GIFO4 - TEST PROCEDURE INSIDE - Speak now!

[CoolVanilla]

This schedule covers 2-5pm Thursday May 11, and 9-5pm Friday May 12.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/CoolVanilla/GIFO4/GIFO4TestProcedure.jpg

Notes:
1) You'll notice this has been blocked out in 10 minute increments for the GIFO testing, and 15 minutes for the open dyno time. Based on previous experience, 10 minutes per configuration *should* be enough to get set up and make 2 pulls.

1a) At the behest of more than a few folks, I've added dead space to some of the times. This will take up any overtime we may need. Hopefully, we can add tests as we go, and not need to use the overtime allowed.

2) Yep, I said 2 pulls. In the past, we've made 3 pulls and I really did struggle with dropping down to 2. Ultimately, I decided on 2 for a few reasons: a) time; I think we just don't have enough time to make 3 for every test we want run. b) To be honest, that many dyno pulls basically scares me. This still is my daily commuter, after all. c) I don't think the averages will be *too* affected. In the past, if we get an out of whack reading, we just throw it away and run another anyway.

3) I like the idea of grouping the tests by type, and then selecting from that group the best performing mods to continue the rest of the testing with. Anyone disagree?

4) Speak now... this is your chance to make any and all suggestions, comments or insults. If you don't speak up now, you have zero right to criticize the procedure later.

5) Give this some thought! There are plenty of things not on this list that maybe should be over others. Again, now's the time to bring them up!

[MattRobertson]

GIFO4 - TEST PROCEDURE INSIDE - Speak now!

Arf! Arf!

j/k. What about testing Rev's recently unveiled homemade intake? Not his first design, but the new, fully enclosed one. I'd like to see how the rocket scientists stack up against the mad scientist.

[CoolVanilla]

Arf! Arf!

j/k. What about testing Rev's recently unveiled homemade intake?Has he offered it up? And didn't I hear a rumor about a v2 of that intake?

Edit: LOL quit yer editing! I'll PM him now.

[gotls1]

I thought we were going to do programmer testing on a stock car too.

[CoolVanilla]

I thought we were going to do programmer testing on a stock car too.You are so right. What octane should we run yours at M?
Edit: And should it be before or after or both the AMSOIL?

[gotls1]

You are so right. What octane should we run yours at M?
Edit: And should it be before or after or both the AMSOIL?

Whatever octane you suggest. I'll spring for the expensive stuff for a day or two. :wink:

I'd say before the Amsoil. I'd do DUB, stock, programmer, then amsoil...

[createdbyone]

yay....i cant wait! this GIFO is going to be my dream come true!!!!! if everything gets said and done.....i will have a blast!!

[CoolVanilla]

Procedure updated. I've added 2 slots for "????????" - I think we ought to try a bone stock, stock and with the 87 tune. The config for your "tune" M is my guess for the mots common way someone with a stock setup might tune it. We can talk about changing this, depending on what folks think that common setup might actually be.

[HEMMISSEY]

I would like to test my "HIGH" flow velocity stack equipped w/ a K&N filter if so possible. How do I go about that?

[MagnumFreak]

There is a mass air flow calculation that resides in the PCM that I would love to see if it reacts to increased air flow with different components. I am curious to see if this is a good calculation or if it just looks at temp, pressure, throttle position and engine rpm's to calculate the flow.


Can't wait to get there and do some testing with everyone.

[createdbyone]

how else could it see the flow magnumfreak?

[revdoctor]

With MF on board, we'll have more data than carter has little liver pills!

BTW, what about the fuse 11 ECM reset between setups? I apologize if you've already covered it.

[Scorpx]

I have a question and a comment. Comment: This looks great, and am glad to be a part of it!! Question: Are the vehicles being used for test outfitted with exhaust mods? If so, how will we account for its contribution to the peroformance formula? Baseline the vehicle with a stock Intake and no chip? This will probably complicate this whole procedure as we may have to have a full round of tests per subject, ie. 1 Stock, 2. Catback Only, 3, Headers/Catback. OK, so it was 2 questions.

Personally I want to see what the Hennessey Intake will do, it is interesting and definitly has a lot to prove at $550 a pop.

