulting and re-engaging fully.

alls you do is leave the esp on go 10 miles an hour turn the key to run it wont hurt starter it dont crank hold the key forward for 5 sec youll hear a chime and bingo esp off and bas esp will show
mike

[Bandit]

Do bear in mind that this thread started in May of 2006 and the new key cycle ESP delete was only recently discovered.

If we had known about it way back then, it certainly would have been discussed with the SRT Engineer at the time!

[crazy_luck]

Also, keep in mind it doesn't work on all cars. My Daytona was built August of '05 and it doesn't work for me. All I get is the airbag light.

[TORREDAYTONA]

Hmmm>>>

[stitchmonkey]

It works with the Diablo

[JUNIPER9803]

Also No Esp Mod $50.00

[stitchmonkey]

Also No Esp Mod $50.00
the Diablos cool the No ESP is way easier !

[Larry5150]

Over on chargerforums.com there's been a lot of talk about a member's discovery of holding the ignition key to the right for 4-5 seconds while moving more than 10 mph ... it doesn't crank the starter because the engine is already running, it shuts off the ESP/BAS and lights up the squiggly lines light and the ESP/BAS light, effectively disbling ESP completely until the engine is shut off and re-started ... it seems to only work on cars built 4/06 and newer ... Charger owner's everywhere are lighting up their tires in a newfound fury ...

I have a new 2007 R/T w/5.7 Hemi 2wheel drive....
dunno bout the rest of you mopar guyz, but, i push the ESP/off button on the dash, i get the squiggly light on in the dash, dosent this do the same thing as holding the key for 5/10 seconds while driving 10mph to shut this feature off...???? If so, then whats the purpose of holding the key in the start position to shut off the ESP/BAS., when you have a switch on the dash to do this. When i turn off the switch on the dash to shut of ESP, i can lite the tires right up. So whats up with the key thing anyway... am i missing something here...?


:modding:
And this is to whom ever the person was, that actually turned his/her ignition to the start postion while the car was running/driving down a road, not knowing what it would do, my hats off to you... i surely would have never had the balls to try that, let alone even thinkin of doing such an unfound move to my brand new car.

larry

[fnkychkn]

I have a new 2007 R/T w/5.7 Hemi 2wheel drive....
dunno bout the rest of you mopar guyz, but, i push the ESP/off button on the dash, i get the squiggly light on in the dash, dosent this do the same thing as holding the key for 5/10 seconds while driving 10mph to shut this feature off...???? If so, then whats the purpose of holding the key in the start position to shut off the ESP/BAS., when you have a switch on the dash to do this. When i turn off the switch on the dash to shut of ESP, i can lite the tires right up. So whats up with the key thing anyway... am i missing something here...?


:modding:
And this is to whom ever the person was, that actually turned his/her ignition to the start postion while the car was running/driving down a road, not knowing what it would do, my hats off to you... i surely would have never had the balls to try that, let alone even thinkin of doing such an unfound move to my brand new car.

larry
on RT models, the "ESP off" button on the dash only partially disables the ESP. the key trick completely disables it like the 3 mode ESP switch used in SRT8s.

[glhs837]

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=88316&highlight=file

Ah, here we go, HectorRandallNoe just posted this the other day, has a great matrix showing which functions do what in what mode.

[WGK]

on RT models, the "ESP off" button on the dash only partially disables the ESP. the key trick completely disables it like the 3 mode ESP switch used in SRT8s.

OHHHHHH YEEEEAAAAHHH!! It DOES work..:magburno:.:rock:
Come spring to the track I go. And then to buy new tires.....................:mrgreen:

[Tinman`]

Over on chargerforums.com there's been a lot of talk about a member's discovery of holding the ignition key to the right for 4-5 seconds while moving more than 10 mph ... it doesn't crank the starter because the engine is already running, it shuts off the ESP/BAS and lights up the squiggly lines light and the ESP/BAS light, effectively disbling ESP completely until the engine is shut off and re-started ... it seems to only work on cars built 4/06 and newer ... Charger owner's everywhere are lighting up their tires in a newfound fury ...

All I can say is WoW!
It is so nice to be able to feel all of the torque at take-off!
My tires are hooking up well, and with this trick the car is a different animal.
Thanks for this! :)

[GasGunR]

No need for this with an SRT... just hold in the ESP button on the dash for about 8 seconds, you'll get a tone and the odometer will be replaced with a warning message.

[FloridaRT]

Also, keep in mind it doesn't work on all cars. My Daytona was built August of '05 and it doesn't work for me. All I get is the airbag light.


The same results for my Magnum RT built 04/04

Bob

[ZMagnum]

The key trick works on my 2008 Magnum R/T.

[oldschoolhemiguy]

After looking a endless post on this subject and countless ideas on different switch type mods I spent the 50 bucks on the NOEsp mod it took about 20 min to install uses the factory esp button and works perfectly.

[JUNIPER9803]

You Can Disable It Also With A Predator.

[AWD_Gabe]

You Can Disable It Also With A Predator.

That's been talked about before and it's really not recommended .... it also disables the ABS, and when actually driving the car in that mode, it goes into limp mode .... not a good idea ...

[ICLOSEM]

wow the key trick could have saved me 50$ on the no esp mod what a great find

[AWD_Gabe]

wow the key trick could have saved me 50$ on the no esp mod what a great find

www.noesp.com seems to be out of business ...

