Please build cheap V8 model

[Ecolab]

They need to make a affordable v8 model. Along the same lines as the SRT4 and a base Mustang GT. Cloth seats, no moldings, totally base interior, even crank windows, i don't care, just get it under 25k. I would also be interested in this same formula with a turbo or supercharged 3.5 or 4.0. But with all the hemis DCX puts in cars it would most likely be cheaper (as far as production costs for dodge) just to throw a hemi in an SE trim car with a 6 speed, springs, brakes, and 18in rims. Call it the "what ever" pakage, just make sure it doesn't involve stupid graphics. I'm a younger guy, 26, and don't have a the scratch laying around for a 30k+ coupe. Get the price point low enough and I will do what ever it takes to get one.

What do you think?

[GasGunR]

They need to make a affordable v8 model..... just to throw a hemi in an SE trim car with a 6 speed, springs, brakes, and 18in rims. Call it the "what ever" pakage, just make sure it doesn't involve stupid graphics. I'm a younger guy, 26, and don't have a the scratch laying around for a 30k+ coupe. Get the price point low enough and I will do what ever it takes to get one.

What do you think?

I think ROAD RUNNER... Stripped car with no frills and a BIG motor! They did it in 1968, nothing new to the concept, its still a great idea I think. (Though us old farts like to be comfortable too!)

Don

[Rev.Hammer]

Umm these cars are already being built,

Yugo
Renault

[createdbyone]

i know its not a v8, but the srt4 is what you described, with a HUGE aftermarket.

[SoCal_Magnum]

how about buying an SE then a $5000 mopar motor? should be right at $25k eh??

[Spali32]

Either they build one for $25k with what you just described or look into getting a better paying job to afford one. Just curious on what you do for a living being 26 years old and can't afford a 30K car. It all comes down to.... if you want to have something good, you have to be willing or able to pay for it. You should be buying a home at your age and letting your investment make something for ya so you can afford something in the 30K range later on.

[Fred]

If you can't pay to play the game... Buy a pre-owned. You can find them already. The dealers are giving people low 20's on their RT trade-ins and then you get all the bells and whistles still. At this stage in your life I don't think you should entertain the idea of a "new" car vs. a pre-owned. If I had been a little more patient (waiting long enough that people are trading in RT's) I wouldn't have bought it new, but it was nice being able to check off the "All of the above" box on the order sheet for my AWD RT.
You can easily save ten grand by going pre-owned here.

[boggart]

I'm 37 and can afford a 30k car, but choose not so throw money away like that. I'm married, have kids, a house, etc... there are more important things in life than blowing your whole wad on a car.

What this guy is asking for isn't out of line. He's asking for DC to give the buyer some choices. Me for example, I wanted and R/T Magnum, but when DC in all of their infinite wisdom decided that it would ONLY be sold with the leather interior, they made me go for the SXT. Why? I hate leather interiors, hate them hate them hate them! Why did DC do this? I dunno, they're idiots sometimes I guess. But back to the challenger, I'd wager good money that they'd sell a lot more of the stripped down V8 models than the higher end ones. Just depends on if they want the money.

[Teahead]

By 2009, you should be having a better job, but a V8 car for $25k? Possibly...in 2010.

There'll be so much price goudging the 1st year, you'll be lucky to get an '09 Challenger R/T for less than $40k I bet.

After the initial hype, you might be able to get a stripper for maybe $27k.

Save your money now!

[TurboAWD]

How many old LX 5.0L Mustangs did they sell against the higher price GT 5.0L models..? Probobly about 3-1. A stripper model would definetly be a good idea..and with the amount of 5.7 hemi engines in salvage yards and such in the next 7-10 years you'll HAVE the next 32 Ford,55 Chevy,69 Camaro,93 Civic......
I fully believe the 5.7 HEMI is the next small block chevy...

[SoCal_Magnum]

This post seemed kinda mean spirited dude. A 30k car is a LUXURY. Not everyone is in the same boat! And if you can afford your own home at 26, you're doing pretty damn well (at least in California)

I am 24 and consider myself to be EXTREMELY blessed to be able to afford my RT, some upgrades, and my monthly apartment rent out here in West Hollywood. Not everyone is as fortunate as I...I certainly realize that.

I think you probably hurt that dude's feelings :(

Either they build one for $25k with what you just described or look into getting a better paying job to afford one. Just curious on what you do for a living being 26 years old and can't afford a 30K car. It all comes down to.... if you want to have something good, you have to be willing or able to pay for it. You should be buying a home at your age and letting your investment make something for ya so you can afford something in the 30K range later on.

