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MagnumFreak
11-03-2005, 12:20 PM
In my research over the last few weeks I am come across some interesting information regarding the Starscan units. Such as what operating system it apparently uses (Linux). I have also located a company willing to sell me one along with all of the updates that Chrysler releases! So, here is the deal....

As you know if you have visited my somewhat sparse web site, what my goals are so understand this is not for me, it is to help others.

Before I make the substantial investment to acquire this tool, I really need to gauge everyones interest in "borrowing" this amazing tool. Some dealers are gouging people (not all dealers) regarding updates and any minor changes to the settings. Not to mention you don't usually get the chance to scroll through some of the data that is available.

There are a couple of options as to how someone could borrow the unit. First, a daily or weekly rental where the unit is mailed to you and you must return it within a certain timeframe. Not sure how much to charge for this. Let me know what you are willing to pay and I will determine if it is worth it based on the investment I will be making. Also, remember there is an annual commitment on my part to keep the update subscription running. Second option is one I like a bit better. Make it available during meets and greets. For most of them I would come out and help get you started and then let you work with the tool based on a hourly rate. This way it is a bit better controlled by me and I don't run as much of a risk in losing it.

What I also plan on doing is using the tool to help crack the can bus and develop a tool similar to the LS edit software available. So, when it is not being used in the field it will be used to develop a more permanent solution to everyone wanting to tune their cars on their own.

Sorry for the long post but I am super excited right now. If there is enough interest I could even have it by the time HAMMERFEST happens!

Rockadile
11-03-2005, 12:32 PM
How expensive are they? I would guess this would dictate the charges for rental. If it wasn't too costly, I am sure a lot here would rent it to tweak tire sizes, enable the wiper/auto headlight mode, etc.

BlkHemiMag
11-03-2005, 12:42 PM
The 2nd option assumes that a M&G is an option for someone who is interested in renting the unit for a couple hours. I might be able to make it, but someone on, say the west coast would probably like option 1.
Personally, if it meant not having to jerk around at the dealer a) making up or exagerating symptoms I read about in TSBs to get a flash update, b) wondering if the user even knows how the tool works, c) or wondering if they actually updated anything or just patronized me to get me out the door, .. I'd pay $50-100 bones to do this in the comfort of my garage for maybe 1-2 days at a whack.

MagnumFreak
11-03-2005, 12:47 PM
If enough people showed an interest on the west coast I would be willing to escort the unit to wherever.

Without giving away too much info, the unit is significantly more than a top of the line home PC. :shock:

I want to balance the time it is gone with the time I would like to have it for cracking the can-bus.

ZMagnum
11-03-2005, 12:51 PM
I like both ideas. Available at M&G events and then ship it out other times. I would be willing to pay $50. I'm under the impression that it's very easy to connect up and use. If not, then included instructions would be nice.

You should also add that this is a "use it at your own risk" device. If someone messes up their car with it, it would be on their dime to take their car into a dealership to have it fixed.

BlkHemiMag
11-03-2005, 12:55 PM
significantly more than a top of the line home PC. :shock:



I don't doubt it


escort the unit to wherever


I don't blame you. If I spent that kinda money on it, I probably wouldn't be too keen on losing sight of it.

MagnumFreak
11-03-2005, 01:05 PM
Yeah, absolutely. Use at your own risk.


What I would do is set up some step by step guidelines so if you want to change tire size you flip to that section and follow the steps.\

I am really curious as to what level of troubleshooting you can do. All the way down to fuel maps?? FnkyChkn any info??

noworries
11-03-2005, 01:08 PM
Very Exciting!

RobAGD
11-03-2005, 01:12 PM
A rental Fee of about $100 seems fair for a few days with it. That way someone can get a lot of there mods done, then rent the unit for the week then fedex it back.

M&G events drop to say $25-50 for an hour or maybe just make it a block rental for say 2 hours.

As I recall these things run some where 3-4k and I am sure the annual sub to updates would be a $500+ a year.

-R

Earcandy
11-03-2005, 01:33 PM
I checked on this a few months ago and then it was around 5 grand with the latest updates. I would be willing to pay $200-$300 for 3-4 day use.
I already stated on another post that if all the members gave $1.50-$2.00 each we could get one.
http://www.dcctools.com/en/starscan/index.html

http://miller.spx.com/data/StarSCAN%20AM%20Flyer.pdf

tonyt
11-03-2005, 01:44 PM
Oh the possibilities....

linuxkidd
11-03-2005, 01:54 PM
My interested isn't at having my own starscan... (er, not the $3k-$4k device.. ) I'm more interested in gettin ahold of the upgrade disc for it.. It runs linux. I've already had someone confirm that the software has been run on a linux PC with success. ( Lots of tweaking, but success none the less ). So, I'd have a starscan, but at a greatly reduced cost.. :)

This is all VERY interesting to me as well... Keep us posted..

timdebjake
11-03-2005, 01:56 PM
I just like the idea of you guys being able to confirm stuff the dealers have been saying/doing ie:DRL. Being up in Fairbanks doesnt give me much chance to use it, but helping Canhack is great and learning what to tell dealer.

ZMagnum
11-03-2005, 02:29 PM
I just watched the demo. That thing is amazing. Entry light delay time can be changed. Wow. Everyone should be able to make changes if they want. It's not right that these features and settings are in effect hidden from the owner.

Rev.Hammer
11-03-2005, 02:34 PM
I'm in!
100.00 for a weekend would so ROCK!

MattRobertson
11-03-2005, 03:56 PM
$100 for a single full day would be fine with me, especially if there is a 'quick-start' guide put together. Maybe a menu card like you get with an HP printer if you know the magic button combo to push. Shipping would be extra and fully insured.

Assuming a 10 lb 18x18x6 package (I would recommend buying a Pelican case for it and just shipping that) insured to $6000, the cost to do Fedex Priority Overnight is $109.80, Standard Overnight (delivery by 3pm) is $105.30. 2-day is $78.84 and 3-day is $63.12.

UPS is a little cheaper, especially for the overnight options.

As was mentioned I think both methods of getting the thing out there are good. I understand the desire not to let the thing out of your sight, though. But MnG's only severely limits the ability to distribute the tool. Plus, who wants to babysit it rather than enjoy the MnG? That will spoil somebody's day.

Can you imagine if one of those had been at the HB SoCal meet? With 100 LX owners present? It would have torn up the meet, I think, as people would be more interested in their spot in line to get their 30 minutes' of time rather than enjoying themselves.

How much trust is there with your West Coast moderator(s)? I know CV would be trustworthy with the thing, and if you let him have it for X days I bet he could rack up a decent income for you. Again, with a quick-start (pdf format) guide pre-available allowing us to decide exactly what we'll do once we get the thing in hand, we can shrink the time needed down quite a bit, I think.

There's the SRT Experience in mid-November over here. A couple of dozen owners there, me being one. If you could send the unit off to a trusted member and he could rent it out/eyeball the thing constantly that would be a good moneymaker.

Or consider having a joint ownership project where X number of trusted forum members go in on the thing and shuttle it around the country at intervals, taking personal responsibility for it and never letting it out of their sight during its stay with them.

SoCal_Magnum
11-03-2005, 03:58 PM
Why don't we put a contribution fund together and just buy one? I'm sure if everybody donated like 5 bucks it would be SUPER easy.

bipto
11-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Put me in the "IN" column too - this is a great idea, 'Freak! I too think a combo of both options you suggested would work best for all. I'm flexible where the "fee" is concerned. $100 sounds reasonable, but you should probably wait to set a price until you determine what it will take from all of the "IN" folks to cover your investment.

Rev.Hammer
11-03-2005, 05:06 PM
I have a set of S&W supermax handcuffs that I can contribute so that with one manacle on the case it would be nearly impossible to lose!

MattRobertson
11-03-2005, 05:21 PM
I have a set of S&W supermax handcuffs that I can contribute so that with one manacle on the case it would be nearly impossible to lose!I have some other stuff made by S&W that can help when we find the guys that sawed it off your wrist :D

Meister
11-03-2005, 06:02 PM
Why don't we put a contribution fund together and just buy one? I'm sure if everybody donated like 5 bucks it would be SUPER easy.
I'm in for whatever it takes to get one available to users, with appropriate caveats such as those proposed by Matt & others.

However, comma, I'm for it ONLY if it remains under the overall control of, and with all proceeds going to, Freak, who came up with the idea months ago and who will use ALL profits for a truly worthwhile charity.

Rev.Hammer
11-03-2005, 06:15 PM
I have some other stuff made by S&W that can help when we find the guys that sawed it off your wrist :D

You might want to find the other guy first because him and his friend are gonna in worse shape than me!:itchy-scr

cdn2usa
11-03-2005, 06:18 PM
I would also be willing to rent to unit at what ever becomes the fair price. But I have question which needs the all knowing Funky Chicken's input. I thought (from previous posts) that for the StarScan to be truly useful it had to be on-line with DC.

Meister
11-03-2005, 06:52 PM
Not unless they've got an internal wireless NIC. The 3 that I've worked with all were free-standing portables.

I suspect the reference you saw was most likely addressing the need to be frequently updated with the latest DC database to remain current.

MagnumFreak
11-03-2005, 07:14 PM
According to the tech support person I talked with earlier today, the updates are sent via cd or dvd, I don't know how fast or how often they are sent.


Shipping insurance is high. I am going to check with my local insurance agent to see what sort of coverage I can buy that will cover lost in shipment. Not even sure they can do that.

A hundred bucks to ship is crazy. That means if you rent it for lets say 70 bucks a day, add in 200 bucks for shipping. YEIIIKES!!

I am going to make a few phone calls Friday and if everything is good to go, I will go ahead and make the purchase Friday afternoon. Once I get it here, I will be better able to tell how difficult it is to use. I am pretty sure it will be easy. I may just make some online guides and pdf files to help with the process of using it.

Hopefully it will be here before Hammerfest.

MattRobertson
11-03-2005, 07:33 PM
I've been told by my service manager on one occasion (A/C TSB) that they couldn't flash my system because their computer was offline. I had presumed this prevented them from dialing or VPN'ing up to get the flash module (or whatever) they needed, but it might have been they needed a PC with a CD drive, which in turn downloads the goods.

I guess we'll find out, eh?

The shipping costs I talked about were all for overnight rates, and they were from Fresno CA to Hackensack NJ. GA to NJ would be cheaper. Dunno how much. A Pelican case would easily add a few pounds but it would protect the bejesus out of the thing at all times, including when its getting carried around. May be overkill?

If you go with ground rates you knock the rate WAY down. Wouldn't bet on getting insurance for something out of your "care, custody and control" but who knows...

BTW you are my hero for doing this :-)

Earcandy
11-03-2005, 07:53 PM
Have you tried DHL?
Just a thought

Bo
11-03-2005, 07:55 PM
Having access to a StarScan may or may not be such a big deal.

In my experience, in order to actually put this tool to use, you MUST have access to Dealer Connect. This will require a login and password. The StarScan reads your vehicle's VIN, and with a connection, can check to see if updates are available for your particular VIN or not. At my dealer, they may update the software in the unit with a DVD or CD (I don't actually know), but they ALWAYS have it hooked to Dealer Connect when they check for flash updates.
Of course, you can do things like change tire sizes (within the limited parameters the StarScan will allow), add modules to the CAN, etc.... without being connected to Dealer Connect, but there is not really a lot of useful things to do with StarScan otherwise..... unless you want to check or clear codes, or test functions of something like a window switch.
I honestly think most people here would be disappointed with the functionality of the StarScan without a connection to dealer connect...... unless your car is having problems that are not covered by a warranty.

I'm not trying to steer everyone away from this, but it seems like a lot of money to invest for what you can get at your dealership with a friendly attitude and a six pack (it works in Houston anyway!)

--Bo

MagnumFreak
11-03-2005, 08:09 PM
I am kind of waiting for fnkychkn to chime in to see if it is worth it. I will also contact the tech support department again tomorrow and see what they have to say. I wonder if the cd's/dvd's have the software and flash upgrades and you have to connect with it to see if you are able to upload new software.

cdn2usa
11-03-2005, 08:16 PM
I think we need to set-up some kind of FNKYCHKN bat phone kind of thing.

FNKYCHKN WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!! LOL

MattRobertson
11-03-2005, 08:28 PM
Have you tried DHL?
Just a thoughtGood call. We use them here thru the Costco group buy and knocked our overnight bill in half.

Same package size and insurance: Next day morning, noon or night is the same: $116.55. Ouch. 2nd day is $81.07. Ground (the next step down) is $50.59. UPS Ground is $36.16. UPS 3-day is $54.83.

Forgot about the Dealer Connect thing. I think thats what they meant when they told me that one time that they couldn't do my A/C TSB flash.

DriveATransam
11-03-2005, 08:40 PM
what options do you even have with DC? 100+ bones to change tire size? seems a bit expensive for me. i dont know how many options you can change, but nothing has bothered me enough to shell out that kinda cash to fix it.

dont mean to sound like an ass, dont flame me :)

Earcandy
11-03-2005, 10:48 PM
what options do you even have with DC? 100+ bones to change tire size? seems a bit expensive for me. i dont know how many options you can change, but nothing has bothered me enough to shell out that kinda cash to fix it.

dont mean to sound like an ass, dont flame me :)

It's not just that, who knows what you will be able to do with this tool in the future..... that is worth it.
Its a new tool! argh, argh,argh, argh :banana:

Earcandy
11-03-2005, 11:09 PM
Hate to double post but here is a nice bit of info about the latest update and what it does for the Starscan

http://www.dcctools.com/en/news/files/latest_news_9-28-2005_(6.03).pdf

Tire sizes for the srt8 could it work on the RT? Audio issues could that fix some issues forum members are complaining about? With all do respect to the chrysler techs on this site. One more reason to get this tool is because we know about its capability.
Do you think the "average" service guy at the dealership is going home and checking out all the cool stuff the tools at work can do?
How about the dealership owner? This is a revenue generator why they don't jump on it is beyond me. It's not like they have to buy one, they already have one. ( I know it's probably a legal issue. scumbag lawyers!!).
The more I read about it the more I want one

RandomAccess
11-03-2005, 11:14 PM
I like Linux kidd's idea... port the software to linux and we can all have our very own star scan running on an old laptop.

Earcandy
11-03-2005, 11:22 PM
I like Linux kidd's idea... port the software to linux and we can all have our very own star scan running on an old laptop.

Could we mod it into an X-Box?:razz:

RandomAccess
11-03-2005, 11:25 PM
That wouldn't be a bad idea actually... You'll be able to get them for about $50 once Xbox 360 is released.

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-03-2005, 11:56 PM
In the referenced PDF above...Notice the 2005-06 LX Enable DRL Fix. I wonder if that fixes most people's issue on enabling DRLs in the US?

Meister
11-04-2005, 12:09 AM
In the referenced PDF above...Notice the 2005-06 LX Enable DRL Fix. I wonder if that fixes most people's issue on enabling DRLs in the US?
Precisely!

This update summary explains why a few could and the many couldn't...only the few dealerships whose techs had applied the CD update to the starscanners could do it.

I'll be back at my dealship in the morning, with a success story to follow, IF the 6.03 update CD can be located.

fnkychkn
11-04-2005, 12:10 AM
wow, 37 posts already. my eyes hurt.:lol: where to start? at this time, starscan is updated using CDs sent to our dealership on an irregular basis. at this time, all flash files are downloaded from techconnect, which requires a log in and password. the starscan is only as useful as the person using it. it is, after all, just a tool. unless the user knows how the system being diagnosed works, he won't have a clue what to do with the incredible amout of information that can be viewed. changing tire sizes, enabling or disabling features and checking and erasing fault codes, although make up 90% of what most are used for, are but a miniscule portion of what this tool can do in the right hands. i have been using starscan for over 2 years, every chance i get (i even took it home every night for 1 1/2 months when i rented a magnum last year), and i still haven't seen every thing this tool can do. i learn more every time i use it. if i could afford one, i'd buy one because all DC vehicles are switching to CAN bus and this is THE tool. it's an awsome tool. good luck keeping track of it. it is highly sought after by car theives because of it's SKIM programming capabilities.

RandomAccess
11-04-2005, 12:13 AM
Precisely!

This update summary explains why a few could and the many couldn't...only the few dealerships whose techs had applied the CD update to the starscanners could do it.

I'll be back at my dealship in the morning, with a success story to follow, IF the 6.03 update CD can be located.


What is a DRL Fix?

fnkychkn
11-04-2005, 12:14 AM
In the referenced PDF above...Notice the 2005-06 LX Enable DRL Fix. I wonder if that fixes most people's issue on enabling DRLs in the US?
i was under the impression that this "enable DRL fix" meant that they removed the item from the menu when starscan is hooked up to a non DRL country vehicle. i might be wrong on this. you guys will have to check because i only get canadian vehicles to work on.

Meister
11-04-2005, 12:34 AM
What is a DRL Fix?
The enabling of Daytime Running Lights (DRL) on all appropriately equipped 2005 and 2006 LXs, RA.

It's been in the menu of the US spec starscanners for some time, but hasn't been effective in truly activating them. I can make mine show activated via a starscan unit (with 3 units to be precise), but the DRLs are still off. With a properly updated starscanner (one updated with CD-only update version 6.03, 9/19/05) we can now actually turn the DRLs on - long overdue.

Tomorrow is V-DRL Day :carryflag for the meistermobile, provided we can find a copy of the 6.03 update CD at my or any of 4 other nearby dealers.

EDIT: DRLs successfully activated with updated starscan unit. :thumbs_u:

See more here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=19444

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 06:37 AM
Thanks Fnkychkn, great info. Seems as though updating the flash is not going to happen unless I can score a username and password for the site. But there is a ton of other features available. Getting it to people is going to be the toughest part.

Overnight expenses are unreal. Unfortunately in order to keep it out in the field as much as possible, you have to use it or 2nd day. 3 or 4 days each way and you only end up getting it to someone once a week. USPS was really cheap until you added the insurance.

I will have to figure something out to make sure you guys get value out of your investment.

Fred
11-04-2005, 08:01 AM
Two things - u-pic is a third party insurance carrier that charges .17/$100 for insurance, you register your delivery with them and then they insure it, compared to UPS's .35/$100 it's pretty cheap. I've had a claim with them a few months ago and they really shine in the claims handling department, in my case I had made a verbal sale with a buyer and had NO documents available, so I made up a receipt in word and they accepted it and paid out the claim within a month.

LINUX - The unit is running in a special "real-time mode" that I do not think can be achieved with other than embedded linux on a specific platform.

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 08:26 AM
Thanks for the info. The real time mode from what little I understand about it is due to the timing critical communications. Here is a snippet from an article on Linuxdevices:

Stuart Adams of BrightStar explains that real-time requirements were driven by "various quirky timing requirements particularly for older (legacy) protocols. For example, you may have to send data to a UART at 9600 baud, but provide a 1500 microsecond gap between bytes. There are lots of odd timing things like this . . . you could probably handle them without RT, but the resulting software would be more complex and less portable."

I think it can be developed on a more common platform with some tweaking and modfying. The trick is in figuring out the specifications for each application.

I have a brother-in-law that is a Linux nut. I almost think he can recite the code without looking at it. LOL! He will be a great asset. I have a spare pc at home that I will load with linux to see what we can extract from there. This is going to take a long time but these cars are going to be around for a long time.

If I could just get the day job I am shooting for then I could dedicate time to it everyday and a whole bunch on weekends. I could easily put 40-50 hours a week into this. I believe the starscan is the key to cracking the can-bus mystery.

Rev.Hammer
11-04-2005, 09:46 AM
AMEN!!! Keep pressing on in this endeavor and
PRAISE THE LOWERED!

linuxkidd
11-04-2005, 11:04 AM
I got ahold of an older Update CD for the starscan... Here's what I've found so far...

It does indeed run a RealTime version of linux.. But, you can install RT Linux on a PC ( Check this Floppy sized (http://www.thinkingnerds.com/projects/minirtl/minirtl.html) RT Linux )...

Also, the thing isn't encoded or encrypted at all. I've only come across one file that wasn't easily openable.. ( and I've not put much time into it, cause it's the core OS for the StarScan ).

The files I did look into... WOW.. Lots of goodies... I don't want to go into a LOT of detail until I get something working from what I have... So, stay tuned...

Also, the most recent flash updates ( at the time of the CD being pressed ) are on the CD. Tons and Tons of flashes... So, if you don't have access to DealerConnect, you may not get the latest and greatest.. but your good if the flash was released before your update CD.

Also... YES you should be able to port something to the XBox... There are a couple of linux distros that will run on the Xbox, and the game controller ports are USB ports with an extra wire ( that's not used ). Should be able to get a CANUSB adapter or similar, and hopefully... be able to do whatever you want.. Again.. this is from a cursory glance at the data... Things could evolve to be different than my first observations..

A LOT of java class files.. ( and java is portable.. )

That's all for now.. :)

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 11:26 AM
That's awesome info, thanks linuxkid. Maybe once I get the starscan we can get together for a weekend and work on hacking this thing.

I am comfortable (not super proficient, but comfortable) programming in Java so modifying the java files should be no big deal.

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 11:29 AM
The data that linuxkid just provided seals the deal. I will make a phone call this afternoon and place an order for 1 starscan unit. Can't wait to play with this toy!!

linuxkidd
11-04-2005, 11:30 AM
That's awesome info, thanks linuxkid. Maybe once I get the starscan we can get together for a weekend and work on hacking this thing.

I am comfortable (not super proficient, but comfortable) programming in Java so modifying the java files should be no big deal.

Sounds like a plan! :rock: I'm a linux ubergeek... Haven't done any Java, but with people like you around, I shouldn't have to!!

**btw... the name LinuxKidd... Linux cause I love it.. Kidd is my last name.. note 2 d's.. :) Not a big deal.. just wanted to clarify..

LEEREED123
11-04-2005, 11:37 AM
LET ME KNOW! I'M ON MY WAY TO EVANS WITH CASH IN HAND!!!




The data that linuxkid just provided seals the deal. I will make a phone call this afternoon and place an order for 1 starscan unit. Can't wait to play with this toy!!

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 11:43 AM
**btw... the name LinuxKidd... Linux cause I love it.. Kidd is my last name.. note 2 d's.. :) Not a big deal.. just wanted to clarify..

DOH!! 1 letter can make a big difference. Leave a letter out of a variable name and watch how long you search for the reason why the dang program won't work. LOL! Been there done that, got the crossed eyes and grey hair to prove it.

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 11:45 AM
LET ME KNOW! I'M ON MY WAY TO EVANS WITH CASH IN HAND!!!

LOL! You might have to wait a couple of weeks.

linuxkidd
11-04-2005, 11:46 AM
DOH!! 1 letter can make a big difference. Leave a letter out of a variable name and watch how long you search for the reason why the dang program won't work. LOL! Been there done that, got the crossed eyes and grey hair to prove it.

Oh ya.. I've spent many many hours pouring over code... just to find that very thing... or, worse yet, 2 letters transposed... Damn.. now I wanna go write some code.... WHO'S WITH ME!

LEEREED123
11-04-2005, 11:58 AM
IS IT THERE YET?
IS IT THERE YET?
IS IT THERE YET?
IS IT THERE YET?
IS IT THERE YET?
IS IT THERE YET?
IS IT THERE YET?

:mrgreen:
(SORRY, CHILDHOOD FLASHBACKS!)



LOL! You might have to wait a couple of weeks.

MattRobertson
11-04-2005, 12:01 PM
WHO'S WITH ME!I am. If I can get the hell off this forum and get back to work. :-)

And watch out for a comma at the end of a field list in a SQL statement. Whenever I see a db error thrown I know... "@#$% I did it again!"

boggart
11-04-2005, 01:02 PM
My personal opinion is that if you charged $100 to rent, and it cost me even just $100 to ship it back and forth, I'd take that $200, spend $50 of it to have the dealer activate/update whatever I needed, and go play poker with the other $150. I know that won't be popular, but that is my opinion.

Meister
11-04-2005, 01:10 PM
My personal opinion is that if you charged $100 to rent, and it cost me even just $100 to ship it back and forth, I'd take that $200, spend $50 of it to have the dealer activate/update whatever I needed, and go play poker with the other $150. I know that won't be popular, but that is my opinion.
Let us know how it goes when you ask the dealer to remove your speed limiter. ;)

MattRobertson
11-04-2005, 01:27 PM
I know that won't be popular, but that is my opinion.I think you're looking at this wrong. We can all do basic math and we all know this would be silly just to change tire size. Where this would make sense is if we had a laundry list of things to do. Plus bear in mind not everyone has 100% confidence in their dealership. Thankfully I have a good one but hey... I can see times where it would be worth it to be able to peer into and poke at the car's digital innards without having to ask the dealer to do it for me.

Clearly, if all you need is to change tire sizes or somesuch, this isn't for you.

boggart
11-04-2005, 01:44 PM
I was thinking that I could give my dealer a laundry list and they wouldn't charge me $35 for each config change but would charge an hourly rate which would work out financially to my advantage. Not trying to keep you guys from doing it, but MagnumFreak was asking for opinions and that's still mine.

boggart
11-04-2005, 01:44 PM
Let us know how it goes when you ask the dealer to remove your speed limiter. ;)

You think removing the speed limiter can be done in starscan? I thought you needed a programmer for that.

Meister
11-04-2005, 01:49 PM
You think removing the speed limiter can be done in starscan? I thought you needed a programmer for that.
Ah, yet another of the starscan's mighty powers revealed to the unknowing. ;)

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 01:55 PM
Menu selection from starscan. There are a ton of features according to Fnkychkn that aren't even touched by most dealers. I can't wait to see what they are.

If you don't want to pay the shipping, just wait for a m&g in your area and I will try to make it there. All I need is enough people interested to cover my cost of getting there and I will do all I can to help.

Some of the info that LINUXKIDD Gave me makes me wonder if I can alter some of the programming and create my own uploads through the starscan unit itself. Wouldn't it be cool to upload to the evic and have the THROTTLE Position fed back for viewing? Or how about a MDS on indication?? The possibilities are endless.

Meister
11-04-2005, 02:06 PM
Menu selection from starscan. There are a ton of features according to Fnkychkn that aren't even touched by most dealers. I can't wait to see what they are.

If you don't want to pay the shipping, just wait for a m&g in your area and I will try to make it there. All I need is enough people interested to cover my cost of getting there and I will do all I can to help.

Some of the info that LINUXKIDD Gave me makes me wonder if I can alter some of the programming and create my own uploads through the starscan unit itself. Wouldn't it be cool to upload to the evic and have the THROTTLE Position fed back for viewing? Or how about a MDS on indication?? The possibilities are endless.
Add oil temperature to the top of that list, Freak. :)

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 02:10 PM
Absolutely. Once I get the unit and start hacking away with it I will start a thread with wish lists for upgrades. I will have to pull from the resources here to help figure out the fuel map. That is something that is definitely not my level of expertise.

Apache
11-04-2005, 02:15 PM
Look at everyone spinning there wheels, this project sounds really cool. Hopefully it all works to everyones beneifit. Need to work the login and password issue as well. Well keep up the good work and hopefully Freak you will have a success story.

Meister
11-04-2005, 02:27 PM
Look at everyone spinning there wheels, this project sounds really cool. Hopefully it all works to everyones beneifit. Need to work the login and password issue as well. Well keep up the good work and hopefully Freak you will have a success story.
You're gonna' have a lot of neat stuff waiting for your when you get back home, Apache. Beyond the most obvious - family & friends.

Safe hunting, and GodSpeed.

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 03:00 PM
Oooh! Oooh! How about Transmission temp so you can check your own transmission fluid level???


It sure is fun to dream again!!

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-04-2005, 03:10 PM
This is great stuff guys. The StarScan is like the ultimate programmer and diagnostic tool we could hope for.

Is there a place we can get this update CD for download? My curiousity has got me wanting to see what's on it.

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 04:02 PM
Is there a place we can get this update CD for download? My curiousity has got me wanting to see what's on it.

Not yet....;)

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 05:02 PM
ORDERED!! One starscan. Estimated arrival........ Wednesday or Thursday of next week.


Caution severe bank account hemmorage in progress. LOL!! Lady couldn't believe I paid for it with my debit visa! Guess the supercharger is on hold for a little while. This is going to be fun though. Can't wait to start digging into it.

LEEREED123
11-04-2005, 05:41 PM
CAN I CAME OVER SATURDAY??????
CAN I??
CAN I??
PLEASE!
PLEASE!
CAN I??
CAN I??
PLEASE!
PLEASE!

(SORRY... FLASHBACKS AGAIN!):doh:





ORDERED!! One starscan. Estimated arrival........ Wednesday or Thursday of next week.


Caution severe bank account hemmorage in progress. LOL!! Lady couldn't believe I paid for it with my debit visa! Guess the supercharger is on hold for a little while. This is going to be fun though. Can't wait to start digging into it.

Rockadile
11-04-2005, 05:58 PM
I am a Java Developer, so if you need anything, let me know.

MagnumFreak
11-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I am a Java Developer, so if you need anything, let me know.

Thanks, I may hold you to that.

Meister
11-04-2005, 09:04 PM
ORDERED!! One starscan. Estimated arrival........ Wednesday or Thursday of next week...
Let me know if you need the v6.03 update CD, Freak. I may be able to snag a copy for you.

fnkychkn
11-04-2005, 09:09 PM
update CDs were supposed to be phased out now that starscan can directly access techconnect. they haven't done it yet but who knows how much longer these CDs will keep arriving. when starscan first came out, all flashes and starscan updates were downloaded from update CDs. when techconnect was available for direct access, all flash and starscan updates were done through techconnect. now they have gone back to update CDs for updates but still want us to use techconnect to retreive flash files. i was unaware that they still provided flash files with update CDs.

ZMagnum
11-04-2005, 09:38 PM
I can setup VPN tunnels. Does that help?

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 12:31 AM
http://www.canhack.org/starscan.jpg

As you can see.. I got a little ways toward my goal tonight.. ( and almost lost control of certain bodily functions.. ) It actually makes it to 65%, at which point the text above the progress bar says 'Initializing Services...'

But it bombs there... The thing is, it's trying to make a socket connection to TCP port 3344 on the localhost. I've exhausted my Java decompile skills, and can't figure out what it's looking for on that port, but I'm guessing its a binary service running that handles some hardware functions ( maybe looking at the vehicle port, who knows.. )

I also tried to create a listener on that port, to log the data passed, along with running Ethereal to monitor the packets.. It seems that since there's no response, it sends no data..

I've got access to some high dollar Java coders, but won't see them again till Monday.. I'm gonna try a windows based de-compiler that was recommended by the Java gurus I know.. ( had been using a linux based one ). Will keep you guys posted on what I figure out.. but .. this part could take a while.. :(

createdbyone
11-05-2005, 12:34 AM
<--- currently in 2nd year computer science major.... I hear its linux, so why dont we get this thing cracked and sent out to all the forum members. It be nice to hook my computer to my car to turn on my DRLs instead of paying the dealer 50 some bucks.

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 12:41 AM
<--- currently in 2nd year computer science major.... I hear its linux, so why dont we get this thing cracked and sent out to all the forum members. It be nice to hook my computer to my car to turn on my DRLs instead of paying the dealer 50 some bucks.

See post #79.... :roll:

MagnumFreak
11-05-2005, 08:41 AM
http://www.canhack.org/starscan.jpg

As you can see.. I got a little ways toward my goal tonight.. ( and almost lost control of certain bodily functions.. ) It actually makes it to 65%, at which point the text above the progress bar says 'Initializing Services...'

But it bombs there... The thing is, it's trying to make a socket connection to TCP port 3344 on the localhost. I've exhausted my Java decompile skills, and can't figure out what it's looking for on that port, but I'm guessing its a binary service running that handles some hardware functions ( maybe looking at the vehicle port, who knows.. )

I also tried to create a listener on that port, to log the data passed, along with running Ethereal to monitor the packets.. It seems that since there's no response, it sends no data..

I've got access to some high dollar Java coders, but won't see them again till Monday.. I'm gonna try a windows based de-compiler that was recommended by the Java gurus I know.. ( had been using a linux based one ). Will keep you guys posted on what I figure out.. but .. this part could take a while.. :(

Maybe it is trying to initialize the touch screen. Try inserting some simple commands to print info to the screen. Kind of a manual trace function. It will give an idea as to where the system is locking up.

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 08:49 AM
I found a config file names sysmon.properties after I posted this last night.. Sheds some more light on things...



#
# Properties file used by the NGST Java application to intereact with the
# NGST System Monitor
#
system.data.port=3344
system.event.port=2233
system.monitor.ip=127.0.0.1
system.monitor.data.port=3344
system.monitor.event.port=2233
system.keyboardPipe=/proc/driver/keypad
system.readDelay=500
system.readTimeout=0
system.simulation=false
simulator.data.port=3344
simulator.event.port=2233
simulator.event.cycle=4000
simulator.event.list=thermal.hightemp thermal.batteryhot thermal.shutdown device.shutdown device.sleep device.wakeup device.maxerrors power.batterylow power.shutdown power.charging power.acconnect power.acdisconnect rmvmedia.connected rmvmedia.disconnected vehicle.ignitionon vehicle.ignitionoff network.connected network.disconnected network.signal.gained network.signal.lost

So, it looks like these ports are for hardware monitoring.. more system health and status than anything else.. Just trying to track down what type of daemon they used for it.. sysmon is a linux Network monitor utility, so not exactly what I'm looking for ( or what is suggested by the config file's filename... )

Didn't go to bed till 2am... damn new toys... :)

MagnumFreak
11-05-2005, 09:00 AM
LOL! I know what you mean. Once we get the starscan we will be able to alter the code and see what the results are. Looking forward to getting started.

RandomAccess
11-05-2005, 09:17 AM
LinuxKidd... They didn't obfuscate thier linux code? A straigt decompile worked?

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 09:27 AM
LinuxKidd... They didn't obfuscate thier linux code? A straigt decompile worked?

Well, most of the program code is in java.. all .class files.. So ya.. Java Decompiler works like a champ.. ( So it seems.. I just gotta get smart on using the thing.. )

So, the way I see it, I've got 3 ways to crack this current ( and all future ) speed bump...

1: Decompile the java, and figure out the format of the data it's looking for, then just send it that..

2: Bust open the OS image that's included on the CD.. ( proving to be more of a challenge than I initially thought ). Take a look at what tools they're using on there..

3: Borrow the StarScan, and sniff the packets...

So.. this is definitely not THE stopping point... Just a speed bump on the road to a dirt cheap starscan.. :)

BTW: Any hardware hackers out there... This thing runs FSMLabs's RTLinuxPro on an AMD Alchemy AU1000 based board. The AU1000 is a MIPS32 compliant processor.. I've got a MIPS emulator, but haven't successfully used the supplied OS image to boot the thing..

**Edit: Damn english language...

RandomAccess
11-05-2005, 09:47 AM
Well, most of the program code is in java.. all .class files.. So ya.. Java Decompiler works like a champ.. ( So it seems.. I just gotta get smart on using the thing.. )


The ease in being able to decompile is why most folks interested in protecting their IP in Java use an obfuscator. It scrambles all the variable names, function names etc... so that the code is completely unreadable once decompiled.



So, the way I see it, I've got 3 ways to crack this current ( and all future ) speed bump...

1: Decompile the java, and figure out the format of the data it's looking for, then just send it that..


I think this might be the easiest, and most reliable, since there will be no guessing as to what they are looking for and how to replicate it. Your Java guru's should have very little trouble giving you the protocol and data elements.

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 10:08 AM
Ok... I switched from the Linux Decompiler to a windows Decompiler called DJ Decompiler... Wholy Balls... this thing rocks.. I've already found the section that makes the connection, and how it processes it...

Wow.. this is gonna be fun.. ;)

RandomAccess
11-05-2005, 10:18 AM
Awesome! that much progress in 30 minutes.... I can't wait until the next 30 minutes.

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 12:04 PM
Awesome! that much progress in 30 minutes.... I can't wait until the next 30 minutes.

Well, I hate to dissapoint, but only thing that happened in the last 30 minutes was I took a shower, and got dressed.. LOL

Maybe the next 30 will be better.. :)

DriveATransam
11-05-2005, 12:25 PM
Well, I hate to dissapoint, but only thing that happened in the last 30 minutes was I took a shower, and got dressed.. LOL

Maybe the next 30 will be better.. :)

LOL. i wish i knew what all this mumbo jumbo meant lol. lot of computer gurus here looks like.

maybe i need to boot up a computer with linux and learn how to use it? whats the bottom line you are trying to acheive? hook your computer up to your car and run starscan off your computer? sounds like a good thing to me. i already have an obd2 to pc connector from my autotap for the TA. albeit its serial and not usb <barf>

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-05-2005, 03:06 PM
Awesome LinuxKidd. You are really on fire today! Good Job.

MagnumFreak
11-05-2005, 03:17 PM
That's funny, i just downloaded the same decompiler. Nice package with a built in editor and compiler also.




Ok... I switched from the Linux Decompiler to a windows Decompiler called DJ Decompiler... Wholy Balls... this thing rocks.. I've already found the section that makes the connection, and how it processes it...

Wow.. this is gonna be fun.. ;)

linuxkidd
11-05-2005, 10:46 PM
Well, I'm back on the linux side of things... Been playing with Eclipse ( It's a programming IDE ).

Eclipse supports Java development, and the decompiler that DJ Decompiler is a graphical front end for ( JAD ) also has a plugin for Eclipse..

Unfortunately, I've got some other "Honey-Do's" to do this weekend.. Monday, I'll get together with my Java Guru's, and show them what I've got.

Just thought I'd give a quick update..

RandomAccess
11-06-2005, 11:25 AM
LOL. i wish i knew what all this mumbo jumbo meant lol. lot of computer gurus here looks like.

maybe i need to boot up a computer with linux and learn how to use it? whats the bottom line you are trying to acheive? hook your computer up to your car and run starscan off your computer? sounds like a good thing to me. i already have an obd2 to pc connector from my autotap for the TA. albeit its serial and not usb <barf>

They are trying to take the software that runs on a Star Scan (computer tool the dealers use to interact and update the computer modules in the car) and get it running on PC hardware. The Star Scan uses embedded linux so it should be very doable.

If this is done right, you wouldn't need to know a thing about Linux to use the ported star scan software. We could probably create a bootable linux CD, using something like a Slax version of Linux. Drop in the CD, boot your laptop, and connect your ODBII cable and have access everything the dealer does. No installs on your PC even required.

Very cool!

Meister
11-06-2005, 11:51 AM
...If this is done right, you wouldn't need to know a thing about Linux to use the ported star scan software. We could probably create a bootable linux CD, using something like a Slax version of Linux. Drop in the CD, boot your laptop, and connect your ODBII cable and have access everything the dealer does. No installs on your PC even required.

Very cool!
It is indeed very cool, RA. Revolutionary even.

Very exciting times in LX-ville are just around the corner. :banana: :banana:

goodeforu
11-06-2005, 12:12 PM
This thread is great.. I was wondering what kind of hardware would you need to drive this software. Thinking of buying old laptop just for this kind of project.. any ideas?

ZMagnum
11-06-2005, 12:24 PM
Where does the Starscan connect to the car? Is the port out in the open or does it require removing something?

fnkychkn
11-06-2005, 12:26 PM
it uses the OBD2 diagnostic port, directly above driver's left foot.

ZMagnum
11-06-2005, 12:29 PM
Thanks.


it uses the OBD2 diagnostic port, directly above driver's left foot.

RandomAccess
11-06-2005, 12:29 PM
This thread is great.. I was wondering what kind of hardware would you need to drive this software. Thinking of buying old laptop just for this kind of project.. any ideas?

I would refrain from investing in any hardware for this purpose until LinuxKidd has it up and running and can determine what kind of hardware is needed to run it.

DriveATransam
11-06-2005, 12:32 PM
thats pretty sweet then. as a side note, is this illegal or how does copywrite infringements work (not that i care)

RandomAccess
11-06-2005, 12:32 PM
it uses the OBD2 diagnostic port, directly above driver's left foot.

Hey FC... I was wondering when you would chime in again here...

Do you know if the Star Scan can change the shift points or any of the software maps on the LX?

Can this thing take the place of an after market programmer?

RandomAccess
11-06-2005, 12:34 PM
thats pretty sweet then. as a side note, is this illegal or how does copywrite infringements work (not that i care)

Now whydya gotta go an ruin our fun by askin a question like that???

fnkychkn
11-06-2005, 01:08 PM
Hey FC... I was wondering when you would chime in again here...

Do you know if the Star Scan can change the shift points or any of the software maps on the LX?

Can this thing take the place of an after market programmer?
if it can be done, it would require someone with waaayyyyyy more smarts than me. that being said, i'm sure one of our fine members will figure it out.

linuxkidd
11-06-2005, 01:17 PM
I've looked at some CAN-C Diagnostic docs that have a TON of stuff that can be done over this port. I'm also aware that there are several things that can be done over this port, that the StarScan isn't configured to do. But, with a good understanding of the StarScan's software, and JAVA, we could easily expand our version of the software ( which runs on PC's ) to do whatever we like.

I've also been told that the StarScan does have the capability of changing Air/Fuel tables.. ( that was the only thing specifically mentioned, but other cool perfermance tuning capabilities may exist.. )

btw.. RandomAccess: A Live CD / DVD Distribution is a GREAT idea.. I'd not really thought about it, but it would really simplify using this tool for many people..

Also as far as hardware to support this.. Definitly wait.. The software will run on anything that can handle linux and a GUI ( X.org, etc... ) with Java. But we need to figure out what is required to get onto the OBD-II / CAN bus ( it may be as simple as using the can232 that we're using at canhack.org, but we're not sure yet... )

PBatt
11-06-2005, 01:29 PM
Too funny. I take a couple of days to prep my house for sale, and you guys have gone and purchased a programmer, have begun to crack it and all in the name of making your car "cooler".

YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK! :1puke:

Just like me :).
Big hugs and attaboys to all involved! :huddle::beerchug:

Incredible work!!!!!

You guys (and gals) rock! :rock:

Peter

RandomAccess
11-06-2005, 06:20 PM
btw.. RandomAccess: A Live CD / DVD Distribution is a GREAT idea.. I'd not really thought about it, but it would really simplify using this tool for many people..

Thanks... Hopfully not my last good idea or useful contribution to this very exciting project!!!

I would reccomend SLAX for this. They have a version of linux that will fit in 47 MB... One with full GUI interfaces that fit in 128MB... Leaving plenty of room on a 650MB CD for it (Everyone may not have access to bootable DVD ROM drives on a laptop)

http://slax.linux-live.org/download.php

tonyt
11-06-2005, 09:00 PM
That or knopix...

RandomAccess
11-07-2005, 08:45 AM
True, Knopix supports disk compression for up to 2GB on a CDROM... But the delays in decompressing may cause trouble for the Star Scan software... Especially if the comment regarding using Real Time version linux is true.

Lots of optoins.

Eraser-X
11-07-2005, 05:54 PM
Can someone make an ISO of the last update disk? I can host it or seed it on Bittorrent.

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-07-2005, 06:20 PM
I'd like to get one just for curiousity and in case we find a way to use it later.

linuxkidd
11-07-2005, 06:26 PM
Ya.. it'd be nice to have the latest copy... I'm working with one thats 2 revisions old..

:)

RandomAccess
11-09-2005, 11:24 PM
So how about an update LK?

XCITsNU
11-10-2005, 12:48 AM
Hanging out watching this thread develop. Very exciting stuff. I love the fact that LXForums has the intellectual gray matter to tackle this project. I'd like to help refurbish the bank account. Where can I send a donation to the project fund? CANHack? Let me know...

linuxkidd
11-10-2005, 08:16 AM
Hanging out watching this thread develop. Very exciting stuff. I love the fact that LXForums has the intellectual gray matter to tackle this project. I'd like to help refurbish the bank account. Where can I send a donation to the project fund? CANHack? Let me know...

CANHack account won't help MagnumFreak who bought the StarScan... :) Also, so far, the only expenditure CANHack has on this is my time.. :) So, not big deal..

If ya want to help out canhack, then by all means! :) Always glad to receive donations..

Anyway... status update...

This week has been hell at work.. I've had 12+ hour days, and so have the JAVA devels I'm working with. I did finally get to sit down with one yesterday and show her what's going on, and she agrees with me about just figuring out the packet contents and emulating it.. So, I gave her a copy of the java code so she could work on it in her ... spare... time...

I should have more time to devote to this over the next 3 days ( 3 day weekend!! WOO HOO!! ) So... keep an eye on this thread..

Also, after looking at the code, this is just speed bump #1... out of about 5 that are readily obvious in the code. So... we may get past this one .. and MAYBE one more this weekend.. ( I hope! )... but there's still plenty to keep us busy for a while..

Anyone get ahold of 6.03? ** Probably best to discuss means of exchange over PM.. :) **

rakstr
11-10-2005, 09:55 AM
About the bootable DVDs, ... THese external drives (R/W all format multi layer) in either USB or Firewire are down to about $50. I'd suggest moving forward in the DVD direction and not worry about the space. As lappy's are replaced over the next year or so, internals will be standard.

MoparStore
11-10-2005, 06:39 PM
speaking of starscan... look what showed up during my meeting with my manager this morning...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/tr45hc4nm4n/STARSCAN.jpg

It was the most recent update too. oooooooo

Rev.Hammer
11-10-2005, 06:46 PM
oooooooooh
can I touch it?

ZMagnum
11-10-2005, 06:51 PM
I bet it even smells new.


oooooooooh

can I touch it?

XCITsNU
11-10-2005, 10:25 PM
speaking of starscan... look what showed up during my meeting with my manager this morning...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/tr45hc4nm4n/STARSCAN.jpg

It was the most recent update too. oooooooo
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5008/bc01homer8rg.jpg

moparman53
11-11-2005, 03:50 AM
Nice. Will it do you any good if you can't log on to the system? Fnkchk? Comments?

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-11-2005, 05:21 AM
MAX POWER!




http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5008/bc01homer8rg.jpg

MagnumFreak
11-11-2005, 12:23 PM
DANGIT!!! Looks like there will be a slight delay in getting the starscan. Backordered! Now they say might be 2 weeks but could be as long as 8. Oh well. I will keep everyone updated as to when it arrives.

RandomAccess
11-13-2005, 11:29 AM
$5 says that LK will have the KiddScan done in 8 Weeks.

(LK are you going to run out and register KiddScan.Com?)

Rev.Hammer
11-13-2005, 08:44 PM
I'll have to say AMEN on that one!!!
I think that LK is gonna set the world on fire!!

RandomAccess
11-15-2005, 10:59 PM
So what's the latest LinuxKidd???

XCITsNU
11-16-2005, 12:59 AM
YES, must... get... update...

linuxkidd
11-16-2005, 12:52 PM
Hey guys.... Over the past two weeks.. I've been working 12 hour days at the day gig.. I've really not done much outside of work besides sleep... I'm gonna be putting more time in on it over the next couple of days.. It's really just been a crazy life...

I'm also at a point where I'm a little torn.. I have two options..

1. ) [original plan] Figure out what the packet contents need to be and make a short script to ( initially ) feed it acceptable data.. then ( later ) modify it to send real data ( from the laptop ) to be displayed.

2. ) [New Option] Change the Java code so that it doesn't even look any more...

Option 2 is probably much easier initially... but there may be several other places throughout the code that requires data from these monitors... and it may limit the ability to perform certain features.

That's where things are right now... Still plugging along. ( Also got a few people from a local Geek group interested in this lil project, and one took a copy to work on )

RandomAccess
11-16-2005, 11:11 PM
LK... My $0.02... Go with option 1 and build an external emmulator instead of modifying the existing code. It's gonna make it easier to upgrade to newer versions of the software IF we ever get our hands on the updated builds.

Instead of sniffing the packets and trying to figure out what's going on... Can I suggest that you review the code that is using the data? This should give you exact info that is expected instead of trying to guess.

linuxkidd
11-16-2005, 11:55 PM
LK... My $0.02... Go with option 1 and build an external emmulator instead of modifying the existing code. It's gonna make it easier to upgrade to newer versions of the software IF we ever get our hands on the updated builds.

Instead of sniffing the packets and trying to figure out what's going on... Can I suggest that you review the code that is using the data? This should give you exact info that is expected instead of trying to guess.

Couldn't agree with you more. My initial attempt at sniffing led me to the decision to parse the code by hand. It doesn't actually send anything out on it connection attempt, so there's nothing to sniff.

Just a matter of having the time to look through the code in reverse...

Eclipse w/ the JAD plugin is great for doing this..

ANY JAVA GURU's out there... If you wish to help with this portion of the project, PM me... We'll set something up.

Thanks all...
LK

Meister
11-17-2005, 12:23 AM
How helpful would a copy of update CD v3.06 be?

MagnumFreak
11-17-2005, 10:36 AM
Looks like the Starscan will be here either Friday (just before I leave for Hammerfest) or Monday. If it doesn't have version 6.03 I would definitely be interested.


I sure hope there are no more delays. This is almost as bad as when I ordered my Magnum. LOL!

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-17-2005, 11:10 AM
Please try and bring it to Hammerfest! I want DRLs bad, but have had no time for the dealer during the hours they are open.

MagnumFreak
11-17-2005, 01:10 PM
If it gets here I will bring it. I hope it has 6.03 software because i need that version to successfully enable drl. The other versions enabled it but it didn't work.

Meister
11-17-2005, 01:41 PM
OK. I'll try to bring 6.03 with me to Hammerfest so that BBH is covered. Freak then takes the disk home with him.

MagnumFreak
11-17-2005, 01:53 PM
Way cool thanks.

MagnumFreak
11-17-2005, 02:04 PM
Just checked and my starscan shipped out today. That means I will NOT have it for Hammerfest. DANGIT!! It was shipped regular ground meaning it will be here Monday or Tuesday at the latest. BBH sorry it won't be here for the hammerfest but maybe we can get together some other time. I am always looking for an excuse for a road trip.

XCITsNU
11-17-2005, 02:50 PM
Somebody PLEEZZZ reverse engineer the TSB that (suppposedly) fixes the trani shift hesitation!!! Let's get the engine rev safety limit adjusted up to 6700 RPM's and the shift point up to 6500 RPM's!!!

I would so love to have my car really fixed, now that it has been supposedly "fixed" (royally screwed up by the stupid shift fix) so it shifts better.

Please help, I am going crazy now that my car shifts at 5500 RPM's after that stupid, non-reversible "fix" from DCX, instead of 6200 RPM's like it did before the "fix".

Meister
11-17-2005, 03:21 PM
Somebody PLEEZZZ reverse engineer the TSB that (suppposedly) fixes the trani shift hesitation!!! Let's get the engine rev safety limit adjusted up to 6700 RPM's and the shift point up to 6500 RPM's!!!

I would so love to have my car really fixed, now that it has been supposedly "fixed" (royally screwed up by the stupid shift fix) so it shifts better.

Please help, I am going crazy now that my car shifts at 5500 RPM's after that stupid, non-reversible "fix" from DCX, instead of 6200 RPM's like it did before the "fix".

EDIT: Correction to my earlier report stating the starscan will reset our rev limiter. I just spent an hour with a starscan and neither the tech nor I could find anywhere to accomplish this, though we had both been previously told that it was possible. Rev limit, speed limit, and shift point rpm were all either missing from the menus or were very well hidden.

The good news is that there's a lot of useful info avail for tuning, including a real-time torque output reading. On this 82 degree afternoon my Hemi was pulling a consistent 338 ft/lbs virtually every time we'd punch it and let it run.

XCITsNU
11-17-2005, 03:29 PM
THANK GOD! Ok, where do I sent the rental installment. I will pay money Tuesday if we can get the instructions dialed in for the need I outlined in my previous post. Let's help you get your money back asap. I'd be glad to let you hold our 3 kids as collateral, and before you get the wrong idea, I couldn't live a day without their love, so I'd defniately be motivated to get the Starscan back ASAP. Otherwise I can provide a security deposit, or whatever to get this done. I will drive to you the weekend after next if you are not currently comfortable with sending the unit out. MUST HAVE SHIFT POINTS CORRECTED!!!

Meister
11-17-2005, 10:19 PM
THANK GOD!..Got some bad news, XCITxNU - spent the last hour with a starscan and neither I nor the tech could get it to reveal the location, if there is one, of where the rev limits, or the speed limit, are. Both the tech and I had previously been told that speed and rev limits were changeable by the starscan. Whether this info was incorrect, or whether the 6.03 update, or a prior update, removed that capability we can't say. But if the ability to do so exists in v6.03 we sure can't find it.

See my post 2 numbers lower for the good news.

BrilliantBlackHemi
11-17-2005, 10:33 PM
Ok, well I was in the area and this happened to be their late working night (Tue/Thurs) so I went to the dealer and got the DRLs turned on. Had to pay a straight labor cost of $22.99. Oh well. It only took 30 minutes.

MattRobertson
11-17-2005, 10:37 PM
... my Hemi was pulling a consistent 338 ft/lbs virtually every time we'd punch it and let it run.Those are better than SRT8 numbers at the wheels. APerformance just posted SRT dyno numbers and the tq wasn't so far off yours when they ran a 300 SRT8 stock... 329 ft lbs max tq.

Meister
11-17-2005, 10:57 PM
Those are better than SRT8 numbers at the wheels. APerformance just posted SRT dyno numbers and the tq wasn't so far off yours when they ran a 300 SRT8 stock... 329 ft lbs max tq.
I've seen a lot better stock SRT8 torque numbers posted than that, Matt, but the fact we hit that 338 number 7 or 8 times in the course of our tests does look good in print, doesn't it?

It would seem the absolute accuracy of the starscan was off (how would it know field elevation for example? Is is clever enough to read elevation from my Nav unit? Maybe, I suppose), but, like G-Timers & G-Techs, the relative accuracy, at the least, is very good.

(Too bad we had all those recent dyno runs showing around 300 ft/lbs torque from my ride, Matt. Otherwise I may not have known other than to be somewhat impressed with these numbers. ;))

FWIW, there were two of us in the car. Is the starscan sufficiently star wars technology to check the butt-in-the-seat sensor and add a nominal weight for the passenger?

It'll be quite interesting when the Wiz Kids have had time to ferret some of these answers out.

fnkychkn
11-17-2005, 11:04 PM
It would seem the absolute accuracy of the starscan was off (how would it know field elevation for example? Is is clever enough to read elevation from my Nav unit? Maybe, I suppose), but, like G-Timers & G-Techs, the relative accuracy, at the least, is very good.
it does not need to know field elevation. it reads barometric pressure from MAP sensor.

XCITsNU
11-17-2005, 11:42 PM
Got some bad news, XCITxNU - spent the last hour with a starscan and neither I nor the tech could get it to reveal the location, if there is one, of where the rev limits, or the speed limit, are. Both the tech and I had previously been told that speed and rev limits were changeable by the starscan. Whether this info was incorrect, or whether the 6.03 update, or a prior update, removed that capability we can't say. But if the ability to do so exists in v6.03 we sure can't find it.

See my post 2 numbers lower for the good news.

Well if we ever do figure it out, the Service Manager at my now preferred dealership said he would gladly do all the settings with his tech on their Starscan since my shift points are now all screwed up. If we could only figure it out. Is there a manual that comes with the unit. Even if it is 8000 pages like the service manual, I am willing to read the whole thing over the next two weeks to get the information. I'm hungry to get this fixed. Let me know.

Meister
11-18-2005, 12:37 AM
it does not need to know field elevation. it reads barometric pressure from MAP sensor.
Hi funky, thanks. 'Been a while. :)

Any guess as to whether starscan includes passenger weight in the values it uses in calculating torque? If not, the torque numbers would most likely have been even higher if I'd been solo.

And any thoughts as to why the > 30 ft/lb disparity between dyno and starscan torque figures?

fnkychkn
11-18-2005, 08:39 AM
Hi funky, thanks. 'Been a while. :)

Any guess as to whether starscan includes passenger weight in the values it uses in calculating torque? If not, the torque numbers would most likely have been even higher if I'd been solo.

And any thoughts as to why the > 30 ft/lb disparity between dyno and starscan torque figures?
they only weight sensors are for R/F seat. STARSCAN does not do these calculations, the PCM does. i beleive the torque values displayed are calculated from load value using a formula that probably includes BARO, MAP, RPM,etc.
the 30 ft/lb difference might be that the STARSCAN reading is from a calculated engine output whereas the dyno measures rear wheel torque? i think the published engine torque output from the 5.7L is 390 ft/lbs.

DriveATransam
11-18-2005, 07:40 PM
i think its nothing of importance. ive seen the same setting on autotap when i log my TA. nothings gonna be as reliable as a dyno for real world numbers

RandomAccess
12-02-2005, 02:35 PM
Couldn't agree with you more. My initial attempt at sniffing led me to the decision to parse the code by hand. It doesn't actually send anything out on it connection attempt, so there's nothing to sniff.

Just a matter of having the time to look through the code in reverse...

Eclipse w/ the JAD plugin is great for doing this..

ANY JAVA GURU's out there... If you wish to help with this portion of the project, PM me... We'll set something up.

Thanks all...
LK

Any updates on the KiddScan?

RandomAccess
12-05-2005, 07:14 PM
Bump

linuxkidd
12-05-2005, 08:55 PM
Sorry guys... Looks like the Holiday season isn't good for productive geek time... I've got a few more people interested in the project ( local java developers ), but same story... everyone's busy... Don't consider this dead... just slow.. :(

Keep an eye on MagnumFreak's project, and this thread... MF will prolly beat me to something useful... but both should be interesting..

RandomAccess
12-17-2005, 12:55 AM
Anything new LK?

linuxkidd
12-18-2005, 09:04 AM
Well, not so much on the StarScan software hack, but I did have some fun at the dealership the other day...

I went in to have a new AMP installed ( Radio had registered an Internal failure on my amp ), and got to have some fun... Turns out their IT Techies hadn't been able to get the starscan on their dealer network, and had been doing all the updates via Thumbdrive transfers... SO... being the networking guru that I am... I got them all HOOKED UP!! And thus was able to update all my firmwares except the Uconnect... ( Gotta have a bluetooth adapter to upgrade the Uconnect system.. and they didn't have one for the starscan ).

Also got to play with the StarMobile device. This thing looks promising as well. It's faster than the StarScan because you use it along with a laptop ( according to one of their techs ).

Sorry nothing new to report on the StarScan hacking.. I've been in BFE Kentucky for the last few days.. this is the first real internet connection I've had in that time.. ( Dial up SUX! ) [ Sad when my Sprint Vision connection constitutes a 'real' internet connection.. ]

Will let you guys all know when there's more to report...

Kris Heiselberg
01-16-2013, 01:39 PM
Wow, found this thread via a search on Google for a Starscan Emulator. Great reading, but did this project ever get finished?

done
01-16-2013, 02:35 PM
Wow, found this thread via a search on Google for a Starscan Emulator. Great reading, but did this project ever get finished?

No, it was quashed.

ekaz
01-16-2013, 04:22 PM
Best leave that answer as is too, further questions will not yield anymore answers.

Kris Heiselberg
01-17-2013, 05:23 AM
Wow that is too bad, sounded like a promising project with some really competent people working on it.