Toyo Proxes4 or Yokohama Parada Spec-X?

[TB107]

Well, I'm looking for tires for my MSRT rims that I bought last year. I currently have GY F1 GS-D3s on my stocker 18s in a 255/55 size. If GY made an appropriate size in that model tire for the 20" rim, then I would go with that tire again because the handling was (quite frankly) out of this world! But GY doesn't and I have to go with another brand.

So, coming off the GS-D3s, which tire would make me happy? Toyo or Yoko? The tire guy said that I should be happy with either one but that was before he knew what was currently on my car. After I told him, he seemed a little nervous about those offerings and said: Well, those GS-D3s are in a league of their own. So fellow Charger owners, which one would best suit my needs given that I have absolutely loved my Goodyears? The GS-D3s have lasted me 21,000 miles, and they are now done! Time to put on those 20s.

I will be going with 245/45 in the front, and 275 in the back.

Thanks to all who reply. :beerchug:

[Ron380]

Well... what kind of driving and what weather conditions will you be dealing with? I haven't used the Proxes4 on my Charger, but I do have the Parada Spec-X, 255/45/20 on now. I like them alot! I would say they are a "Good" handling tire dry, "Very Good" wet and still "Good" in snow.

I had some very worn Proxes4 on the Miata I bought recently, and they were terrible in heavy rain! (Granted, all 4 tires were down to the wear bars...)

[TB107]

Ron, I usually drive aggressively when the circumstances permit...I like to tear around on the back roads. Car never sees snow, so those conditions don't apply. I am leaning to the Spec-X to give them a shot, but I had been looking at the Toyos before those. I know the Spec-Xs are loved by some but I want to know if people have run both...and which they liked better.

Do you have pics of the tires (close up? Sidewall?)

[typicalmarine]

I have the spec-x's and they are great besides being directional (I prefer to rotate often) and my tread didnt last very long.

[SoCalRT]

I have the Spec-X on now, but had Nitto Invo's before. The Invo's were smoother riding and quietier than the Spec-X, but the Spec-X tread is lasting longer...

[mcshocks]

I run the spec-x tires and really like them other than 2 real complaints, number one the tread is directional as pointed out, number 2 the lip/edge of them doesn't cover the rims edge very well (I personally prefer a tire that will recess the wheel edge a tad). Other than that they handle great in the rain and on dry pavement.

[Ron380]

I should also mention that I ran these at Mid Ohio last year... they were "okay" on the road course, but complained quite a bit! Very well-balanced though, I knew the tires were complaining, but I was told by some drivers after the run that I was not just understeering, I was actually a little into a 4-wheel drift! I didn't even know it! So- they're very predictable, and really let you know when you're approaching (or over) the limits. Not the best track tire, but easy to work with!

How's this for a picture?
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/jedironin380/Charger%20SXT%20AWD/301093.jpg

[TB107]

I have the spec-x's and they are great besides being directional (I prefer to rotate often) and my tread didnt last very long.

I don't mind the tread being directional as my GS-D3s were directional and I had no problem with wear. One just has to keep on top of alignments, balancing and air pressure. How long did your tread last? I got 21,000 out of my GS-D3s...so if the Spec-X lasts longer than that, then I will be pleased!

I have the Spec-X on now, but had Nitto Invo's before. The Invo's were smoother riding and quietier than the Spec-X, but the Spec-X tread is lasting longer...

I was going to go with Invos at one point but heard some people complain that the sidewall was not as strong as it ought have been...hence the 'smooth' ride. How many miles on your tires?

I run the spec-x tires and really like them other than 2 real complaints, number one the tread is directional as pointed out, number 2 the lip/edge of them doesn't cover the rims edge very well (I personally prefer a tire that will recess the wheel edge a tad). Other than that they handle great in the rain and on dry pavement.

Directional, I don't mind. I, too, like rim protectors on the tire but these don't look too bad. Thanks for the review!

