3.5 shootout update with Jet Chip

[factorydusa]

http://www.factoryd-usa.com/dynorun3.jpg
2005 Mag 2.5 SXT with 22" wheels and no other mods
ON ALL CAR RUNS THE FOLLOWING WAS USED:

(1) 93 Oct. Gas (2) Jet Stage 1 chip (3) stock to weapon-r intake


First run ( goes by lowest file number)

Bone stock intake with JET CHIP RUN FILE 11 RED HP 165.95
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NOTE RUN FILE 10 was a base run that did not have a wire hooked up and was disregarded.**

Second Run

OEM intake NO filter RUN FILE 13 BLUE HP 160.15


Third Run
Factory D style intake RUN FILE 15 GREEN HP 159.78


4th and BEST RUN! RUN FILE 16 ORANGE HP 172.01
Weapon-R Secret Intake


We could no run the WR filter on the other pipes because of outlet size on new filter style. (this is why 1 less run which would have resulted in loss of power anyways)

The clear winner is the WEAPON-R Secret intake being the O N L Y intake in the competiton to actually gain power!!! This is proof you must have a JET CHIP and strongly think exhaust to get max gains for your dollar. The basic JET CHIP only shows a 5+ hp/TQ gain and will be much better with exhaust.

JET stage 2 test was useless with so few mods


Next test: Intake, Chip, Exhaust on same 3.5



Group buy begins today on the WR INTAKE for 3.5 and 2.7 LX's
We will make a deal on chips/intake combos as well as with exhaust for best gains!


OLD NUMBERS SAME CAR MINUS JET STAGE 1!!

http://www.factoryd-usa.com/3.5dynoold.jpg

[NC-SXT]

Thanks for the update and post. Man we thought you were abducted by aliens or something. The last weeks graph doesnt show up. Thaks for all your effort. I am sure you will see some sales out of the Weapon-R nice piece of work.

[factorydusa]

sorry guys we were so tied up on some new LX parts being made in LA we just got back in 2 days ago to start getting all this info sorted and back to the jet.

I hate suspense too, my apologies

david

[Charger SXT]

Any idea what the group price will be? Also, got any new pics?

[l1tech]

Am I looking at something wrong, or did just the jet chip with the stock intake make basically the same hp/tq as with no chip. IMO a gain of 2.68hp and 5.63 lb/ft of tq is not worth the price of a jet chip and an intake.

[Meister]

Am I looking at something wrong, or did just the jet chip with the stock intake make basically the same hp/tq as with no chip. IMO a gain of 2.68hp and 5.63 lb/ft of tq is not worth the price of a jet chip and an intake.It'll be essentially the same with the superchips and their 87 octane tune,|1tech. The gain will be in the driveability issues, by & large, until you go to the 91 tune, or higher, where the chip/tuner will enable the PCM to give an appropriate timing bump to raise the power. This equates to the stage 2 jet chip.

On the 5.7L motor the stage 2 chip will give noticeably more power, even with only an intake mod, than will the stage 1 chip, as it will credit you with the higher octane fuel and advance timing, and power, accordingly. The same should be true on the V-6 as well.

I'd be surprised if the stage 2 chip would not have given a noticeably larger power gain in this test series than did the stage 1 jet chip, as the 93 octane fuel was essentially ignored by the stage 1.

The higher octane fuel most certainly would not have been ignored by the stage 2 chip, with more power as the totally predictable by product.

[factorydusa]

For max power gains, Stage 2 WR intake and exhaust system (and others of course)

Stage 1 should be road driven to see the difference, it was noticable all over the shift points and WOT for sure

The WR had by far the best sound and you can hear the noise barrel through the system

THIS TEST is to prove that the majority of intakes cannot make power EVEN with a chip and NOT ONE can make power without one, it is impossible

[factorydusa]

http://www.factoryd-usa.com/02-28-06_1148.jpg

[Charger SXT]

http://www.factoryd-usa.com/02-28-06_1148.jpg

Sweet! Can you get the cover in red?

