Who's Valve body should I buy?

[GasGunR]

Seems there is at least a couple out there. Looking for one that will sharpen up the upshifts, without putting me, (actually more worried about the wife!), through the windshield during normal downshifts.

$2K for a TCM is out of the budget for the time being, I have too many other mods in the works... so a valve body / Mopar TCM maybe what I need?

How much difference is there between the original un Banditized '06 SRT TCM, and the Mopar TCM? What are the differences if anyone knows, and is it a worthwhile mod on a modified, head, cam, LT header ported intake 6.1 that may soon see a little nitrous work?

Feel free to start new threads for discussion!

Thanks,

Don

[BuilderBill]

Seems there is at least a couple out there. Looking for one that will sharpen up the upshifts, without putting me, (actually more worried about the wife!), through the windshield during normal downshifts.

$2K for a TCM is out of the budget for the time being, I have too many other mods in the works... so a valve body / Mopar TCM maybe what I need?

How much difference is there between the original un Banditized '06 SRT TCM, and the Mopar TCM? What are the differences if anyone knows, and is it a worthwhile mod on a modified, head, cam, LT header ported intake 6.1 that may soon see a little nitrous work?

Feel free to start new threads for discussion!

Thanks,

Don
Don,
Quite frankly, the Blue solenoids are VERY hard on the downshifts.
I'll be happy to supply the part numbers....about $ 160 per....2 req'd.

I have a valve body mod that is easier on the downshifts and only increases the pressure to the solenoids on the upshifts.
PM me if interested, I'm NOT in the valve body mod business, typically this is only done on the NAG1's I sell.

If you have a pre-'07 I would start with a MTCM. My reprogrammed TCM's (07's +) start at $995.00
Bill

[Adanac Charger]

Builder... PM sent.

Thanks

[8 UR LS]

Don,
Quite frankly, the Blue solenoids are VERY hard on the downshifts.
I'll be happy to supply the part numbers....about $ 160 per....2 req'd.

I have a valve body mod that is easier on the downshifts and only increases the pressure to the solenoids on the upshifts.
PM me if interested, I'm NOT in the valve body mod business, typically this is only done on the NAG1's I sell.

If you have a pre-'07 I would start with a MTCM. My reprogrammed TCM's (07's +) start at $995.00
Bill
:doh:

[MoePar]

I have a 06 srt8, PPP Heads, Cam, 426, etc. I currently have the Mopar TCM with the stock transmission. The MTCM defieately makes the transmission shift firmer and quicker than the stock TCM. After driving my car and then driving a similar modded srt8 426 with stock TCM, I really noticed the difference on how much better my car performed.

[GasGunR]

Guess I'll have to price the Mopar Performance one again from my dealer. Does it raise shift points? Any other anomolies that make it act differently than the stock TCM other than when you are banging on it of course?

[GasGunR]

Thanks Bill,

I'm going to PM you soon, just trying to learn the right questions to ask;) and an understanding of how these things work together so I don't sound so stupid when I'm asking them!

Don,
Quite frankly, the Blue solenoids are VERY hard on the downshifts.
I'll be happy to supply the part numbers....about $ 160 per....2 req'd.

I have a valve body mod that is easier on the downshifts and only increases the pressure to the solenoids on the upshifts.
PM me if interested, I'm NOT in the valve body mod business, typically this is only done on the NAG1's I sell.

If you have a pre-'07 I would start with a MTCM. My reprogrammed TCM's (07's +) start at $995.00
Bill

[FlyByU]

I have the valve body mods from Southern Hotrod and Im in love with it.

Down shifts are firm, not hard.

[FlyByU]

By the way, Ill be at Englishtown tomorrrow. I hope to have some REAL feedback for you guys then.

[SublimeDaytona268]

OK, Im kinda late to the party here in the whole transmission game....

But, how much does a Mopar TCM cost? Will it work with my 07 R/T?

How much does the upgraded valve body run?

Not that Im seriously in the market right at this particular moment, but Im just curious. Gotta keep updating "the list" ya know..... ;)

-Pat

[1FST4DR]

Don,Just installed the Mopar TCM and i like it.Got it from Moes performance.Hes a vendor here.Good price and fast shipping.Definitly worth the couple hundred bucks

[FloridaRT]

Don,Just installed the Mopar TCM and i like it.Got it from Moes performance.Hes a vendor here.Good price and fast shipping.Definitly worth the couple hundred bucks


Not to appear dumb, but where is the TCM located at and what is envolved to change one??????????????? :doh:

Bob

[MadCharger]

Not to appear dumb, but where is the TCM located at and what is envolved to change one??????????????? :doh:

Bob

Just under the steering column, behind the plastic panel. Takes about 5-10 minutes to remove the panel, double side tape the MPTCM to the stocker, and switch the connections to it......

[70gto]

So it does not need a flash ? I have a hhp tcm that does nothing, what does the mopar tcm do.

[MadCharger]

So it does not need a flash ? I have a hhp tcm that does nothing, what does the mopar tcm do.

No flash required - just a learn procedure that you do on a back road somewhere. The MPTCM increases shift firmness, electronically increases stall (for use with a higher stall converter), and will lock the converter up sooner once out of first gear.

Not sure what the HHP TCM does. I thought they may have been earlier production TCM's that were more agressive than the later models.

[richierevs]

I have the valve body mods from Southern Hotrod and Im in love with it.

Down shifts are firm, not hard.

Ditto here. As mentioned in other posts the SHR mod complements the 2800 stall TC.

[dudeiwin86]

i payed 230 at my *dealership* for my mopar tcm.

i cant stand driving with it every day because of the way it behaves.
during coast down... when you get to 1500 rpms it bucks over and over and over and over (i thought it was the stock tq converter... it still does it at the exact same rpm's as before even after i got my PT2800)

MTCM removes auto-stick auto-upshift..
so from now on you have to get used to shifting by hand before you redline if youre in stick mode.


i had my rev limiter set to 6550 with the diablo before the MTCM, and now i dont rev limit until about 6700 rpms
shift points at 6400, in D it shifts 1-2 at 6000, and 2-3,3-4 at 6200. (give or take on those revs.. maybe a little more?)

MTCM shifting is great for the track, and the TC lockup is great,
but driving on the street is a pain,
not being able to flash the converter in 2,3,4, or even 5th gear is a bitch on the street when it comes to passing people, but not wanting to down shift,
it will always be locked unless your in first gear.

track only mod IMO
(if i didnt have to deal with the bucking, howver, i would leave it in for the street)

So it does not need a flash ? I have a hhp tcm that does nothing, what does the mopar tcm do.

did you ever write a predator tune with it installed? that may have wiped it out
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ANYWAYS ABOUT HTOSE VB's

Ditto here. As mentioned in other posts the SHR mod complements the 2800 stall TC.

in what way is that? (complimenting the stall?)

im very interested in this mod,
and using a solenoid only for the upshift?
hmmmm, how does that factor into anything else, or are they really "that separate?"

