Basic Starscan Navigation

[MagnumFreak]

I am going to cover some of the basic screens that are available on the starscan. When you first connect to the car the computer grabs some basic information from the pcm. Your VIN number, engine size and year are displayed at the top of the main screen (seen below) and at the top of most other displays.

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At the top of the screen you will see that I have a 2005 LX I have the 5.7L engine and my vin is listed also. Towards the right of the screen you see a number 6.03. That is the current version of software the starscan is running. The four buttons right underneath that are status indicators for the starscan. The leftmost button is the battery strength for the starscan, next to that is a signal strength indication if you are using the wireless feature which I don't, next to that is a network connected indication in case you connect the unit to the dealer network, and the one to the right of that is an indication that the unit is connected to a car. There are 6 buttons in the middle of the screen (the screen is a touch screen). We just need to decide where we want to go. We will hit the ECU View button first here is the screen that you get (note: the list will vary depending on the vehicle it is attached to due to varying configurations):

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Here you will see a list of all of the different modules attached to this car. The collumn next to the module list indicates whether the unit is currently active. The next column indicates whether there are any active or stored DTC (diagnostic trouble code) and the final column indicates which can bus it is communicating on. To select a particular module, all you need to do is touch the screen and in a moment a new view will appear:

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At the top of the screen you can see I have selected the PCM. In the main screen area you will see the hardware version, software version, part number and country code. There are several other buttons to choose here. We will select the data display button:

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This is just one screen showing a small portion of the data flowing through this module. On the left you can see a scroll bar which allows you to move through all of the data. If we hit the back button (top left of the screen) then select More options we will get this screen:

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This gives us several other options of things we can do with this particular module. Which buttons are active depends on the module we are looking at. We will cover these functions in more detail in another post.

That is the basic starscan movement information.

[MAGNUM8R]

Prett neat stuff! Have you flashed your Mag to the latest update, and were there any noticeable changes in performance??
The Dealer will see mine soon for spark plug replacement due at 30K, I now have 33K. I am wondering if I should ask for he updated version, mine was built in June '04.

[redinorange]

Freak, this is an incredible project you have undertaken. I think you should place this in the Knowledge Base and add to it from there. I predict this will be a major mile stone of this forum...

[MagnumFreak]

It is in the knowledgebase Redinorange. :)


I have done one flash upgrade to the FCM. The software said that I didn't have any upgrades that were needed but the FCM software was a new version so I forced it to send it anyway. I have not done any flashes to the PCM to see if there were any performance changes.

That is probably what you will run into at the dealer magnum8r. They will check your vin and if the computer says there are no updates they will not flash them. I do know that the software showed about 10 new files when I searched by model year and engine size but showed none when I searched by vin.

[PaCharger]

glad you guys have gotten this far. Be interesting to see if any peformance enhancments can be made, or if it will more on the order of flashing DRL's and such.

Thanks for the info Magnum...i keep coming back to follow up on where you are with this....looks like signifcant progress.

[Displaced Hokie]

Freak,
I'd blur that VIN before someone at DCX decides to flag your warranty...

[done]

Freak,
I'd blur that VIN before someone at DCX decides to flag your warranty...

That is an urban legend. :roll:

[fnkychkn]

Freak,
I'd blur that VIN before someone at DCX decides to flag your warranty...
might not flag your warranty but someone with the right access could get your address and key codes.

[Rev.Hammer]

This is like being the primate staring up at the black monolith, knowing at your deepest core...that some fantastic is about to happen!!


Keep it going MagnumFreak!!

[MagnumFreak]

Freak,
I'd blur that VIN before someone at DCX decides to flag your warranty...

Not sure about voiding the warranty but Fnky may be right about someone getting my personal info. I am at work right now so I can't get to my photoshop but I will work on it in the morning. Hadn't really thought too much about the vin being in the display. Thanks to everyone for the headsup.

[glhs837]

But fnky, even with that, hed need a Starscan to teach the car the new key to the car.......... OH, CRAP!!!!!!! There IS a STARSCAN right there!!!!!!!!! I've spen two years teaching the world that you cant steal a SKIM equipped car without the tool to teach the key, or both factory keys.

Of course, I assume the Starscan still requires the vehicles PIN, right?

[fnkychkn]

But fnky, even with that, hed need a Starscan to teach the car the new key to the car.......... OH, CRAP!!!!!!! There IS a STARSCAN right there!!!!!!!!! I've spen two years teaching the world that you cant steal a SKIM equipped car without the tool to teach the key, or both factory keys.