[Hemi31]

Too bad you can't set up a fan that goes from 0-100 windspeed with the mph to simulate the Ram Air effect.

[MagnumFreak]

how else could it see the flow magnumfreak?

Not sure. These cars have more hidden stuff than Saddam. LOL! The main thing is, does it reflect the changes in intakes and exhausts. We will find out next month.

[Rev.Hammer]

Okay! I will send it! But I gotta send the WHOLE thing. I will include instructions!! Keep in mind that it is made for a CHARGER... I dont think that would be a problem tho..
WHO do I send it to?

[createdbyone]

im guessing cool vanilla? but if there is any problems you can send it to me , im 20 mins west of sac and have already taken leave for the GIFO

[RTracer]

I still want to see if there is any difference between the Daytona box vs. stock box or Aircharger.
We saw in earlier GIFO's that the cone filters made little or no gains, would we lose performance going from the Daytona/SRT8 to a cone type?

[Rev.Hammer]

Whoever, wherever! I will send it!! I need a confirmed addy in a week or so!

[SDMagnumRT]

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=28467

This may be something to add to the list of products...just a thought

[MattRobertson]

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=28467

This may be something to add to the list of products...just a thought

Are we at a point where we need to refine the protocol with the current test components and put off new additions to GIFO5? Looking at CV's timetable I'm guessing thats a 'yes'. We just added the Amsoil test, and Hypertech a week or so ago. There is going to be a TON of stuff going on, with literally dozens of dyno runs. Oil changes, computer flashes and reflashes etc. We're probably going to have the dyno and service bay loaded up, with more wrenching going on in the parking lot.

And remember just cuz it took awhile to get GIFO4 going, GIFO5 -- with the growing focus on all sorts of things to test -- could very well come around sooner than the amount of time we had between #3 and #4.

With all of that said the grounding thing sounds like the perfect sort of thing for us to test independently. It probably strikes some people as total snake oil, but lets test it out and see!

[Rev.Hammer]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h37/MFP57/MoparJeezis5.jpg

GIT'R'DONE FER GIFO!

[CoolVanilla]

Here are some comments from Bob of SVS regarding the procedure.

...yes your list is ambitious, but in the past you've been well organized so I think we can handle this. If we run over on time I'm sure the guys won't mind. I'll make sure I calibrate the dyno on Thursday so there won't be any delays.

Also we've been updating the gallery on our website and I noticed that we don't have any pictures of the magnums we have had on the dyno. If you or any of your crew has pictures or video you would like to have posted on our site I'd be happy to forward them to our web guy.

Thanks Jason it's been a pleasure working with such a passionate group.
-Bob
Cool beans! Lets send some pics his way.

[Meister]

It is fitting that I highlight a comment of Dyno Bob's:

...yes your list is ambitious, but in the past you've been well organized so I think we can handle this.

I can't overstate my appreciation of CV's organizational skills and the careful methodology he employs to insure that GIFO results are both credible and fairly derived.

Jason, I salute you. Thanks for all you do to improve our splendid LX platform. :thumbs_u:

[MattRobertson]

I second that.

[Shelby]

Any plans to test an IAT sensor mod (one of the offset versions not the simple resistor mods)?

I would love to see this tested on a stock 5.7L.

I have seen information on these working on the Dodge P/U boards a while back and they are very popular on Mustangs, Vettes, and many imports.

[magnumdude]

If things run a bit long I will give up my dyno time. Actually I think the guys fro SoCal should go before me. I'll pick up the back door if there is time, and if not I'll race you to the bar for a beer!

[CoolVanilla]

Procedure updated. I've been getting some great PMs from folks and the new procedure reflects many of the suggestions. Thanks guys!

Notes:
-The list has been reordered to better emphasize the test order
-HT3 has been removed, as its looking like there is only a couple of settings the Hypertech can apply
-MattRobertson, gotls1 and Meister's time on the dyno has been freed up a bit to allow for more game time decisions and/or greater flexibility. I'll leave it to their expert opinions to devise how they'd like to see their particular setups ran.
-A new test has been added; one that should have been there from the start (thanks Meister!) The Jett will still be tested in conjunction with the best programmer config found, but now it will also be tested independently as well.