Also, any info on price yet, with and without the JET chip?

[Meister]

Wow, David.

What beautiful routing and craftsmanship.

She's looking so sweet.

You're the man, to be delivering this to the long-neglected V-6 LX community. :thumbs_u:

[Grelf]

Group buy cost??? :> INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!

No really, how much? :>

[MooNDoGGie]

JET stage 2 test was useless with so few mods


I'm not sure I understand this comment. Meister, you say that the Stage II with 91 octane,CAI,exhaust will give best bank for the buck and FactoryD says the above quote.

Whats best here? Stage I or Stage II?

Help me understand :)

[factorydusa]

We were using information given by JET.

They said the stage 2 has too advanced AF ratios to affect a stock exhaust system.

LONGHORN and I are getting together soon to put all the goodies on his car and I'll eat the DYNO fee to show the gains

stage 2 WR intake Exhaust Thermo upgrade


THANKS MEISTER.


GB prices and info TOMORROW in our section and vendor

[ASU_Magnum]

meister correct me if im wrong here but, with the stage I shouldnt 89 still have been used?

factoryd, do you have any plans to run a car that has a stage II, free flow exhaust, and intake? I think the stage II would have significant boost. not sure what longhorn has on his car but I would really be interested in seeing this.

[LonghornSpencer]

meister correct me if im wrong here but, with the stage I shouldnt 89 still have been used?

factoryd, do you have any plans to run a car that has a stage II, free flow exhaust, and intake? I think the stage II would have significant boost. not sure what longhorn has on his car but I would really be interested in seeing this.
Right now my Mag is completly stock, well it does have the K&N Drop in but it's going away, FDUSA and I are going to be putting exhaust, the WR Intake, Stage 2, and thermo then we will see from there.

[Meister]

I'm not sure I understand this comment. Meister, you say that the Stage II with 91 octane,CAI,exhaust will give best bank for the buck and FactoryD says the above quote.

Whats best here? Stage I or Stage II?...See factorydusa's next post, MD. Jet sales personnel are often their own worst enemy, and take an extremely conservative approach, perhaps for fear of someone eventually fouling their cats due to an over-rich mixture and trying to sue them.

Reasonable Jet Performance reps freely admit that more power will be had with a stage 2 chip than with a stage 1 chip, even stock, assuming you run a higher octane fuel. And they will tell you that you should plan to upgrade your intake and exhaust systems to freer flowing ones within a reasonable amount of time or you run the risk of eventually fouling the cat due to a potential over-rich air-fuel mixture.

Only the stage II chip will reward the running of a higher octane fuel with an accompanying bump in timing. Hence more power, hence the need for higher flow intake, etc. It's a very positive cycle.

meister correct me if im wrong here but, with the stage I shouldnt 89 still have been used?

factoryd, do you have any plans to run a car that has a stage II, free flow exhaust, and intake? I think the stage II would have significant boost. not sure what longhorn has on his car but I would really be interested in seeing this.Yes, running higher octane fuel without an attendant timing increase results in a net loss of power, drummer. I'd have to read the stage 1 jet chip's recommendation, but it may even make the best power on 87 octane.

Basic rule: For any given timing setting, the lowest octane fuel you can run, without detonation, provides the most power, because that is the fuel which produces the most heat.

[FF2MOE]

Hurry up Tomorrow. I wanna see the prices. My 2.6L V6 is ready to go vroom vroom..Damn I am just excited about this as I was watching the detailers wash the magnum the day I picked her up.
Hmmmm...I know I have my time machine around here somewhere...Oh there it is....hehehehehe, DOH all out of power, it's just a stock Quantumfizzpoprockhulabaloo V6 Timemachineythingy, it's waiting for it's Jet also. DAMN the life of a V6......