[MoparStore]

Either they build one for $25k with what you just described or look into getting a better paying job to afford one. Just curious on what you do for a living being 26 years old and can't afford a 30K car. It all comes down to.... if you want to have something good, you have to be willing or able to pay for it. You should be buying a home at your age and letting your investment make something for ya so you can afford something in the 30K range later on.

Not EVERYONE is blessed with well paying jobs.. That doesnt mean that the guys with the lower paying jobs cant go just as fast..

I for one would be interested in a striped model challenger. 5.7/6.1L hemi, no options. Maybe a radio, but i would be listening to the Hemi play the pipes.

Would be a good idea for just an all out race car. Lowest, base challenger, cloth seats, steering wheel, and shifter.. thats all you really need!

Thankfully i have heated seats in my magnum... unfortunatly i dont think i can go back. lol.

[gumby]

I'm also 26 and before I moved I considered my job to be one that payed well... But I own a home and could afford a 30k car I opted for the se model and would have even if the hemi came in the options I wanted...

I like to keep a comfortable budget with a mortgage, new car payment, and a family I'm happy I saved the 160-200$ difference per month on a motor that I truely dont need....

But like the guy said buid a stripped down all motor v8 for under or at 25 and I would have and will buy in the future.

[MCaesar]

Please

ABSOLUTELY NO CHEAPIE V6 MODELS!!!!!!!!!!!

That completely cheapens the entire line. If people want a cheap coupe then buy a Stratus!

This is supposed to be a flagship model. Stop thinking one car fits all.

I don't have a problem with a cost effective model but it better have a hemi and proper brakes and suspension. If you want to save money cut the power seats and stuff.

[boggart]

Guess you never heard of a slant 6 Challenger.

Exactly how would it negatively impact you for a V6 model to be produced as long as the SRT model was available for you as well?

[MCaesar]

Of course I have heard of the slant six and I have driven them. That is exactly why they should be put in a halo car.

If you want a cheaper car that is slow by a Stratus coupe. Production capacity at Brampton is limited enough without wasting it on Challenger 6 cylinders.

[boggart]

Brampton builds LX cars, my understanding is that they don't even know where they'll build the LY cars yet. Next, it comes across as very uppity (for lack of a better word) of you to want to save the "halo" car for yourself and deny the general pubilc the ability to drive a fantastic looking car. Who says this is the halo car anyway? That's why automakers have always made different trim and engine levels on 99% of the cars produced. What you're trying to do is turn this into another Prowler where you know they sold some, but no-one drives them hence no-one even gets to see them.

Regardless, it seems that our votes cancel each other out.

[lexball50]

I kinda feel what he is saying (orignal poster), I bought a 2005 300C sticker was like 36,000. I now look at how much money i wasted, because I basically changed everything in the car. It came with leather seats, I changed them to some two-toners, had the 18 inch factorys and swapped them for 22's, had the six disc indash with SGII, took all that out and got two more directed amps, 2 12's, all new interior speakers and and a indash tv/dvd/navi. Thats a lot of money wasted. The money i spent on all the aftermarket stuff plus the money i lost on getting rid of all the already paid for the factory options. If you buy an R/T it should still look like the R/T (side moldings and all) but just without certain options.

Come to think of it a plain V-8 would be a great f'ing idea. Then we could have even more money left for even more mods.

[MCaesar]

No, puting a V6 is turning the car into a Prowler.

A Challenger without a V8 is like a muscle guy who can't fight. Just stand around and pose.

If you don't want a V8 buy the new Stratus that will be out.

Or they can wait a year or two and buy a slightly used one.

That is what I hated the most about the Mustangs when I owned them - crappy 4 cylinder ones out there pretending to be V8s. Many of them even put fake badges and tailpipes on.

I can't afford an E55 and I would not buy a 6 cyl look alike to say I had one either. I can accept there are more things in this world that I can't afford than what I can afford. This is only my 3rd new car in my life (not counting cars I got for my wife or father). It has been 11 years since my last new car. Like everyone, I make sacrifices. I drove my Imp to 230,000 miles to save money. I drove my 5 liter to 188,000. I will drive this car until at least 250,000 miles.

We all make choices.

[lexball50]

A Challenger without a V8 is like a muscle guy who can't fight. Just stand around and pose.

