No Excess Capacity at Brampton

[TriShield]

I heard about this through the grapevine.

One of the biggest hurdles in the way of Challenger production is that the Brampton plant is at capacity building the existing LXs. That means Chrysler will have to pick and tool another plant for the job.

[FStephenMasek]

I have been thinking from just after the start of production that they will need another plant. Which one?

[Fred]

awesome DCX's plants at full capacity and GM plants getting shut down due to not enough demand for their production.

[Teahead]

How about a plan in the good ole USA?

Nope. DCX will pick a locatioin (country) that has nationally-provided health insurance.

[TriShield]

Wherever they choose to build it would probably have an effect on how it will be priced as well as projected volume. A V6 model might make the entire line more affordable. Hopefully Chrysler can work all of this out before GM releases the next Camaro.

[FOHN_JARGO]

awesome DCX's plants at full capacity and GM plants getting shut down due to not enough demand for their production.

Ford just announced layoffs and plant closeings as well. I feel bad for the workers getting laid off but maybe they can get jobs with DCX.

[RocketJock]

I bet they could buy a plant or two cheap from GM here pretty quick!

[thewagon]

they can always build the Challenger's in China or Mexico. Then everyone could afford them.




j/k

[Northern Rider]

How about a plan in the good ole USA?

Nope. DCX will pick a locatioin (country) that has nationally-provided health insurance.

That's not a selling point in Canada.

Our health care system is in chaos and shambles.

[jhs914]

That's not a selling point in Canada.

Our health care system is in chaos and shambles.

Tell that to Hillary Clinton. She wants a similar system in the U.S.

I think the point is still valid, however. The CEO of GM has said he is running a health care and retirement system, not a car company. One reason the Japanese have a competive advantage on new car prices is that the manufacturers do not have to pay for workers health insurance, the Japanese government does. The Japanese plants in the U.S. have different UAW contracts than the old line U.S. manufacturers and they have not been around as long, so they do not have nearly as many retirees drawing pensions and free health care.

The airlines are going through something similar. Twenty years ago or so some Eastern Airline pilots were making over $100,000 a year (that was when $100,000 was not a common wage). Now airline pilots are having to make wage concessions so they can keep flying.

Anyway, back to the topic of this thread. I think DC could get a decent concession from UAW to reopen some of the closed GM and Ford plants. Those laid off workers should be happy to get back to making cars, especially ones that don't need to sold with huge incentives because they are in such demand.

[Inferno Red]

That's not a selling point in Canada.

Our health care system is in chaos and shambles.

That's not what Paul Martin says! :smile:

[kb9mzx]

I heard about this through the grapevine.

One of the biggest hurdles in the way of Challenger production is that the Brampton plant is at capacity building the existing LXs. That means Chrysler will have to pick and tool another plant for the job.

When they're refitting Belvidere Assembly (right now) and Sterling Heights Assembly (soon), Chrysler group is installing similar flexible-assembly systems to that in Brampton, officially to allow each to assemble the other's product. It may be a stretch, but theoretically either of them could assemble LX's/LY's, if it came to it.

[Mikeyjohn]

How about a plan in the good ole USA?

Nope. DCX will pick a locatioin (country) that has nationally-provided health insurance.

So what's your point?!?!?

[Dilliam]

When they're refitting Belvidere Assembly (right now) and Sterling Heights Assembly (soon), Chrysler group is installing similar flexible-assembly systems to that in Brampton, officially to allow each to assemble the other's product. It may be a stretch, but theoretically either of them could assemble LX's/LY's, if it came to it.

Is that Sterling Heights as in Sterling Heights Michigan? A lot of manufacturers have been getting out of that area lately, speaking from experience.

[beefheart]

They'll use Delaware if necessary. They stated that awhile back. They built some Intrepids there in the mid 90's. My 1995 Intrepid was built in Delawre. All the other LH cars I've owned (and still own) were built in Canada. I think they currently build Durango's in Delaware.

[HEMI x 2]

They'll use Delaware if necessary. They stated that awhile back. They built some Intrepids there in the mid 90's. My 1995 Intrepid was built in Delawre. All the other LH cars I've owned (and still own) were built in Canada. I think they currently build Durango's in Delaware.

I doubt that will happen. Newark is set up to build trucks and they are adding the new Aspen to the line next year and there is talk of another version of the of the HB platform being built there. Possibly a Mitsubishi version of the Durango or a Dodge similar to Ford's Explorer Sport Trac.

[Dutch]

I think the point is still valid, however. The CEO of GM has said he is running a health care and retirement system, not a car company. One reason the Japanese have a competive advantage on new car prices is that the manufacturers do not have to pay for workers health insurance, the Japanese government does. The Japanese plants in the U.S. have different UAW contracts than the old line U.S. manufacturers and they have not been around as long, so they do not have nearly as many retirees drawing pensions and free health care.

THis is true and it's a very important point, but GM also pays far less in taxes than the Japanese makers. If GM built cars people wanted, the health care and pension costs wouldn't be a problem.

[MCaesar]

THis is true and it's a very important point, but GM also pays far less in taxes than the Japanese makers. If GM built cars people wanted, the health care and pension costs wouldn't be a problem.