[boggart]

Factory, I don't mean this negative in any way, I'm trying to understand something. Why would you test the 3" pipe with the K&N filter as a comparison point, instead of testing your intake against the K&N Aircharger? That would seem the more valid comparison to me, given that none of us have a 3" aluminum pipe with a K&N stuck at the end, but a lot of us have the aircharger.

[MooNDoGGie]

Right now my Mag is completly stock, well it does have the K&N Drop in but it's going away, FDUSA and I are going to be putting exhaust, the WR Intake, Stage 2, and thermo then we will see from there.

When are you planning on doing this? What exhaust are you going to put on it?

Thanks,

[factorydusa]

I am testing out 3 muffler types for LONGHORN right now to make sure we get him the best sound/delivery possible. I am hoping to hear the results this afternoon!


Stage 2 and intake are already waiting for him.

[Charger SXT]

sorry guys we were so tied up on some new LX parts being made in LA we just got back in 2 days ago to start getting all this info sorted and back to the jet.

I hate suspense too, my apologies

david

David,

For someone who hates suspense, you sure are keeping us in it with respect to the GB price. My credit card is just beggin' to be used. :p :pepper:

[factorydusa]

Waiting on Leo at Weapon-R

We are exclusive on this part since we did all of the research and such. However, he makes it and we are asking for maximum discount to give the LX members so standard prices dont count here...

He promised this morning but is 2 hours behind us... He just wanted to make sure he wasn't losing money on the cost he is charging!!

[Charger SXT]

Gotcha! Can't wait to see what the price ends up at. Gotta get the missus permission no matter what. :wink: I'll most likely end up getting her a new car first, and then I can get my toys. :thumbs_u:

Also, I hope you realize that my last post was in jest.

[factorydusa]

Oh absolutely !! If you think you are out of patience.. we haven't sold a single intake in over a month because of this!! WE are broke !! lol :)


I just want the best price for the easiest members I have ever had the pleasure to work with...

[boggart]

tap, tap, tap. Hello, anyone out there?


Factory, I don't mean this negative in any way, I'm trying to understand something. Why would you test the 3" pipe with the K&N filter as a comparison point, instead of testing your intake against the K&N Aircharger? That would seem the more valid comparison to me, given that none of us have a 3" aluminum pipe with a K&N stuck at the end, but a lot of us have the aircharger.

[factorydusa]

Oh sorry!! lol

I did not have an aircharger kit around at the time of testing to use for the 2.7 or 3.5

We are pretty much seeing a trend where 3" pipe or less will not produce power with a KN based filter.

The WR is a 3.5 pipe with a pipe inside pipe design and a Foam filter that creates velocity at point of contact.

I am more than happy to add one to my test if someone local has one to use. I personally do not stock them or offer them but I am up to the challenge of course!

[factorydusa]

FOR THE GROUP BUY CLICK BELOW


http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?p=260338#post260338

[GGR]

are those intake pipes for sale yet?

if so, how much, and are they in stock and ready to go?

[factorydusa]

For sale CLICK the link!

[Meister]

They're awesome! And what a killer price, David. :thumbs_u:

Unreal!

OK, you LX V-6ers - here's your opportunity to put your money where you mouth is. Let the stampede begin!!

[factorydusa]

Tell that to the people who think it's a rip off for the prices, I guess all the HP hopes that other brands have built up to the members won't allow them to see what they were actually getting the whole time.

[Paradog]

I do have a key question. The dynos have been great! Is there any plans to run these CAI setups on the 3.5 with a high flow exhaust and the jet 1 or 2? I am curious if the results are increased with the exhaust. Reasoning would say it would but facts are best.

[factorydusa]

They will increase because we are increasing flow to one end and nothing to the other.

LONGHORN will get tested once I figure out which exhaust will be best for him

[GGR]

http://www.factoryd-usa.com/02-28-06_1148.jpg

I was speaking of this intake.