[FlyByU]

My SHR shift improver kit performed flawlessly at ETown on Saturday. Nailed a couple 10 second runs to boot :)

[70gto]

Dude, was the bucking in auto mode or manual shift

[dudeiwin86]

Dude, was the bucking in auto mode or manual shift

definately manual...
didnt pay too much attention to auto, i dont usually drive in that mode... but im 99% sure its both....

[typicalmarine]

i cant stand driving with it every day because of the way it behaves.during coast down... when you get to 1500 rpms it bucks over and over and over and over (i thought it was the stock tq converter... it still does it at the exact same rpm's as before even after i got my PT2800)

MTCM shifting is great for the track, and the TC lockup is great,
but driving on the street is a pain,
not being able to flash the converter in 2,3,4, or even 5th gear is a bitch on the street when it comes to passing people, but not wanting to down shift,
it will always be locked unless your in first gear.

track only mod IMO
(if i didnt have to deal with the bucking, howver, i would leave it in for the street)


This has to be due to your set up. I drive daily with mine in and wont even consider going back to the OEM unit. In my experience it makes daily driving just that more aggresive!

[dudeiwin86]

ive been told it may be cuz of my cam.
which i think is gonna get changed soon

[SouthernHotrod]

We just got a new batch of parts in for the SHR NAG1-SIP!

If you are interested, order here!

Southern Hotrod NAG1-SIP "Shift Improvement Package" (http://www.southernhotrod.com/store/product.php?productid=16663&cat=567&page=1)

[GasGunR]

actually I was hoping for a more descriptive post...

I'm looking to see what I should buy, not how to buy it... YET;)

We just got a new batch of parts in for the SHR NAG1-SIP!

If you are interested, order here!

Southern Hotrod NAG1-SIP "Shift Improvement Package" (http://www.southernhotrod.com/store/product.php?productid=16663&cat=567&page=1)

[GasGunR]

My original never been flashed '06 SRT TCM doesn't upshift in manaul either.i payed 230 at my *dealership* for my mopar tcm.

i cant stand driving with it every day because of the way it behaves.
during coast down... when you get to 1500 rpms it bucks over and over and over and over (i thought it was the stock tq converter... it still does it at the exact same rpm's as before even after i got my PT2800)

MTCM removes auto-stick auto-upshift..
so from now on you have to get used to shifting by hand before you redline if youre in stick mode.


i had my rev limiter set to 6550 with the diablo before the MTCM, and now i dont rev limit until about 6700 rpms
shift points at 6400, in D it shifts 1-2 at 6000, and 2-3,3-4 at 6200. (give or take on those revs.. maybe a little more?)

MTCM shifting is great for the track, and the TC lockup is great,
but driving on the street is a pain,
not being able to flash the converter in 2,3,4, or even 5th gear is a bitch on the street when it comes to passing people, but not wanting to down shift,
it will always be locked unless your in first gear.

track only mod IMO
(if i didnt have to deal with the bucking, howver, i would leave it in for the street)



did you ever write a predator tune with it installed? that may have wiped it out
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ANYWAYS ABOUT HTOSE VB's



in what way is that? (complimenting the stall?)

im very interested in this mod,
and using a solenoid only for the upshift?
hmmmm, how does that factor into anything else, or are they really "that separate?"

[richierevs]

Before installing the SHR NAG1-SIP I had the dealer do a flash update on my TCM and the ECU just to be safe, then I reapplied my custom tune. All is well with the SIP in both automatic and autostick.

[GasGunR]

Sip?

[richierevs]

Sip?

Sorry, Shift Improvement Package - the SHR replacement selenoids for the valve body.

[Tdola]

So........

1. What's the difference between Builder Bills and Southern Hotrods Solenoids other than Builder Bills costing $180 LESS ($320 vs $500)? Looks like nothing to me.

2. Are the Mopar TCM and these Solenoids doing the same thing but thru a different method (electronically vs mechanically)?

3. Could you do both of these mods on the same car? Expected Results?

4. Why is Builder Bills TCM so expensive? $1000 plus??? Wow!!!

Thanks!

[Maistro69]

So........

1. What's the difference between Builder Bills and Southern Hotrods Solenoids other than Builder Bills costing $180 LESS ($320 vs $500)? Looks like nothing to me.

Thanks!

There's no difference. Builder Bill is just being a azz hat trying to thwart any sales for SHR. It's a "cut my nose off to spite my face" type thing. They codeveloped the tranny upgrades together and then parted ways due to some disagreements. BB decided to pm SHR customers behind their back giving out info to (in theory) hurt SHR. :roll: Funny thing is it's actually steered buisiness SHR's way because people realize how underhanded it is. Very dissapointing to me as I had a lot of respect for BB and would've never guessed something like this. Live and learn.

No matter who you buy the valve body mod from it works and it works very well. :beerchug:

[Tdola]

There's no difference. Builder Bill is just being a azz hat trying to thwart any sales for SHR. It's a "cut my nose off to spite my face" type thing. They codeveloped the tranny upgrades together and then parted ways due to some disagreements. BB decided to pm SHR customers behind their back giving out info to (in theory) hurt SHR. :roll: Funny thing is it's actually steered buisiness SHR's way because people realize how underhanded it is. Very dissapointing to me as I had a lot of respect for BB and would've never guessed something like this. Live and learn.

No matter who you buy the valve body mod from it works and it works very well. :beerchug:

Thanks for the information!

[richierevs]

There's no difference. Builder Bill is just being a azz hat trying to thwart any sales for SHR. It's a "cut my nose off to spite my face" type thing. They codeveloped the tranny upgrades together and then parted ways due to some disagreements. BB decided to pm SHR customers behind their back giving out info to (in theory) hurt SHR. :roll: Funny thing is it's actually steered buisiness SHR's way because people realize how underhanded it is. Very dissapointing to me as I had a lot of respect for BB and would've never guessed something like this. Live and learn.

No matter who you buy the valve body mod from it works and it works very well. :beerchug:
^^^^And the selenoids from SHR are Mercedes so the ones from BB must be the same.

[BlaKDeviL]

What about only using 1 solenoid for upshifts, does this work or not work?