Just because you have muscles dont mean you have to fight. (One dumb metaphor for another) I just got a charger sxt because i liked how it looked, I traded in a 2005 300C, not because I couldn't afford it but because I liked how the charger looked and wanted one. I didnt buy it to racing up and down the streets and burning people off the light. I had my fun doing that with the 300C, thats old to me now. My point is saying that is that everyone should get the car that they like, wheter its a v-6 fully loaded with a R/T badge on it or a stripped down V-8. It you have so much money then get rid of the charger and get a real race car like a lambo or porshe, because no one can pretend to be one of those, only with the doors. I hate when people say that "i'm tried of people pretending to be a V-8" and all that s#it. If you can afford a SRT get it, if you can afford a R/T get it, if you can only afford a SE with the R/T badges on it go for it. Not trying to brag but I ain't cheap or broke at all I bought a Charger SXT and love it. I don't have the hemi, but it just what I wanted. If in a little while I feel the need for speed, wheter it be tomorrow or next 5 years, i'll trade it in again and this time get a RT, SRT or something else, but until then i'm happy with my SXT. Just ordered a set of black 22's and grille btw.

[HEMI x 2]

When Dodge built slant six Chargers in '69 (I doubt they sold many but I had a neighbor had one back in the '80's) that did not make my '68 HEMI any less valuable. Volume is the key to keep the price down on the overall model line of a car. If Dodge builds a budget minded six for those that want the look but not the expense of V8 I have no problem with that. Overall the more LYs they can sell the lower the average price throughout the entire line will be.

[MCaesar]

Just because you have muscles dont mean you have to fight. (One dumb metaphor for another) I just got a charger sxt because i liked how it looked, I traded in a 2005 300C, not because I couldn't afford it but because I liked how the charger looked and wanted one. I didnt buy it to racing up and down the streets and burning people off the light. I had my fun doing that with the 300C, thats old to me now. My point is saying that is that everyone should get the car that they like, wheter its a v-6 fully loaded with a R/T badge on it or a stripped down V-8. It you have so much money then get rid of the charger and get a real race car like a lambo or porshe, because no one can pretend to be one of those, only with the doors. I hate when people say that "i'm tried of people pretending to be a V-8" and all that s#it. If you can afford a SRT get it, if you can afford a R/T get it, if you can only afford a SE with the R/T badges on it go for it. Not trying to brag but I ain't cheap or broke at all I bought a Charger SXT and love it. I don't have the hemi, but it just what I wanted. If in a little while I feel the need for speed, wheter it be tomorrow or next 5 years, i'll trade it in again and this time get a RT, SRT or something else, but until then i'm happy with my SXT. Just ordered a set of black 22's and grille btw.

Not having enough power to pass on the highway is old to me.

The Challenger is the ultimate muscle car.

Again, what is wrong with the Stratus coupe as the value leader?

[Johnman]

I think there is nothing wrong with a V6 Challenger being available. Many V6's today are more powerful than common V8's from back in the 60's and 70's. And, in my opinion,they don't cheapen the V8's, they actually make them more prestigious. The only thing is that the V8's should be more easily distinguished visually from the V6's than the current DCX cars are.

[HEMI x 2]

Not having enough power to pass on the highway is old to me.

The Challenger is the ultimate muscle car.

Again, what is wrong with the Stratus coupe as the value leader?

bland styling and front wheel drive.

If the Sebring convertible was RWD I would probably be driving one right now. I owned an '02 Firebird convertible V6 (200 hp) for almost 4 years. Now it was no TA but for a V6 it had plenty power to get out of its own way. I had been a Mopar owner for 22 years but after my Lebaron convertible I swore i will never own another FWD car again. In late 2001 I preferred the looks of the Firebird over the Camaro or Mustang so I bought one.

I sold the bird this past July and had been considering a new Mustang for a daily driver. I have driven both the V6 and GT. The GT is a kidney buster on the Maryland roads I have to travel on to go to work. The V6 rides smoother. There are plenty of upgrades to improve the performance of the V6. I am still considering a Mustang but now I am not as anxious to get something quick after seeing the Challenger. I can be content with driving my HEMI Durango for a couple years until the Challenger comes out. If they do build a Challenger I have to admit I will definitely go for 5.7 HEMI R/T (or equivalent). I am sure this future LY will ride and handle much better than the current Mustang GT.