[boggart]

I would certainly buy one of the Weapon R intakes if I didn't already have another brand. Your GB price is very comparable to the price I paid for mine.

Good Job Factory, I hope you sell all you can make.

[MooNDoGGie]

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The Perfect Ideal for Weapon R Secret Weapon Short Ram Intake



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We would like to explain how the " SECRET WEAPON " Intake system works



Here are some pictures of a flow test done with our specially designed flow bench. Our flow bench is very similar to those used to test flow in machine shops. We measure pressure, in this case vacuum pressure, inside of the pipe. The form of measurement we use is in H2O, or inches of water. This is the same as a majority of industry flow benches. Almost all flow benches use a meter called a Manometer, which has actual water in it, to make its measurements. We opted for a more precise method, using a precision tuned digital vacuum meter, provided to us by The DigiVac Company. The easiest to read this is the higher the number on the display, the better the flow is through the pipe. All test shown were performed using a Craftsman 5hp wet/dry vacuum as a vacuum source.

Picture 1 : Picture of the PATENT PENDING " Secret Weapon Intake Pipe " design. You can see the smaller inner tube used to increase velocity. The airflow through the inner tube has a higher velocity than a standard 3" intake pipe. The higher velocity / volume of airflow from the inner pipe creates a low-pressure vacuum at the throttle body end of the pipe, called a Venturi. This Venturi draws the air from the outer pipe, increasing its velocity, and increasing the overall volume of air entering the engine.

http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/products/783-p1.jpg
Picture 2 :In this picture, we first test a standard 3” pipe. Here you can see that the display is reading 1.4 in H20. We cap off the other pipe to provide a more accurate reading. http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/products/783-p2.jpg
Picture 3 : In this picture we are now testing the Secret Weapon design. We see that the reading has increased to 2.3 in H20. This increase is due to the small inner pipe increasing velocity in the intake tract. http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/products/783-p3.jpg
Picture 4 : In this photo, we test a pretty good-sized K&N style gauze filter. You can see that with this filter, the reading has actually DECREASED down to 2.0 inH2O. http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/products/783-p4.jpg

Picture 5 : Swapping a Secret Weapon filter for the gauze filter, shows a large increase over the gauge filter and over just the open pipe as well. The improved velocity stack and filter design encourages the air to flow in a direct route through the pipe while maintaining a high velocity and low restriction.


http://www.autoaccessorystore.com/products/783-p5.jpg

What does this all mean?
The Secret Weapon uses two important laws of physics to increase airflow. The first law is Boyles law. This law basically states that as air velocity increases, its volume increases as well, while the pressure decreases. The second law is the Bernoulli Equation, where a moving fluid (in this case air) has a lower pressure than air that is standing still, or is moving slowly. This same law is used in NASCAR for both downforce and "drafting." When we increase the air velocity in the intake, we create a low pressure area that draws a higher volume of air than a standard intake would. In layman's terms, we are creating a vacuum effect using natural laws of physics.

Do the Weapon*R Air Filters, filter dirt better than K&N / AEM / Injen Air Filters?
The Secret Weapon Air Filter is made of Polyeurethane Foam, which is rated at 300 Pores per square inch. Whereas the K&N / AEM / INJEN air filters are rated at 30-60 pores per square inch. This means that there is more dirt particles passing through the air filter to the engine when using their filters.

Why is the Secret Weapon Air Filter so much better?
The reason why the Secret Weapon Air Filter flows much better than any other filter on the market today is because of the specially designed Velocity Stack inside the air filter, it helps gather more air into the air filter and velocitize the air into the intake tube.


What are you buying?