Please keep the comments and suggestions coming guys. This process really helps to make the best possible test that we can then derive the best possible set of conclusions from.

[MattRobertson]

-MattRobertson, gotls1 and Meister's time on the dyno has been freed up a bit to allow for more game time decisions and/or greater flexibility. I'll leave it to theirI think this is an excellent idea but for sure the decisions as to what to do will be the result of a group huddle. We're going to learn a lot from CV's many runs and by the time those are done, we'll have a body of data on hand and at that point we'll all be able to figure out what to do next.

Take it as a given that I think the Rev's unit should be run on a modded Mag and a stocker. Not sure if he's on the grid up there. I'd like to run the Weapon*R myself but it may not be necessary. Game-time decision. We're going to resembel a pit crew out there... so much to do and not a lot of time.

[gotls1]

Depending on what we see with CV's car, I'd probably be most interested in seeing what the programmer can do on a stock car, or maybe a car with just an intake. Like Matt said though, a lot will probably come down to a game day decision.

[Rev.Hammer]

my intake with require about 30 seconds to install...

[createdbyone]

anyone give rev an address yet?

[Shelby]

I looked at the table and did not find a Stock (89 octane tune).

It seems that a SC 87, stock 89 and a SC 91 group would be very helpful. The big problem would seem to be getting the right octane fuel in there. Could do 1/4 tank 87, then add 93 to make a 89 tank, then add more 93 to make a 91 tank.

Superchips should have this info readily available but I have not seen it.......

Just a theory.

[MattRobertson]

I don't know how, logistically, we could do that with everything else thats going on. But I agree an SC 87 run vs. SC 91 would be interesting.

Something for GIFO5? or take up one of my runs and figure out how to make it happen?

[Mosie]

I still want to see if there is any difference between the Daytona box vs. stock box or Aircharger.
We saw in earlier GIFO's that the cone filters made little or no gains, would we lose performance going from the Daytona/SRT8 to a cone type?I am interested in this too if it's an option...

[Mosie]

I looked at the table and did not find a Stock (89 octane tune).

It seems that a SC 87, stock 89 and a SC 91 group would be very helpful. . .

Superchips should have this info readily available but I have not seen it....... I have been thinking about this too.

As I understand the sprit behind the GIFO is to see how we can get more from our LX’s with the addition of Mod’s, and which ones (Mods) perform the best.

I’m personally interested in seeing what the 87 setting on the Hypertech will do for our vehicles. I don’t think it add more HP, but like the CAI tests of the past have shown, it may not take away from the performance... much.
However, it should let those of us that want to use this setting know we are saving a few pennies with out loosing many ponies.
(cute, hu?)

If I’m to go after Meister, than perhaps while my Magnum is sitting on the dyno, we can throw on a 87 octane program and do an additional run to see if there is a measurable difference between a "stock" setting and the 87 setting.


Thoughts?

[RTracer]

Hey Mosie...did ya get them decals on yet?
Pics!

[Mosie]

Hey Mosie...did ya get them decals on yet?
Pics!Sup Buddy!

Unfortunately no decals on the calipers yet. It will be my very next Mod!

I haven’t gotten my Magnum out of the body shop yet! One delay after another...it’s getting close to a month :roll: to fix the dealerships damage to the drivers door, add the SRT8 nose, and shave the wiper off of the rear end! WHEW! !

I’m also getting tinted taillights and eyebrowed “black” headlight from Ernie at Avon. He does great work!
This is a case of a simple fix running way with my wallet.
Me and my bright ideas... :blam: WHEW again! !

But there is good news: my newly exterior modded Magnum will be ready to be picked up at 4:00pm, Thursday, April 13th. Quite the Birthday present for me, from me & to me!

Oh, did I mention it’s my Birthday? What'd ya'll get me? :wink:

[MattRobertson]

Oh, did I mention it’s my Birthday? What'd ya'll get me? :wink:A Challenger. But it sounded like you were having so much fun with the Magnum we sent it back. :D

RTRacer, where'd you get those decals? They the ones I saw in Irvine on the brakes? Super kewwwl!