Of course, I assume the Starscan still requires the vehicles PIN, right?
correct, mr bond. although, if this evil doer has access to key and skim codes, he most likely has access to a starscan.

[Todd RT]

Hey Magnumfreak, been meaning to ask you. (maybe I coulda started a new thread, but probably not needed).

I haven't been able to verify it, but apparently the Magnum with the premium audio has the same amp as in the 300c. Point is, another member found that there is a sub-output on the amp itself, but that it might need to be turned on or activated with a Starscan.

Any interesting audio controls in that thing?

[MagnumFreak]

Hey Magnumfreak, been meaning to ask you. (maybe I coulda started a new thread, but probably not needed).

I haven't been able to verify it, but apparently the Magnum with the premium audio has the same amp as in the 300c. Point is, another member found that there is a sub-output on the amp itself, but that it might need to be turned on or activated with a Starscan.

Any interesting audio controls in that thing?

I am stuck at work right now but I will give it a look tonight when I get home. I will post here my findings.

[glhs837]

correct, mr bond. although, if this evil doer has access to key and skim codes, he most likely has access to a starscan.

True, but then we'd hope that DCX could backtrack the PIN request to a delaer, who most likely would find out who took one home. :) Gotta love multilayered defenses. :)

Thats why I always recommend one of the first things folks do, if they suspect the cars been driven off ,is to contact both their closest dealer and DCX, or at least have the cops do it. I dont think a lot of police understand the intricacies of the system. They think its like the Ford, just becuase both are TI RFID systems.

[fnkychkn]

True, but then we'd hope that DCX could backtrack the PIN request to a delaer, who most likely would find out who took one home. :) Gotta love multilayered defenses. :)

Thats why I always recommend one of the first things folks do, if they suspect the cars been driven off ,is to contact both their closest dealer and DCX, or at least have the cops do it. I dont think a lot of police understand the intricacies of the system. They think its like the Ford, just becuase both are TI RFID systems.
every request for key and SKIM codes is recorded. chrysler knows who's login was used. but somehow, i don't think that would prevent someone from hacking into the system.

[Fred]

Bump for this topic!

Hey Magnumfreak, been meaning to ask you. (maybe I coulda started a new thread, but probably not needed).

I haven't been able to verify it, but apparently the Magnum with the premium audio has the same amp as in the 300c. Point is, another member found that there is a sub-output on the amp itself, but that it might need to be turned on or activated with a Starscan.

Any interesting audio controls in that thing?

[Todd RT]

Bump for this topic!

Huh??

[351Freak]

nuther bump...

re:

Originally Posted by Todd RT
Hey Magnumfreak, been meaning to ask you. (maybe I coulda started a new thread, but probably not needed).

I haven't been able to verify it, but apparently the Magnum with the premium audio has the same amp as in the 300c. Point is, another member found that there is a sub-output on the amp itself, but that it might need to be turned on or activated with a Starscan.

Any interesting audio controls in that thing?

[Todd RT]

Would also like to know if those of us that DON'T own an 06 Charger can get this TSB update installed to fix the infamous "rear speaker fade out" problem:

10/21/05 … 2006 .. #08-056-05 …. Flash: Speaker Cutout At High Volume Or Bass Setting .. (R)

Dealer said it won't go on anything but an 06 Charger, but supposedly the amps are all the same!!

I've got my sub all ready to connect to the factory amp Too!!!

[fnkychkn]

just received and installed version 6.05 today. here are the LX revisions:

2004-2006 All NGC3 PCM – Fuel Rich/Fuel Lean Pre-Test UE 999 fixed when entering pre-test
2004-2006 All NGC3 PCM – EGR System Test variable selections 100-400 text added to display g/s units for
clarification
2004-2006 All NGC3 PCM – A/C items not displaying will now display appropriately in Actuators, Data Display, &
Freeze Frames
2004-2006 All NGC3 PCM – Actuators with a drop-down selection box displayed incorrect data now corrected
2004-2006 All NGC3 PCM – Freeze Frames 1-5 - corrected PCM Mileage since MIL On
2004-2006 All NGC3 PCM – Purge Vapors System Test user message added for possible DTCs being set at
end of the system test
All Vehicles – Vehicle VIN corrected to display last two digits that were previously cut off
2004-2006 All Vehicles EATX TCM – Shift Lever Position Test user message added for possible DTCs being
set at end of system test
2004-2006 All Vehicles EATX TCM – 1st, 2nd, & 3rd Gear Clutch Tests - user message added for negative
response $22 – Conditions Not corrects to perform test
2004-2006 All Vehicles EATX TCM – Present Gear/Target Gear fixed to display Neutral while shift lever position
is in Park/Neutral
2004-2006 All Vehicles EATX TCM – Conversion limits changed to 0 – 8000 RPM for Engine, Turbine, & Output
Speeds for data graphing purposes
2006 WK, XK and LX - The TIRM Module has been added to the network topologies
2006 LX - WCM - Update Pressure Thresholds - changed to allow user to select the appropriate tire pressure
values
2006 All - WCM - WCM Replaced - changed to not allow the transfer of a default secret key from the PCM based
on presence of P0603 DTC
2006 LX/LE - WCM - ELV Replaced - now functioning properly
2006 All - FCM/TIPM - Illuminated Entry Time - changed to only allow the selection of 30, 60, or 90 seconds
from a drop down menu
2004 – 2006 AMP - Text error fixed in Output Test
2006 Sunroof – Environmental data is now available
2006 Sunroof – Inhibit Monitors removed (Not functioning)
2006 Sunroof – Clear Inhibit Monitors removed for all 2006 vehicles

[MagnumFreak]

Already installed about a week ago. :mrgreen:

[fnkychkn]

Already installed about a week ago. :mrgreen:
i know it was released at least one week ago but we just received it today.:(

[MagnumFreak]

Did you guys have any issues updating with 6.04? The software did not want to copy it to the memory stick so I had to manually intervene. LOL! 6.05 didn't have this problem.

[RobAGD]

Hows things going MagnumFreak ?

-Robert

[fnkychkn]

Did you guys have any issues updating with 6.04? The software did not want to copy it to the memory stick so I had to manually intervene. LOL! 6.05 didn't have this problem.
no problems here. so far all updates went smooth.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Hope life is good for you Andy. Still planning for StarScan owner shares and sending it to meets?

[MagnumFreak]

Hows things going MagnumFreak ?

-Robert

Much better now Rob. Finally got things back on track. See my post in the Gas Tank section.

Thanks funky. Could have just been an error when making my cd. For whatever reason the software would not recognize the memory stick. Not a big deal for a hacker like me. LOL!

[MagnumFreak]

Hope life is good for you Andy. Still planning for StarScan owner shares and sending it to meets?

Even better. Planning on going to as many as possible. Nothing like having someone experienced in the use of the starscan to help people out, right?

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Excellent. You are the man. I plan to do that too as much as I can too. I look forward to seeing you soon.

Upcoming meets: Jan 28 in Richmond, VA, Early Feb No Va Dyno Day, March 12 in Chesapeake, VA

Hopefully you can make one of those.

[Scout 8541]

Where can I purchase a Starscan and how much is it?


Thanks,

Scout

[MagnumFreak]

Miller specialty tools and with shipping and tax will run you about $4,600

[GasGunR]

Ya think he picked his jaw up off the floor yet?

:)

You are certainly underappreciated!

Thanks!

Don

Miller specialty tools and with shipping and tax will run you about $4,600

[MagnumFreak]

LOL!! Freak like toys!!

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Do they sell the Star Mobile? Does buying one (either version) get you a login on Dealer Connect for updates?

[MagnumFreak]

Do they sell the Star Mobile? Does buying one (either version) get you a login on Dealer Connect for updates?

MAN!! I wish! They do sell a star mobile. All of my updates come via cd which is the same way they do it for star mobile. There is an anual subscription to get the updates. Not sure how much that is going to be. I will find out later this year. star mobile is about half the price of a starscan. http://miller.spx.com is the web site.

[fnkychkn]

star mobile is a data logger that can be used for pass through diagnostics and flashes. AFAIK, it cannot be used as a standalone for anything other than a data logger. diagnostics and flashes require the use of a computer.

[Scout 8541]

Thanks for the information MagnumFreak.


Scout

[European Magnum Maniac]

Hi all,
can Starscan kill or adjust the Speed limiter???
If yes ,how???

[fnkychkn]

Hi all,
can Starscan kill or adjust the Speed limiter???
If yes ,how???no, it cannot.