[USCG Charger]

BUILDER BILLS vB IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO IMO.

[Maistro69]

BUILDER BILLS vB IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO IMO.

It's the same thing and you know what they say about opinions :wink: No you cannot do 1 solenoid the tranny will freak out. Some of this R&D was done in my trans and it smoked the fluid in about 5 mins of testing.

[dudeiwin86]

It's the same thing and you know what they say about opinions :wink: No you cannot do 1 solenoid the tranny will freak out. Some of this R&D was done in my trans and it smoked the fluid in about 5 mins of testing.

guess i wont be taking builder bills "expert" word on it then, he said he could do one for just the upshift,

thanks for clearing that up maistro

[USCG Charger]

It's the same thing and you know what they say about opinions :wink: No you cannot do 1 solenoid the tranny will freak out. Some of this R&D was done in my trans and it smoked the fluid in about 5 mins of testing.

I can tell you Bill wouldn't put anything out there that would be harmful ur our cars period.... I have his 1st custom 8.8 in my car and it was obvious he took the time and used his vast knowledge to fab this to work like it was stock in my R/T/

guess i wont be taking builder bills "expert" word on it then, he said he could do one for just the upshift,

thanks for clearing that up maistro

Do I think Bill is an "Expert" prolly more so then anyone else in this field we are talkin about. His history with chrysler's tranny's is very impressive and whom better to call an "expert" then him on these forums????? Maistro? Hummm can u be our saving grace on these tranny's? Doubt it:not_worth

[FlyByU]

I can only speak for Eddie's/Southern Hotrods Valve Body mod, its awesome. Id recommend it to anybody :)

[Tdola]

How do you get in touch with Builder Bill? His website is down. I am interested in the solenoids. His price appears to be substantially cheaper than Souther Hotrods....for the same exact item. Sorry to hijack. :)

[USCG Charger]

How do you get in touch with Builder Bill? His website is down. I am interested in the solenoids. His price appears to be substantially cheaper than Souther Hotrods....for the same exact item. Sorry to hijack. :)

Just PM him he's on here every night....


Also I know dan is very pleased with his vb that he purchased from SHR and my other good friend Ujokin has Bills' VB that he's been driving with for a few months now that he loves as well....

[GasGunR]

He hasn't answered any PM's from me for a couple days, (BuilderBill)...

[dudeiwin86]

well to my knowledge, i dont think Bill had actually done the upshifto nly solenoid for anyone.
only said he could do it and itd work

maistro (whose car is has spent a long time at SHR, and im sure he has too) said they did it to his, and it was blowin smoke.

do i believe the "expert" with all these years or whatever who hasnt actually done it
or do i believe some one who has seen it happen.

less :swinger:, more facts plz

[USCG Charger]

I wish I could help u out more but I honestly dont know the answer to ur question.... I can only tell u that Bill is a very honest vendor who seems to put alot of hard work and thought into his products.


As far as the swinging guy I'm not the one....I would most certianly think that u wouldn't have the "big ball" mentality if u weren't hiding behind that screen :wink:

[GasGunR]

How about we get back to who's product does what... too much thread jacking going on here at the moment for my taste.

As the title of this thread states, I want to know who's VB to buy. Looking for better upshifts and perhaps a little longevity of the trans. without putting my bride through the windshield when it downshifts. If you have some info about that, please jump in here.

If you came here to bash vendors, any vendors, take it somewhere else please.

Thanks,

Don

[Maistro69]

Well I'm no saving grace but I can and will give you first hand accurate info. The solenoid's are the EXACT same part from either MB, BB, or SHR period. They do NOT work seperate or in conjunction with any other solenoid. I personally helped install them in MY car and helped change the burnt fluid in my car. Not a friend of a friend's car MY car just so were clear on that. I gave an honest evaluation of the vb mod to Eddie and Builder Bill at that time. It downshifts hard and it's not for everybody but in my book the downshifts are worth the solid upshifts. SHR makes a small profit if you buy from them but if you have a problem with installation you will have Eddies # for tech support which means alot especially if your doing it yourself. BB is giving part #'s but will he be there if you have an issue? Maybe maybe not, he's not even answering pm's now someone said. Hope this helps and please pm me or post any questions you have here.

[ujokin2]

GasGunR to answer your question ... at this point I believe that SHR has a viable VB upshift kit....

BuilderBill indicated he was not doing the upgraded VB that I have in my car independent of the transmission upgrade. Though I understand now that BB is working on another VB solution but I'm not sure the status.

FlybyU has stated he has complete faith in the SHR Kit... and given Maistro69's passion for SHR abilities I believe his recommendations and tests stands on good ground.

I would recommend BuilderBill in a minute but for me to say you should chose BB's over SHR is like me saying HHP motors are better performers then PPP or Inertia. I wouldn't know as I did not have their motors nor have I tried.

Each one of us raves about the particular product we may have put out our hard earn money and at times hard testing and when it exceeds our expectations and more.

Just IMO that it is good for ALL of US that we have more than one vendor willing to put out products for our vehicles specially in areas that we have a definite need.

[USCG Charger]

Well said James thanks bud!

[robsrt]

I have the complete SHR NAG1 with the upgraded valve body. I'm very happy with it. I received excellent customer service from Eddie and he never failed to answer his phone when I called.

Like Maistro said, the downshifts are firm. However, it did pass the wife test. My wife went for a ride in my car for the first time since doing the transmission last week. She didn't even comment on the downshifting. She just said "the car seems to shifting better." To me, it shifts the way a transmission should shift. I hated the sloppy shifts of the stock unit. It is not for everybody. Some people like not feeling the shifts. If that's the case, then this isn't an upgrade for you. The shifts are definitely not neck snapping, but they are crisp.

I hope this helps.

[Tdola]

Today, Builder Bill responded to my PM within 3 hours. Just thought I'd put that out there.

:beerchug:

[mrjoecool]

everybody knows that things happen between people
i have never personally delt with BB but i have asked him a few questions and he gave me answers in a timely manner. Now i have personally delt with Eddie and SHR great people and great service
i bought my sip from Eddie and put it in myself. Yes i had the part numbers of the MB solenoids
but i paid a little extra to SHR because of the help and service he has given me.
Would i ever deal with BB? IF he had a product i wanted and i thought it was the right price and get the right service then yes i woul deal with him only time will tell

[Maistro69]

^^^ That's a fair and honest post Tim. Sometimes people get hung up on price and completely forget about service until there is none.