[Ozzie]

RTRacer, where'd you get those decals? They the ones I saw in Irvine on the brakes? Super kewwwl!There was some discussion earlier....was this them?
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=29002&highlight=decals

[MattRobertson]

There was some discussion earlier....was this them?
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=29002&highlight=decals

Bingo. Thanks Ozzie!

[RTracer]

My b-day is the day of the GIFO MOFO...who's bringing me a Challanger:banana:

Matt....you dont happen to still have that chip do ya?

I'll bring the Daytona airbox to see if theres time to squeeze that in

[MattRobertson]

Matt....you dont happen to still have that chip do ya?Sorry. Sold it.

[CoolVanilla]

Procedure updated. Notice that we've now spread across two days and allowed for some buffer time in case we run over.

Also notice that we've added the testing of a bone stock 5.7L. We need a volunteer!! Anyone able to be there Thursday evening, with a near empty tank of 89 octane in their completely stock 5.7?? I think this test will be really valuable to those not wanting to touch their exhaust or intake, but who hope for a little extra pep via a programmer.

So how are we going to test all three octanes consecutively? See if this makes sense (and PLEASE double check my logic):

We'll run the 89 octane first to see what this specific 5.7L puts out completely untouched.

Next, we'll dump 10 gallons of 87 octane in it (we'll have a couple of 5 gallon tanks ready to rock) and run the the 87 octane tests. This will get us pretty darn close to the 87 octane rating needed.

Last, we'll add 15ish oz of "Octane Supreme 130" octane booster to the tank, to bring the octane up to a 91 rating (see the chart below) and we'll then run the 91 tests. Any objections to this plan?

*Pulled from the Octane Supreme 130 specs (http://www.batterystuff.com/fuel-treatments/OS2q.html)

TREAT RATES R+M/2
0.6- Ounces OB-130 to 1 gallon/fuel……….2.0 point octane increase
1.2- Ounces OB-130 to 1 gallon/fuel……….3.5 point octane increase
1.8- Ounces OB-130 to 1 gallon/fuel……… 5.0 point octane increase
2.4- Ounces OB-130 to 1 gallon/fuel……….6.5 point octane increase
3.0- Ounces OB -130 to 1 gallon/fuel…….…8.0 point octane increase
6.0- Ounces OB-130 to 1 gallon/fuel……..11.0 point octane increase
18- Ounces OB-130 to 1 gallon/fuel……..16.0 point octane increase

[createdbyone]

we still going to the races and is there still time for a few extra's to jump on the dyno? reason i ask is becuase i wont be there thursday, and realy would love to go to the track with u guys

[CoolVanilla]

we still going to the races and is there still time for a few extra's to jump on the dyno? reason i ask is because i wont be there Thursday, and realy would love to go to the track with u guysYou betcha; track is still most certainly on for Friday and Saturday nights. Pop on over here and see the latest M&G schedule: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=25773

As far as the dyno time, I certainly hope so. Take a look at the schedule and you'll see that with the addition of Thursday, we've really relaxed Friday's schedule. We'll have to let the GIFO needs dictate just how much, but I think we'll have time to get a few extra cars not listed on the dyno.

[MattRobertson]

I'm thinking Run 01 for me on Thursday is stock tune and K&N Typhoon intake. This gives us a baseline to measure variance from my last set of runs in GIFO3.

Next, the WR in a stock tune.

After that, assuming the WR at least breaks even, we go to SC 91. I'm particularly interested in SC 91 with Paddle Kick, reduced TM, low revs. Next a comparison with PH, low TM and low revs. Next we go PK and PH with hi revs to see whether we bang the rev limiter.

If there's time left, and there should be, cede the rest of the time available to Meister, who has quite a laundry list that needs attention.

I think the baseline run set is a requirement, and the SC/PK/loTM mode is a personal request. Everything else is up gor grabs. Thoughts? CV you da man in charge (i.e. hot potato to you Bubba)...

[gremlinsteve]

any thoughts on running a smt6 piggyback to see if its one, compatible with the curent cars and two, to see if it can improve anything?

i nkow the truck guys use it with the turbo's, wonder if it would work on these cars.

steve

[maneval69]

Maybe this has been mentioned but is the coolant temperature going to be tracked.
From my last dyno test I found that coolant starting temperature seemed to correlate with the power levels and A/f readings. Here are the results of my last dyno session.

