What would make you not buy one?

[Xen]

I currently own a Magnum and obviously it is not light on it's feet (but that isn't why I bought it!).

My other car is a Subie WRX.

I want the Challenger (though I would also jump on a new Supra).

My concern is that it might not be 'nimble enough' for me. I've driven a Mag and 300c, I can only imagine that the Charger is close to the 300c perhaps more agile. Logic would dicate that the Challenger would be the most athletic of the bunch, but still not close to the WRX/Supra/350z?

I love the Mag, power, looks and comfort and I love the WRX, zippy and tight. I want the best of both worlds and I don't know of the Challenger is going to be that car. I'll have to wait for reviews I guess.

One other thing that would make me not buy one is if they stuffed the current LX interior into it. Instant no sale for me.

[BUTWEET]

I'm on the list for the Challenger. My opinion would be too biased. :racing:

[MattRobertson]

I'm on the list at my dealership too. Went to the dealer the day they made the announcement official (I actually met the owner that morning when he showed up to unlock the place... that got his attention :-) ).

A 6.1L engine will probably make me not buy one. Too much weight to push around. We'll see what they do for the SRT version.

And if you want the Magnum to be nimble, drop it about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4". You'll be amazed at what happens to it in a corner. Do coilovers and don't waste your money on springs. You'll just have to replace your shocks and then you'll have spent as much as coilovers.

[DawsonMagnum]

I love the Mag, power, looks and comfort and I love the WRX, zippy and tight. I want the best of both worlds and I don't know of the Challenger is going to be that car. I'll have to wait for reviews I guess.

One other thing that would make me not buy one is if they stuffed the current LX interior into it. Instant no sale for me.

Sounds like what you want is an Audi RS6 or an RS4 if you can go a bit smaller.

[MAGNUM8R]

I'm on the list at my dealership too. Went to the dealer the day they made the announcement official (I actually met the owner that morning when he showed up to unlock the place... that got his attention :-) ).

A 6.1L engine will probably make me not buy one. Too much weight to push around. We'll see what they do for the SRT version.

And if you want the Magnum to be nimble, drop it about 1 1/2 to 1 3/4". You'll be amazed at what happens to it in a corner. Do coilovers and don't waste your money on springs. You'll just have to replace your shocks and then you'll have spent as much as coilovers.

I can 2nd. this statement about the KW coilover and how it changes the handling characteristics! I have cornered way faster on turns that I used to start loosing it on, all I get now is the need to use the dead pedal and wedge myself in to counteract the G force!!
I really need some heavily bostered seats now!!
Maybe velcro on my butt and the seats would work, he, he!!!

BTW, it sounds like you have your mind set on something other than the Challenger anyway, good, more available for us that really want 'em!!!

[shiltz]

provided it looks like the concept car the only thing that would make me not want to buy one would be the lack of a hemi + auto option, the rumored manual only = no sale for me.

[formerice]

If you want nimble, get a Mazda Miata or MX5, or maybe a Lotus. If you want the coolest ass kicking car, well Challenger imho. The interior looks sweet to me btw.

[MattRobertson]

BTW, it sounds like you have your mind set on something other than the Challenger anyway, good, more available for us that really want 'em!!!Oh hell no! Put the 6.4 in the SRT and I am running to the dealer like a crack addict with a $10 bill.

You know I've been bitching about the 6.1 and the 4100 lb curb weight for awhile. But thinking on it, I guess we could live with a 6.1, depending on how DCX handles it. Look at what Hennessey has done with their Magnum SRT, bored and stroked. And what if DCX leaves room in the equation for the SRT to have better gears than the Challenger RT? A 12-second car?

I want a Cobra killer. Plain and simple, no ifs/buts. Ideally, I could have a shot at not embarrassing myself against a Vette (yes I know... I'm dreaming). I'm hoping that by the time the Challenger is out the next gen Viper will be out so DCX will have a big open spot in their HP/performance range to slot in a 500 hp Challenger SRT.

p.s. Magnum8r love that new sig pic!

[createdbyone]

i also find myself wanting something smaller (came from the import scene originally) and i think if i had it all to do over i would of went the wrx sti route.

[67alecto]

I have two fears re: the challenger. 1) too heavy and 2)too expensive.

DCX needs a Mustang killer, and to do that, it needs to be priced accordingly. If they start these at 38k, why would I want this over a Mag SRT8?

The too heavy plays into this. If it is only slightly more expensive, but is rated at the concept vehicle specs of 4k lbs - yikes. I'd have to drive it to see.