[CaptainEbay]

I can tell you Bill wouldn't put anything out there that would be harmful ur our cars period.... I have his 1st custom 8.8 in my car and it was obvious he took the time and used his vast knowledge to fab this to work like it was stock in my R/T/



Do I think Bill is an "Expert" prolly more so then anyone else in this field we are talkin about. His history with chrysler's tranny's is very impressive and whom better to call an "expert" then him on these forums????? Maistro? Hummm can u be our saving grace on these tranny's? Doubt it:not_worth

In order of discussion,

1.yes USCG, except of course, those lovely one sided kevlar clutches, which were solely bb's idea and were definitely harmfully easy to smoke.

2. Those are big truck trannys, not NAG1s there.

3. Expert? I'd rather a guy who's cut his teeth on F14s and can actually take the things apart and put them back together, and has done so more times than probably anyone else on this forum, period. Bill might have "nice" ideas and know a lot about other people's work and even be responsive to forum member's requests, but he's no wrench, period, and nothing about his suddenly singular paramount tranny was novel, except that it was suddenly singularly paramount. The PMs, price wars and other behind the scenes blah blah are a dramatic departure from the hale-fellow-well-met pateral facade that's been carefully manufactured. Apparently, for some, it still works. :doh:



Wasn't this about valve bodies?

[GasGunR]

Ok, since everyone can't stop from bashing and just post their product opinions, I'm asking that this thread be closed.

For those of you that had something worthwhile to contribute to the thread's original intent thanks!

For those of you that couldn't do that and keep on topic without bashing, have a nice day:(

Don

[mrjoecool]

hey Don my suggestion would be to get on the phone and call BB and SHR talk to both and make your decision from there.

[GasGunR]

Thanks,

I've made a decision. Hopefully others have learned a little something from the thread.

Don

[Peter Parker]

Good read & info, thanks guys....:popcorn:

Now I'm IBTL... lockd.gif

[ekaz]

Don,
The thread topic was a good one and was hoping to get more info out of it as my tranny knowledge is lacking. Unfortunately it turned into a pi$$ing contest about who's d!ck is bigger. It wasn't even the vendors going after each other. In fact, I don't think either vendor had more than a couple of posts in here.
My thought would be that the vendor of said items would want to be the ones to explain what their particular product does.
Oh well.... IBTL

[Maistro69]

My guess is neither vendor knows exactly how it works but it does. I also don't belive anyone has figured out how to measure line pressure because there's no easy way to tap the line. I have tried to be respectful in my comments and have stated it is the same mod no matter where you get it. Its exact same part, part #, pretty blue color and everything. SHR is more expensive but that comes with service and tech support plus they have a buisness to run. If someone will state direct questions about what you want to know it would help tremendously as I'm having a hard time guessing what that is.

[richierevs]

My guess is neither vendor knows exactly how it works but it does. I also don't belive anyone has figured out how to measure line pressure because there's no easy way to tap the line. I have tried to be respectful in my comments and have stated it is the same mod no matter where you get it. Its exact same part, part #, pretty blue color and everything. SHR is more expensive but that comes with service and tech support plus they have a buisness to run. If someone will state direct questions about what you want to know it would help tremendously as I'm having a hard time guessing what that is.

^^^^I agree. As I've posted before the selenoids appear logically and physically the same Mercedes products. I believe the crux of the issue is that Mercedes is closed-lipped about their products. There has to be a product spec; otherwise, how could it produced. Hell, Mercedes doesn't take a crap without a spec!!!! Until the spec is releases we're just practicing grey matter masturbation (GM2).

Apologies in advance for offending anyone.

[stevesrt8]

no one ever likes competition when it's against them.

It's always this way, happens in every field.

There will be more tales like this as our tech is literally developed in the trenches.

For the record, I have a transaction with SHR, and they were just fine. No one who has met or checked his qualifications can say anything bad about Bill either.

And after 35 years in those exact same trenches, I know in my gut that you could swap one solenoid (upshift) without the downshift being altered. The computer has no way of knowing. One isolated failure tells us nothing.

[srt007]

My guess is neither vendor knows exactly how it works but it does. I also don't belive anyone has figured out how to measure line pressure because there's no easy way to tap the line. I have tried to be respectful in my comments and have stated it is the same mod no matter where you get it. Its exact same part, part #, pretty blue color and everything. SHR is more expensive but that comes with service and tech support plus they have a buisness to run. If someone will state direct questions about what you want to know it would help tremendously as I'm having a hard time guessing what that is.


i think i saw a thread around here in where builder bill talks about succesfully tapping the tranny to measure the pressure he also states hes trying a different approach on the valve bodies. i personally think that which ever vendor you decide to go with you get quality stuff and service as with most vendors on here.

[GasGunR]

There's no difference. Builder Bill is just being a azz hat trying to thwart any sales for SHR. It's a "cut my nose off to spite my face" type thing. They codeveloped the tranny upgrades together and then parted ways due to some disagreements. BB decided to pm SHR customers behind their back giving out info to (in theory) hurt SHR. :roll: Funny thing is it's actually steered buisiness SHR's way because people realize how underhanded it is. Very dissapointing to me as I had a lot of respect for BB and would've never guessed something like this. Live and learn.

No matter who you buy the valve body mod from it works and it works very well. :beerchug:

My guess is neither vendor knows exactly how it works but it does. I also don't belive anyone has figured out how to measure line pressure because there's no easy way to tap the line. I have tried to be respectful in my comments and have stated it is the same mod no matter where you get it. Its exact same part, part #, pretty blue color and everything. SHR is more expensive but that comes with service and tech support plus they have a buisness to run. If someone will state direct questions about what you want to know it would help tremendously as I'm having a hard time guessing what that is.

Ummm.. Yea, ok.

Don,
The thread topic was a good one and was hoping to get more info out of it as my tranny knowledge is lacking. Unfortunately it turned into a pi$$ing contest about who's d!ck is bigger. It wasn't even the vendors going after each other. In fact, I don't think either vendor had more than a couple of posts in here.
My thought would be that the vendor of said items would want to be the ones to explain what their particular product does.
Oh well.... IBTL

That's what I was hoping as well!

[Buckwheat]

I have read this topic for the last week thanks great information!! I will be calling SHR on monday to get my upgrade. I believe in service after the sale. I want a company to stand behind their product. I believe from what I have read in this thread SHR will perform. I will be posting with a update!!


Buckwheat

[SouthernHotrod]

Hello all,

Hopefully this will answer some of your questions.

The solenoids that we replace are the "Working & shift pressure" solenoids. This mod is a "Global" change. All up and down shifts are affected.

Working pressure is line pressure. This is the available system pressure. The shift pressure solenoid is responsible, in part, for the shift speed.