I had a 190 tstat but I did not jump the cars fans to run them, I only used an external fan blowing on the front of the car.
Each pair of runs was run back to back. The only time between them was to get the car back in third gear and down to 2000 rpm.

run 10-external fan on –Superchips 91 tune -started at 190 deg.
run 11-external fan on –Superchips 91 tune not sure but I estimate 205-210 deg.
10 minute brake with the fan on for 5 minutes (just estimates)

run 12-external fan off- Superchips 91 tune -started at 185
run 13-external fan off- Superchips 91 tune -not sure of the temp at start but it finished at 225.
15 minute brake to uninstall the 91 tune and got a tour of the shop (the fan was turned back on before the tour)

run 14-external fan on- stock tune - started at 180
run 15-external fan on- stock tune – not sure but I estimate 195-200

Run 10-11 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5552&d=1143087512)
Run 12-13 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5554&d=1143087534)
Run 14-15 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5555&d=1143087547)

It looks to me like the A/F was richer on every second run and that the power was better on the first runs. This is close to proof that cooler engine temps increases power out put.
Also notice that I got the best run after returning to the stock tune. The car was coolest then but I also have my doubts if the 91 tune adjustments are instantly removed. I think it may need some closed loop time to adjust it out.
This is only 2 test per set-up so it is not definite proof but with all the test you guys are doing, the correlation between temp and performance should be evident.

[gotls1]

If we can't find a second stock 5.7, it looks like there might be time to run the programmer tests on my car on Friday. Run set #40 would be the same as #13, use my TBD runs and it looks like there's a couple open time slots at the end.

It'd be nice to just have a second car though.

[MattRobertson]

Do we have a Stock Magnum volunteer for Thursday yet for the 87/91 octane SC testing?

EDIT: I should have said "Stock 5.7 LX"

[CoolVanilla]

Do we have a Stock Magnum volunteer for Thursday yet for the 87/91 octane SC testing?

EDIT: I should have said "Stock 5.7 LX"Not yet, and I'm getting a touch concerned. gotls1, any problem if I pensil you in as the "stock 5.7 LX" we're looking for?

[Mosie]

I can approach a couple of LX R/T owners I see around Sacramento to see if they would be interested... I know it's a long shot here, but I'm willing.

[gotls1]

Not yet, and I'm getting a touch concerned. gotls1, any problem if I pensil you in as the "stock 5.7 LX" we're looking for?

Fine by me. Just let me know what gas I should have in it on Friday.

[MAGNUM8R]

Dang, Mine's got the Volant intake, Gibson Headers, and will have the Gibson cat back by then!!

[MattRobertson]

Fine by me. Just let me know what gas I should have in it on Friday.Cool. That gives us just that much more continuity on the test cars too.

[MattRobertson]

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Here's what I am planning for my Thursday runs. I have not done a reality check on time available vs. expected time to complete. I may be at the shop early to have Bob look at something (I am throwing an occasional P0430), plus I think Meister is also planning on being there at 1pm rather than 2pm. Anyway... Comments?

A few days before GIFO:
Revert my car to stock on SC tuner and pull/replace Fuse 11.
Reinstall the K&N Typhoon. Drive around and let the adaptive learning do its thing on my circa-GIFO3 config.Thursday May 11 at SVS:
Stock tune and K&N
Stock tune and Weapon-R filter (only. Attached to Typhoon tube)
Stock tune with Weapon-R intake
Superchips 91 octane, paddle kick, stock shift points, low torque management (still with WR intake)
Superchips 91 octane, paddle hold, high shift points, low torque management (still with WR intake)
Same as Run 4 with K&N Typhoon.
Same as Run 5 with K&N Typhoon.
Superchips 91 octane ONLY. No tranny options (with whatever intake appears to be the better performer)
Runs 2 and 5 are expendable depending on time and unforseen constraints (no battle plan survives contact with the enemy). My having an extra air sensor on hand and already installed won't hurt when we change intakes.