If it is too expensive, I hate to say it, but I'm going to trade in the wife's Stratus on a Mustang GT. She'll drive the Mag, and I'll get the easily mod-able Stang. I used to be a Mustang guy - I even owned 3 at one point - and I said when the 2005 design came out that if anything brings me back to Ford, it would be the new Mustangs.

The other option, depending on avazilability and price, would be a charger SRT8. But that would involve lots of luck, while I can get an Mustang GT w/ all of the options I want for 27k minus whatever rebates/incentives there are at the time.

The clock is ticking, folks - 2 years until the 3 year/36k warranty expires on her Stratus.

[MattRobertson]

I have two fears re: the challenger. 1) too heavy and 2)too expensive.I'm hoping for 40 grand MSRP tops on the SRT. Less would be better and in line with the current SRT's. Luckily my dealer refuses to charge markups, if you can believe that (on the flip side they won't do discounts either, but I'll take the good with the bad).

[Xen]

Sounds like what you want is an Audi RS6 or an RS4 if you can go a bit smaller.

That is what I was thinking, nimble, comfy, fast...yet completely bland styling. Don't get me wrong, Audi's look nice, but not Challenger noice!

I'd be all over an M3/S6 'Luxury Coupe' if it weren't for the styling, hell the WRX was pushing it, if it wasn't for the scoop :pepper:

[mikoazca]

There are rumors that DC might produce a version of the next gen Mitsu Evo and possibly revive the Stealth name, since they still have ties to Mitsubishi. Maybe that would work for you.

[shiltz]

Personaly i'd rather the current big and heavy Challenger concept over a small light one that looked the same, while small wouldn't stop me from buying it, small is why I would rather my Magnum over a sports car, I like having room in my car to fit 4 people very comfortably with a lot of cargo as well and still have a fast car :)

[LowGo]

...small is why I would rather my Magnum over a sports car, I like having room in my car to fit 4 people very comfortably with a lot of cargo as well and still have a fast car :)

Exactly why I got my Magnum. For me, it's a very practical car that also has good power, handling, and great looks. It's impossible to put the best of everything in one vehicle. But, for me, the Magnum comes the closest of anything I've seen that combines all these traits into one vehicle.

[67alecto]

I'm hoping for 40 grand MSRP tops on the SRT. Less would be better and in line with the current SRT's. Luckily my dealer refuses to charge markups, if you can believe that (on the flip side they won't do discounts either, but I'll take the good with the bad).

Yeah, I know you're in for the SRT8 - I'd be fine with an R/T with the 6.1. Again, it just comes down to the purpose of the car. If the car is basically a Charger SRT8 but with two doors instead of 1, as a guy with a kid, that holds no appeal.

However, I can justify the two door if it is more in line with the cost of a Mustang.

My dealer doesn't add mark-ups either. I mentioned to them the other week that out in CA, dealers were marking up SRT8s 10-15k and selling them. They said they could never get away with that here - it's a different market and people are much more intelligent out here.

Ok, I added that second part :)

[Northern Rider]

I'm up for the Challenger.

Since my 300C has been able to whump a Honda 2000, 2 WRX's, a Boxter, a 911, etc., etc. on a race course with no suspension or brake mods, I can only imagine what a hot Challenger will be able to do.

[bigjim]

I'm up for the Challenger.

Since my 300C has been able to whump a Honda 2000, 2 WRX's, a Boxter, a 911, etc., etc. on a race course with no suspension or brake mods, I can only imagine what a hot Challenger will be able to do.


Patrick, put away the modesty for a minute. You have more racing hours than most if not all of us. I would EXPECT you to whoop me and and all of the above things. I am hoping to keep you in sight on track for enough time to get a feel of you choice of lines and braking timing.

Jim

[CoolVanilla]

What would make me not buy one? Cockpit size. I barely fit in the Magnum. I was bleeding Challenger orange until I saw the SEMA pics... there is just no way imma gonna fit. :cry:

On the other hand, if the thing did end up being a Mustang GT killer, and it did come in at right around the 40k MSRP mark, I could almost con myself into doing some serious seat mods to make it happen. The major hurdle though would be insurance... my experience says altering anything that might have something to do with safety nullifies any hope of insurance coverage. Anyone know more about that?