The air filter can be totally taken apart and cleaned. The foam is denser and more thicker than the Dragon filter.
The velocity stank inside the air filter is a TRUE VELOCITY STACK. The Air filter has Ram Air capability, by hooking up the hose to the top of the air filter.
The intake has another Air Passage way inside the intake pipe to create a Air Fusion, imagine 2 different pathways of air inside the intake pipe, one air traveling in pathway #1 going 2 x faster than pathway #2. When the two different pathways of airflow meet at the end of the pipe they create a fusion effect which enhances the AIR SPEED of the by 3 times.
The Secret Weapon Intake Systems is an result of countless hours of testing and tuning of air intake velocity, Airmass and Airspeed for each vehicle application. The Result, an intake system that performs better than any Cold Air Intake, but with a Short Ram. It is possible by Weapon*R's Patent Pending Speed Velocity theory, By creating a higher airspeed in the intake path you increase airmass and airspeed, which greatly increase horsepower.

This is possible by Creating two different paths of airflow, both flowing at different airspeeds, due to the tubing diameter in which the air is traveling. Now when the 2 different paths of air meet,they create a vacuum, which is where the airspeed starts to multiply, forcing more air into the engine at a higher rate, creating more horsepower.

The Secret Weapon Intake Systems are carefully CNC mendrel bent out of 6061 Aluminum, and then Hand Tig Welded in sections to ensure a constant balance in airflow, regulation in airspeed, positive seal and proper fittment. Each one of these intake systems are carefully tuned, by matching the engines displacement, air intake capacity and airspeed to the intake systems tube size,length and secondary pathway tubing diameters to maximize the full potential of the SECRET WEAPON INTAKE SYSTEM.

This Intake is Matched with our Newly designed SW1 Filter, which provides maximum airflow, with the protection of high quality dense Poly Urethane Foam. Many studies have shown Flow rates of up to 80% more Air and Better Dirt Filtration with Foam Filter than the conventional cotton filter. The SW1 main feature is an Computer CAD Designed and Flow benched Tested TURBO Velocity Stack, which greatly increases airflow ,airspeed and airmass into the engine, therefore increasing engine performance. Another one of the SW1 Filters great features are the capability to be dis-assembled to be cleaned and then re-assembled after cleanings or to change the color of the foam filtering element.

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[MooNDoGGie]

Whazup with this? Is it dead?

[Meister]

Patience MD. It's all been explained.

[factorydusa]

PRODUCTION on the 5.7 3.5 2.7 Secret intakes has begun.

5.7 offers the scoop/rambox for the max airflow available intake for a Hemi today.

PM us if you are interested.

MOONDOGGIE sent you a PM so I can get you that intake this weekend

[FF2MOE]

Hurry up Tomorrow. I wanna see the prices. My 2.6L V6 is ready to go vroom vroom..Damn I am just excited about this as I was watching the detailers wash the magnum the day I picked her up.
Hmmmm...I know I have my time machine around here somewhere...Oh there it is....hehehehehe, DOH all out of power, it's just a stock Quantumfizzpoprockhulabaloo V6 Timemachineythingy, it's waiting for it's Jet also. DAMN the life of a V6......


Here it is people, I just received my goodies today. WOO WHOOO, but I won't put it in til tomorrow (sorry) BUT I will be in here to post my results on MPG/Performance, burn outs(if possible) and whatever else I can think of.

Currently have a DynoDay set for those of us here in San Diego, check this thread: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=26930

I need a few more to sign up to make the dyno day work, then I will be able to get dyno results to post.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/ffiimo/WRINTAKEJETCHIP.jpg

[BlueGnu]

Dyno's look great..but the tune looks like a POS! 15:1 at 4k..c'mon Jetchips did you actually have an lx in the shop or did you just tweat the parameters blindly.

The product has huge potential (A/F tuning AND advanncing timing!!) but won't ever be realized unless the chip is tuned properly..aka get Jetchip to tune each config and allow you to order it for that set of mods. The most crucual variable is the intake pipe diameter. (aka 3-3.5" aluminum mandrel bent intake with high flow cone filter) But that A/f has got to be fixed or gains will not be seen.

We want 12.5-13:1 at 2k rpm!