I can see why there maybe buyers for a V6 Challenger due to insurance and other cost. Most "Muscle Cars" were built on platforms that had a less performing lower cost versions.

[lexball50]

Again, what is wrong with the Stratus coupe as the value leader?

Nothing at all is wrong with a Stratus coupe if someone wants to get a Stratus coupe, but if someone wants a V-6 challenger and its in production, i just think that they should be allowed to buy it and feel just as proud as a V-8 owners.

[FamilyTruxster]

if anything having a v-6 Challenger lets the guys that just had to have the Hemi or even the srt-8 version of whatever they are driving , feel even better about themselves....i mean most of the guys that have to have the best look down on the guys that got the less expensive version....i guess you think that it is like property value...well i have an awd Magnum sxt that is loaded to the gills..bought it new..i couldve gotten an R/T cheaper , new , but i chose what was best for my family and for where we live....I hope to god they come out with a v-6 version...that way just about everybody can enjoy the car as well.....just my 2 cents .....by the way im 29 and have 2 childeren 3rd on the way and a house and my daily driver is an 05 Stratus sedan.....and it rocks....Eric.....oh and ill see you r/t guys in the snow...AWD rocks

[Dilliam]

Either they build one for $25k with what you just described or look into getting a better paying job to afford one. Just curious on what you do for a living being 26 years old and can't afford a 30K car. It all comes down to.... if you want to have something good, you have to be willing or able to pay for it. You should be buying a home at your age and letting your investment make something for ya so you can afford something in the 30K range later on.

Damn that is rude. What is it to you? Not everyone wants leather and power windows. Maybe he has a house and does not want to throw money away on a car when there are more important things.

[da BoMM]

I think a stripped model with your choice of motor makes sense --
growing up "poor" I remember our 1st new car was a '66 Ford Custom --
it had the same motor as the Galaxie 500 and LTD, but didn't have all the CHROME, power windows, big hubcaps, expensive stereo, etc, etc.
For many years I looked at all those options as cosmetic come-ons --
now I'm fat and lazy, and gotta have power windows and power locks.

Especially for many on these forums, you're gonna MOD the damn thing anyway --
why start with all those bells and whistles that you're gonna rip out and replace ???

I might even buy a second one, if they had a stripped $25K 5.7L model.

My two cents.

[Rev.Hammer]

Spali,
what anyone does with thier money is their business. He didn't ask for financial advise as far as I can tell.
ANYONE outside of a speculative collector who buys a car and think that they will do anything but lose money on it, doesn't have his light bulb screwed all the way in...

[Ecolab]

Ok, guess I need to explain myself I little more here. For some reason some of you read my post and thought it said "dirt poor loser that has no idea what he's talking about" well thats not the case, and to those of you that looked at the idea from multiple angles. Thank you.


My current company car (as in free) is a 2005 magnum SE I've had it since 6/16/04 and love the car, it does everything I want it to and does it pretty well. My wife drives a 03 Jetta GLS 1.8 turbo it has leather and heated seats if that means somthing around here. So this would be our third car and just for fun. So it would be very hard for me to justify 30k+ for a car that would sit most of the time. I would be buying the car for its performance and looks and and thats it. I would much rather put some of my extra income into our house than into leather seats and a nav. Its not a matter of being able to pay for the car, its a matter of bang for your buck.

[Dutch]

No, puting a V6 is turning the car into a Prowler.

A Challenger without a V8 is like a muscle guy who can't fight. Just stand around and pose.

If you don't want a V8 buy the new Stratus that will be out.

Or they can wait a year or two and buy a slightly used one.

That is what I hated the most about the Mustangs when I owned them - crappy 4 cylinder ones out there pretending to be V8s. Many of them even put fake badges and tailpipes on.

I can't afford an E55 and I would not buy a 6 cyl look alike to say I had one either. I can accept there are more things in this world that I can't afford than what I can afford. This is only my 3rd new car in my life (not counting cars I got for my wife or father). It has been 11 years since my last new car. Like everyone, I make sacrifices. I drove my Imp to 230,000 miles to save money. I drove my 5 liter to 188,000. I will drive this car until at least 250,000 miles.

We all make choices.

No offense, but you're just being ignorant. A. If they were going to start building Challengers tomorrow they couldn't build them at Brampton because there's not enough excess capacity as it stands.