[bigjim]

What would make me not buy one? Cockpit size. I barely fit in the Magnum. I was bleeding Challenger orange until I saw the SEMA pics... there is just no way imma gonna fit. :cry:

On the other hand, if the thing did end up being a Mustang GT killer, and it did come in at right around the 40k MSRP mark, I could almost con myself into doing some serious seat mods to make it happen. The major hurdle though would be insurance... my experience says altering anything that might have something to do with safety nullifies any hope of insurance coverage. Anyone know more about that?

Why on Earth would you tell anyone you moved/modified the seat? I am in a similar situation, my seating position puts my line of sight at the tint line ( aftermarket windshield), I intend to lower the seat, but will NEVER admit it. As far as I am concerned, a sight of ergonomics problem means you NEED to midify the car for your needs to MAKE it safe!!!!

Jim

[CoolVanilla]

Why on Earth would you tell anyone you moved/modified the seat? I am in a similar situation, my seating position puts my line of sight at the tint line ( aftermarket windshield), I intend to lower the seat, but will NEVER admit it. As far as I am concerned, a sight of ergonomics problem means you NEED to midify the car for your needs to MAKE it safe!!!!

JimI don't disagree Jim! But consider; what if there was an injury accident? One where I was hurt... can you imagine the adjuster's reaction if they were to ever see the seat had been modified (something they DO look for by the way)? I dunno man... I'd hate to find myself a few hundred grand in the hole because I moved a seat track...

[67alecto]

On the other hand, if the thing did end up being a Mustang GT killer, and it did come in at right around the 40k MSRP mark...

For me, a key feature of a Mustang killer is that it has to be priced comparably. For 14k more, it should be a given that it's faster than a Mustang GT.

Take half that and put it into a Mustang GT, and you'll just see its tail lights at the strip.

[bigjim]

To me it is more dangerous to drive in an uncomfortable position than to make minor mods to fit in the car. For someone that does NOT fit into ANY "normal" car it would seem a natural "adjustment" to fix the seat position. I would find it hard to believe a good So Cal lawyer could not make it work for someone.

[CoolVanilla]

Take half that and put it into a Mustang GT, and you'll just see its tail lights at the strip.Yeah... but its a Mustang :wink:

To me it is more dangerous to drive in an uncomfortable position than to make minor mods to fit in the car. For someone that does NOT fit into ANY "normal" car it would seem a natural "adjustment" to fix the seat position. I would find it hard to believe a good So Cal lawyer could not make it work for someone.I agree 100% Jim. However, when it comes to this kind of thing, I just can't bring myself to take the chance it could be worked out. I'd need to know, in writing, up front. Paranoid? Maybe.

[Hemi31]

If the Challenger is not available in a six speed I will probably pass and go with a Viper or Vette.I love the retro but I am jonesing for a stick!

[aries4life]

I remember reading about the "6-speed" that's going in the Challenger...


It's a 6-speed manumatic from what I've read in the mags. The 6-speed manual was just for the show car. HOPEFULLY, I've read BS but it'll prolly come with the 6-speed manumatic just because it's the easiest most economical way to do it and it'll be hella-fast with it. We use a modified 7-speed benz tranny, no? Modified to a 5-speed version. Fits nicely in the chassis where a manual doesn't. It'd be too easy to take it to a 6-speed with similar programming and computer systems.

[aroenche]

For me, there's zero point in buying one unless the Challenger is available with a 6-speed standard transmission. It's the reason I haven't traded the Magnum R/T for the MSRT-8, and I've told the dealer as much countless times. My dealer says DCX will never offer a manual tranny in any flavor of the Magnum or Charger, so I shouldn't hold my breath ...

[bipto]

For me, there's zero point in buying one unless the Challenger is available with a 6-speed standard transmission. It's the reason I haven't traded the Magnum R/T for the MSRT-8, and I've told the dealer as much countless times. My dealer says DCX will never offer a manual tranny in any flavor of the Magnum or Charger, so I shouldn't hold my breath ...
Given that this is a new (albeit derived) platform and a manual trans can be engineered in from the start, I would agree that there is more hope in seeing a 3-pedal Challenger than in a future LX... The prevalent rumor is that it will be equipped with the T56 box from the Viper.

Welcome to the forum, BTW... Tell us who you are and show us what you drive...

[k9eros]

I've already made a deal on a Challenger with a dealership also, providing it's available the way I want it. Nothing smaller than the 6.1 liter, and a manual transmission. I have a new 06 Mustang GT until I know for sure about the Challenger. What's really sad is that I don't think the GT is any faster than the Magnum. The only reason for buying the GT was the V8, manual tranny, and retro styling. Plus, resale value won't be bad when the Challenger comes out.