Run 1 is a baseline reading to compare with my last set of runs at GIFO3.

Run 2 is a measurement of the WR filter element only. Meister is planning on doing a copy of Run 2 himself (he also has a Typhoon tube) as part of his clandestine exercises. Doing it also on my car will give us more data on this component and may be of interest in separating what gains come from the filter and what comes from their proprietary tube design

Run 3 is a straight-up test of the Weapon-R intake system. It may be done without the air box or the lower air intake as these parts haven't been delivered yet.

Run 4 is what I think will be the best-performing combination for straight-line acceleration. I've experienced via SOTP what appears to be the strongest shifting of all SC combinations. Also the WR -- again via SOTP -- evidenced a power bump on a stock computer in the shift from first to second.

Run 5 is a gut-check against Run 4. Is Paddle Kick really pulling stronger at shifts or are those of us who report it just smoking too much dope?

I would also like to do a run 6 and 7 to match 4 and 5, but with the Typhoon on. I wouldn't expect there is time for that but if it can be done, this would provide additional isolation for the SC-only gains.

EDIT: With reality check on time... we should be OK, especially with an early start, unless Meister has enough to keep us busy from early on. In which case I will yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Arizona :-)

[CoolVanilla]

Sounds good to me Matt.

Procedure updated. Here are the update notes:
-I've again relaxed the schedule. Hopefully, this is a time layout we can actually follow.
-Paddle Hold mode has been removed from the test list. MattRobertson's test will tell us anything we may want to know about it.
-We've added the Daytona airbox to the mix. It will be tested on both a stock 5.7L RT and my heavily modified RT. If there are gains to be had by the Daytona's intake, we'll find them.
-The Hurricane IAT variable resistance mod has been added. I've still got to figure a way of installing this without permanently altering my Magnum. Hopefully, I can figure something out and we can see if varying the IAT resistance (and therefore temperature indication) has any effect on the dyno.
-The octane plan I had just isn't going to work. I've been informed that playing with it like I hoped isn't going to net the result I wanted. As such, we're just going to have to do the best we can. We'll have gotls1 show up with a near empty tank of 89. Then we'll dump 2-3 gallons of 87 in and run. After lunch, we'll then fill the tank with 91 and go from there. Its not ideal, but should get us close enough to the desired ratings for our needs. I hope that works with you all.

Again, comments please! I feel like we are finally starting to hone in on this, and I need you to ensure I haven't missed anything I shouldn't have!

[gremlinsteve]

im working on getting a set of ported heads together btw for your testing. i will obviously need to speak with some one about this to work out the details. who would that be?


steve

[gotls1]

im working on getting a set of ported heads together btw for your testing. i will obviously need to speak with some one about this to work out the details. who would that be?


steve

wow...a mod that I'd really expect to see a significant difference with. There's a part of me that would really love to do a heads/cam package on my mag, but my husband would probably kill me. :lol:

[Cam]

im working on getting a set of ported heads together btw for your testing. i will obviously need to speak with some one about this to work out the details. who would that be?


steve

Maybe I missed something, are you a vendor suppling these or a member willing to provide a test mule. If your a vendor PM me the details I may be interested, I'll have some time on my hands to swap heads if Miester and Jason don't have me to busy.

[gotls1]

Procedure updated. Here are the update notes:


Looks good to me. One issue though, the oil change appointments at the dealer need to either be changed or canceled. My vote would probably be to just cancel at the dealer and I'll hit the local Jiffy-lube as soon as I get into town Friday morning then again as soon as I'm done with the first batch of testing. I think it's going to be too hard to commit to a specific time with all that we've got going on and unknown variables that might arise.

xcelr8r - can you call the dealer, or send me their number?

[gremlinsteve]

no im not a vendor. probably could be if things work out tho.
ill get with whoever is running the testing when im close to getting this stuff done.

obviously it wont be ready for this test if you guys are close.

steve

[createdbyone]

Project Beast will be there. Hopefully ill be done. Ill be on 12's the week before, and might have to do a little midnight maintenance to get it done. The Date for Bob to tune it is the monday before GIFO. I could use another magnum nuts hand if anyone isnt busy that weekend 6-7th

[Cam]

Project Beast will be there. Hopefully ill be done. Ill be on 12's the week before, and might have to do a little midnight maintenance to get it done. The Date for Bob to tune it is the monday before GIFO. I could use another magnum nuts hand if anyone isnt busy that weekend 6-7th

Damn my wife would kick my a$$ if I took off the weekend before also. Where you going to do this, have access to a shop??.