B. Do you know why the Mustang still exists and the Camaro does not? Because Ford sells more V6es. Roughly 2/3rds of all Mustangs are powered by a V6 (at least that was the case before '05, the ratio might be different on the new ones, but will quickly reestablish itself). If they offer only V8 Challengers they'll only sell about 30-40k and have to charge probably $35k minimum. If you offer a cheap V6 you will sell far more, maybe 80-100k, and will be able to sell them at a much lower price.

THey should be able to offer a V6 Challenger for about $20k, the same price as a V6 Mustang. Since a Charger SE is only $23k, that is very realistic.

So, in summary, if a V6 Challenger is offered at a cheap price, the car will be a success. If the Challenger is V8 only it will be a failure. Period. Even if every Mopar enthusiast in the world bought one, it would not be enough sales to be profitable.

EDIT: It must have been a long time ago that you owned Mustangs, because they haven't built a 4-banger since '93. And the V6 (of which I have owned 3, an '84, '95, and '00) has performance potential as well. Many are in the 10s.

[MCaesar]

Look in the mirror before you call someone ignorant. The Mustang would have been out of business if it didn't have a powerful V8. The V8 gets them in and the V6 moves models. But where you are really ignorant is that the Mustang is a stand alone model and must sell V6 models to make the line profitable. The Challenger does not have such restrictions since the sedans will be volume cars to pay for tooling. Most of the early reports say they are only looking to sell about 1/4 to 1/3 as many cars as the Mustang so unless they add another factory they would not waste production on less profitable V6 models if they are already maxxed out with V8 production.

I have owned Mustangs for 3 decades. I could care less what you could make a V6 or even the old turbo 4 do - it is still a crap engine. It is like the people bragging about how fast their Evo or STI is - I could care less they are still ugly.

Ignorance know thyself

[HEMI x 2]

The old Mustang was built on the fox platform which was around for almost 20 years. the current Mustang is loosely based on the same platform as the T-Bird, LS and S-type. If it did not share a platform it would have gone the way of GM's F-Body. There would have not been a a business case for just building V8s. If there was not the potential of V6 sales it would have never happened.

[Dilliam]

Look in the mirror before you call someone ignorant. The Mustang would have been out of business if it didn't have a powerful V8. The V8 gets them in and the V6 moves models. But where you are really ignorant is that the Mustang is a stand alone model and must sell V6 models to make the line profitable. The Challenger does not have such restrictions since the sedans will be volume cars to pay for tooling. Most of the early reports say they are only looking to sell about 1/4 to 1/3 as many cars as the Mustang so unless they add another factory they would not waste production on less profitable V6 models if they are already maxxed out with V8 production.

I have owned Mustangs for 3 decades. I could care less what you could make a V6 or even the old turbo 4 do - it is still a crap engine. It is like the people bragging about how fast their Evo or STI is - I could care less they are still ugly.

Ignorance know thyself

You seem to be forgetting to mention that the Mustang would also be out of business if it had not had a four banger at one time. Remember the gas shortage and the Mustang II? It goes both ways. I see a whole lot more V6 models than I do GT models.

[VIDEOBOB]

If you want a cheap V8 - get an 82 Camero. About $500.00.
I don't want them to build a "cheap LX", it would cheapen the brand.
I like the fact that people looks at my car and they KNOW it is expensive.

When people ask me how much my car was I just tell them $40,000.00
A tricked out R/T, with some add ons, financing and tax will set you back
that far pretty quick.
I like the fact I drive an expensive car - I feel like I accomplished something.
It's totally a better-than-you attitude. I admit it.
Even guys with much more expensive cars, I justify the next thought level
when I think, "OK, your car costs more, but I know I am faster than you!".

There is something to be said about a car that commands respect.

[boggart]

I don't want them to build a "cheap LX", it would cheapen the brand.

Then what does them building a less expensive Challenger have to do with your views? Not an LX.

There is something to be said about a car that commands respect.

Even if the driver doesn't.

[VIDEOBOB]

Oh, well if that is the discussion then I goofed then.
I wasn't paying attention that this was a thread about the Challenger.
I'm on the LX FORUMS right? ...as in, a discussion forum about LX based cars?
This forum is growing too much and getting to diverse I think.
If it were up to me there would be separete 300/Magnum forums.

I think the Challenger will be a cool car, and it looks liek they plan to attack the Mustang market. I think they should have done this with the Charger too.

[boggart]

If it were up to me there would be separete 300/Magnum forums.

I would too. There used to be dodgemagnum.net, there is still 300cforum, and chargerforum, we magnum guys are the only ones without a dedicated forum.