[Sleeper300]

I know all of you know the capabilities of the Star Scan but i'd like to know and possibly take the $5K plung and get one if it has what i truly need to justify the purchase, having the S/C SRT8 it's very nice to have a tool to navigate all the required sensor's when needed and learn how each of them are working and the volts or Msec's that they work at, i feel it may give me an insight to learning more about the how, what, when and why the vehicle does what does in closed loop and open loop, and then i can understand more of the 100+ Kpa operation and see if my closed loop oper ation is affecting the fuel enrichment and timing retard under boost. Don't know of any other tools specifically capable of seeing the inner workings of the Chrysler computer and this may be my Best option, and my best when coming up with another Piggy back or stand alone to run the boosted application. I still think spraying fuel through a dry intake manifold is wrong, yet i bought it anyways... Will a Star Scan be a useful tool in my application of a possible Stand Alone possibly running in Parallel?

What's the Star Scan capable of doing?

Can the Star Scan Reflash if so are there adapters required?

What would my total costs be?

How long a wait is there to recieve a unit?

Does anyone know if the dealer link is an option or do you have to be a employee of a dealer and how does it work if your not?

Can the Star Scan turn off sensors such as Rear O2's?

Does anyone know if the Crank Sensor wheel is a 60-2 or what type it is and number of teeth?

I'll just have to see if the investment is required, yet nothing else seems to come close...

thanks.

[MagnumFreak]

What's the Star Scan capable of doing?

Can the Star Scan Reflash if so are there adapters required?

What would my total costs be?

How long a wait is there to recieve a unit?

Does anyone know if the dealer link is an option or do you have to be a employee of a dealer and how does it work if your not?

Can the Star Scan turn off sensors such as Rear O2's?

Does anyone know if the Crank Sensor wheel is a 60-2 or what type it is and number of teeth?

I'll just have to see if the investment is required, yet nothing else seems to come close...

thanks.

1. Starscan is primarily a diagnostic tool. You can look at every sensor and actuator in the car. You can trend every sensor in the vehicle. You can run diagnostic tests.

2. Yes the starscan can reflash. That is one of its primary functions. No additional adaptors needed.

3. Mine cost about $4,700 including tax and shipping.

4. Took about a week to show up at the house.

5. Dealer link is not an option. You must be a dealer in order to connect to dealer connect. Updates are currently sent via cd. However, this may be coming to an end. It appears as though all future updates will only be available via dealer connect. Being a non-dealer this presents a big problem to me. Hopefully they will work something out for those who own starscans that are not dealers.

6. No it cannot turn off sensors for the most part. You can switch into a dyno mode which totally disables esp, bas and abs. That's a bunch of fun to play with. LOL!

7. Not sure on the crank sensor. Send fnkychkn a pm and he can help you.

Is it worth it?? For me it has been. It has given me the chance to help alot of people on this board. For the price, the unit is severely limited. Tire size selection is limited to a few choices. You cannot tune the vehicle for various upgrades such as supercharger or even performance exhaust. You can run diagnostic tests, reflash modules, trend data, view and reset DTC's and that is about it.

If chrysler decides to not send me flash updates via cd anymore then they have basically made the tool worth about 40% of what it costs.

[Sleeper300]

So if i can aquire a scan tool that is CAN compatible with OBD2 then that will sufice since the Star Scan isn't much more capable... Thanks a bunch for the insight..

[Dimon]

Dear friends, please be as kind as to give me the list of all options in the "Vehicle Preparation" menu so I can think them over and decide what to configure when I visit my dealer next time.

[Stefan Tapp]

Any answers to the question "I haven't been able to verify it, but apparently the Magnum with the premium audio has the same amp as in the 300c. Point is, another member found that there is a sub-output on the amp itself, but that it might need to be turned on or activated with a Starscan."?

I've been told that in my 300C (A BA6 setup), my amp is the same as the one in a BA7 system however I get nothing from the centre front or sub outputs when connecting the speakers.

Thanks.

Stef

[JonW]

Any answers to the question "I haven't been able to verify it, but apparently the Magnum with the premium audio has the same amp as in the 300c. Point is, another member found that there is a sub-output on the amp itself, but that it might need to be turned on or activated with a Starscan."?

I've been told that in my 300C (A BA6 setup), my amp is the same as the one in a BA7 system however I get nothing from the centre front or sub outputs when connecting the speakers.

Thanks.

Stef
There is nothing in the StarScan to turn those amp outputs on/off. If it is indeed the same amp used for both applications, my guess would be that the amp controls those outputs based on vehicle build info provided by the front control module (FCM). If that is true, it could be possible to get the dealer to update your build in the main DCX system and then reload your FCM from the StarScan.

It's also possible the AMP operations are controlled by what flash file they have loaded into them. In that case, it is conceivably possible that a BA7 flash file could be force loaded to the amp to overwrite the BA6 code.

In addition to enabling the additional outputs, the AMP would need to utilize different cross-over frequencies for the main speakers since it would be putting the bass output through a sub instead of through the main speakers themselves. That could all be handled in the AMP's software.

... just my thoughts and ramblings...:racing:

[Stefan Tapp]

Thanks for that Jon.

Stefan

[nonne-56]

Hi Over there.
It seems that you know everything about LX cars. I bought a 05 Magnum R/T from Florida and i live in Sweden so it would be nice for me if i could have kilometer and celcius in my display. I dont have the EVIC or buttons on my steering wheel. I read somewhere that with a StarScan it is possible to change the country code and then get what i want. The Chrysler dealer here did not know how to do.
It is worth mentioning that Chrysler dealers main business here are Fiat/Seat and that speaks for itself. Anybody knows about this. Is there a county code change parameter in the Star Scan and if there is, where to find it. It should be really nice to go back and educate them.
Thank's for this great forum, it helps us " foreigners " a lot.
Best regards
Bernt

[vyper883]

Here's an interesting question:
I have a 2007 300C SRT 8 that I just picked up. The car has the Staggered tire option( 255/45 R20 Rear- 245 /45 R20 front. I'm replacing the tires to the all season goodyear RSA which are 245's all around, as those eagle F1's are crap IMO. Do I need to have the dealer change the tire size parameters with the starscan? Smaller tire size means smaller aspect, and I don't want to rack up mileage that I hav'nt actually driven. Any info on this would be helpful. Thanks

EDIT:
According to a online tire size calculator, with the 245's, my speed will be 1.2% too fast. In other words when my speedo indicates 100km/h, actual speed will be 98.8km/h. I know that doesn't sound like much, but if for instance I were to have driven 30,000 km's actual, the odometer would indicate 36,000km's. that's the difference between You owing a dealer excess mileage at the end of a lease, or Them owing you! Any help here would be appreciated folks. To starscan, or Not to starscan......Thanks guys.

[fnkychkn]

Here's an interesting question:
I have a 2007 300C SRT 8 that I just picked up. The car has the Staggered tire option( 255/45 R20 Rear- 245 /45 R20 front. I'm replacing the tires to the all season goodyear RSA which are 245's all around, as those eagle F1's are crap IMO. Do I need to have the dealer change the tire size parameters with the starscan? Smaller tire size means smaller aspect, and I don't want to rack up mileage that I hav'nt actually driven. Any info on this would be helpful. Thanks

EDIT:
According to a online tire size calculator, with the 245's, my speed will be 1.2% too fast. In other words when my speedo indicates 100km/h, actual speed will be 98.8km/h. I know that doesn't sound like much, but if for instance I were to have driven 30,000 km's actual, the odometer would indicate 36,000km's. that's the difference between You owing a dealer excess mileage at the end of a lease, or Them owing you! Any help here would be appreciated folks. To starscan, or Not to starscan......Thanks guys.
at 1.2%, your displayed mileage would be 30,360.

[vyper883]

at 1.2%, your displayed mileage would be 30,360.

you're right-you beat me to it! I actually thought about it on my way home. instead of mutliplying by 0.012 I mutliplied by 1.2 forgetting that it was a percentage.

I guess that it's not even worth having it recalibrated. Thanks fncky.

[fuzzycali]

If they have a starscan availble they can change the country code easily by entering the fcmcgw module.the front control module.just choose change country code.it is also vehicle preparation tab on the main screen of wi-tech and starscan.good luck and enjoy ur maggie r/t is sweden.say hello to the twins for me.

[bronto]

I install steering wheel with audio controls on dodge charger 2007 it don't work
, can I enable that option from starscan

[fnkychkn]

I install steering wheel with audio controls on dodge charger 2007 it don't work
, can I enable that option from starscan
not without engineering software (in plant use), unless you can persuade chrysler to change your vehicle's config file.

[09ChallengerSRT8]

I install steering wheel with audio controls on dodge charger 2007 it don't work
, can I enable that option from starscan

I installed the steering wheel buttons on my wifes 09 Challenger SE they work fine. The instructions are on another Challenger website do a google search hopefully you will find it. I had it turned on at the dealer not sure if they used the a sales code (RDZ) or if they just used the starscan to turn them on. I now have my own starscan tool and have looked through the menu's and it looks like you just set it to on. But beings mine is already on I'm not sure if that will work. My buttons work even without EVIC it just goes through the mileage, trip and outside temp. I have a Challenger SRT and tested it with the SRT dash cluster and it went throught the pages with the exception of the performnce page. Good luck