[CoolVanilla]

Steve, I'm your man. PM me and I'll provide contact info... I'm REALLY interested in this. Look forward to it!
no im not a vendor. probably could be if things work out tho.
ill get with whoever is running the testing when im close to getting this stuff done.

obviously it wont be ready for this test if you guys are close.

steve

[gremlinsteve]

pm sent. im working out the details on this. soon as i get time off ill get it done

[CoolVanilla]

pm sent. im working out the details on this. soon as i get time off ill get it donePM replied to. Thanks for the effort Steve.

[createdbyone]

Damn my wife would kick my a$$ if I took off the weekend before also. Where you going to do this, have access to a shop??.

just gonna do it one day at a time in my garage. hand tools only.

[Shelby]

On the Hurricane IAT "0" will do nothing (per the instructions) and 10 might be too much.

The best setting on mine seems to be 3 or 4 just by the seat of the pants. I would suggest trying maybe 3 and 5 on the knob for the two runs.

I am waiting to hear from the vendor on recommendations.

[MattRobertson]

:bump:

Getting down to the wire...

[CoolVanilla]

On the Hurricane IAT "0" will do nothing (per the instructions) and 10 might be too much.

The best setting on mine seems to be 3 or 4 just by the seat of the pants. I would suggest trying maybe 3 and 5 on the knob for the two runs.

I am waiting to hear from the vendor on recommendations.Thanks Shelby; those will be the settings then.

[MAGNUM8R]

I see TMAGNUM is out for the GIFO. Any chance of taking his slot and getting my R/T with Volant, Gibson Headers and Catback on the dyno?
I have a brand new SC Tuner that will arrive UPS today.
I will be arriving Thursday evening and staying thru Sumday morning.
Thanks in advance!!

[GN_driver]

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Here's what I am planning for my Thursday runs. I have not done a reality check on time available vs. expected time to complete. I may be at the shop early to have Bob look at something (I am throwing an occasional P0430), plus I think Meister is also planning on being there at 1pm rather than 2pm. Anyway... Comments?

A few days before GIFO:

Revert my car to stock on SC tuner and pull/replace Fuse 11.
Reinstall the K&N Typhoon. Drive around and let the adaptive learning do its thing on my circa-GIFO3 config.Thursday May 11 at SVS:

Stock tune and K&N
Stock tune and Weapon-R filter (only. Attached to Typhoon tube)
Stock tune with Weapon-R intake
Superchips 91 octane, paddle kick, stock shift points, low torque management (still with WR intake)
Superchips 91 octane, paddle hold, high shift points, low torque management (still with WR intake)
Same as Run 4 with K&N Typhoon.
Same as Run 5 with K&N Typhoon.
Superchips 91 octane ONLY. No tranny options (with whatever intake appears to be the better performer)
Runs 2 and 5 are expendable depending on time and unforseen constraints (no battle plan survives contact with the enemy). My having an extra air sensor on hand and already installed won't hurt when we change intakes.

Run 1 is a baseline reading to compare with my last set of runs at GIFO3.

Run 2 is a measurement of the WR filter element only. Meister is planning on doing a copy of Run 2 himself (he also has a Typhoon tube) as part of his clandestine exercises. Doing it also on my car will give us more data on this component and may be of interest in separating what gains come from the filter and what comes from their proprietary tube design

Run 3 is a straight-up test of the Weapon-R intake system. It may be done without the air box or the lower air intake as these parts haven't been delivered yet.

Run 4 is what I think will be the best-performing combination for straight-line acceleration. I've experienced via SOTP what appears to be the strongest shifting of all SC combinations. Also the WR -- again via SOTP -- evidenced a power bump on a stock computer in the shift from first to second.

Run 5 is a gut-check against Run 4. Is Paddle Kick really pulling stronger at shifts or are those of us who report it just smoking too much dope?