Yeah, the Challenger is cool.

[Fred]

If you want a cheap V8 - get an 82 Camero. About $500.00.
I don't want them to build a "cheap LX", it would cheapen the brand.
I like the fact that people looks at my car and they KNOW it is expensive.

When people ask me how much my car was I just tell them $40,000.00
A tricked out R/T, with some add ons, financing and tax will set you back
that far pretty quick.
I like the fact I drive an expensive car - I feel like I accomplished something.
It's totally a better-than-you attitude. I admit it.
Even guys with much more expensive cars, I justify the next thought level
when I think, "OK, your car costs more, but I know I am faster than you!".

There is something to be said about a car that commands respect.

Bob, I hate to say it but they DO make a cheap LX, it's called the SE trim level. Don't get me wrong though, even though it's the "bottom level" the entire LX range is miles ahead of even the top of the line of many manufacturer's flagship models here.
"cheap" is relative to the person using the word. Heck, I'd say the RT and the SRT are both "cheap AND economical" considering the features, power, comfort and ride quality that you can get out of them.

Now for those that have their doubts, here's the definition of the word to it's meaning.
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you see the word itself has many different meanings. Yes my RT was cheap in that it was comparatively inexpensive. Let's see to have 340 HP, AWD, room for 5 ADULTS, navigation, that leaves us what, Acura RL? at $50k+, cadillac SRX-V $75 or 80 and up? Lexus no such animal!

[VIDEOBOB]

I have never actually seen a SE model, not on a lot, not anywhere.
Even still, compared to your average econo-car these are all expensive cars.
The average dude drives a $15K vehicle, rather is it's a base model pick up
or a mid size or compact s-box. (Hyundai, Honda, Kia, etc)
My last four daily cars have been Ford Taurus wagons.
Not very expensive cars.
You are not likely to find any toys at the store made up of a Ford Taurus.
However I did get a wicked MAGNUM model at Toys-R-Us the other day.

A friend of mine saw it and said,
"You know you have a bad ass car when they are making toys of it".

That's my point.

[OneBadChally]

No offense, but you're just being ignorant. A. If they were going to start building Challengers tomorrow they couldn't build them at Brampton because there's not enough excess capacity as it stands.

B. Do you know why the Mustang still exists and the Camaro does not? Because Ford sells more V6es. Roughly 2/3rds of all Mustangs are powered by a V6 (at least that was the case before '05, the ratio might be different on the new ones, but will quickly reestablish itself). If they offer only V8 Challengers they'll only sell about 30-40k and have to charge probably $35k minimum. If you offer a cheap V6 you will sell far more, maybe 80-100k, and will be able to sell them at a much lower price.

THey should be able to offer a V6 Challenger for about $20k, the same price as a V6 Mustang. Since a Charger SE is only $23k, that is very realistic.

So, in summary, if a V6 Challenger is offered at a cheap price, the car will be a success. If the Challenger is V8 only it will be a failure. Period. Even if every Mopar enthusiast in the world bought one, it would not be enough sales to be profitable.

EDIT: It must have been a long time ago that you owned Mustangs, because they haven't built a 4-banger since '93. And the V6 (of which I have owned 3, an '84, '95, and '00) has performance potential as well. Many are in the 10s.

In retrospect of reading this tread & post (Date now: 10.23.08, almost 3 yrs later), rest assured Chrysler did the right thing all the way around. Here it is almost 3 yrs later and I think Chrysler is out to please everyone with the right packaging of the Challenger. Also, as far as where they are being built. Yes, they are being built at Brampton, Canada, the facility is big enough. The Challenger is now here, a dream come true. So what are you waiting for, go out and yours today... :thumbs_u::racing::not_worth

[bigsnake]

Before it becomes a Challamaro !:sad:

[ZeGuru]

Holy smokes, where did this thread come from?!?
http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/32305/2002543256904955045_rs.jpg

[OneBadChally]

Before it becomes a Challamaro !:sad:

Who knows with this possible take over or merger. One day you might look under the hood of a Challenger and find a LS6 Chevy motor...lol :Na_Na_Na_Na:

[OneBadChally]

Holy smokes, where did this thread come from?!?
http://aycu26.webshots.com/image/32305/2002543256904955045_rs.jpg

From way back when the forum first started...lol:kinglock:

[RT NOMAD]

I ordered the closest I could to a "bare bones" manual transmission Challenger with a V8. Still, there are many amenities that were included that weren't even available at any price on the original Road Runner.