I should also mention that I ran these at Mid Ohio last year... they were "okay" on the road course, but complained quite a bit! Very well-balanced though, I knew the tires were complaining, but I was told by some drivers after the run that I was not just understeering, I was actually a little into a 4-wheel drift! I didn't even know it! So- they're very predictable, and really let you know when you're approaching (or over) the limits. Not the best track tire, but easy to work with!

How's this for a picture?
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii318/jedironin380/Charger%20SXT%20AWD/301093.jpg

Thanks for the pic, and the honest review...and predictability is always good! :rock:

4 wheel drift, huh? :mrgreen:

[eldiablosrt8]

i ran a full season of scca on a set of prada specs and did two open drift days.... they are amazing tires for the price

[TB107]

i ran a full season of scca on a set of prada specs and did two open drift days.... they are amazing tires for the price

Thanks for the feedback!

[bryan_k47]

Never drove with the Yoko's so i can't give any input on those, but i do have the same size set up on my Charger Proxes 245/zr20 in front and 275/40zr20 in the rear , very minimal wear on the fronts after 15000 km and i will be replacing the rears with new ones soon cause i liketo spin them every once in awhile,,, they just grip and shot for the most part, for the first 10000k i had to put effort into spinning them Not sure is they are any good in the snow I parked the car this winter, but as for a 3 season tire they are great in my opinion Good luck

[TB107]

Never drove with the Yoko's so i can't give any input on those, but i do have the same size set up on my Charger Proxes 245/zr20 in front and 275/40zr20 in the rear , very minimal wear on the fronts after 15000 km and i will be replacing the rears with new ones soon cause i liketo spin them every once in awhile,,, they just grip and shot for the most part, for the first 10000k i had to put effort into spinning them Not sure is they are any good in the snow I parked the car this winter, but as for a 3 season tire they are great in my opinion Good luck

Hahaha...front barely any wear after 15,000 and you need to replace the backs...I would say that you like to spin them!!!

Thanks!

[SoCalRT]

I got about 30k out of the Invos, but a full day of autocross finished them off, and I'm at 35K on the Spec-X and still have a lot of tread left...

[TB107]

I got about 30k out of the Invos, but a full day of autocross finished them off, and I'm at 35K on the Spec-X and still have a lot of tread left...

So the Spec-X seems to last pretty long. Have you autocrossed with the Spec-Xs?

Thanks!

[05silvhemimag]

i have spec xs and alot of front tread and half of rear on about 15,000 miles and i like to do a burn out every once in a great time.....im staggered so i have to rotate buy taking the tire off of the wheel...

[BIG_ron_STUD]

i have spec xs and alot of front tread and half of rear on about 15,000 miles and i like to do a burn out every once in a great time.....im staggered so i have to rotate buy taking the tire off of the wheel...
05silvhemimag i was reading your sig and see that your running the same wheels and tires that i'll be running. i brought my wheels last month. i'm also running "Avarus 20x8.5 & 20x10" with spec xs. my tires should be on tuesday. i'll be running 255/45/20 in the front & 275/40/20 in the back. do you have any problems with rubbing in the back? sorry for the thread jack.:hijack:

[TB107]

i have spec xs and alot of front tread and half of rear on about 15,000 miles and i like to do a burn out every once in a great time.....im staggered so i have to rotate buy taking the tire off of the wheel...

Thanks silvhemimag.

What size are you running? Although my rims are not staggered, I will be running a 245/45 & 275/40 set up. :banana:

05silvhemimag i was reading your sig and see that your running the same wheels and tires that i'll be running. i brought my wheels last month. i'm also running "Avarus 20x8.5 & 20x10" with spec xs. my tires should be on tuesday. i'll be running 255/45/20 in the front & 275/40/20 in the back. do you have any problems with rubbing in the back? sorry for the thread jack.:hijack:
No problem for the hijack... You should see what I'm capable of over at the Charger forum s...heheheh

Why sre you running a slightly taller tire in the front? Did you know this when you ordered?

[BIG_ron_STUD]

no i didn't know that. that's what i was told would work for my ride.

[TB107]

no i didn't know that. that's what i was told would work for my ride.