You will have to take my word on this. Changing one without the other, WILL NOT WORK!

As far as the drama between SHR and the construction guy, I do apologize. You can look at our posts, we try to ignore his crap but, sometimes we have to set the record straight.

For those who want to know what my qualifications are:

My mechanical carreer started March of 1990 in the US NAVY
US NAVY F-14 Powerplant mechanic (Honorable discharge in 1993)
Dodge dealer technician until 1997
Mercedes-Benz dealer technician from 1997-2003
ASE Master Technician (re-certified)
Mercedes-Benz Master Technician
Southern Hotrod, LLC 2004-present

Hope this helps...

As always, if you have any questions, just give us a call at the shop!

Thanks!

[FlyByU]

Never doubted your qualifications Eddie but still cool to see how you got where you are.

[SouthernHotrod]

Never doubted your qualifications Eddie but still cool to see how you got where you are.
Thanks Dan!

I sure hope that post did not come off the wrong way. Just wanted to let everyone know who they are dealing with.

[Trojan]

Ive got nothing against either Vendor, Id buy from either one, I made my decision based on a warranty. Paramount offered a 1yr race warranty and SHR did not offer any warranty. Although in SHR's defense they did verbally tell me the would take care of me. :mrgreen:

[Buckwheat]

I just returned from getting the SIP installed at SHR what a difference,The shifts are super crisp. Thanks Eddie, Billy and Robert great crew!!



Buckwheat

[mrjoecool]

Ive got nothing against either Vendor, Id buy from either one, I made my decision based on a warranty. Paramount offered a 1yr race warranty and SHR did not offer any warranty. Although in SHR's defense they did verbally tell me the would take care of me. :mrgreen:

Hey Chris I've never seen any race parts such as trannies with a 1 year warranty
was that the only reason you made that decision (just asking not giving you crap about it). I have found in my years of racing that the so called warranties that are implied
do not hold up expecially if there is a major malfunction. what i am saying is that if you have a problem i hope they honor their warranty.
p.s. great times on the ride
TIm:racing:

[Trojan]

Hey Chris I've never seen any race parts such as trannies with a 1 year warranty
was that the only reason you made that decision (just asking not giving you crap about it). I have found in my years of racing that the so called warranties that are implied
do not hold up expecially if there is a major malfunction. what i am saying is that if you have a problem i hope they honor their warranty.
p.s. great times on the ride
TIm:racing:


That was alot of the reason, I was told I could break it and it would be replaced, No ifs ands or but's. The other part was I asked several people whom I trust with our cars which route I should take. The responses where unanomous in Builder Bills favor. Im not gonna sugar cote it. You asked and thats the truth. but again I will say for the record.
Ive got nothing against SHR at all and they are 100% good people. Ive spoken with them a few times and they were nothing but nice to me. But when I got the full warranty I went with it. I wasnt gonna play the 2 against eachother trying to nickel and dime them for price matching, I gave them both the same oppurtunity to offer me there best deal. They both responded promtly and I made my choice. That simple.
These arent cheap and I dont wanna be doing R&D on anything I pay for.
The SHR deal was cheaper to me. But did not include the warranty.

[Buckwheat]

I have been racing for over ten years with major sponsorship. I have skins on the wall to offer companies plenty ink, press and plenty records . I have a question Trojan why would anyone want to give warranty on a race part? I run a Dynamic Transmission in my car (NMRA Super Street Outlaw Mustang) the very best money can buy he gives 0 warranty. Are you racing a major circuit if so what class? I have a Ronnie Crawford racing turbo motor 1800+hp NO WARRANTY. Marty Chance Racing Converters No Warranty! Ask builder bill if he will sponsor my race team with warranty. Nothing personal just Racing


Buckwheat

[GasGunR]

I guess if any of those suppliers thought you were worth the cost of a warranty, in exchange for the good p.r. and advertising you could bring to the table, and that was the deal, you'd get it.

Evidently though... you're not

Nothing personal, just common sense.

I have been racing for over ten years with major sponsorship. I have skins on the wall to offer companies plenty ink, press and plenty records . I have a question Trojan why would anyone want to give warranty on a race part? I run a Dynamic Transmission in my car (NMRA Super Street Outlaw Mustang) the very best money can buy he gives 0 warranty. Are you racing a major circuit if so what class? I have a Ronnie Crawford racing turbo motor 1800+hp NO WARRANTY. Marty Chance Racing Converters No Warranty! Ask builder bill if he will sponsor my race team with warranty. Nothing personal just Racing


Buckwheat

[mrjoecool]

Hey trojan thanks for answering the question ican understand your point
i dont know how long you have been racing but i would love to get parts like that with a warranty
like Buckwheat said we havenever had a warranty on any parts for racing.
yea i would like a sponsor like that also.
Hey buck you r racing at noproblem this saturday?

[Trojan]

Yo Buckwheat slow down there bud! Im just telling like it went down! The facts! No smoke and No mirrors! I was offered a warranty I took it. Id be a idiot not to. Is this common practice on race stuff Hell no! But it was offered to me and I took it, I believe you would do the same. These tranni's are still not fully tested. Yeah theres a few at the track but over time we will see. I got the warranty cuz I know things will progress, Better parts and mods to the trannis will be done after these are either broke or a known issue pops up. I got my ass covered plan and simple.

As for racing a pro circuit, Naw Bro! just little ol me and my Challenger with some sponsorship help and Im running with he big dogs! LoL!. Just goes to show that anyone here with the right game plan and some bucks along with some common sense can have there day in the sun to. You know this threads been sh!t on enough and all's I did was let the folks know how much Moroso has are backs. I posted in HHP's forum because everything I order goes thru Josh in 1 way or another. He takes care of me and I take care of him.

Anyway the Oil Pan is Bad ASS! Theres nothing anyone can say about it, and its in Moroso's catalog and the whole fricken world can buy one! :loser:


Oh and 1 last thing you all! I dont do pissing match's online, Not my style, Never have and dont want to start now. Not to mention what Don said, Like or not the Trojan HHP Challenger has been a great pr tool for alot of vendors, Next year the Camaro will have its day but right now its Challenger all day long and Im gonna run tell the hubcaps fall off!!

[Buckwheat]

Trojan I totally understand its all about the car and fun you are the Baddest Man with a Challenger:beerchug: I have been following your build since you started. I like ur Hot Rod ! I luv the south coast from La Jolla to La. I wish you all the luck and I will cu at the track. I will make sure to introduce myself. Keep chasing that 9 second pass and make the Lights Blink they never lie people do!



Buckwheat

[Maistro69]

Yo Buckwheat slow down there bud! Im just telling like it went down! The facts! No smoke and No mirrors! I was offered a warranty I took it. Id be a idiot not to. Is this common practice on race stuff Hell no! But it was offered to me and I took it, I believe you would do the same. These tranni's are still not fully tested. Yeah theres a few at the track but over time we will see. I got the warranty cuz I know things will progress, Better parts and mods to the trannis will be done after these are either broke or a known issue pops up. I got my ass covered plan and simple.

As for racing a pro circuit, Naw Bro! just little ol me and my Challenger with some sponsorship help and Im running with he big dogs! LoL!. Just goes to show that anyone here with the right game plan and some bucks along with some common sense can have there day in the sun to. You know this threads been sh!t on enough and all's I did was let the folks know how much Moroso has are backs. I posted in HHP's forum because everything I order goes thru Josh in 1 way or another. He takes care of me and I take care of him.

Anyway the Oil Pan is Bad ASS! Theres nothing anyone can say about it, and its in Moroso's catalog and the whole fricken world can buy one! :loser:


Oh and 1 last thing you all! I dont do pissing match's online, Not my style, Never have and dont want to start now. Not to mention what Don said, Like or not the Trojan HHP Challenger has been a great pr tool for alot of vendors, Next year the Camaro will have its day but right now its Challenger all day long and Im gonna run tell the hubcaps fall off!!

Ummm what do Moroso and HHP have to do with this thread? LOL somebody smoking some good s@@t.

[Trojan]

Trojan I totally understand its all about the car and fun you are the Baddest Man with a Challenger:beerchug: I have been following your build since you started. I like ur Hot Rod ! I luv the south coast from La Jolla to La. I wish you all the luck and I will cu at the track. I will make sure to introduce myself. Keep chasing that 9 second pass and make the Lights Blink they never lie people do!



Buckwheat

Thank you Sir!

Yo Buckwheat slow down there bud! Im just telling like it went down! The facts! No smoke and No mirrors! I was offered a warranty I took it. Id be a idiot not to. Is this common practice on race stuff Hell no! But it was offered to me and I took it, I believe you would do the same. These tranni's are still not fully tested. Yeah theres a few at the track but over time we will see. I got the warranty cuz I know things will progress, Better parts and mods to the trannis will be done after these are either broke or a known issue pops up. I got my ass covered plan and simple.

As for racing a pro circuit, Naw Bro! just little ol me and my Challenger with some sponsorship help and Im running with he big dogs! LoL!. Just goes to show that anyone here with the right game plan and some bucks along with some common sense can have there day in the sun to. You know this threads been sh!t on enough and all's I did was let the folks know how much Moroso has are backs. I posted in HHP's forum because everything I order goes thru Josh in 1 way or another. He takes care of me and I take care of him.

Anyway the Oil Pan is Bad ASS! Theres nothing anyone can say about it, and its in Moroso's catalog and the whole fricken world can buy one! :loser:


Oh and 1 last thing you all! I dont do pissing match's online, Not my style, Never have and dont want to start now. Not to mention what Don said, Like or not the Trojan HHP Challenger has been a great pr tool for alot of vendors, Next year the Camaro will have its day but right now its Challenger all day long and Im gonna run tell the hubcaps fall off!!

Hey trojan thanks for answering the question ican understand your point
i dont know how long you have been racing but i would love to get parts like that with a warranty
like Buckwheat said we havenever had a warranty on any parts for racing.
yea i would like a sponsor like that also.
Hey buck you r racing at noproblem this saturday?

No worries glad to help!

Ummm what do Moroso and HHP have to do with this thread? LOL somebody smoking some good s@@t.

Not sure either! But yeah real good smoke dude!!

[BAMF]

So, going back to a question from the beginning of this thread... How useful would an aftermarket TCM be in conjunction with the VB mod? I installed the solenoids I got through SHR and I love the shifts, up and down, but my main concern remains protecting my otherwise stock transmission as much as possible. Forget daily drive-ability. I just care about prolonging transmission life. After the VB mod and big tranny cooler additions, is an aftermarket TCM going to add any significant means of protection?

Also, is there anyone out there who's blown a transmission after the solenoid swap, either on their own or in R&D? <<<<< SHR, help?

[dudeiwin86]

So, going back to a question from the beginning of this thread... How useful would an aftermarket TCM be in conjunction with the VB mod? I installed the solenoids I got through SHR and I love the shifts, up and down, but my main concern remains protecting my otherwise stock transmission as much as possible. Forget daily drive-ability. I just care about prolonging transmission life. After the VB mod and big tranny cooler additions, is an aftermarket TCM going to add any significant means of protection?

Also, is there anyone out there who's blown a transmission after the solenoid swap, either on their own or in R&D? <<<<< SHR, help?

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS
there are so few people with the VB mod.
some are running 1000 dollar TCMs to match up with them, some are running the crazy nag one trannys

for me and you and most people who want firmer shifts ?
very few if any have actually used the MTCM with the VB.
time will tell

[BAMF]

NO ONE REALLY KNOWS
there are so few people with the VB mod.
some are running 1000 dollar TCMs to match up with them, some are running the crazy nag one trannys

for me and you and most people who want firmer shifts ?
very few if any have actually used the MTCM with the VB.
time will tell

I guess I was hoping more for an opinion, the theory on protecting the trans, and less for the fact that, yeah... no one really knows. Thanks though for keeping things in perspective, dude.

In theory, does modifying the TCM do anything significant for protection other than firming up the shifts?

[dudeiwin86]

I guess I was hoping more for an opinion, the theory on protecting the trans, and less for the fact that, yeah... no one really knows. Thanks though for keeping things in perspective, dude.

In theory, does modifying the TCM do anything significant for protection other than firming up the shifts?

aside from a by product of the firmer shifts being that there is less slip and slop in the gears (thus better life)
but you already know this.

i dont know if it really does anything more

[BAMF]

I wonder if the placebo effect works for transmissions.

[dudeiwin86]

I wonder if the placebo effect works for transmissions.

placebo is different from "self fulfilling prophecy" ;)
look that one up lol.

i swap my MTCM between my StockTCM every track day and i drive the MTCM on the street once in a while.

shifting and tranny behavior is significantly different.

[BAMF]

placebo is different from "self fulfilling prophecy" ;)


Great, another problem to worry about. As if my trans wasn't under enough stress.