[allpont]

The killer ? If the dealers add an additional "Dealer Service Fee" to the car, like they did with the Prowler and the Chevy SSR's. Makes me want to punch out a headlight or two. I can deal with MSRP, MAYBE, but rub my nose in it that you want me to pay you "extra" , like the dealer actually had anything at all to do with the production of the car from the start. Most dealers are clueless...I usually know more about what I'm buying than most people in the dealership. And it needs as much god loving blessed American HORSEPOWER as humanly possible. " Biuld It and We Will Come !! "

[adaptabl]

I've already made a deal on a Challenger with a dealership also, providing it's available the way I want it. Nothing smaller than the 6.1 liter, and a manual transmission. I have a new 06 Mustang GT until I know for sure about the Challenger. What's really sad is that I don't think the GT is any faster than the Magnum. The only reason for buying the GT was the V8, manual tranny, and retro styling. Plus, resale value won't be bad when the Challenger comes out.


How can you make a deal on a car that you have no details on, no pricing and no idea when the first model will be produced?

P.S. If you want I can make you a deal on a flight to the moon at the new Lunar hotel by Hilton.

[CoolVanilla]

How can you make a deal on a car that you have no details on, no pricing and no idea when the first model will be produced?

P.S. If you want I can make you a deal on a flight to the moon at the new Lunar hotel by Hilton.:roll: Happens all the time. Its not at all uncommon to agree to a purchase, based on projected specs at a projected pricepoint or "to not exceed". In fact, much of my business runs on such purchases.

[k9eros]

You really want me to make you sick???
How about $500 over invoice, ordered to my specs. No idea what invoice will be, but that's the deal I got.

How can you make a deal on a car that you have no details on, no pricing and no idea when the first model will be produced?

P.S. If you want I can make you a deal on a flight to the moon at the new Lunar hotel by Hilton.

[TriShield]

Muscle cars generally aren't nimble nor light, if that's what you like you better look elsewhere. Since the car is going to be LX based you already know what to expect dynamically.

I've also heard through the grapevine the car is not going to be mass produced or cheap. Think of it as the Viper of pony cars. Not a bad thing at all I think.

[Dilliam]

Why would I not buy one? Read my signature!

[WIMP]

It doesn't matter much to me 6 spd manual or manumatic, price is more important. It would be nice to have a choice of engine (V8's) but it definately needs a performance computer running the thing not the anti mod thing we're stuck with!

[67alecto]

Why would I not buy one? Read my signature!

I thin the problem lies more with your dealership than with the car.

[Dilliam]

I thin the problem lies more with your dealership than with the car.

It has been through three dealerships.

[67alecto]

It has been through three dealerships.

I'd go to a 4th

[Dilliam]

I'd go to a 4th

If I had wanted to drive 200 miles for service, I would have bought a BMW. The last dealer replaced both fuel pumps, had the fuel rail off, replaced a ton of sensors, and got - 0 - help from Chrysler. There is a time when enough is enough.

[PowerWagon896]

It has been through three dealerships.

I don't think anyone is paying much attention anymore, I know I'm not.

[PowerWagon896]

How can you make a deal on a car that you have no details on, no pricing and no idea when the first model will be produced?

P.S. If you want I can make you a deal on a flight to the moon at the new Lunar hotel by Hilton.

The "deal" is probably based largely on the trade in allowance on the mustang.

I basicly bought my Charger over the internet sight unseen and the dealers quoted the trade in allowance of my "04" Trailblazer. I had 4 dealers in 2 states quoting me basicly the same deal, X#$ for my trade against the retail price.

I beat them against each other for a week before buying a GMG Daytona from the local dealer. It had a few more options than I really wanted but it was a 4 hour drive to get exactly what I wanted and then the local dealer would have a bug up his a$$ everytime I came in for service.

Besides my local dealer is great on service.

[Shelby]

Ask me about my Lemon Dodge Charger. Last time in the shop was approx 41 days and it is still not fixed!


Lemon - is that a factory color or did you have it painted special? :grin:

[MemphisNET]

Back to the thread at hand, price needs to be low, or at least comparable to the Mustang GT, or if it is more expensive (which it most likely will be) it better make the 'Stang's head spin.

The Challenger would most likely be put on a diet. The car will shrink compared to the Charger/300C, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is less work put into things like noise cancellation.

Regardless, think of the Challenger as future-proofing your investment. Give it 20years or so, and they'll be worth more than new - just like pretty much every single Mopar from the 70's.