[noesp]

Still here... web site expired, it'll be back up in a day or two...

[t91wheeler]

For those guys with Predator, it seems like I can turn my ESP off with Predator but only for the next time I turn the car on. The second time I turn car on after diassabling with predator, ESP is back on. Is this how it works for everyone?

[s00544g]

i can tell you exactly how to disable the esp completely while leaving the abs completely intact all you need is some wires and a toggle switch secretly under the kick panel within reach but out of view. when you want esp back on, flip the switch back and cycle the key and its back till you flip the switch again

[ICLOSEM]

or do the key switch thats the easiest its already done

[AWD_Gabe]

i can tell you exactly how to disable the esp completely while leaving the abs completely intact all you need is some wires and a toggle switch secretly under the kick panel within reach but out of view. when you want esp back on, flip the switch back and cycle the key and its back till you flip the switch again

See www.noesp.com .... $50 for the kit ... :rock:

[s00544g]

the key switch thing leaves it 26% engauged still i believe. this would be about $5 instead of $50 just have to interupt the dynamics sensor switch feed which is basically what the kit does anyway

[noesp]

a $5 switch does exactly the same thing that my mod does... kills the dynamics sensor.

The only difference with my kit is that there's no switch to install/hide/drill holes for, etc. You get to use the factory ESP button instead.

[Hurst Equipped]

For those guys with Predator, it seems like I can turn my ESP off with Predator but only for the next time I turn the car on. The second time I turn car on after diassabling with predator, ESP is back on. Is this how it works for everyone?


something is wrong there. i have the esp disabled with the predator and it stays off unless i use the predator again.

[Hurst Equipped]

That's been talked about before and it's really not recommended .... it also disables the ABS, and when actually driving the car in that mode, it goes into limp mode .... not a good idea ...


not true.

[fireman2118]

Save all the head aches and use the GSM ESP/Torque management/Fan mod. kit.
Fully deactivate/activate ESP/Torque management on the fly Without losing ABS with a switch under the dash. Install the included 180 degree thermostat and the fan mod and you'll be running cool on demand also from switch under dash. I've been using both on my '05 R/T for almost 2 years now. They still work and work well.

[Mag05]

I use the predator and have the asterick besides the esp, however I do not know really if it is off, what is the key switch method, anyone? Also, since having a catback, cai, 25%underdrive pulley, and predator tune installed, the car is louder but I am not sure if I am getting everything to the ground, I don't have any tire smoking, wheel spinning action, Thanx, Mag05

[AWD_Gabe]

I use the predator and have the asterick besides the esp, however I do not know really if it is off, what is the key switch method, anyone? Also, since having a catback, cai, 25%underdrive pulley, and predator tune installed, the car is louder but I am not sure if I am getting everything to the ground, I don't have any tire smoking, wheel spinning action, Thanx, Mag05

The turn-key procedure only works on April 2006-built or newer cars ..... going by your name, it won't work on a 2005.



However, the trick would be to be travelling 10mph or higher, foot off pedals, turning key to the "crank" position for about 5-8 seconds and then the squiggly lines and BAS lights will come on.

It won't crank the starter, the car's smarter than that ...

[chargeragain]

Just got back from doing this. Works as explained. I tried donuts in the parking lot with ESP off only and although I got loads of tire spin, the ABS was kicking in while I was drifting sideways and interfered with my fun. With the key method the car spun the tires equally the same but the ABS did not interfere at all. I was happily drifting sideways leaving a nice figure eight in the local grocery stores parking lot.
Hope there were no surveillance cameras installed there.:tinfoilhat:

[chargeragain]

Quick Question for anyone with the noesp module: Do you have to turn the car off to enable the traction control , ie., the BAS?

[MSUTalon]

nope, just hold the button for like 5 sec, you'll hear a ding a click and the two lights will come on. I've done it at many a stoplight/stop sign/highway :)

[momad]

You do have to turn the key off to reactivate the ESP/BAS.

[chargeragain]

Great, I just plunked down 50.00 for this and noesp hasn't contacted me yet. I PM'd him asking the same question and if this was true, I'd like to have my moeny refunded. Looks like I'm out of luck it'll probably be shipped before he reads my PM. Anyone want this for 40.00 shipped after I get it?

[Sevenernine]

It doesn't seem to work on mine. I tried it last night.

It's an 06 R/T. Any ideas? I don't know where to find the build date either. There's a mfg date on the door, but it doesn't give a specific date, just 10/05.

[Sevenernine]

It doesn't seem to work on mine. I tried it last night.

It's an 06 R/T. Any ideas? I don't know where to find the build date either. There's a mfg date on the door, but it doesn't give a specific date, just 10/05.


I re-read this and see that it says it has to be build after 04/06...

Snap!



Maybe sometime I'll go in and install that switch.

[rcmob]

Hey, I've got an 04 RT with the No ESP module installed. It works great and it disables the ESP fine, except during the summer; when the inside car temp gets higher than 80F (a black car sitting in a parking lot gets higher than that easily), it does not work! Holding the ESP button for 5 sec does nothing. I have also tried to hold it for longer with no luck.
If that same day I park the car in the garage and let it cool down for a while, then pressing the button for 5 seconds does work fine.

I have tested this and it does not seem to be external temperature, but cabin temperature.

What is going on with that? Anyone knows?

The No ESP site does not have a contact e-mail. Does anyone know how to contact them?

rcmob