[MadCharger]

I'm running the Mopar TCM with the Paramount valve body. Very nice combination! The shifts are quick and firm - not necessarily "hard". Extremely noticeable difference, especially in the 1-2 shift, where I now have not only the chirp that had been long gone since the 2nd Diablo update, but an all out roasting of the tires on the shift. And I can only speak for Bill, since I've never dealt with SHR - but you couldn't ask for better service.

[dudeiwin86]

I'm running the Mopar TCM with the Paramount valve body. Very nice combination! The shifts are quick and firm - not necessarily "hard". Extremely noticeable difference, especially in the 1-2 shift, where I now have not only the chirp that had been long gone since the 2nd Diablo update, but an all out roasting of the tires on the shift. And I can only speak for Bill, since I've never dealt with SHR - but you couldn't ask for better service.

youre roasting into second.
for a minute i didnt think i needed this mod.
that opinion just changed.

[MadCharger]

The new fun factor alone is well worth it for me. I'll see if it equates to some better track times too. I can see it shaving at least a tenth off my times with the difference in shifting (assuming my DR's don't roast second)

[USCG Charger]

i will have mine installed along with my mtcm shortly

[MadCharger]

i will have mine installed along with my mtcm shortly

You're gonna love it! And I'm sure yours will be set up a bit more radically than mine too.....

[Boggus]

I have the MTCM and will have the BB VB installed tomorrow.

[USCG Charger]

You're gonna love it! And I'm sure yours will be set up a bit more radically than mine too.....

i'll just let Bill work his majic...

I have the MTCM and will have the BB VB installed tomorrow.


please tell us how it went aSAP

[dudeiwin86]

You're gonna love it! And I'm sure yours will be set up a bit more radically than mine too.....

theres different ways to set up the vb?

[MadCharger]

theres different ways to set up the vb?

Yes. Bill sets each one up specific to the vehicle it's going in. Normally they're part of his entire tranny upgrade though. I think these latest ones are for the stock trannies like mine, and probably tuned down a bit (which is hard to believe)
:racing:

[BAMF]

I have the MTCM and will have the BB VB installed tomorrow.

please tell us how it went aSAP

x2. Anything yet?

[Boggus]

Have not had a chance to beat on it. Dealer overfilled the tranny when he replaced the VB. Took it back the next morning to get that fixed, then big ole storm decided to move in the area as I was enroute to pick my car up. Poured on me all the way home and has not let up yet.

When I did drive it overfilled, it was a nice (as I describe it) positive shift, clean and crisp, keeping the foward momentum of the vehicle, not taking a step back.

So, in my limited drive time, I say it is well worth the money spent. This upgrade along with the MTCM makes the car shift precise and positive. Big difference when driving a stocker setup. I did not do anything that radical due to having kids and this being my daily driver - the reason I stayed away from the solenoids.

Will post more as I drive more if the weather ever clears up.

As for the install, piece of cake. Remove the tranny mount under the car, drop the pan and remove 10 additional bolts to take the VB out. Replace with new VB and reinstall the pan using a new gasket and filter. Fill the tranny back to the proper levels and you are done. (The last step was hard I suppose, as mine was about a quart over filled)

[BuilderBill]

Yes. Bill sets each one up specific to the vehicle it's going in. Normally they're part of his entire tranny upgrade though. I think these latest ones are for the stock trannies like mine, and probably tuned down a bit (which is hard to believe)
:racing:

Exactly correct....
I do modify them per owner request and associated mods.
Bill

[dudeiwin86]

i thought whole valve body thing was just replacing solenoids?

so swapping the valve body is different than doing the soilenoid swap?

[Boggus]

From my limited knowledge .... The solenoids are in the valve body. So when ordering just the solenoids you need to pull the valve body and replace the noids. BB sends you the entire VB with the mods already done. Just R/R VB's and you are done.

Now also, BB does not use the blue solenoids from what I can see as SHR does. So it is not apples to apples here ... rather different ways to accomplish roughly the same thing.

[dudeiwin86]

word!

[Maistro69]

From my limited knowledge .... The solenoids are in the valve body. So when ordering just the solenoids you need to pull the valve body and replace the noids. BB sends you the entire VB with the mods already done. Just R/R VB's and you are done.

Now also, BB does not use the blue solenoids from what I can see as SHR does. So it is not apples to apples here ... rather different ways to accomplish roughly the same thing.

That word means a lot. However if this is true then it's a great achievement for the LX community as a whole. Do you know anybody that has the VB mod that you can compare results too? Comparing emotional response behind the keyboard is a bit limited as people respond differently, but if you know someone with the solenoid mod that will let you drive or ride with them, then it would be a true comaprison. The solenoids work great but they're not perfect. (nothing really is in the mod world):racing:

[Boggus]

BB offers different setups depending on your taste of shifting. Mine is a daily driver so whiplash was not a thing I was looking for. I hear the solenoid swap offers neck snapping ups and downs all the time. So I suppose the neck snapping shift from BB and his VB swap would be comparable to the soleonid swap...

But you are correct, without another vehicle to drive or ride in - makes it most difficult to compare.

[robsrt]

BB offers different setups depending on your taste of shifting. Mine is a daily driver so whiplash was not a thing I was looking for. I hear the solenoid swap offers neck snapping ups and downs all the time. So I suppose the neck snapping shift from BB and his VB swap would be comparable to the soleonid swap...

But you are correct, without another vehicle to drive or ride in - makes it most difficult to compare.

I have the solenoid swap and I wouldn't consider is neck snapping. Of course, every ones idea of neck snapping is different. I agree, that under ideal situations it would be best to ride in another vehicle that has this done. Under light acceleration, I don't notice much of difference in the shifts. However, anything over 1/2 throttle the shifts are definitely crisp.

[BAMF]

I agree that the solenoid swap doesn't result in anything close to "neckbraking" shifts. They are certainly firm, the downshifts more than the upshifts under lighter loads, but if you're driving the car hard enough to get a hard shift...

Some wives or other passengers might not like the firmer shifting, but I think most would appreciate it as part of riding in a muscle car. As others have said, this is how an automatic transmission is supposed to shift.

[FlyByU]

I agree, SHR shift improver makes the car shift like it was supposed to :)

[dudeiwin86]

I agree, SHR shift improver makes the car shift like it was supposed to :)

dont say that!!!!!!!!!

if theres one thing ive always said about the pred its "it makes it drive like the car should have off the lot"

and now im hearing this about the shift kit.

might have to give eddie a ring here after i finish up round 1 of my cars revamp ;)

[HEMISFEAR]

I have a new Paramount Valve Body on order to add to my RDP tuned TCM and 2800 Pro Torque. I'll also be adding a trans cooler so I'll update this thread with my opinion once the VB arrives (2-3 weeks out) and is installed.