BINGO

[Red5]

DCX's analysts are not stupid, they know that the demand for LX and LY cars has not yet hit the ceiling. As long as there is ever-increasing demand, DCX will find a way to build more LXs. This is not the Chrysler of old, this is a smart purpose-driven automaker that has proven that it has both the knowledge to build desirable cars and the ability to sell them. I would bet a fair amount that DCX has known for a while that they will need to tool up another plant to make LXs and has a plan in place.

[sirtate]

and the canadian health care system is NOT free, ask anyone who happens to have a gross payroll in excess of $400k, and you'll hear a bunch of moaning and groaning about payroll health-tax burden, i'd much rather pay ONE private supplier for health care benefits, dental, prescription meds, worker's comp. and travel insurance, instead of a mish mash of gov't and private providers, AND it would be cheaper too.

but we in canada get the government we deserve...

(a wise man once said; a government that can afford to provide you with cradle to grave benefits must tax all you own and make to do it)

[createdbyone]

:rock: i say cancal magnum production and start on the challenger, i have no problem with my baby becomeing an INSTANT collectors item/classic!!!!

[sorbs@mac.com]

I heard about this through the grapevine.

One of the biggest hurdles in the way of Challenger production is that the Brampton plant is at capacity building the existing LXs. That means Chrysler will have to pick and tool another plant for the job.
Since it is going to be based on the new LY platform they can move it or start a new line. Since the Dodge boys have engineering control it may stay in the US.

[Jeep]

I heard about this through the grapevine.

One of the biggest hurdles in the way of Challenger production is that the Brampton plant is at capacity building the existing LXs. That means Chrysler will have to pick and tool another plant for the job.

I don't know about the capcaity but we are working three 8hr shifts a days 6 days aweeks.

[da BoMM]

Stupid question -- where is the JEEP GC SRT8 made? I know it's not Brampton. Part 2: what's their capacity?

[shiltz]

I'm sure it's built in the same plant as the rest of the grand cherokee's, doesn't matter though since even if they had the capacity they can't do the challenger there since the challenger is an LX based car, the grand cherokee SRT-8 is completely different, the only thing it shares with the challenger is the engine.

[WindsorDodge]

won't be built in brampton or detroit...

i bet st.louis...

[georgejetson]

The latest word is that St. Louis South will be doing some LX/LY production.

[Hemi Chef]

I heard about this through the grapevine.

One of the biggest hurdles in the way of Challenger production is that the Brampton plant is at capacity building the existing LXs. That means Chrysler will have to pick and tool another plant for the job.
while we are pumping quite a few cars on a daily basis the limited number of challengers they plan on making should not make that big of a deal

[MikesMag]

The last time I was at the stealership, they said the first 1000 was going to be built at the Viper plant.
I don't know where they are made, but who know's.
We all know how much the dealers know.

[lxguru]

:Na_Na_Na_Na:He dont know jack

The last time I was at the stealership, they said the first 1000 was going to be built at the Viper plant.
I don't know where they are made, but who know's.
We all know how much the dealers know.

[vinny68]

I remember reading somewhere (these forums probably) that the plan was to scale back Magnum production to make capacity for the Challenger.

[Jason_B]

I admit I find this hard to belive, there are sooo many 2006 models sitting here in the lots its not funny, we must have 25 300's alone.

They are not selling, they built way way way to many of them, they are offering up to 7k off in some places, its insane, and thats just new, as for used, I can walk in and pick up a used v6 se charger for about 10k...

They are overproducing, and nobody is buying.

[Joeyjrfl]

Who realy cares where they build the Challenger as long as they build it and you know they will and does it realy matter ? DCX knows what there doing and what we think wont make a differance :blah:

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Some Trivia: When we toured the factory, we saw a lot of references to the original name of the Magnum. Anyone know what it was?




















































The AllSport.

[steve austin]

I heard about this through the grapevine.

One of the biggest hurdles in the way of Challenger production is that the Brampton plant is at capacity building the existing LXs. That means Chrysler will have to pick and tool another plant for the job.

The challenger is scheduled for production in Brampton. The capacity is no longer a problem the plant is getting ready to layoff the third shift.

Steve Austin

[pcoxe]

Maybe sales are down because potential buyers are waiting for the Challenger to go into production? I know i'm going to wait it out!
Patrick

[MAGNUM8R]

I can tell you they ARE building it!!
Just got an order to build the tooling for the Plastic Fuel Door Cup for the alloy door option today.
Heheheh, I'm making a Challenger part!!:banana:

[PowerWagon896]

they can always build the Challenger's in China or Mexico. Then everyone could afford them.




j/k

Labor cost is 10% of the cost of the vehicle, dealer mark-up is 15-18%. Rest assured that any labor savings will be squandered in executive perks & such.

[BlazeHemi]

Have they announced or does anybody know when production of the Challenger is set to begin?

Greg

[kevdupuis]

I can tell you they ARE building it!!
Just got an order to build the tooling for the Plastic Fuel Door Cup for the alloy door option today.
Heheheh, I'm making a Challenger part!!:banana:

And we have the side marker contract.:rock: