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Steve HR Hooligan

09-13-2009, 12:13 PM

At our local M & G i parked next to a 2010 Camaro RS and took some pictures

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/SteveHRHooligan/DSC02020.jpg?t=1252857973
http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/SteveHRHooligan/DSC02019.jpg?t=1252858136
http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/SteveHRHooligan/DSC02018.jpg?t=1252858188
http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv284/SteveHRHooligan/DSC02017.jpg?t=1252858227

The couple that own the Camaro have full documentation from the factory and pictures of the car as it was being assembled down the line, which i found kinda kool. I still like my car better.

SRT8MAG70NOVASS

09-13-2009, 12:20 PM

i like them both, but the camaro just looks like it means business.

ZIMMSTOY

09-13-2009, 01:14 PM

Both look great. I really wish they would do a Challenger Convertible. I think that would put them all to shame. I read an article about Mr.Norms who does the convertible swaps and they look amazing. I dunno that it is worth the added cost but they sure are pretty :)

cromagnumman425

09-13-2009, 01:19 PM

Having both is the only solution.

CVP33

09-13-2009, 01:41 PM

Well neither really handle all that well on a road course. Stock for stock they're about even in the 1/4 Mile. Roominess is about the same. Styling is a matter of opinion. More factory options available on the Challenger (I think). Now here's one for yah. At our dyno day yesterday we had an otherwise stock Camaro SS with Procharger and 8psi turn 456 rwhp on the dyno. I went about an hour later (roughly same temp.) with my 300C SRT8 with Procharger and 6psi and I turned 492 rwhp. Not sure how much difference 36 rwhp would make on the track, but there you have it.

RT NOMAD

09-13-2009, 02:27 PM

MeatheadsMagnum

09-13-2009, 03:17 PM

In pictures sometimes the Camaro looks better, but in person its just no contest. The challenger is clean and sleek looking. The Camaro is person, especially in person, looks stubby and scrunched especially in the V6 where the ride height is higher or looks as such because of the wheels. In black and in the SS version the Camaro is really nice, but I still think the Challenger has a better old school less is more look. I would drive either. Right now because of the "new" factor the Camaro would be fun, but they are not all that cheap (well over 40k) fully loaded.

Something was lost from the concept version, and the production model just looks different than the one in the transformers movies. The mirrors, ride height, slightly different body. I've never done a side by side, but they changed something from the final concept..... maybe I'm just:blam:

For the money I'd rather find a slightly used Challenger.

I'm waiting for a 2009 CTS-V to become reasonable, and I'd still rather have a corvette than a Camaro any day.

jhs914

09-13-2009, 03:25 PM

For the past two years I have followed the news of the Camaro's comeback with interest. Having owned many GM cars since my first car in 1966 (GTO), with three Camaro's among them, I really wanted to like the new Camaro, but it just doesn't do it for me.

I suppose I am showing my Old F@rtness, but the styling is just too edgy for me. And the interior looks like it was designed by Mattel Toy Co. Add to that the major reliability problems with the early production run, and that seals the deal for me.

The Challenger is it for this Old F@rt. Now if only Chrysler would price the Challenger SRT8 competitively with the SS Camaro...........

Steve HR Hooligan

09-13-2009, 03:29 PM

Looking at both cars together the Challenger is bigger both outside and in, the back seat in the Challenger can fit three just fine with lots of room (i took two teenagers to New Bruswick and back with no problem), the Camaro i would be cramped in the back, it is the same in the Mustang. The size difference is apparent when you see the cars live. I love my plus size muscle car.

MattRMagnum

09-13-2009, 04:31 PM

I wonder if that Camaro had a bad drive in, or if it wanted to speed and it's owners wouldn't let it, or something. Regardless, someone needs to give the Camaro a hug. Looking as angry as it is, I think it's having a terrible day.

...and incase my message doesn't say the point: gimme a Chally. I like cars that look aggressive, not angry.

DMAG

09-13-2009, 04:49 PM

Do not like the new Camaro. See them in person here pretty often and I'll take a Challenger any day over it. Slower, heavier...whatever.

PHEEN

09-13-2009, 05:46 PM

I drove an ss/rs and a chally r/t...not going to lie I would take the r/t over the ss/rs anyday!

Squeeg

09-13-2009, 05:51 PM

The price difference is huge that is why I like the camaro better. If they wasnt so proud of the challenger I would pick that.

Mik3y

09-13-2009, 06:11 PM

I like the challenger better too

Frankyoz

09-13-2009, 08:23 PM

Dont be too mad but I would take the camaro in a Silver or Black color. Way more car for the money. A SS in our local dealership had a sticker of 33k on the window and it will go toe to toe with a 45K+ SRT8, looks are cheaper to change than HP imo. Todays day and age its about money and when you compare those 2 Dodge owners are getting bent over =( Huge reason I bought my Charger used is because Dodge's have the highest depreciation value of the big 3.

honu

09-13-2009, 08:31 PM

I'm gonna have to go with the Challenger. Maybe I'm just gettin' old, but the Camaro has too much... "trendy Transformer toy, kinda cool now, but corny in a year look goin' on". The Challenger has an updated retro feel, it's truer to it's origins.

DISCLAIMER: The opinion expressed above is that of the author only and does not, in any way, represent the views of all fuddy duddies and crotchity old farts on the site.

JimIsland-SRT8

09-13-2009, 09:10 PM

The cheaper price point on the SS Camaro will ensure that they are at every stoplight in a few years. I would be very interested in a Z28 550+ HP even if it came in substanially higher.

Chally FTW!!

Sevenernine

09-13-2009, 09:39 PM

The styling on the Camaro certainly has an aggressive look... from the front and side too.

Whoever designed the front didn't show up to work when the rear was designed. IMO, it's hard to imagine that it could have been designed worse.

Amen.

Beautiful car, until you see the ass. I think just rounding out the tail lights would make a world of difference.

Magnumb_SRT

09-13-2009, 09:40 PM

The cheaper price point on the SS Camaro will ensure that they are at every stoplight in a few years. I would be very interested in a Z28 550+ HP even if it came in substanially higher.

Chally FTW!!

Yes....I heard the other day from a very reliable GM source that the Z28 is coming next year in the late Spring with the LS9 Supercharged (550-ish crank HP like you say....a little less than the ZR1 as usual). Drawings of this car look interesting with the raise cowl induction hood.....especially in black or silver. Apparently the car is finished and there are a few test mules around Detroit, but the car was put on hold during the recent GM restructuing. Lowered with an upgraded suspension, 6 speed and that horsepower would be fun to try!

Honestly, the car doesn't do it for me in the SS coupe version (odd dash, ridiculously small trunk opening and odd rear end treatment).....but the convertible at the last car show wasn't too bad, which is also slated to be built eventually (no date that I know of yet).

I do like the look of the Challenger SRT8 convertible conversions being done by Coach Builders or Mr Norm's though....just a little too crazy on price after all is said and done.

cromagnumman425

09-13-2009, 09:53 PM

Yes....I heard the other day from a very reliable GM source that the Z28 is coming next year in the late Spring with the LS7 Supercharged (550-ish crank HP like you say....a little less than the ZR1 as usual). Drawings of this car look interesting with the raise cowl induction hood.....especially in black or silver. Apparently the car is finished and there are a few test mules around Detroit, but the car was put on hold during the recent GM restructuing. Lowered with an upgraded suspension, 6 speed and that horsepower would be fun to try!

Honestly, the car doesn't do it for me in the SS coupe version (odd dash, ridiculously small trunk opening and odd rear end treatment).....but the convertible at the last car show wasn't too bad, which is also slated to be built eventually (no date that I know of yet).

I do like the look of the Challenger SRT8 convertible conversions being done by Coach Builders or Mr Norm's though....just a little too crazy on price after all is said and done.

Everyone has their own opinion but I can tell you from first hand knowledge that it does not have a redicously small trunk. Open one and look in you will be suprised at the size. I will say as well that the ride is awesome and the car is so much fun to drive. The size adds to that as it has a truer pony car size. I love the look of the Challenger and the only draw back for it is the size as it feels just like my Magnum from the driver seat.

cromagnumman425

09-13-2009, 10:13 PM

Here are some photos of our Camaro in Blue Metallic with white stripes. We got the 19 inch rims to help the look. It is to be my wife's car so it is the 6 cyl. Also I have purchased a new Corvette and MSRT8 in the past couple years so I was spent out as far as cars go. What I like about the 6cyl Camaro over the 6 Cyl Challenger is the Camaro has 54 more hp than the Chally and I got a 6 spd manual witch is not allowed in the Chally. The 6 spd adds a lot of fun factor to the 304 hp 6. Dodge needs to step up to the plate with their 6 cyl.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj306/mydogbeau/020-1.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj306/mydogbeau/025.jpg

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Magnumb_SRT

09-13-2009, 10:47 PM

Everyone has their own opinion but I can tell you from first hand knowledge that it does not have a redicously small trunk. Open one and look in you will be suprised at the size. I will say as well that the ride is awesome and the car is so much fun to drive. The size adds to that as it has a truer pony car size. I love the look of the Challenger and the only draw back for it is the size as it feels just like my Magnum from the driver seat.

I wasn't commenting on the size of the trunk but more the opening. I highlighly doubt my golf club bag would fit, which is my judge for minimum size LOL.

To be fair, I haven't had a chance to drive a new Camaro, but have driven the Challenger SRT8 a few times and although it is very nice, agree it feels large like my Magnum.

The new Camaro looks completely different in dark colors than light for sure.....saw a yellow one up close and looked wedgie and huge, but in black was quite striking and didn't look as big.

As you stated....everyone has their own opinion and tastes.

Talking about the new Camaro, I was at the Trans Am Nationals in Dayton, Ohio a few weeks ago and they unveiled the upcoming 2010 Pheonix Trans Am (from Trans AM Depot) built off the Camaro (like always).

Originally I didn't like the drawings but seeing it in person wasn't too bad (other than the rear tail which they have too straight up...needed to be slanted towards the rear more). Take a look (the shaker is functional btw):

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01007.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01006.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01010.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01009.jpg

I like this concept drawing more (which hope they build as I have a 69 just like it):

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/kmconcepts26.jpg

cromagnumman425

09-13-2009, 11:04 PM

I wasn't commenting on the size of the trunk but more the opening. I highlighly doubt my golf club bag would fit, which is my judge for minimum size LOL.

To be fair, I haven't had a chance to drive a new Camaro, but have driven the Challenger SRT8 a few times and although it is very nice, agree it feels large like my Magnum.

The new Camaro looks completely different in dark colors than light for sure.....saw a yellow one up close and looked wedgie and huge, but in black was quite striking and didn't look as big.

As you stated....everyone has their own opinion and tastes.

Talking about the new Camaro, I was at the Trans Am Nationals in Dayton, Ohio a few weeks ago and they unveiled the upcoming 2010 Pheonix Trans Am (from Trans AM Depot) built off the Camaro (like always).

Originally I didn't like the drawings but seeing it in person wasn't too bad (other than the rear tail which they have too straight up...needed to be slanted towards the rear more). Take a look (the shaker is functional btw):

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01007.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01006.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01010.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/DSC01009.jpg

I like this concept drawing more (which hope they build as I have a 69 just like it):

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q222/Magnumb_SRT8/kmconcepts26.jpg

My bad on the trunk comment. I wasn't mad just pointing out the trunk size but see now you ment the opening. I visited the TA Nats and saw that car as well my thoughts were the same as your on the rear spoiler.

Yeah everyone has their own opinion so I try not to let opinion bother me. I figured some may hate my car but I posted photos anyway for the sake of conversation and I will have to live with the negitive comments if any. LOL

firepower

09-13-2009, 11:43 PM

The Challenger is just a classier looking car.

FinallyCharged

09-14-2009, 12:09 AM

i still like your car better too :)

cromagnumman425

09-14-2009, 01:02 AM

The Challenger is just a classier looking car.

You will never hear me complain about the look of the Challenger. They got that right and I do wish Chevy would have been a little more retro with the Camaro.

2005_300c

09-14-2009, 08:18 AM

the camaro is hands down a better value for the money, you can debate it all day long, i love the challenger but you need an srt8 to compete

Schen

09-14-2009, 08:18 AM

wheel weights on the brakes, nose cracks above 150, battery cable comes loose...

I'll take the Challenger.

--RS

novawagonmaster

09-14-2009, 11:19 AM

Styling alone make the Challenger a winner in my book. I could care less if it's bigger, heavier, slower, more expensive, made on Mars... doesn't matter. The Challenger is dead sexy at any speed including zero mph. I love the "Rock Star" status that came with the keys. It's hard to explain, but it is real.

DaILLestWun

09-14-2009, 11:35 AM

Both look great but I'd take the Camaro. Challenger at times looks kinda plain to me. The Camaro has a bunch of different things that make it stand out.

Crazy how many different opinions there are out here.

FL3JM

09-14-2009, 12:53 PM

I would pick the Camaro, looks meaner and it has a manual gearbox.

If the Challenger had a dual clutch autoshifter (7 gears and crazy fast shifting), i would probably pick it, but it will probably take about 10 more years before Dodge starts to use something as "high tech" as that. :(

Schen

09-14-2009, 01:06 PM

I would pick the Camaro, looks meaner and it has a manual gearbox.
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why yes, it does...so does the Challenger. Are we missing things in Sweden?

--RS

Green_Manalishi

09-14-2009, 01:50 PM

DISCLAIMER: The opinion expressed above is that of the author only and does not, in any way, represent the views of all fuddy duddies and crotchity old farts on the site.

You can add me to the list. :mrgreen:

BTW- that Trans Am is fugly.

jhs914

09-14-2009, 01:55 PM

wheel weights on the brakes, nose cracks above 150, battery cable comes loose.......and transmissions/differentials breaking on SS models.

OLJustice

09-14-2009, 02:13 PM

I'd get a camaro. Interior is hideous, it's rear is uninspired and a bit cartoonish, and it has more blind spots than a tractor trailer but it's faster than an SRT8 LX/LC, responds better to mods, CHEAPER to mod, smaller & lighter (which means it handles better in turns... which aint a hard thing to do when compared to the horrible handling of LX/LC cars), looks more aggressive, and cheaper to buy on average... albeit I'll admit it doesn't have as many feature options as the SRTs.

To me its a no-brainer. I know this is a Mopar forum and there are a lot of die-hard mopar fans here... but the facts can't be ignored. The Chally is a damn good looking car but it looks like f*cking land-yacht. It is simply too big. Another testimate of Chrysler's cheap strategy of "shortening" the LX platform (by what? a very few measly inches? lol) rather than taking it back to the drawing board and figuring out how to improve on the LX platform which is PLAGUED with suspension component issues and failures. Idk why you guys are pointing out Camaro's known problems like our cars are staples of reliability. GTF out of here... lets stop being fanboys and be real. How many here have replaced all kinds of rods, arms and cones (lol) and sh*t on these cars in the first 2 years? Come on... Rotors that warp when you look at them the wrong way, and last time I checked... Challys come with weights on the wheels too.

Camaro may have some normal 1st year issues... but its a BRAND NEW PLATFORM and that has to be expected. IMO anyone who knows anything about cars knows that you NEVER buy a 1st year platform car anyway. It does have a cartoonish rear end w/a Playskoolesque interior, but they hit a home run with the drivetrain & powertrain. Suspension ain't that bad either. I love my Mopar but I'm tired of giving Chrysler a 'free pass' just b/c I own an LX. They missed the mark with the Chally.

Camaro FTW.

Let the flaming begin.

TheDarkKnight

09-14-2009, 02:17 PM

Challenger is way better looking IMO! I wonder if they keep there documents from their recalls lol!!!

JarZ

09-14-2009, 02:23 PM

Wow the Challenger looks about 900 times better than the Camaro!!!

MikeEast

09-14-2009, 02:27 PM

That's one real nice looking V6 Camaro - the dark blue really looks pretty nice and the hood sets it off very well.

I wouldn't buy one - but then I'm not buying a Challenger either.

I'm keeping my Magnum - there's not enough 'special' or 'different' in either of those cars to tempt me into another round of car payments.

Mike

Ron380

09-14-2009, 02:30 PM

Hey Cromagnumman- one of my coworkers brought home a new Camaro last Thursday evening- almost identical to yours! His has silver stripes, where yours are white, but his is the dark, metallic blue, V6, 6-spd., RS package. I got to see it Friday at work. That metallic blue is gorgeous under the full sun! It's the first time I've seen a new one in-person, and I liked it quite a bit! The interior was better than I was expecting, actually. I do think the trunk opening is surprisingly small, too. (I'll let you know if he can get his golf bags in there, that IS important to him!)

Most of the problems I've read about with the Camaro's involve the V8, SS models. The V6's seem to be doing much better in that department. :thumbs_u:

I was hoping for this model of Trans-Am, myself:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/jedironin380/trans_am2009.jpg

hmk123

09-14-2009, 02:47 PM

... (which means it handles better in turns... which aint a hard thing to do when compared to the horrible handling of LX/LC cars), looks more aggressive, and cheaper to buy on average...

So where is that all of a sudden coming from, that LX cars don't handle well? You read it a lot in those pony car comparisons, too. Has the automotive industry made so much advances in the past 12 to 24 months? Because when car mags test drove the 2008 Challenger SRT8 they praised its handling: "This is not like the pony cars of the seventies, this thing can handle." Now all of a sudden you read it's only good again for the straight line??? The 2006 Magnum SRT8s were outperforming AMGs on the track when they were compared. How can these be horrible handling cars? My friend always has a blast taking his MSRT8 to Laguna Seca and he says he is amazed how well it handles and how he can hold his own against many more expensive sports cars. To me there is some BS going on in the auto press these days. Chrysler is down so they don't mind beating on it... (granted, them putting RSAs instead of F1s on the cars doesn't help, but still).

OLJustice

09-14-2009, 02:52 PM

So where is that all of a sudden coming from, that LX cars don't handle well? You read it a lot in those pony car comparisons, too. Has the automotive industry made so much advances in the past 12 to 24 months? Because when car mags test drove the 2008 Challenger SRT8 they praised its handling: "This is not like the pony cars of the seventies, this thing can handle." Now all of a sudden you read it's only good again for the straight line??? The 2006 Magnum SRT8s were outperforming AMGs on the track when they were compared. How can these be horrible handling cars? My friend always has a blast taking his MSRT8 to Laguna Seca and he says he is amazed how well it handles and how he can hold his own against many more expensive sports cars. To me there is some BS going on in the auto press these days. Chrysler is down so they don't mind beating on it... (granted, them putting RSAs instead of F1s on the cars doesn't help, but still).

No. They don't. I don't think that's groundbreaking news for anyone here on the forums :roll:.

This isn't coming from someone reading car mags. Can you see my user info? I've owned 2 LX's. They handle like boats. I shouldn't have to put 3grand in overpriced plastic bushings and coilovers in my car to get it to handle ON PAR with the cars in the same market segment its competing with.

FRESH4849

09-14-2009, 03:12 PM

Wow the Challenger looks about 900 times better than the Camaro!!!