Let us know if you can see the difference when they are installed...if you still choose to go with a 255/45 in the front.

[wolfmann21]

so what was the verdict TB? was just on tirerack myself and came across, you guessed it lol, the yoko's

any thoughts? ur driving style sounds something like mine ;) figured you'd have some good feedback lol

[TB107]

The verdict is that I sold my MSRT wheels without ever mounting them or buying tires for them!

I ended up buying new tires for my Daytona rims...Yokohama ADVAN STs. Pretty awesome summer tire!

[fargo59]

i need to get someone to loan me a set of the yokohama's for a day or so. i keep hearing theyre louder but work better for the application. proxes 4 arent that great in the wet. even worse in the snow. i have 45,000km on mine now, rotated twice. they're wearing well but i do wish we had better alternatives.

[TB107]

Just based on my past and present experiences with Yokohama tires, I would recommend the Yokos...nothing against Toyos (my wife's car has Toyos) but I keep hearing the same thing about the Proxes 4.

[stevesrt8]

at my last major track event a set of Toyo Proxes 4 set low lap in our class!

The instructors were stunned that it was an all season tire.

A very cheap, extremely good street tire.

[billd56]

i need to get someone to loan me a set of the yokohama's for a day or so. i keep hearing theyre louder but work better for the application. proxes 4 arent that great in the wet. even worse in the snow. i have 45,000km on mine now, rotated twice. they're wearing well but i do wish we had better alternatives.

I've got the yoko's if you wanted to take them for a spin.

Amanda

[MAGGUT]

Ive run both on my car. Currently I have the Yokos, previously were the Toyos. I run 22" wheels so the ride quality Ive experienced may be different than someone using a 20" wheel.

Toyos:
Very nice sidewall (nice typical Toyo designs) and tread pattern.
Use "curb protector" to lip out where they meet the wheels, which also lends to better looks
Tire Wear Rating - 300
Yokos:
Not so appealing sidewall (ribbed pattern) and tread (looks like a truck tire)
No "curb protector" so wheels appear to stick out
Tire Wear Rating - 420 (should wear better and last longer)

My personal opinion on Ride Quality is that the Yokos are nicer. They are quieter and less harsh. If I were to choose again, I think I would go with the Toyos, only because they are much better looking, and I tend not to care so much about Ride Quality. If I wanted a cushy ride I would have left the stock 17s on the car. The Yokos were less expensive for me to buy, and were the only ones available immediately when I was stranded on vacation after one of the Toyos blew.

[Eric Bryant]

at my last major track event a set of Toyo Proxes 4 set low lap in our class!

The instructors were stunned that it was an all season tire.

A very cheap, extremely good street tire.

Yes, I'm extremely impressed with the dry-weather grip of the Proxes 4 - they behave much more like a summer-only tire than an all-weather tire with a M&S rating. They're pretty good in the wet, too. Haven't yet experienced them in the snow - that'll happen in a couple more months.

I'm very likely to buy them again.

[diablotoona]

I have the Toyo's on my srt8 and the Yoko's on the wifes 5.7, both have srt wheels on them.
I would take the Yoko's hands down, they handle very similar in wet and dry.
But the Toyos are harsh and LOUD, mine especially has some harmonic noise at 78mph and 88mph that is beyond annoying, if the car did not have them on there brand new when i bought it they would of been gone by now, could just be a defect or something but i have heard similar complains from other Toyo owners.
My 2 cents...

[hemied]

My Toyos are very quiet and seem not to be wearing at all. My ride is not perfect but I can't blame it on the tires...It's probably the 22's with lowering springs.

I don't track so I don't have any good grip advise.

[EricG]

I have been happy with my Toyos, but have no experience with the Yokos. I kind of want to give them a try because they are a good $20 cheaper per tire than the Toyos. But I am also a stick with what is working type of guy...in person the Yokos look like an SUV tire and have a very chopped up tread pattern that made me think they would not stick as good as the Toyos...but maybe give better snow grip...again, I would like to give the a try. Thanks for the comparison diablotoona...