I would also like to do a run 6 and 7 to match 4 and 5, but with the Typhoon on. I wouldn't expect there is time for that but if it can be done, this would provide additional isolation for the SC-only gains.

EDIT: With reality check on time... we should be OK, especially with an early start, unless Meister has enough to keep us busy from early on. In which case I will yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Arizona :-)

Looks well planned, Matt. Good luck and have fun.

[Mosie]

... perhaps while my Magnum is sitting on the dyno, we can throw on a quick 87 oct. program and do an additional run to see if there is a measurable difference between a stock setting and 87 oct settings.
I know we're planning on doing something like this on a stock 5.7, but this would be another chance to see if Mods are helping out with the 87 settings.

Any thoughts on this?

[CoolVanilla]

Good idea Mosie. Truth is I need to revise the procedure... again. I haven't received some of the parts I planned on receiving, so there is gonna be extra time for stuff like this. Hope to get the procedure up before Thursday.

[MattRobertson]

Any thoughts on this?The trouble is taking a Magnum with 91 octane in it, then emtying out the tank and putting in just enough 87. Then emptying that so we can go do testing at the track the same day... We have to use the same car to be consistent so we have to do these gymnastics.

CV has something worked out but I'll be darned if I know what it is offhand :-)

ONE POSSIBILITY:

Someone with a modded 5.7 shows up Thursday with 87 in the tank. Gets dyno'd. Leaves and drives all around and empties the tank. Then comes back Friday loaded up with 91.

CV whaddya think?

First and foremost we would need a volunteer.

[CoolVanilla]

Matt, my initial thought was to play with octane boosters and try to concoct a mixture that yielded the proper octane. After further thought and consultation, my plan "A" was just not practical, and most likely wouldn't net the results I'd hope for. Thus, my plan "B" as listed above. Just gotta make sure Miss ls1 shows up with a near empty tank of 89 and we'll be fine.

[Mosie]

Good idea Mosie. Truth is I need to revise the procedure... again. I haven't received some of the parts I planned on receiving, so there is gonna be extra time for stuff like this. Hope to get the procedure up before Thursday. I could run 87 octane gas without and then with the programing...
Or I can test stock with 89 octane near empty and then add 5 gal of 87 octane gas.

Let me know if you have a suggestion on gas for the test.

[CoolVanilla]

I think you're on to something here Mosie. What do you think about running the identical test as is planned for gotls1? The difference being you have headers and exhaust, while hers is bone stock. Might be a great thing to compare and contrast relative results...

Plan on it. I'll work out the schedule later, but plan on coming with a near empty tank of 89. Then we'll dump 1 gal of 87 in followed by 5ish of 91 and program for each accordingly.

Sound ok?

PS: As it is, I think I'm gonna be buying gas cans. Do you have a 1 gal and or 5 gal we can use for your tests? Or should I plan on buying two setups?

[Mosie]

I could run 87 octane gas without and then with the programing...
Or I can test stock with 89 octane near empty and then add 5 gal of 87 octane gas. Let me rephrase that:
I know we want to test the programmer on a "stock" HEMI, and I think M has that sewn up. However...
I think we're on the same track CV.

For the benefit of testing additional baselines, running a dyno on my Magnum, then testing the 87 octane to see :
1. "IF" there is a loss of horse power using that setting,
2. and if there is a loss, if a modded 5.7 looses less than a stock or if it's relative.
3. gives me a chance to look like I'm doing something important :wink:

I'll look into getting a couple of gas cans.
A 1 gal. and a 5 gal is going to be needed?

[Mosie]

To add another thought on this;
I think you're on to something here Mosie. What do you think about running the identical test as is planned for gotls1?
... Sound ok?That sounds good. I will plan on it.

Please keep in mind that I'll be adding AMSOIL around noon if you want to factor that into the Mod/time slot list.

The difference being you have headers and exhaust, while hers is bone stock. Might be a great thing to compare and contrast relative results...If you really want to compare Mod's to stock; we can also throw on R/Tracer's Daytona air box or an extra CAI that is laying around on to my Magnum.

Hmm... I'm like'n it more and more!