I agree! the more I look at the camaro the less I like it. The challenger is clean and looks more retro than the camaro

C-Mack

09-14-2009, 03:43 PM

BDA1855

09-14-2009, 04:04 PM

Camaro is a mean looking car and can run... but anyone over 6'1" will have issues being comfortable in that car... no thanks... ill take the Challenger and feel like im driving around in a lazy boy...

TheDarkKnight

09-14-2009, 04:16 PM

We need an interior comparison! Lol at the inside of those Chevy Camaro's!

cromagnumman425

09-14-2009, 09:44 PM

why yes, it does...so does the Challenger. Are we missing things in Sweden?

--RS
No manual with the six cyl challenger but there is with the Camaro.

As far as the quality issues mentioned on the Camaro, they were all issues fixed very early on and are no longer an issue. My Camaro has been flawless and is an absolute pleasure to drive.

Steve HR Hooligan

09-14-2009, 09:55 PM

Leme Know Steve your next trip out to the East coast, I can help drive!:rock: :-)

only if i can take your ride for a spin:)

MattRMagnum

09-15-2009, 02:20 AM

I would pick the Camaro, looks meaner and it has a manual gearbox.
I don't know about previous years, but I know that, as of 2010, you can order the Chally with a Manual. I just don't think you can opt to buy it like that on the lot.

CroMag: Your Camaro is the first I've seen that I can definitely say I like the look of. All the ones I've seen have been light colored. I may have to give it another look in a darker color.

bigal470

09-15-2009, 02:40 AM

Camaro is lame one more vote for the Chally

cromagnumman425

09-15-2009, 08:35 AM

I don't know about previous years, but I know that, as of 2010, you can order the Chally with a Manual. I just don't think you can opt to buy it like that on the lot.

CroMag: Your Camaro is the first I've seen that I can definitely say I like the look of. All the ones I've seen have been light colored. I may have to give it another look in a darker color.

Thank You

Dose

09-15-2009, 10:16 AM

Ugh here we go...I go back and forth about these 2 cars on a regular basis. Just bought the Road and Track Mag about Cam vs Chally vs Mustang.... But I think the cars are 2 totally different looks. The Maro has a sports car look, and feel. The Chally is str8 muscle. And just want to add, that the Camaro in the pic is not even an SS...they SS looks a lot better IMO. But for the money....Camaro wins...more bang for the buck....For the Looks...wellI lean a little bit more towards the Chally...but I would rather just have both

gooeytek

09-15-2009, 10:18 AM

One really captures what makes the design a true modern version when put side by side with the model year that made it a classic. The proportions, the lines in the sheetmetal, the glass, the hood, all merge to form a fitting interpretation of the much-coveted original.

The other one is, well, a failed attempt at capturing the retro feel of the classic it was designed to hint at. Just another camaro.

stevesrt8

09-15-2009, 11:36 AM

2005_300c

09-15-2009, 12:34 PM

I really need to test drive and sit in the maro, i am 6'3" 256lbs many of LXer's are big guys so if you dont fit in the car who cares how much better it is for the money, I also need to haul kids,

TTMR

09-15-2009, 02:24 PM

The other is a proven winner that responds to mods as only an LSx anything can...
I'm going to have to admit that I'm in love with a LSJ, If I weren't planning on running SCCA with it you can double the power for about $4k.

Now as far as bad handling on the LX, there are a few of us that might take issue with that statement, not to mention the pasta rockets in my rearview from MidOhio.

MeatheadsMagnum

09-15-2009, 07:20 PM

let's ignore the look, very subjective.

One is an aging dinosaur, fitted with outdated technology from a bygone age, expensive to mod and not much bang for your buck.

The other is a proven winner that responds to mods as only an LSx anything can...

Yes it's just another Chevy! And it's way out in front of us poor Mopar owners. Both in HP and in reliability.

I'm not sure what is so outdated about the LX and so updated about the Camaro...that can be reather subjective as well to people that don't like fixing things that aren't broke.

Why do you drive an SRT8?

And any rate, the LX really isn't a pony car, nor a sports car is it?. And the only reason there is a magazine race between them is dodge really doesn't offer anything else and slapped a name plate that says charger on it. The challenger is more of a pony car than the 3 door 300c, Magnum, and Charger, but that is iffy at best. That said the SRT8 challenger is right on par with the new Mustand, new Camaro, and everything else in its price range, and I'm tired of hearing the Camaro SS is a $33,000 bargain. I have yet to see one go for under 40k locally because dealers simply don't have stripped versions. There is still dealer markup as well. That doesn't mean people haven't bought them at that price, but that for sure is not the norm. Having driven an LS1 car(S) for 6 years I agree its a great motor! Its a different animal though. I frankly like driving my big boat. Its quiet and can get up and go when I needs it to, and doesn't feel like the rear end is going to fall out over bumps like my trans am did. I'm sure the new Camaro doesn't have that problem though. It looks like a solid car. It just doesn't do much for me.

I think the Camaro's looks aren't quite right. I think the new Mustangs are more attractive, and well as the Challengers.

cromagnumman425

09-15-2009, 11:31 PM

One thing I think is a must on the Camaro is the 4 pack gages on the console like the 69 had. It helps the interior looks quite a bit. You can only get them in the 2LT or 2SS.

Green_Manalishi

09-16-2009, 02:23 AM

One thing I think is a must on the Camaro is the 4 pack gages on the console like the 69 had. It helps the interior looks quite a bit. You can only get them in the 2LT or 2SS.

I'll respectfully have to disagree on that one. It was a mistake to put the gauges there in 69, and they didn't learn.

I had a '69. The gauges there sucked.

JarZ

09-16-2009, 09:21 AM

Yes it's just another Chevy! And it's way out in front of us poor Mopar owners. Both in HP and in reliability.

Since when are the LX cars unreliable? I've had three Mopars, all of which have been super reliable where as the few Chevys I have driven (except for an 07 Tahoe) felt like the biggest piles of crap on the planet. The Corvette is amazing. The rest...well....

DaILLestWun

09-16-2009, 03:16 PM

Well my LX had the engine blow withint the first 30 days. Yes I bought it new. It was a problem with sand debris getting into the engine during the build. And let me not get into the whole situation of the brakes on these cars. Ugghh!!!

jhs914

09-16-2009, 05:41 PM

I'll respectfully have to disagree on that one. It was a mistake to put the gauges there in 69, and they didn't learn.

I had a '69. The gauges there sucked.Ditto. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. Instead of glancing down at the dash with just your eyes to check the gauges, you have to look down at the console, then the road ahead is no longer in your peripheral vision.

What really turns me off about the interior is that Tonka Toy/Transformer gadget radio knob.

alexbl

09-16-2009, 08:29 PM

iv seen a few and the ones iv seen look like they are 4wd i dont no why but its like the rear end is way up in the air and it ruens the entire look of the car so id still take a challenger... well who wouldnt?

Magnumb_SRT

09-16-2009, 08:32 PM

Ditto. I didn't like them then, and I don't like them now. Instead of glancing down at the dash with just your eyes to check the gauges, you have to look down at the console, then the road ahead is no longer in your peripheral vision.

What really turns me off about the interior is that Tonka Toy/Transformer gadget radio knob.

Well said and exactly how I feel. I prefer the stacked gauges in my 69 Trans Am that are in eye view in the dash beside the tach.

08blkrt

09-16-2009, 09:13 PM

I'd take the Challenger over the Camaro. I don't like the back end at all on it, and the interior is worse looking than in my '86, and it was pretty ugly. Those guages and especially that horrible looking steering wheel just turn me off. I kind of miss the old cars where you could in a few minutes, just pop off the old wheel and put whatever one you wanted on it. Your only worry was if the horn worked, and you didn't have to worry about air bags and lights coming on, etc.