[Konvict]

After 8 pages of mainly vendor bashing..i'm kind of confused. Can i get a few things confirmed please.

1/ The Mopar TCM is used in Conjunction with Predator? (they both dont do the same thing)

2/ TCM/Predator/Valve Body working together will sharpen up the shifts..making them a lot firmer up and down? Will the Gearbox last longer due to less slippage with the above mods?

3/ Valve Body Mod replaces the Solenoids as well?..or will they also need to be changed?

Thanks

[MadCharger]

In Red......

After 8 pages of mainly vendor bashing..i'm kind of confused. Can i get a few things confirmed please.

1/ The Mopar TCM is used in Conjunction with Predator? (they both dont do the same thing) Yes, although you need to be careful with what you do with the Predator when loading tunes.

2/ TCM/Predator/Valve Body working together will sharpen up the shifts..making them a lot firmer up and down? Will the Gearbox last longer due to less slippage with the above mods? Yes - although the valve body on it's own will do that too. The MPTCM will help with lock up.

3/ Valve Body Mod replaces the Solenoids as well?..or will they also need to be changed? The valve body comes with everything you need (Paramount anyway).

Thanks

[Konvict]

Thanks... much appreciated!

[Tdola]

...Valve Body Mod replaces the Solenoids as well?..or will they also need to be changed? The valve body comes with everything you need (Paramount anyway)....

No one seems to answer this question......What specifically is included in "Everything You Need"? Is the valve body separate from the solenoids? Is the valve body a fancy name for Solenoids? Is this proprietary information? I'm just curious...not looking for an arguement. Thanks. :) :beerchug:

[MadCharger]

...Valve Body Mod replaces the Solenoids as well?..or will they also need to be changed? The valve body comes with everything you need (Paramount anyway)....

No one seems to answer this question......What specifically is included in "Everything You Need"? Is the valve body separate from the solenoids? Is the valve body a fancy name for Solenoids? Is this proprietary information? I'm just curious...not looking for an arguement. Thanks. :) :beerchug:

The solenoids are part of the valve body. The valve body is a cast aluminum piece with the electronics and shifter linkage assembled to it. The solenoids are also part of it. Builder Bill explained what he modifies somewhere out here - but it's not the same as the solenoid swap.

[Tdola]

No one seems to answer this question......What specifically is included in "Everything You Need"? Is the valve body separate from the solenoids? Is the valve body a fancy name for Solenoids? Is this proprietary information? I'm just curious...not looking for an arguement. Thanks. :) :beerchug:

The solenoids are part of the valve body. The valve body is a cast aluminum piece with the electronics and shifter linkage assembled to it. The solenoids are also part of it. Builder Bill explained what he modifies somewhere out here - but it's not the same as the solenoid swap.[/QUOTE]

Okeedokee. Thanks for the explanation. The tranny stuff confuses me. :beerchug:

[MadCharger]

Okeedokee. Thanks for the explanation. The tranny stuff confuses me. :beerchug:

Me too. I first tried to swap the solenoids. I broke the connection wires when removing the valve body, so BB graciously offered to swap the solenoids for one of his valve bodies. Glad I did - it works very nicely :)

[Tdola]

Me too. I first tried to swap the solenoids. I broke the connection wires when removing the valve body, so BB graciously offered to swap the solenoids for one of his valve bodies. Glad I did - it works very nicely :)

So, if I already have the Blue Top Solenoids, is it worth getting the valve body and installing it with my solenoids? What would that do for me? Does Builder Bill even offer a valve body by it self? Are the two compatible?

[GasGunR]

BB has an option of replacing just the valve body with a modified one. That option does NOT include solenoids. Just ask Bill when you are ordering. The whole thing is pretty straightforward.

Don

[Tdola]

BB has an option of replacing just the valve body with a modified one. That option does NOT include solenoids. Just ask Bill when you are ordering. The whole thing is pretty straightforward.

Don

See my last post for my question of What will that.....getting BB's Valve Body only....do for me then? How will it react with the solenoids?..Thanks.

[JimIsland-SRT8]

I have a new Paramount Valve Body on order to add to my RDP tuned TCM and 2800 Pro Torque. I'll also be adding a trans cooler so I'll update this thread with my opinion once the VB arrives (2-3 weeks out) and is installed.

Uh oh!! I see 11s coming. :wink:

[MadCharger]

I think it's one or the other. You shouldn't do both. Bill's VB is softer on the downshifts than the blue top solenoids. When I had them in my car, it slammed into gear pretty hard. The VB slides softly into gear just like stock - but still shifts nice and firm.

[Tdola]

I think it's one or the other. You shouldn't do both. Bill's VB is softer on the downshifts than the blue top solenoids. When I had them in my car, it slammed into gear pretty hard. The VB slides softly into gear just like stock - but still shifts nice and firm.

I have them installed on my car and it doesn't really bother me as I don't think it slams hard at all. "Different strokes for different folks" I guess it's just a difference of opinion. Oh well. Does this harder/firmer shifting result in better quarter mile times? Has anyone documented any hard numbers...better by how many tenths? This is for Dan (FlyByU).....Will my Dyno times be better? Lol!

[GasGunR]

Contact BB, we shouldn't all be answering these questions for Bill... talk to the guy who is selling the mods so nothing is lost in the translation.

Don

[MadCharger]

I have them installed on my car and it doesn't really bother me as I don't think it slams hard at all. "Different strokes for different folks" I guess it's just a difference of opinion. Oh well. Does this harder/firmer shifting result in better quarter mile times? Has anyone documented any hard numbers...better by how many tenths? This is for Dan (FlyByU).....Will my Dyno times be better? Lol!

I went from a best of 12.5x @ 112 to 12.2x @ 116 with just the Builder Bill VB and a ported manifold from Inertia being the only changes. How much is due to each I don't know - however I definitely feel the VB has to be worth .15-.2 on it's own, just with how quickly it hits the next gear without delay.

Has Dan been racing Mustangs again (dynos that is)?? :)

[Tdola]

I went from a best of 12.5x @ 112 to 12.2x @ 116 with just the Builder Bill VB and a ported manifold from Inertia being the only changes. How much is due to each I don't know - however I definitely feel the VB has to be worth .15-.2 on it's own, just with how quickly it hits the next gear without delay.

Has Dan been racing Mustangs again (dynos that is)?? :)

No, it's me...I hardly drive my car and I've added every mod under the sun. The few times he's seen me drive my car have been to the Dyno. I have around 4000 miles on it. I bought it new in the beginning of May 2006. Lol