I would like to see if they could resurrect a modern "bare bones" Road Runner.
But I don't believe that today's soft youth could man-up enough to stand the "4 rolled down - 60mph" AC units and AM radios of the old Road Runners. At least not enough to sell more than 5 or 6 units.

[OneBadChally]

I ordered the closest I could to a "bare bones" manual transmission Challenger with a V8. Still, there are many amenities that were included that weren't even available at any price on the original Road Runner.

I would like to see if they could resurrect a modern "bare bones" Road Runner.
But I don't believe that today's soft youth could man-up enough to stand the "4 rolled down - 60mph" AC units and AM radios of the old Road Runners. At least not enough to sell more than 5 or 6 units.

Oh Terry, It's hard to break those Old School habits. I with you all the way on that...lol:racing:

[SchenPhotography]

This thread was painful to read in a way...

but none the less, V6's is what sells the model. If there never were V6 LX's more or less I would have spent the better part of my life waiting another few years to get an R/T and I probably would have ended up in a Charger.

Not that there's anything wrong but I was dead set on a buying a Magnum and there have been times I've stepped foot in 4-5 SRT's in one day, then got into my car, put my foot to the floor and wonder why it's so slow but I'm happy with my SXT. At least I can put alot more enthusiasm and passion into working on this car than that old Ford Escort I had. Don't forget the 300 is luxury and comfort, the Charger is style and performance, and the Magnum was performance with function. The Challenger is pure performance.

The key problem to all of this and I'd say for the most part alot of consumers, was the thought of a V6. It stayed as part of the LX line but you kinda wanna think back six months ago at the auto shows, trying not to cringe, and say "well perhaps it was a bad idea" The Magnum was targeted towards the soccer moms and that failed, it ended up being a R/T and a SRT as well but the Challenger doesn't work that way. The person to buy a Challenger is a true muscle junkie that loves the way the car is built, the way it looks, the sound, and the performance. Yes the V6 sells, but I can't see how many there going to sell to the average consumer. From the average everyday, - don't-know-a-thing-about-cars-consumer, it's styling>power for the Challenger.

This day and age a V6 with 4-doors are going to sell alot more than a V6 with 2-doors. Even though the Mustang isn't as aggressive, it can be a V6 2-doors, it's just higher up on the icon pyramid and they sell, which makes them cheap.

--RS

[OneBadChally]

This thread was painful to read in a way...

but none the less, V6's is what sells the model. If there never were V6 LX's more or less I would have spent the better part of my life waiting another few years to get an R/T and I probably would have ended up in a Charger.

Not that there's anything wrong but I was dead set on a buying a Magnum and there have been times I've stepped foot in 4-5 SRT's in one day, then got into my car, put my foot to the floor and wonder why it's so slow but I'm happy with my SXT. At least I can put alot more enthusiasm and passion into working on this car than that old Ford Escort I had. Don't forget the 300 is luxury and comfort, the Charger is style and performance, and the Magnum was performance with function. The Challenger is pure performance.

The key problem to all of this and I'd say for the most part alot of consumers, was the thought of a V6. It stayed as part of the LX line but you kinda wanna think back six months ago at the auto shows, trying not to cringe, and say "well perhaps it was a bad idea" The Magnum was targeted towards the soccer moms and that failed, it ended up being a R/T and a SRT as well but the Challenger doesn't work that way. The person to buy a Challenger is a true muscle junkie that loves the way the car is built, the way it looks, the sound, and the performance. Yes the V6 sells, but I can't see how many there going to sell to the average consumer. From the average everyday, - don't-know-a-thing-about-cars-consumer, it's styling>power for the Challenger.

This day and age a V6 with 4-doors are going to sell alot more than a V6 with 2-doors. Even though the Mustang isn't as aggressive, it can be a V6 2-doors, it's just higher up on the icon pyramid and they sell, which makes them cheap.

--RS

You show a good point there about V6 cars, only time will tell on how well the v6 Chally will do...:doh:

[spedly]

I wish they would build a stripped down v8 car at some point. Its not that I don't have the money ; I could easily buy an srt if I wanted, but I just don't want all that fancy heavy junk. I would buy a drag pack car but they are not street legal.

[kevin2323]

buy an SE which weights300lbs less than the rt and srt8...and swap in w.e you want for about the same price as an srt8 but faster than a srt8.