[Dilliam]

I don't think anyone is paying much attention anymore, I know I'm not.

Great attitude there. Apparently you did care, because you went to the trouble to post this message. I hope you don't have any trouble with your Dodge vehicles.

[jaak]

Ask me about my two lemon Nissans...

I'll take my Dodge, thanks!

[Dilliam]

Ask me about my two lemon Nissans...

I'll take my Dodge, thanks!

Did you have to sue to get a resolution?

[jaak]

No, I got a Dodge Magnum and I'm not looking back. Were they lemons? Perhaps not the way people would think, but a two year old car having a transmission failure (Unexplained, no parts found in the fluid and they replaced the whole thing) and then a transfer case failure on my Murano and while I like how Nissan/Infinitis drive, I won't be getting another one soon.

As far as the original intent of this thread, while it's nice to have a high revving engine, there are days when I really don't want to drive something that sounds like I'm stuck in a Coke can with a Bee.

I was showing my wife pictures of the Challenger last night, astounded she hadn't seen it. She told me immediately, SHE's getting one...

I hope she does!

[Cdn_Magnum]

No, I got a Dodge Magnum and I'm not looking back. Were they lemons? Perhaps not the way people would think, but a two year old car having a transmission failure (Unexplained, no parts found in the fluid and they replaced the whole thing) and then a transfer case failure on my Murano and while I like how Nissan/Infinitis drive, I won't be getting another one soon.

As far as the original intent of this thread, while it's nice to have a high revving engine, there are days when I really don't want to drive something that sounds like I'm stuck in a Coke can with a Bee.

I was showing my wife pictures of the Challenger last night, astounded she hadn't seen it. She told me immediately, SHE's getting one...

I hope she does!

I'm very disappointed in you!!!!! I thought you had better manners than that (lol). You SHOULD have shown it to her back when the first pictures came out!! Left them stategically planted... I mean ... placed around the house as suttle... errrmm.. hints... ya that it ... hints!!

[k9eros]

Actually no, the deal for $500 over invoice was based on a cash deal, I didn't own the GT when I made the deal. When the car is ordered, I'll find out what trade in will be for it, that will give me a while to try and sell it outright before trading it in. Shoot, I might keep the GT just to keep the miles off the Challenger!

The "deal" is probably based largely on the trade in allowance on the mustang.

[pigpen]

What would make you not buy a challenger ah My house and bills I am trying to pay off.

[WIMP]

What would make me not buy a Challenger? Well if it were to be like the Shelby Mustang thats coming out now, where it's 45,000 sticker and our area dealers say they're going to ask 10,000-12,000 over sticker. Ya it's a nice car but if you were to put that money on moding a G.T. you'ld be money ahead. I can't see buying one for an investment, Investment = garage car. Thats why I bought a Magnum. Think; Mustang GT that can be driven in the snow!

[Mike K]

No manual tranny, no buy! I mean it, this time!!

Mike

[Admiral Assjack]

For me, it has to come with a manual tranny. and it would be weak if they charged more for it. another thing that would deter me in buying it is if the ywanted like 40k for it. i just cant afford that. the only options i want is a sunroof with manual transmission. if i could get a black one like that for under 35k out the door... id buy one asap!! i so hope thats the case!

[Smoove06CSRT]

the only thing that would change my mind is that there is so mutch time left for the corporate azzhats to mess up the design...... you see it time and time again.... Prototype = Badazz Production = Bland...

[1MRMOPAR]

I was at the Carlisle show and the Chrysler rep told me to expect a 50-60k price tag on it the first year. WTF!?! That just took the wind out of my sails. The 5.7 Hemi at the Magnum R/T price range and we have a deal. If not, well the maggie has a big Christmas ahead of her with all the mods that can be had!

[67alecto]

I was at the Carlisle show and the Chrysler rep told me to expect a 50-60k price tag on it the first year. WTF!?! That just took the wind out of my sails. The 5.7 Hemi at the Magnum R/T price range and we have a deal. If not, well the maggie has a big Christmas ahead of her with all the mods that can be had!

That wouldn't make any sense at all if you think about it. 60k on a car that wouldn't be faster than a cheaper vette?

This car is being designed as a competitor to the Mustang and Camaro.

Check out this article:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060424/FREE/60424004/1024/LATESTNEWS

"Said Eberhardt, the Challenger "is a larger car, and I think it will be (priced) a little above" the Mustang. "

Of course, the definition of "a little" will be key here, since the Mustang GTs start at around 25k w/o options.

[Praetorian]

What would make me not buy it? The fact that we just decided to sell our house and move into an inexpensive double wide so we can get 100% outta debt so we can send my wife through a Maters progam to be a Nurse-Anesthetist .

[rickgonz]

Not buy: same weight as Charger, sticker over $30K
Will buy: about 300 lbs less and $26k base price for Hemi, the base R/T should have simple AC with delete option (no dual zone), base radio (no SATNAV, DVD, etc), less sound deadening material, definitely none under the hood, lighter ceiling material, no trunk mat, plastic and aluminum everywhere. No chrome. No gewgaws, not even paint stripes down the sides. Every extraneous ounce must come off. Hip point has to be at least 3 inches lower than the Charger/Magnum/300. Manual seat adj only, and with manual pedal adj (or maybe not)

[pablo]

Hello yo'all, I owned both the challenger and 'Cuda back in the day and the 'Cuda was always the baddasss of the bunch, both in looks and in Go-power Mo-Power. Why the dodge boys got over on DR Z and brought a challenger to the table without the sister ship 'cuda is unknown,( I know the Plymouth plate was retired, but what the hell, they could have called it the Chrysler 'Cuda), Anyway, Check out Barret-Jackson Auctions on Speed Channel to see what model ( Cuda or Challenger ) get the BIG BUCKS. Well, will I buy a new Challenger? Hell yes! If the local dodge dealers don't go loco on the price! With $4 dollar a gal gas soon, they may have to give 'em away! That's how we bought our 06 mag! I saw this site's numbers on this years dodge magnum sales, and that exactly why we waited to buy. Remember the Pt ( Plymouth truck ) Cruiser? $25,000+ be the first on the block? Now they cant give 'em away at $9.999 new in So Calif. And to all a good night! Pablo

[Aikidoka]

What would make me NOT buy one.

2 Words.

THE WIFE.

[Hemi31]

What would make me NOT buy one.

2 Words.

THE WIFE.Excuses,excuses!

[Zentenk]

The new Camaro... ;)

[RT NOMAD]

For me to trade my much moded Magnum, the Challenger will need to have a $35K price tag with a 6.4L 500hp/500ft-lbs killer motor. (okay, I'll go up to $38K)

But I do love my Magnum.

[jtw715]

What would it take for me to buy one?

A back seat with three seatbelts. I have 6-year-old twins and an 8-year-old. This would be my daily driver, and as per my dear wife, I must be able to squeeze her and kids into my car if the need arises. I wonder how big the trunk will be? :loser:

What would be nice to have?

Sublime Green, Statutory Grape, Top Banana, and real Go Mango: Heritage packages would be a plus too (T/A Stripes, functional hood scoops, shaker, etc)
6 speed manual trans, just like the concept car
Updated Ralley Wheels
5.7 with an MSRP 2 grand less than the Charger R/T, or at least a price point that competes with the Mustang. I hope DC gets the pricing right.
6.1 with an MSRP 2 grand less than the Charger SRT-8

[pbf00t]

What would it take for me to buy one?

A back seat with three seatbelts. I have 6-year-old twins and an 8-year-old. This would be my daily driver, and as per my dear wife, I must be able to squeeze her and kids into my car if the need arises. I wonder how big the trunk will be? :loser:


Yep, three seatbelts and room for three boosters (by that time). Twin five year olds and a 2 year old. The 300/maggie/charger are the only cars I can find that do that well. Most mid-sized SUV's don't fit three seats, at least not in a way I consider safe.

The car must also have at least SRT8 HP and a manual transmission.

People ask me why we have a Magnum and a Charger - easy answer, tows 2000 lbs, class 3 hitch (bike racks, etc.), RWD, traction/stability control, 340/350HP, enough room in the trunk for a stroller and it goes like heck in comfort. Nothing else out there even comes close. If the Challenger ends up being a useful Mustang it will be an amazing car. I'm speaking as a person that has owned 8 Mustangs, at least one from every generation except the latest and the mid-seventies.

[Ella C SRT]

Once the hype wears off, the 6.4 will probably be around 37K. Unless they really fumble on the production model, that might take a year or so. Realistically, once the Camaro and the Challenger hit the market, the Mustang will be a thing of the past. Then again, 'cause you never know, Ford might surprise us in '09 or so.

What would make me buy one?
A longer front end. Their attempt at an illusion of length just makes the car look awkward, IMHO.

[cadzilla74]

Ragtop

[STREET LIFE R/T]

I just want the 6 speed trans if they have one...:racing: